Sid: I’m so excited Mishpocha because I’ve got finally after almost a year a copy of my latest book “The Last Lap” subtitled “The Emergence of the One New Man.” A lot of people wonder where I got the subtitle the One New Man. Well you don’t have to wonder anymore it’s in the atmosphere, it’s happening, people are talking about this having nothing to do with my book, nothing to do with my teaching. They’re talking about it all over the world. I believe it’s a foretaste of the greatest move of God’s Spirit in history.

Everyone is looking about the problems that are going on in the United States and in the world. Because we’re in a time in which nothing will ever be the same, but we’re in a time in God in which nothing will ever be the same. We’re going to see the greatest revival, the greatest outpouring of God’s Spirit in history.

Well Ephesians chapter 2 verse 14 – 16 explains the One New Man. It’s been a long time coming I’m sure when Paul wrote to the Ephesians he had no idea it would take so long. It says in the 2^nd chapter the 14^th verse “For He Himself is our peace who has made both one.” Who’s both? The Jew and the Gentile, “has made both Jew and Gentile one and has broken down the middle wall of separation.” So why did Yeshua, that’s Hebrew for Jesus, come? To break down a separation between Jews and Gentiles and this is how He did it in the 15^th verse, “Having abolished in His flesh enmity that is the law of commandments contained in ordinances so as to create in Himself one new man,” that’s the One New Man. Create in who? Himself. Who’s Himself? Yeshua. “To create in Himself one new man from the two thus making peace.” Do you know what the Hebrew word for peace is? Shalom. “Thus making completeness.” That’s why Messiah came He came to establish Mishpocha, He came to establish family to make Jews and Gentiles One New Man. The Jew needs the Gentile, the Gentile needs the Jew otherwise no shalom. What is shalom? Completeness, there’ll only be completeness when the spiritual eyes come off of Jewish people and they’re grafted back into the church.

16^th verse, “That He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross thereby putting to death the enmity,” and the word enmity means a positive hatred. See at the time Paul wrote this there was a hatred between Jews and Christians. The Messiah came to break this wall of separation down just as He came to… you know the curtain between the Holy Place and the Most Holy Place when Yeshua died the veil was rent in two. He wants to rent that in two so there can be intimacy with God. There’s a connection between Jewish people being grafted into the church, and intimacy with God. There’s a connection with the spiritual scales coming off of the eyes of the Jewish people and the connection the intimacy with God.

It says in Ephesians in the 2^nd chapter the 14^th verse “That Messiah came to break down this wall of separation.” Well there was a big wall of separation back then. There was no way a Gentile was going to fellowship with a Jew and Jew was going fellowship with a Gentile. It would take a great miracle and a great miracle occurred and the wall of separation was broken down, but today we have even a greater wall of separation. I mean a Jewish person looks at a Christian and says “I don’t see anything Jewish in your religion. As a matter of fact, I like mine better than yours.” A Gentile Christian looks at a Jew and says “I don’t see anything Christian about your religion. As a matter of fact, I like my religion better than yours.” There’s a bigger wall of separation today than there was 2000 years ago. That’s what Jesus came for.

Now to really understand the Jewish connection you have to turn to the book of Romans the 11^th chapter. I’m going to read some selected passages from the 11^th chapter. Paul says “I say then has God cast away His people? Certainly not.” Another translation says “Oh God forbid,” and then he says, 7^th verse, “What then Israel has not obtained what it seeks but the elect have obtained it and the rest were blinded.”  11^th verse “I say then, have they (the Jewish people) stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not but through their fall to provoke them to jealousy salvation has come to the Gentile.”

So first God says the Gentile has had a revelation of the Messiah, has had their sins washed away, has been grafted in to the Jewish olive tree for a purpose. What is the purpose? Many Christians are running up to prophets and saying “Tell me what my purpose is.” God is saying to you right now, why would you go to a flaky prophet when you won’t even follow what My word says? Romans 11:11 says “But through their fall to provoke the Jewish people to jealousy salvation has come to the Gentile.” So if you’re non-Jewish and you’re a believer in Jesus and you say “What is my call?” God is saying in Romans 11:11 “Salvation has come to the Gentile to provoke the Jewish people to jealousy.” Now here’s the reason why, and maybe you never understood it. You know we don’t even have to understand it if God say to do it we’ve got to do it, but there’s a reason and God gives a reason in the 12^th verse of Romans 11. “Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentile, how much more their fullness?” Was it a rich blessing that you came to know the Messiah coming from a non-Jewish background? Of course it was, but it says there’s something even greater coming to the church with their fullness.

The 15^th verse, “For if they’re being cast away (and catch this now), for if the Jewish people being cast away is the reconciling of the world.” (Laughing) And it was now that Gentiles could be saved, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? What happens when a dead person comes to life, the resurrected? Do you realize what kind of power it takes for resurrection? The same spirit that rose Messiah Yeshua from the dead is living with us. There will be release, this is what God’s word is saying, there will be a release of resurrection power, life from the dead power. The power of God that we read about in the Bible, the power of God that we dream about, the power of God we believe, but the power of God we haven’t seen.

Well the word of God says when that wall of separation comes down, When Gentiles start fulfilling their God ordained destiny of provoking Jewish people to jealousy. If it was a rich blessing that the Jewish people rejected their Messiah, how much greater blessing when they receive their Messiah because it will cause a miracle to occur. See why the devil is trying so hard in the supernatural realm to separate, put up a wall of separation between Jews and Gentiles. But Messiah came yeah the set time, the set time to favor Zion has come. This is God’s set time. Just as the secular commentators are saying nothing will ever be the same again. In the spirit nothing will ever be the same again because I can tell you based on the prophetic word of God, based on what’s going on in current events we are in the set time to favor Zion. Before judgment comes there’s always a warning but can you see why the stakes are so high? Because there will be such a release of the supernatural power of God for evangelism, and I’ll be speaking on that tomorrow, such a release.

You can go to most churches, let’s face it we’ve become so religious. I mean we’re just like the game of telephone. Did you ever play it as a kid? One person whispers to another person who whispers to another the 3^rd, and the 4^th, and the 5^th by the time it comes to the 6^th person it’s so different than what the first statement of fact was it’s just over time.

That’s called (singing) tradition, we Jewish people have a lot of it then I became a believer in the Messiah and got into the church and I found that we have something called (singing) tradition. It’s a people problem and this (singing) tradition gets in the way, in the way of the power of the living God.

But we’re at a set time to favor Zion, we’re at a time that we’re going to see life from the dead resurrection power enter the church. There is a battle going on but the battle is not ours. God says “Stand still and watch the salvation of God.” I believe this is the set time for my latest book “The Last Lap,” subtitled “The Emergence of the One New Man.” This is the set time, I mean God says that we’re to pray that His will to be done on earth as it is in heaven. I believe that this book is His will.

Are you feeling a little bored, that’s the word, bored with normal religious Christianity? Have you felt inside there’s got to be something more? Have you wondered why there’s so few miracles going on in churches in the United States? Have you had questions about how Christianity has deviated from Biblical patterns? Have you wondered about the Shabbat, that’s Hebrew for Sabbath? Is it Saturday, is it Sunday? How has it changed? Does it have anything to do with salvation? Does have anything to do with righteousness? Have you wondered why Jews distrust Christians? You’re probably not aware of something called the “Rabbinic Conspiracy.”

Many Christians are confused on who is Israel. You wonder what the glorious church, I mean the book of Ephesians talks about a church so filled with the glory of God. What this glorious church is going to look like? What about Messianic Judaism? What about Gentile Christianity what is their future? What is going to be the catalyst to release the greatest and last revival on planet earth?

Sid: I have on the telephone a member of the First Nations. He is from the Mohawk Tribe the Tyendinaga Territory of Ontario, Canada. Jonathan Maracle I was talking on yesterday’s broadcast on February 1999 there was a transfer of anointing from your dad to yourself. Your father walked in a tremendous miracle anointing. And I don’t know all of this anointing includes but I do know that when you speak people begin weeping. Why is that?

Jonathan:  I believe that would be the passion that God has given me to see lives healed and changed. Some of the greatest healings that we’ve seen has been people who have been restored, self-respect and dignity and recognizing that God loves them who they are.

Sid: In 1999 you went to Israel but you didn’t just go to Israel you went with your full regalia of your ancestors dress and describe what you looked like?

Jonathan: Well I have 3 feathers on the top of my head that are eagle feathers.  I have on a piece called a Kostowa and it’s kind of like the headpiece that you would wear as an ambassador or somebody going to represent the Mohawk people. I had all buckskin or deerskin clothing that were traditional to my people.

Sid: Why did you go to Israel?

Jonathan: I went to Israel because I wanted to get connected to God’s people to the chosen ones, you know the chosen of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Because I serve the same God they serve I wanted to go and honor them and to love them.

Sid: But you had no idea, at least I assume you had no idea, that when you went there in your full regalia the Rabbis told you about a prophetic word 21 years ago.  Tell me about that.

Jonathan: Yeah it was a prophetic word actually it was one of the guys that was with our team his name is Richard Nunez. And Richard has been really a student or a lover of the Jewish people for a long long time. He went… we were at the wall and he went to the some of the Rabbi’s and he began to ask them “You know if it was okay for us to come in our regalia and to pray at the wall because our regalia the word regalia means royal robes. And when we wear regalia it’s because we’re coming with a heart of respect and dignity and honor.  So as we asked could we come to the wall in our royal robes so to speak, and the Rabbis’ welcomed us to come. So they told us that there was at the time 1999 there was a prophesy that they said that came out in 18 years before had been spoken that when First Nations people come to the wall in their regalia it was going to be a sign of the end times. When we came to the wall I mean it was amazing just 100’s of Jewish people came around us and began to ask us “What are you doing? Why are you here?” And we began to share our hearts with them that we were there to bless and to honor the Jewish people and to honor the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. It was absolutely an incredible incredible time. From that we were asked and we were welcomed to go to the Knesset and we went before Avraham Burg. Protocol among First Nations People is one of the most important things and protocol to our people is giving. Whenever we go to another man’s place or another man’s territory we always carry with us gifts, we always carry gifts to honor. And they aren’t just like token gifts but they’re something special to us. And Israel as we went there and we were before Avraham Burg it was all of the people, all of our First Nations people were showering him with gifts, I mean he received eagle headdresses, he received pottery, and beautiful basket work, and bead work, and regalia, and just a whole bunch of things. And I took off my Kastowa, which is my headpiece of my people, and the Kastowa had the basic frame of my father’s Kastowa on it. And my father had always been a lover and always been one who prayed for the peace of Jerusalem. And his desire was to go to Jerusalem but he died before he could get a chance to go to Israel. And I had the privilege and the honor of carrying his Kastowa and giving it to the Chairman of the House of Israel.  So I had the chance to do that and he accepted it and we sang before them. We were they called us Warrior of Peace in the Jerusalem Post and in CNN they said there was First Nations People.  And he said “You keep referring to yourselves as warriors and he said “When I think of warriors,” he says “I think of people with guns doing battle.” But when I look at you he said it means Warriors of Peace.”  And so this was his declaration over us that we were “Warriors of Peace.” And while we were in Israel we had some other very interesting things happen. We had one of the Generals of the Israeli Defense Forces contact us and asked us if we would sing on our drum for the Defense Forces across the radio network of all of the defense forces outposts all across you know whether it was Lebanon, or Jordan, or Israel, or wherever they were. And we sang right in their Renaissance Jerusalem Hotel we set up our drum and we sang over the radio to all of the Israeli Defense Outposts everywhere.

Sid: Jon off of your CD “Rise Up Mighty Warrior.” This is what the Israeli Defense Forces might have heard.

Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah he’s a Prophet his name is Bob Griffin. I’ve caught up with him in Charlotte, North Carolina where he’s speaking at a church there and this broadcast is being done on April 10^th the day before April 9^th Bob Griffin had a revelation from God that the world will never be the same. What did God show you?

Bob: Well it actually it literally began Sid probably about 8 weeks ago and the Lord began to during the time of the prophetic word a date came out and you know we’ve seen so many people that have given dates about different things and the one thing that we don’t want to do is we don’t want to cause people to stumble, but we do have to lean to His understanding when He’s beginning to speak something out and so…

Sid: You know even before you tell us what God showed you God has used you with specific dates with people in the past give me one example.

Bob:  Well here’s an example and this is a fresh one so it’s a testimony that’s on the tip of my tongue.  I received a phone call a few days and somewhere around 6 or 7 weeks ago I came into a meeting I began prophesying to an individual and it was a very lengthy prophecy probably close to 15 minute long specific word.  Which a lot of people at times will wonder why doesn’t the Lord speak to me that way but God chose to speak to this man in length.  During that specific word I gave him a date and I said “On March 13^th your life will begin to take a new turn, it will begin to change God’s going to open up several doors of effectual ministry that are going to change your life and it’s what you’ve been believing God for” and I gave him some other details. Well that was about the end of it he came up afterwards and said “Boy you have no idea what you ministered to me.” And I hear that every single night because the accuracy is there and the fruit is there. And suddenly I get a phone call from him and he said “Do you remember prophesying to me about March 13^th, and I said “Yes.” And he said “Could I give you a testimony?” And I said “Sure.” So he just called me up and this is fresh and he just said “He said I’m endeavoring to be a film maker in Hollywood and he said “I’m endeavoring to write scripts and he said on the morning of March 13^th the Holy Spirit woke me up and there was a heavy anointing on me and he said “I sat down and I wrote an entire script for a Hollywood production and I wrote it all in one day.” He said “I’d been dreaming about this for nearly 20 years and he said “I’ve never had the anointing to do it but I woke up that morning and he said it just blossomed.”  That afternoon I receive a phone call from a producer in Hollywood with a production company, that I won’t mention but very major production company, and they called him up and said “We’ve heard that you’re endeavoring to do some work and do you have any scripts that you can show us?” And he said “As a matter of fact I do.” That was the end of it until just a few days ago he called me again and he said “I’m meeting with this Hollywood production company who is also meeting Paul Crouch and we’re endeavoring to do some stuff together. So as we begin to do these things together would you please be holding me up in prayer?”  Now I gave him a specific date of March 13 his life is radically turned. He had mentioned he had no intention of traveling anywhere for 6 months until he gets the call from a Hollywood producer that said “Get on the plane I want to meet you in Las Vegas.” He’s actually there on this very day the day that we’re speaking he’s there right now.

Sid: Now I’m going to take you back a few weeks ago and you bumped into the producer of my television show Janie DuVall and in the midst of conversation you said to her that “There would be a dramatic change of some sort in the ministry of Messianic Vision or my ministry on April 9^th.”  And then the Lord started expanding what would happen on April 9^th.

Bob: Yes.

Sid: Take it from there.

Bob: It was actually very special when I began ministering to her out of my spirit this date came forward and I’m sometimes hesitant you know we don’t realize what we’re saying when we’re under the anointing and we’re foretelling and were spilling out. When that day came out I really didn’t know what it was but I had time to go on and reflect and say “Okay Lord, what is about to change?” And what happened is I had a supernatural dream, I have dreams and I know that they are supernatural dreams that you know come from the Spirit of the Lord. Here’s what began to take place, I had a dream that I almost throughout I thought “This might be junk mail I thought that I would just throw it out.”  And it wouldn’t go away and I woke up one morning I dreamed that I was walking along side of a building and I was heading from a westerly direction to the east.  All of a sudden I looked and I was with 4 other people whose faces I didn’t know and I was walking along and suddenly I was taken out of myself, carried up to a high mountain and I was looking down at myself walking with these 4 people.  Suddenly the whole group of 5 made a left hand turn around the building and there was a river coming out from beneath this building and a bridge.  And the 5 of us began to cross over and as we began to cross over we turned and knocked on a door and the door opened. And when the door opened a woman was standing inside and we made another left hand turn and when we made this other left hand turn all of a sudden these 5 women were in there preparing for a great big meeting.  And they did something very unusual and I’ll try to hurry this up but they began to dance and one of them said “All we want to do is see Him and she motioned to the heavens and pointed to her eyes and she said all we want to do is hear Him, and all we want to do is feel Him in this place.” Suddenly she said “Get ready, get ready and suddenly the whole building began to shake, the floor was shaking and vibrating the floor, everything was just moving with this sound and it was an Israeli Jewish sound that was coming into this building. Suddenly she said “There must be one here, there must be one here” and I turned around to see what they were pointing at and she said “Are you Jewish?” And she said “Yes, she said “This sound is coming for you.” And I suddenly realized in this dream that I thought I was going to a meeting that was going to last 10 minutes or so and then it was going to be over but suddenly this sound was happening and it was something very pivotal.  Well when I was coming through the doorway the woman standing there at the door said “18, 19, 20, 21.” And I thought “What is that?”  I woke up from the dream and I started to throw it away and the Lord said “I want you to take a look at this.” And I began to realize that the Lord was speaking to me about the 5 fold ministry, there were 5 of us we were walking from the west which represents grace, the east which represents the law and God was having us turn around in the 5 fold ministry and look at once more towards the east towards Jerusalem.  Suddenly we made a left hand turn we crossed over a river. I began to study Ezekiel the water that comes out from underneath the temple it flows from the west to the east I began to crossover the bridge.  As we’re crossing over the Lord saying the 5 fold ministry is beginning to cross over the church is going to begin to make a major turn. The Spirit of the Lord is saying right now as we begin to make this major turn the church is going to begin to turn their eyes once more towards Jerusalem and suddenly we knocked on the door when the door opened up all of a sudden realized that something was happening.  I woke up from the dream and I began to count as I began to count we made three left hand turns, we made three right hand turns, we made a left hand turn and all of a sudden I realized that cadence was happening your left, your left, your left right left, it was a countdown three lefts, two rights a left. Three to one this is a countdown for the church for the church to turn back towards Israel. And this is shift that we’re talking about on the April 9 I believe that God is saying look again. And its no coincidence that at this time Colin Powell is visiting getting ready to form an alliance that will come in and help Israel. I believe that the Lord is saying that even as a nation we’re to turn and look. Even as the church were to turn and look and the Lord is telling us to embrace Him for the storm. God spoke to me yesterday and He said “I want my people to embrace me for this storm; I want them to come close to me before these things take place.” And I suddenly realized that the Lord is crying out for intimacy and in the midst of that 3-2-1 countdown the Lord began to take me to Revelation 3:21.  When I looked at it He said “I’ll grant you to sit on the thrones with Me and then I looked at the 18, 19, 21. I counsel you buy from me gold refined in the fire. I counsel you to get white garments that you’ll be clean and I counsel you to get eye salve for your eyes.  I believe God is saying that this is the time that the Gentile church is the Christian church will begin to turn around and not be anti-Semitic but to turn around and begin to look towards the holy roots, begin to look and realize that we’ve all been grafted in and then God is doing something very powerful and it’s a time for us to turn around.   I believe that the water mark that the Lord was speaking about April 9^th and I believe in addition to that that we’re going to see some incredible things happening in our nation and the Middle East.

Sid: Tell me what we’re going to see and again Mishpocha this is being done on April 10^th 2002.

Bob: Well I believe that the Lord is saying right now that we are to look towards the Middle East and toward Saddam Hussein during the mouth of June that we are to look up. Several weeks ago the Lord woke me up from a dream and He said “There’s going to be a big earthquake.” I went into a service that night and I announced it I said “The Lord said there’s going to be a big earthquake.” Well four days later we had one in Afghanistan.  Two weeks later goes by the Lord says “More earthquakes.” We had 2 more then we had another in the Philippines. And then the Lord said “Another earthquake coming and God says “I’m going to shake Baghdad.”  The Lord said the governments of this age are not going to do this work but the governments of God are going to begin to do this work.” And the Lord began to show me “Look back towards that 1040 window again.”  Well I know when the Lord begins to redirect my path He’s saying “You’re doing but I want you to turn around and look at what I’m doing and where I’m going.” And so I hope that I’m sensitive enough to start turning where He’s going and walk where He’s going.

Sid: Is there…there’s going to be an outpouring of God’s Spirit we know this; what kind of shaking will occur in America as well as the Middle East?

Bob: Well it’s interesting in 1992 the Lord began to prepare our ministry.  I asked Him one day there was so much speculation about oh tribulation, rapture and everything.  I said Lord this is just so confusing I’m a new Spirit Filled believer I don’t know what to believe and I heard the Lord say “Prepare to go through tribulation.” He didn’t say we’re going to go through it He said “Prepare to.” And so we began to dig in and we began to get ready.” And so when I hear the Lord say “Embrace for the storm.” I believe He’s telling us I want you to embrace and that there’s a lot more getting ready to happen. And so I believe that He’s telling us that to get close to Him, get sensitive to Him let Him speak to us with this outpouring that He’s giving to us so that we are in our right position.

Sid:  Are we going to see more disasters in America?

Bob: There’s no doubt in my mind that we’re going to see more I regret that I wish that we weren’t but I believe that the prayers that came forth in 9/11 averted much catastrophe.  And I believe that unfortunately we’re coming back to a place of complacency and lethargy and apathy and when we do we’re not pressing in. But I believe that the Spirit of God is for us to come back to Him right now.

Sid: …People that have taken the course of yours have they been able to understand dreams and visions?

Bob: Oh absolutely we just got a phone call less than an hour ago from a woman who said “I’ve never had any dreams and visions we came to the conference I’ve been having visions all days the impartations was caught; the oil of the Holy Spirit is upon her and she’s understanding.  My children I have little children who have been having drams and visions because they have been under this anointing. And my little daughter Jasmine when she was 4½ years old began having dreams.  She began speaking in tongues and baptized in the Holy Spirit and she began to have…

Sid: Bob we’re out of time.

Sid:  Now Mishpochah this is not hard to believe for a Bible believer that believes in the Bible, but it’s hard to believe for a normal American Christian that my guest who I will introduce you to in a moment in one campaign in Brazil 45 deaf and dumb people instantly were healed, 45 many born that way.  My guest Peter Gammons I’m speaking to him in Orlando, Florida where he’s pastor of Cathedral of Faith. Peter this is so mind blowing that if God hadn’t done that through your ministry would you have difficulty believing that this is going on today?

Peter: Not really when I came to Christ and I discovered Jesus heals the sick today Jesus said “You’ll do greater things than I did because I go to the Father.”

Sid: Well He said that but you know where the rubber meets the road here in America if one person that was deaf and dumb got instantly healed it would make headlines.

Peter: Yeah it makes headlines it’s made headlines in Brazil in the cities where we’ve seen it happen. There’s not been one person they say that doesn’t know about the miracles that have taken place it’s shaking cities.

Sid: Peter did you come from a good Christian family?

Peter: No I didn’t.  I wasn’t raised in a Christian home the only time I ever heard the name Jesus was in blasphemy.

Sid: As you know I come from a Jewish background and the same was true for me but normally I don’t think of someone that’s not Jewish being raised in that type of environment in this day and age.  So coming from that environment where did you first start having a spiritual appetite?

Peter: What happened was I was born 11 years after my brother and my parents after my brother was born and nearly died at birth were told that they couldn’t have anymore children. And so for 11 years they were thinking that they couldn’t have any more children and then suddenly I appeared.  And my mother said “Lord we give this one to You” she wasn’t spiritual but she just felt that it was a miracle baby and said “I give this one to you.” From as young as I can remember I was searching for God. I involved in the music business at a young age and actually joined the local church choir just to get voice training but it was not an evangelical church and I never heard the gospel preached there but I attended for many years and was going to the 8:00 service, the 10:00 service and the 6:00 service as an unsaved person.

Sid: But why did you?

Peter: I knew that there was a God and I wanted to know Him but I didn’t know how to find Him and I even considered entering the priesthood but the priest advised me against it and said that he wouldn’t recommend it to anybody (Laughing.) I just was searching for God and then one day I was invited along to a meeting to a meeting with a group of young people and I went along to the service. And there was a young man that talked about how he met with Jesus personally and how Jesus had taken him out of a life as a gang leader. Which h I wasn’t in anything terrible like but I went away and they gave me a little booklet called “Journey into life.” And I went home and it talked about how I could know Jesus personally and there was a prayer to receive Christ as my Savior.  And I prayed that prayer and there was no flash of light and there was no angels floating around the bedroom.  But I had a peace inside that God had forgiven me and that Jesus had saved me and now I was just so excited I met with Jesus personally and I wanted to tell the whole world. And that’s how I got the fervor to be an evangelist.

Sid:  And now I notice something else that we had in common that in additional to being raised in a household where Jesus name was predominately a curse word, I had as a young child a tremendous fear of death.

Peter: Hm.

Sid: And I remember having a conversation with myself one time that went something like this I as home and alone and the conversation was “What happens when you die?” There was just a question popped into my heard I don’t even know why and I started as a young child trying to visualize and I could only come up with the cease to exist scenario and that was so objectionable I just blocked it from my mind.  Why did you have such a fear of death?

Peter:  Yeah what happen was one day I was walking home from a club where I had been performing a nightclub where I had been performing and I noticed that this man was following me everywhere I went he followed me and he was getting closer and closer and I could hear his footsteps behind him and in the end I stopped and I turned to him and said to him “Why are you following me?” And he said “I’m going to kill you.” And I said “Why and he said “I don’t like you.” And he’d been watching me all night and I’d had friends all around me and was having a lot of fun and he was a strange character just standing in a corner watching. What happened I regarded as a miracle but my mother had been at home and she had been feeling very uneasy and she decided she was just going to drive around and see if she could see me anywhere and she pulled up alongside me as I’m standing there with this man. And she wound down the window and said “Get in the car.” And so I jumped in the car and then she just sat there thinking that it was a friend of mine that I was talking to and waiting for him to get into the car. (Chuckling.)

Sid:  Hm.

Peter: And I just said “Go go he’s going to kill me” and she said “Well we’re going to call the police.” And I said he’s got brothers who are bigger than him. And what happened was he ended up stabbing a policeman. But it left me with a terrible fear of death and I started was music and my whole life was a singer.  I started singing about having guard dogs and bars at the window and suddenly what I thought was going to be freedom and happiness and success became my prison.  And I used to have a single prayer I prayed “Don’t let me die, don’t ley my cat die, don’t ley my grandma die, don’t ley my mother die, and don’t let me die” and that was my whole prayer life I was afraid of death. And the night that I received Jesus I got the Bible that my grandmother had given me many years earlier though I’d never read it before. And I didn’t know where to look in the Bible but I just opened it up and it fell open in Philippians chapter 1 and I read these words “For me to live is Christ and to die is gain.” And I said “How can anybody say that to die is gain? And I thought well the night I was saved I thought I’m only going to be with Jesus what could be better?  And for the first time I turned the light off and I went to sleep. I used to sleep with the light on because I was afraid someone was going to get me I had my bed in the middle of the room.

Sid: Hm. A lot of children do that.

Peter:  I had a knife beside my bed and I even got myself a gun and that’s how afraid of somebody killing me I had this phobia.

Sid:  And so the fear was surrounding you and instantly it disappeared?

Peter: As instant as this I turned the light off and went to sleep and I’ve never had problems sleeping since. I’ve had problems waking up but no problems going to sleep since.

Sid: (Laughing) Yeah I noticed something else in your bio that intrigued me and there came a point in your life where you wanted God’s power desperately tell me about that point.

Peter: Hm.  What happened was I had a year as a Christian after I was born again. I had a whole year of trying to win people for Jesus I’d tell them about Jesus and they were not interested. And I couldn’t work this out because I was so desperate to know God and I couldn’t work out how everybody wasn’t. And then…

Sid:  I had that same problem when I became a believer my biggest shock is very few Christians were Christians.

Peter: Yeah yeah it’s amazing and of course living in England which I was born and raised there and only moved to America 3 years ago so I was far more cynical in anti-Christian environment and with very few evangelical Christians.  And so here I was in a situation where I tried evangelizing I tried praying and I didn’t know how to pray.  I heard someone talk about anything but they never said that tithing had anything to do with money it just said we need to give 10%. So I thought it meant 10% of my time and I thought I had to pray 10% of my time. And so I tried giving God 2 hours and 40 minutes and if you can imagine as a new Christian trying to give God 2 hours and 40minutes within 2 minutes I run out of ideas what to pray about so I got under total condemnation that I as a useless Christian and in the end I just got to the point where one point I lay in bed and I said “God I don’t know how to live this Christian life I’m messing it up if I were you I’d take me home now because I’m only going to let You down.”  And I said “I’m going to count to 10” and I was very serious I said “I’m going to count to 10 and if I’m still here when I get to 10 I’m going to live for you.”And I began to count 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.” When I got to 10 I was still there and I’m going to live for You but I’m going to need something and I don’t know what I need.” So I went along to a service where I heard that they prayed for people afterwards and at the end I went forward I didn’t listen to a word that the minister had prayed it was a charismatic service and they’d have people that were hopping around and dancing in the service and I thought that this was terrible and I thought they should be reverent and this kind of thing. And I never seen the enthusiasm on people alive for Jesus.  But they prayed for people at the end and I went forward and I said “I just need something in my life I just need power.” And the man showed me in Acts chapter 1:8 where it says “You shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you and you’ll be witnesses to me in Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria and to the ends of the earth.” And he showed how when the power of the Holy Spirit came on the early disciples it turned them into preachers and people were saved 3000 saved the first day and he said “You need the Baptism.” He said “Have you been baptized in the Holy Spirit?” I said “I’ve never heard of it before and he said “You need it.” And I said well if I need it I’ll have it. And so he prayed for me to be baptized in the Holy Spirit and I just felt such power I felt twice as tall as I walked out of the meeting.  And the preacher said to me “Have you spoken in tongues yet?” Who had been preaching and I said “I’ve never heard about that I’ll have to read a book on that subject.”

Sid: (Laughing)

Peter: But I knew that there was a power in my life so I got this book that was by Rita and Dennis Bennett called “The Holy Spirit in You.” About the revival that took place in the Episcopal Church and I got as far as page…as far as the second chapter and I said “Lord I can’t wait and tried to speak in tongues. And I thought that the Holy Spirit was going to come and take control but God never possesses you have to cooperate with Him and take a step of faith and speak out by faith. But I didn’t understand all of that then and I was expecting God to do something but it said “They spoke in tongues it didn’t say God did.”

Sid: Peter hold that thought we’re going to pick up here on tomorrow’s broadcast…

Sid: My guest right here in the studio is John McTernan author of a brand new book that I believe will be one of the most influential books to what God is doing in these last days at this moment.  More important than any book I know short of the Bible it’s called “Israel the Blessing or the Curse.”  And John has traced within 24 hours every time the United States comes against Israel or the Jewish people there is a horrible devastation and he goes one after another after another. And you can’t call this a coincidence it ties in with Genesis 12:3 God says “I’ll bless those that bless the Jewish people and I will curse those that curse them.” And if there’s any skeptics if they read this book they won’t be skeptics any longer.  On yesterdays broadcast there is so much misinformation John McTernan in reference to the Palestinians and the conflict between the Arabs and the Jews.  For starters where do we get the name Palestinian?

John: Well Sid we go back to the Roman destruction of Israel in 70 AD and it was a very very bitter war I mean the Jews fought fiercely against the Romans.  The Roman’s had such hatred toward the Jews that they literally tore up Jerusalem, they destroyed the Temple Mount didn’t leave one stone upon another which Jesus said would happen. And they plowed up the city, they brought plows in and they plowed it up and they changed the name from Judea at that time to Palestine and they did that as an insult. And they went back to the Philistines who were upon the land 100’s of years before.

Sid: So the word Palestine or Palestinians is really the Philistines.

John: Yes exactly, exactly.  And yeah it was a name given by the Romans will say approximately 2000 years ago.

Sid: Okay in 70AD the Jews were disbursed although there’s always been a remnant in Israel.  However then what happened?

John: Well Sid from that time we’ll just pick 70AD because there was second uprising in 136 AD but from 70 AD up until the creation of the rebirth of the nation of Israel in May of 1948 there was always a Jewish presence in the land always. And when it says that they were disbursed into the nations probably 95% of the Jews went to the nations but always there was a Jewish presence and especially Jerusalem always. And Israel was never another nation. And that’s what’s amazing Sid is that Israel became like providence in an empire it never became a separate nation by itself.  And Jerusalem was never the capital of any other nation but Israel.  But an example we’ll take the Ottoman Turks.  The Ottoman Turks ruled that area for about 400 years. And the capital of that providence was not even Jerusalem it was Damascus. And Jerusalem was a little backward city that no one was paying any attention to after the crusades were over and all of that until the Jews came back to the land. And then all of a sudden Israel became, Jerusalem became a critical importance.

Sid: You point out in your book that when the Roman’s changed the name to Palestine it wasn’t for the Arabs it was for the whole region. So a Jewish person living in Israel at that time would be a Palestinian as much as a Arab person.

John: Absolutely correct.

Sid: And it was an insult really because they wanted to call them Philistines.

John: Right and prior to 1948 we know that Israel was under the British mandate from the end of World War I to 1942 the UN, or the League of Nations, had put Israel under what is called the British mandate.  And when the British issued passports from there it was Philistine, it was Palestine is what is was called. And a Jewish person prior to 1948 would have a Palestine passport they would have been born in Palestine.

Sid: So how did all of these Palestinians get to Palestine?

John: Well Sid if you read anything in history you’ll see back in the 1700’s especially 1800’s Israel was kind of a barren kind of a forsaken land.

Sid: So no one would want it really.

John:  Exactly Mark Twain, Samuel Clemons, he traveled there and he said “You travel for like days and not see anyone and just desert and malaria infested swamps.” But as the Jews came back in the late 1800’s the land…when the Jews left it was like cursed and became barren and as soon as they back it became blessed and very productive cities were built.  And the man in particular who is responsible for bringing the modern day Palestinians there was a man called Haj Al Husseini who was the mufti of Jerusalem.  He was the one that was spiritually the Muslim head of Jerusalem. And he became concerned when he saw Jews starting to come in numbers back to Israel. And he put a call out to the Arab nations for them to come and they did come. They basically came from Iraq and Egypt. And in great numbers the British allowed open immigration any Arab could come in but limited Jewish immigration and to then what was called Palestine. So the modern day of course there are some Palestinians that say that they can trace their ancestry a long time. But the modern day ones including Arafat are Egyptians or Iraqis.

Sid: Is it true that one of the major reasons they came is of course it was the call out but the land was prospering and there were jobs.

John: Right and right Sid as the Jews came back it was great agriculture the cities were being built and there was work. To this day the Palestinians the vast majority of their employment in Israel and that was from the very beginning when God began to restore Israel there was jobs and there was work there. And the Arabs came for that political reason they were called but also because there was work and employment and they could be I guess because the Lord was blessing the land of Israel.

Sid: Okay so they weren’t there originally the vast majority of them, they’re in this land it’s their land now Israel’s independence is declared, what happened next?

John: Sid on the very day Israel declared independence May 14, 1948 six Arab nations declared war on Israel and they attacked Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan they all simultaneously they all attacked Israel.  Israel didn’t do anything Israel did not fire one shot, Israel didn’t really have…they just had like a militia to defend themself.  And I believe if you read history regarding that war in 1948 it’s a true miracle of God that the nation of Israel existed. And what happened was the Arabs put out a call for the Palestinians, the Arab Palestinians at that time to flee the land. And they literally said “They were going to destroy Israel and drive the Jews into the Mediterranean” that’s what they said.  And the Palestinians that the Arabs that responded to this left the land and these armies came in. However they were defeated and because they were defeated Israel did not allow these Arabs to come back into the land because these are the people that wanted Israel destroyed.  These are the people that fled the land because they wanted these armies they wanted to avoid the fighting they wanted these armies to destroy Israel and then they would come back in and take the land that the Jews had there.

Sid: Okay so Israel said “Okay we don’t want you back.”  So why didn’t the wealthy Arab countries they are so much larger they are so much wealthier than Israel just take them as immigrants into their country?

John: Sid this is one of the truth of history that we have people now since 1948, 53 years that are still in camps from the 1940’s. The reason is the Arab nations want to keep these people as pawns; they can be used as political pressure against Israel. That’s probably a cold hard way of looking at it; Israel absorbed the people that were like Iraq that they fled Egypt Israel absorbed all of them.  The Palestinians that left and went to Jordan they’re still in refugee camps to this day the Syrians will not absorb them into their society.

Sid: Why?

John: Because they want to keep them as pawns against Israel; political pawns to put pressure on Israel over the land.

Sid: Okay let’s look at it from a religious view point.  There are Muslim holy sites in Israel we know this; that’s why they want the land.

John: Well it’s actually Jerusalem and Sid I never thought I’d be kind of an expert on the Quran but I studies the Quran now because of everything that’s going on.  And we say chapter and verse and Muslims say Sura that’s their expression. And they base meaning the Muslims they base their claim on Sura 17 verse 1.  And I’m going to paraphrase it that Mohammed went to Jerusalem and from Jerusalem he ascended into heaven on a white horse and he saw Jesus and they only view the Lord as a prophet they don’t view Him as the Son of God.  And He saw Jesus as a prophet all the prophets they then they then built this the Dome of the Rock at that spot where he ascended into heaven.  Plus they have this one of their important mosques Al Aqsa mosque is also the Temple Mount site. Now the problem with that Sid is in 630 Mohammed, died in 632 AD, at that point Jerusalem was a Christian City. On what we call today the Dome of the Rock and the Temple Mount there was a Catholic Church, the church of St. Mary.  Mohammed never went to Jerusalem and Jerusalem was not captured by the Muslim cavalry until 638 AD. There wasn’t a mosque built there until 60 years later.  So the whole thing is made up Sid it’s all contrived.

Sid: All contrived.

John: But people don’t know that, people think…

Sid: Now wait a second someone not a Christian, not a Jew or maybe nominal in both camps that’s a reporter this is so basic so elementary if you will why isn’t this in the news? The reporters are you know they should be honest not all but some there should be some honest reporters.

John: Well Sid I think there’s agendas out there; I think a lot of them are perhaps ignorant they don’t care and there’s agendas. I think that there is a huge percentage of the media that are against Israel, they’re not for Israel they’re against Israel. They’ll let that go because it is politically advantageous to have it like that.

Sid: There is only one explanation…

Sid: My guest Martha Kilpatrick has a new book titled “Chariot of Fire – Elijah of the Last Days.” Now recently I had a conference in Brunswick, Georgia called “Days of Elijah.” So somehow this book got into a pile of books, and when books come to me what I do is I give them to Janie DuVall, producer of the radio and television show and Janie’s job is to screen the books; that’s my normal method so to speak especially with a conference coming up. But “Days of Elijah” was the title of the conference and the book was called “Elijah of the Last Days.” So I picked it up and I said to myself “There is such an important message here. First thing I want to do is I want to call Martha and tell her how much it ministered to me.” Then I suggested she come to our conference and she came to our conference, and she spoke just for a few minutes really and some of our people got set free. One woman in particular tell me about her Martha.

Martha: She came to me after I spoke with tears running down her cheeks and she said “I’ve been set free today. I didn’t understand what my problem was, I saw it finally as Jezebel” and the root of her problem was fear.

Sid: You know Martha the thing that is so amazing to me is when people hear Jezebel they think that’s a stigma of “Oh! They’re into witchcraft, and they’re filled with demons.” When I read your book I saw Jezebel and Ahab in my own life. I believe that everyone of us are dealing with those spirits in our lives, and with people that have those spirits that are in a simplistic approach as I understand it, a Jezebel spirit controls through intimidation and fear. An Ahab spirit wants peace at any price and submits to everything and where is God in the equation, He’s nowhere. Once this lightbulb goes on you can do something about it. So what happened to this woman?

Martha: Yes well apparently she was struggling with something and she didn’t have its name. Now most of defeating Jezebel is to realize that’s what it is, that it is a Jezebel spirit, it is a principality much more than a demonic thing. All of us have that propensity any of us can go in either direction.

Sid: So you lost me for a second you said “It’s a principality rather than demonic.” Well principality is demonic.

Martha: But it has a… the Jezebel spirit has an authority higher than a demonic.

Sid: Ah I see.

Martha: So it is a bigger force and all of us have the tendency we can go into giving up our volition, or we can take control. When you do that as a lifestyle you enter that realm of Satan’s involvement.

Sid: What about when you stated a word that got me thinking, “We can give up our volition.” Could something such as wanting to appease the flesh but not in a horrible way “Oooh just fun – fun – fun,” nice things rather than spending time developing intimacy with God. I don’t mean to put trips on anyone. Could this be a spirit?

Martha: It could be. God has to define and name, so your relationship God is as the Holy Spirit whispers to you and says “It’s that woman in the conference.” The Holy Spirit let her see a connection between her problem and what I was sharing. It can go to a spirit, the human tendency is to want pleasure, but when that is indulged and indulged then it can be taken over by the stronghold of the enemy. Jezebel is about feeling good, it’s about pleasures of the flesh of all kinds. That is the goal is just to be comfortable and feel good…

Sid: But where do you draw the line as you said “It’s no sin and God wants us to enjoy this life,” but by the same token He doesn’t want it to… Where’s the line drawn?

Martha: The line exists in the heart. I say in the book that the war is not with Jezebel but it is within your own heart.

Sid: We always look at the other person rather than ourselves…

Martha: Yes and we look at the enemy.

Sid: Hmm hm.

Martha: And at the one who’s attacking. But the real battle is in the human heart and it’s a matter of worship. Ultimately it boils down to what do you worship? What you worship, first of all is what you fear, and what you love, and what you want. If you heart is right then the Jezebel spirit will not take you nor will the Ahab spirit.

Sid: Where does someone draw the line in a marriage where their wife or their husband through fear or perhaps “Maybe there’ll be a divorce if I don’t submit to them…” There’s a hard question, where does someone draw that line? Do you understand what I’m saying?

Martha: Yes I do understand because Jezebel, Ahab is a marriage.

Sid: Right.

Martha: That principality Satan loves to insert it into a marital relationship, into a church, brother and sister relationship, and the line is drawn only by the Holy Spirit. So the solution someone asked me “Do you have the solution here?” I said “It is not a How-To book” because it points to a relationship with God and intimacy with Him. You have to hear His voice individually and in that marriage as to how to walk that out and how to understand where control crosses the line into your very soul. It takes really the voice of God and the presence of God, a relationship with Him is the solution to it.

Sid: It’s actually, you give an example in your book of it could be life threatening if you cross over the line. Would you explain that?

Martha: Yes there is a real spirit of intimidation and aggression that comes from Jezebel. In the Biblical story she did murder many of God’s people and God’s prophets. There is a definite threat “If you don’t do what I say, you will perish,” and there can be literally the threat of death.

Sid: And the bigger question Martha is, what does God think of all of this?

Martha: One of the things I wanted to convey in this book is the reality of the judgment of God against those who participate in the Jezebel spirit. He mentions it in Revelation 2 which is written to the New Testament church. This is not under the Old Covenant this is under the new. He says about tolerating Jezebel “I’ve given her time to repent and she’s unwilling so I’ve cast her on the bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery (spiritual adultery is more of what it means with her) suffer intensely and I will strike her children dead.” I think we have seen the reality of this in lives, we have seen deaths and suffering and sickness that was related to the Jezebel principality.

Sid: But Martha, we have a whole country of Christians in the United States of America that are pleasure seekers rather than fear of God. Do you think some sort of judgment will be coming even on America?

Martha: Yes I do. I think it has begun.

Sid: In 1998 you had a word from God, what was that?

Martha: Yes. I saw… I was in Jeremiah and I saw that when Jezebel is allowed to rule a nation and it goes into the queen of heaven, that there is an inevitable judgment. The Lord spoke to me that we would go to war. I shared it with my church and called them to prepare to be warriors to use the time we had to get ready, and that there was no prayer that could pray it away, it an inevitable war.

Sid: Was it revealed what nations were involved?

Martha: No.

Sid: I mean it appears as though it could very well… this starting point could be a war with Iraq.

Martha: Yes.

Sid: Which would then involve other nations taking sides could easily be.

Martha: Yes very easily. That was an obvious choice, but the…

Sid: So what’s going to happen as a consequence of this war?

Martha: I’m not sure that I know that. I just know that believers have to be strong in the Lord, ready to do spiritual warfare, and prepared for any eventuality including suffering as believers.

Sid: Could we actually have war in this… did you see war in this country?

Martha: I did not see war in this country but I did see great suffering.

Sid: So if there’s ever been a time to remove the obstacles from intimacy with God. In effect that’s the subject of your book…

Martha: Yes it is

Sid: …that we’re talking about. Why did you write the book “Chariot of Fire – Elijah the Last Days?”

Martha: I began to see that God wanted me to, I didn’t much want to I didn’t want to know as much about Jezebel as I know. I was sort of like Elijah, I had had a stream of life experiences with Jezebel figures that I had to learn the secrets of Elijah.  As I went through years of this I began to see the tremendous need in the body of Christ. We do not recognize evil, we do not recognize the judgment of God as it comes in our midst. We don’t name it, we rather that I write in the book that we’d rather dance than fight. We’d rather make merry than grapple, and we don’t name evil, and see evil, and it is crucial that we do so.

Sid: What feedback, although it’s a new book, what feedback are you getting from people that read it?

Martha: I had a word a number of people have been extremely affected, and transformed, healed one woman called it “Healed.” She read it 5 times.

Sid: Now I read it very quickly because the conference was coming up. I intend to read it slowly it is that kind of book.

Martha: The book is intended for you to… for the reader to deal with those propensities. And in self before you begin to even take on the Jezebel in another person or in a church or whatever. But it is a personal individual journey.

Sid: It is really a block to intimacy with God…

Martha: Yes it is.

Sid: A major block.

Martha: That’s what Jezebel steals is intimacy with God. She comes and interferes with that communication.

Sid: I want to ask you about your intimacy with God, I mean I’m overwhelmed with the path God’s taking you, but we’re out of time today.

Sid: I have on the telephone a man that’s spent 30 years archiving all of the records he could find and videos and audio cassettes of the greatest miracle ministries the world has known.  And he has the most expensive collection of archives of these materials….As I said to you John in another broadcast my favorite is Branham. The way that he would look at complete strangers; he would actually see lights over people’s heads.

John: Hmm hm.

Sid: And would you explain that?

John: Well it’s just what the Bible talks about a wonder it makes you wonder.

Sid: A sign and a wonder.

John: Signs, wonders and miracles and God demonstrated that in this tremendous move of the Voice of Health Ministers in the 40’s and 50’s there.  And Braham was just a unique guy some of his early messages we have I was looking at one prior to getting on this interview. And there was just a simple message called “Paradox.” He talks about how Joshua says to the son “Be still.” Well that’s a wonder you see and that makes you wonder and he talks about a person who is born again one of the greatest miracles in the world is when a person is born again and received Christ in his heart he’s a transformed person. And again I have my whole life that people couldn’t believe that I was saved you know this was the guy who was drinking and cussing and carrying on and being bad and now he’s a you know a goody goody.  It makes you wonder what has happening in that person’s life.  Branham has such a power and a walk with God that I don’t think the half has really been told about his ministry his early ministry. I know that I’ve met his daughter did an interview on her I’ve been in his home. I saw where he studied at, I’ve been to the place up in the mountains where the angel visited him and not that I was looking for any kind of experience but this was for getting a feel for the man. My thinking is like this “What was in the mind of say General Robert E Lee at Gettysburg what was he trying to achieve.” What was AA Allen trying to achieve, what was Branham trying to achieve?  They all had a commission from God to achieve something to get something done in a time and space world here and some of them completed it and some of them didn’t.

Sid: Okay tell me what the mission assignments from God for the 3 were.

John: First of all they were to be a witness to this generation with signs, wonders and miracles. Secondly they were to perpetuate that ministry through other people. And third to preserve, if you please, the integrity of the ministry and the closes person that came to that was Allen.

Sid: You know looking at them or even reading about people in the Bible was they…why couldn’t they have done this? Why couldn’t they have been better but it is a tough road to have a miracle ministry and walk in humility.

John: Walking in humility is not easy thing. When you have the decree…let’s stop and think for a minute you’ve got to and the audience you’ve got to…what if you had in your hand creative power to change the lives of people and the environment around you?  Let me tell you something there are very few humble people walking around.

Sid: Is it true that Branham was offered very exorbitant sums of money and just turned it down?

John: I have talked to 26 Voice of Healing preachers, 26 of them personally, and everyone that I’ve talked to said “William Branham was the most humblest man that they have ever met. Now when you’ve got 26 people testify to your credibility that’s something.

Sid: Tell me what affect it’s had studying all of the lives of all of these great men and women of God what affect does it have on you?

John: Well it gives me a deep appreciation for the mercy and the grace of God in people lives because first of all if I’d been God I wouldn’t had picked any of them.

Sid: I mean say take Kathryn Kuhlman for example.

John: Hmm hm.

Sid: She used to actually say she was not God’s first choice.

John: I believe that.

Sid: But God did not want a woman that spoke in that affective manner just… but He chose a lot of other people but according to her these men turned God down. How does a man turn God down for a miracle ministry?

John: Well it’s done actually William Branham did and he ended up losing his family in that great flood in that Ohio River.

Sid: That’s right I read about that.

John: Such heartache brought him to a place of surrender. Now I personally had to have to go through something like that I’d be scared to death to cross God not that God’s standing up there with a big hammer ready to belt us in the head because His grace is sufficient. I’ve lost God in my own life in 30 years of pasturing deal with people to get them into their ministry.  I’ve talked to I can’t tell you how many people that I know that God’s called them to a particular field of endeavors.

Sid: And why does someone turn God down knowing that’s what they’re created to do?

John: Well fear and selfishness are probably the 2 culprits that I would say that would grab a hold of a person’s heart not willing to pay the price.  I thought it to…I can’t tell you men that are ministering that would say “I am not going to go into a larger base ministry like saying going on to a radio or television knowing that they had the ability to go and the means to go but they didn’t want that kind of exposure they didn’t want their family to be…you know look at the travel time that some of the ministers that have put in today. Just hypothetical look at Benny Hinn look at the travel that he must have to do and how much time can he possibly have with his family?

Sid: As you said many times this week there’s a price to pay.

John: There is a price yes sir.

Sid: What about you? Tell me after having studied all of these men and women with the best archives imaginable?

John: Hmm hm.

Sid: How has God used you?

John: Well He’s using me just like He said that He would be using me with those pictures where tumors disappeared and blind eyes opened and the lame walked and all of that I’ve seen that in my own ministry 100’s of times.

Sid: Have you see these things in the United States a lot of people see these things outside of the US what about you?

John: I don’t have a problem ministering in the United States.  I mean I’ve only been out to Mexico and I actually seen more here in this country than I did see in Mexico.

Sid: Tell me what to you was the most vivid most exciting one miracle of a physical nature that you’ve seen.

John: There was a lady and I don’t think I’m going to say this right but her head was laying on her shoulder and her back was twisted, scoliosis, and she was probably 60 – 65 years of age. And it was a very powerful service and this would be probably had to understand for some folks but there is an energy that comes on you a power that comes on you and you don’t even think about what you’re doing. And when she came up and says “I want prayer for my back.” And I just picked her head up off her shoulder and I just straightened her up and she became straight and walked away.  Blind eyes one of the first miracles that I’ve ever saw in my life in my own ministry was a man who had a long white cane with you know with 5 or 5 inches of red on the bottom of it and he was healed in the first revival I had ever had.

Sid: That’s got to be forget the first just to see someone’s that’s blind get their sight back I mean it’s…

John: Yeah.

Sid: …that’s the way that it’s supposed to be but in most services that we go to for miracles we don’t see the blind and the deaf.

John: Well here Sir is an example of what we talked about pre getting onto this interview and that is “How do you know what God wants to do in a service?”  Because there are services where He doesn’t heal them.

Sid: And you may want something but that’s not what God’s after.

John: That’s right and most people where a lot of these ministers got in trouble because they were labeled as a healing….what if you went to a Benny Hinn Meeting and there was no healings take place and because he said that God wanted to just have a prayer meeting you see.

Sid: I had a meeting recently…

John: Uh huh.

Sid: Where I had come off a string of services with major types of miracles and I just flat expected it. And what God wanted it was a tremendous outpouring of God’s Spirit for repentance but I was after the physical miracles.

John: And I’ve made that mistake.

Sid: And I missed it.

John: Yeah and I have to and a lot of other preachers have missed it. Now in that when I told you about the man that was blind my first meeting was that I had a visitation of an angel and I went into a vision and I saw the scripture that I was going to preach. Now you’ve got to remember this was 30 some years ago I was a no novice I knew nothing and I saw the scripture that I was to minister on, how to minister…

Sid: How far ahead of the meeting did this happen?

John: This happened about a week before the meeting.

Sid: Okay go ahead.

John:  And I saw the people that would be in the meeting and when I got there it was exactly how He showed me.

Sid:  You don’t have to work up your faith when you see that.

John: No you don’t know you don’t! And it just gives you a confidence that you would otherwise not have and that’s the importance of following the anointing.  Now I liken in following the anointing as when the cloud lifted when Moses was in the wilderness with the Israelites and when the cloud was over the tabernacle.  When it lifted that’s when they got the signal to get up and move and when it stopped that’s when they made camp.  And we have got to be sensitive not that we’re looking for visions and all of this sort of stuff.

Sid: Listen we’re coming into times right now forget the healing ministry, we’re coming into times right now if we can’t hear God it can cost us our life.

John: Absolutely.  And I’ve had experiences like that to where I hadn’t listened to God and it almost cost me my children’s life.

Sid:  We’re out of time…

Sid: I have a friend by the name of Israel Pachtar; I’m butchering your name Pachtar is that good?

Israel: Yep…

Sid: Well an Israel and I just got back from Israel of course that’s where he lives and we had an historic outreach.  More Jewish people made professions of faith that were gathered in on place at one moment.  It was almost 650 people made professions of faith these are Jewish people, these a non-believers in the Messiah this is Jerusalem, Israel. A friend of mine who is a second generation Messianic Jew Samuel Smajda said that they have experienced this type of evangelistic activity in Israel since Pentecost when Peter gave a few paragraphs.  At this that is the way it is in the New Testament he spoke a few paragraphs and 3000 Jewish people accepted Jesus. Well it wasn’t 3000 but I’ll tell you what I am still in awe, amazed, I almost have to pinch myself Israel that it happened!

Israel:  Yeah its history in the making.

Sid: But you know what I want you to get to know my friend Israel because this is such an unusual background.  He was born in a place that’s in the news a lot Ukraine, Crimea and that where there’s a lot of activity between Russia and the Ukrainians and you’ve been reading about in the newspaper.  So you were born there you had a great grandmother that didn’t know a whole lot about Judaism although she was Jewish it was just that that generation and since they actually took away the Jewish identity as much as they could. But she knew something better than Judism she knew God was real and she instilled that in you.

Israel: Yes.

Sid: But then your age 7 you go to school and what does the teacher say?

Israel: Oh my teacher said you know and it’s the 3^rd grade teacher like a god for you I don’t remember that age but (Laughing.)

Sid: Maybe I don’t remember, I never thinking that my teacher was like god but go ahead (Laughing.)

Israel: Okay high respect and she made all the class quiet and said “I want to make an important statement.  And she said “There is no god.”

Sid:  How did…wait wait you’re at a point your grandmother gives you instills this and your great grandmother instills this and you’re starting to pray to God.

Israel: Yes.

Sid: How did you feel?

Israel: I feel confusion, big confusions and she kind of brought the reasons and kind of a sense an astronaut he had been up there is no God.

Sid: Oh, this is awful.

Israel: She said “Only stupid people believe in God.”

Sid: Ah.  And remember now at that time there is no synagogues in Crimea there’s no churches in Crimea. So what did this little kid do he had such a touch I believe of God I believe from your great grandmother that despite that you still prayed a little bit to God.

Israel:  I have a week 7 days not praying.

Sid: Ah huh.

Israel: After the story kind of going and thinking of all of this confusion and then I played with my kids and I was going to come home late and I should be punished by my parents. So I prayed again and God really helped me so my faith came back.

Sid: (Laughing) But at 17 you continued praying and you would feel something when you prayed what would you feel?

Israel: I really feel that God is that he is that there is something more I’d been talking to the Lord of any possible friend that were open to speak about supernatural. And I just carried this thought I actually like you when I die or when people are dying there is nothing?

Sid: Yeah, isn’t that an awful, that’s the most objectionable thought as a kid.

Israel: It drive me crazy I stopped and looking at the stars and thinking I like the history and thinking about all the great people died and so faith kind of was growing in me.  But I had no directions like you said in my city we had pretty big Jewish community but not even one synagogue.  The synagogue became the cultural center music school and many other activities so I have no body to ask questions so I just been wondering and speaking to heavens and speaking to God.

Sid: But did you feel that I know He answered that prayer but did you really feel his presence I guess is the best question?

Israel: Yes it is really a good way to put it I really felt His hand on my life and I have seen many prayers…

Sid: Was it tangible I mean could you I mean like now as believers I can feel His presence come on me could you feel a degree of that even as a nonbeliever?

Israel: Probably not.

Sid: Okay.

Israel: But in certain times and quiet time it would grow stronger and I just just came to total conclusion that God exists and I knew that I don’t know Him but He’s there. At the age of 17 I really started to speak to God every day, praying, I’d pray every day.

Sid: It’s amazing you know you have to understand that he knows nothing about Judism for sure knows nothing about Christianity.

Israel: No of course.

Sid: But you don’t know when you plant a seed in someone his great-grandmother planted a seed in him that if she hadn’t done it I think it would have been finished with God in you when your teacher says there is no God.

Israel: Yeah most likely.

Sid: Okay so then at 18 he meets a brand new Gentile believer that tells him about Jesus and by the way Romans 11:11 “Salvation has come to the Gentile to provoke the Jew to jealousy they’re just being a Gentile believer that’s the God ordained call of ever Gentile believer.  By the say do you know what the God ordained call is of every Jewish-believer? We’re to be a light to the nations that’s the Gentile; now you get the Jews and the Gentiles together guess what you got?  The whole world!  God You’re so brilliant!

Israel:  Yes.

Sid: Anyway and you got baptized in the Holy Spirit the same day was it powerful or…

Israel: Oh yes it was powerful; I was really I just was ready and you know I came one to my mother’s grandmother’s village and I met there some group of people now I assume they were Pentecostal preachers.

Sid: You didn’t know.

Israel: And I was walking with my friend and I just came there right by the end they were staying downtown it was tourist days when it was allowed and legal to preach you know and they were sharing with a little group of people just boldly downtown village 15 people around 20. And I came at the very last words but it never called to repent to receive Jesus or anything but I felt the presence of God I really felt it. And they said “Well we’re coming next week come.”  But I just couldn’t make it next week it’s just gone.  So I see there just a little touch of the Holy Spirit now I’d been reading a book I don’t know if you know here in America but the book that was translated to many languages that book called “Satan in Moscow.”

Sid: No.

Israel: And actually it speaks about supernatural work Satan and God both.

Sid: Right.

Israel: And it’s really kind of also kind of rising my curiosity about Satan too.

Sid: Yes.

Israel: But I mean it just fell and I’d been focused on God even more after that book.  So you could see little different secular books draw in closer. And when I met this boy I was just ready; now it’s interesting but when he approached me and he said straight away “I’m going to share with you my new faith in Jesus.” And then all of the Jewishness I had in me come up; I mean really I’m just amazed supernaturally but all of the prejudice come up I don’t know where it come from.

Sid: You know something isn’t that just amazing that here he’s a Jew the Jewish culture means nothing you looked at him you wouldn’t even know that He’s a Jew culturally and yet you know what that is?  God said through the Prophet Jeremiah “As long as there is a sun and a moon and stars there will be a physical Jew on the face of the earth.” And there’s something of Israel and there’s something inside of me, there’s something inside of every Jewish person that goes like this “I was born a Jew and I will die a Jew.” And you have a Jewish friend that doesn’t go to synagogue or doesn’t do anything you think “Oh they don’t care about being Jewish.” Untrue right Israel?

Israel: Right, that’s right even the secular ones when it comes to real decisions they are Jewish.  So it’s really happed with me but then he was really smart it was the Holy Spirit I can tell you because I don’t know how he knew it how he could address it but he really said “But you know Jesus is for everybody and he’s for Jewish and by the way He was Jewish.” And you know that I really didn’t know that, I had no idea and he said “More than that he said “You know the holy apostles and by that he said at that time I knew about pictures and the ancient historical churches.”

Sid: Yes.

Israel: The one in the downtown just opened and everybody went there as a museum to see the pictures and I saw the pictures.  And I said “You know those guys the holy people of the Catholic church or Orthodox church they’re all Jewish.”  I was surprised, “Yes really.”

Sid: You know there’s a lot of Catholics and Russian Orthodox that would be surprised if they knew they were all Jewish but go ahead.

Israel: Yeah, they’re worshipping pictures but this is Jewish guys Jewish apostles.  So I said “Okay great.” I mean he really explained to me very well and he kept talking and then he spoke about salvation and about heal and heaven and the Holy Spirit.  So he brought me to the home group the little group of people just brand new home group and they said “Now it’s time to repent and to receive Yeshua and invite Yeshua into your heart.”  And I really sent to him yesterday and today I’m praying every day and he was shocked and I said “Really.” And I said yes but I said “Anyway let’s do that.” And he explained it a little bit more about Yeshua he’s a Jewish Savior as a Savior and he said “You know what try.” And I’d been kind of buying it and I said “You know what it sounds great it sounds reasonable it sounds good and I mean I will try.” So I really said to God I mean before praying and then I’d pray after him I said to God “I wish it would be true but I will try and if it is really truth so let it happen, let Yeshua come into my life, let Jesus come into my life.”  And then they said “Okay.” And then the prayer after him the moment I repeated a short prayer I just knew I changed, I was born again when Jesus came into my heart.

Sid: And when you were filled the Holy Spirit what happened?

Israel: Well 10 minutes later he said “New step Holy Spirit.” (Laughing) and let me pray for you for Holy Spirit okay, let’s go the same way.” He showed me a couple of scriptures I mean he was good by showing scriptures by the way and faith has been growing and growing and growing in me. And so I said okay so he prayed for me the same second I received the Holy Spirit and that was kind of one event from Holy Spirit just one thing altogether didn’t even mention difference the whole package in my life. So I came home same day Spirit Filled saved and I went to preach to all of my friends.

Sid:  But you know what that same thing happened to me and I happen to me and I happen to believe that’s the way that it’s supposed to be.  Somehow in America anyway we’ll make someone sit and be study for the next 3 years before they can be used. And then the zeal is gone and their not used.  I mean we’ve got it backwards here I mean you had a built in market everyone you knew was unsaved.

Israel: Everyone.

Sid: (Laughing)

Israel: He was first person that I ever met, first Christian I ever met in my life.

Sid: Huh well so you were called to preach the gospel immediately you would go to Bible school in Estonia where you meet your wife and you study Bible prophesy and it’s pretty clear the blessings of God for a Jew are found in only one land the land of Israel. The curses for God for a Jew or an evidence of a curse is you’re in the nations because that’s a curse. So he’s a smart guy so he and his wife decide based on Bible prophesy they’re going to go to Israel. So you go back to Crimea…

Israel: Now I’d like to share with you another story you know coming to this brand new home group and I started to come every day like no exceptions every day.

Sid: Me too.

Israel: Seven days a week.

Sid: I would go to meetings 7 days a week when I got immediately saved.  You don’t see this zeal and hunger today maybe it’s a different gospel I don’t know. (Laughing)

Israel: So I was coming everyday and these people showed me in the Bible and told me all kinds of stories they have seen on some tapes or somebody tell them or a story coming from then and here. And they told me lots of stories about healing and God can heal and He wants to heal everyone. So I just believe in it and it’s all in…and all of the teachers I have they’re been telling me and it’s written in the Bible and I just believe it like a baby you know. And at that time my Mom she was very sick, she was laying in the bed with kidney problems and she refused to go to the doctors so she was laying in the bed for a month. So coming from the home group when I heard the stories about healing and I hadn’t seen anybody praying for the sick because it’s a bunch of young people everybody healthy you know no need but I heard the stories. I came to my Mom and I said “Mom you know I became a believer because I told her I became a believer and the Bible says and I show my Bible and I just brought my Bible and I paid half of my salary to have my first Bible can you believe it.

Sid: Hm.

Israel: Anyway I said to my Mom “I want to pray for you for healing and God wants to heal you.” And then asked her “Can you turn back to me and I didn’t want her watching me because she’s my Mom and I’m just newly saved.”

Sid: Okay.

Israel: I prayed for my Mom and nothing happened to I went out and when I came back she opened door to me and she was totally healed. And she said “By the way when you left after 2 hours pain gone and I’m healed.” So first healing ever in my life I saw through my own prayer because I heard the stories but now I’ve seen it.

Sid: Well, were going to have something more for you but I have to tell you this Israel goes back to Crimea to settle things and move to Israel but in between he’s ministering to a woman that’s loaded with demons and he’s really upset over this and he leaves and shortly there after he leaves and he hears an audible voice of God what did God tell you?

Israel: God told me “God home to Israel.”

Sid: Did He say home?

Israel: Yes He said “God home to Israel.”

Sid: Yeah but when you told your wife what happened?

Israel: Oh she was happy, she was happy she knew that it was growing in her I mean I’d been in Bible school and coming back to the place of revival my kind of inner picture when are we going to go to Israel.  I thought “Now is revival we went to take part in revival and take part in revival and have a great harvest and then we would retire.” Just go to Israel and then the work will be done; but God interrupted and He changed our plans.

Sid: Okay God spoke to you, God witnessed to your wife, you go to Israel with a small son and $10?

Israel: Ten dollars cash (Laughing.)

Sid: How did you have that chutzpah that’s a Hebrew word for nerve, how did you do that?

Israel: I don’t know when God gave me a word.

Sid: Ten dollars a wife and a small child and going to a land you don’t even speak the language?

Israel: I didn’t know anybody.

Sid: Are you Mashuga?

Israel: Probably.

Sid: (Laughing) that’s another Hebrew word for crazy.

Israel: Yes.

Sid: Will be back in a moment with something more but I have to tell you something; you think you don’t know where Crimea is I was in Israel and I’m speaking to a group of Bishops and this Bishop says to me “Sid I want to tell you a story I’m living in outer Mongolia.” I don’t know where outer Mongolia is I know about Mongolian beef in a Chinese restaurant I even asked Israel he’s a world traveler he didn’t know where.  Well I looked it up on a map it’s just about Tibet in China outer Mongolia. And at outer Mongolia he turns on his TV and he sees It’s Super Natural.  Well his back is broken in 5 places an auto accident; he’s been in constant pain for 14 years.  The doctors say there’s nothing they can do for him.  His prognosis is he’ll get so doubled over he’ll have to be in a wheelchair he won’t be able to walk it was a horrible thing. So on TV I said “Someone’s back is being healed.”  And somehow he believed it and instantly he was totally healed and he tells me he has not had a pain in l year.  I said “Did you go back to the doctor? He said “No you only go to the doctors if you’re sick I have no pain.” Now that’s supernatural, now outer Mongolia I don’t even know…oh I do now where outer Mongolia is. But I’m so excited to make available to you this watch, it’s an old time pocket watch that railroad people would use. In fact on the outside is a railroad and it’s going to be the coloring is antique bronze plated gold plated train on the case and a 30 inch train.  And it has a scripture Psalm 102:13 “Now is the set time to favor Zion.” And it says Jewish Express it’s engraved in it. And God’s given me a vision of the Jewish Express see we Jews were scattered to the four corners of the earth and in the time of Hitler he would have trains that would take Jewish people to the gas chambers and everyone like you see these monkeys holding their ears, their eyes, their mouth they’re not going to speak anything and that’s the way the population was.  And they were being taken to these extermination camps and no one said a word. Well we Jewish people said’ Never again! And we mean that however I believe there’s another Jewish train and it’ called “Jewish Express.”  And this Jewish express is making stops all over the world collecting Jewish people that believe not taking them to the concentration camp a gas chamber but taking them to be ready for heaven.  They’re getting saved all over the world, the stops I’ve been to 2 already.  I’ve been to more many more but just recently I was in Jerusalem 650 unsaved Jewish people better than 98% stood up in mass made professions of faith. There were more healings than I could take the time to even count them….There’s something more an you are going to be amazed and I don’t know Israel Pachtar how you had the courage to do what we’re going to talk about we’ll be right back.

Sid: Sid Roth here with Perry Stone. Perry the revelation that you have so in so many different areas it’s almost like it’s all converging together right now, but so people will understand how you get these revelations and how we can understand keys to our future from them you work a lot with what you call types and shadows explain what that means.

Perry: Well one of the things that I’ve discovered as a young minister first of all I’m going to give you a little bit of background here. When I was felt the call of God to go into the ministry I was a teenager of 16 years of age. I was in intrigued with the prophetic books of Daniel and the book of Revelation. And I saw Daniel as a young man that went into Babylon but God used him to understand ministries. And I began to pray and I think this is the First thing: people should do when they want to understand the deeper things of God is to pray for wisdom and understanding of the deeper things and the deep things of God. So I prayed that for 2 years; after praying that I began to notice that when I began to read the Bible it was very easy once I began to read it to put scriptures with scriptures.  I would say “Wait a minute that verse goes right along with that verse over there.”  Of course I had a study Bible to help me put it together but I began to put verses together.  I began to study by subject when I got into the prophetic word which was again basically after my first trip to Israel I began to just devour and have such a hunger to understand what it was all about. To understand how it was going to come together, to understand how everything was linked together.  So a lot of this began first of all prayer for wisdom because James said “If you lack wisdom ask God and he’ll give it to you liberally.” and I held on to that.And the Second thing: is to have a love and a hunger to understand. And the Third part: and I really held the Lord to this where He said in the Book of Daniel “Seal up the book till the time of the end many should run to and fro knowledge shall be increased.” So I looked at that verse from every translation I could find and it basically is saying “When we come to the time of the end there’s going to be this very heavy unleashing unlocking of mysteries of the Bible especially prophetic mysteries.” And I simply asked the Lord “Lord help me to understand the mysteries of God.”  And I have to say that the way the Lord instructs me the things He gives me to teach people many times will say “Man I never heard that before this is the first time.” And I remember when I was younger people would kind of look at that and say “Well if you’ve never heard it before how do you know it’s true?” But they would always be able to go back to the Bible and see I was backing up everything entirely from the word. So when people for example you’re going to offer 6 CD’s that we have prepared for you; these are best I mean these are the ones that to me, I have one called “Living in Prophetic Crunch Time”  that’s absolutely off the chain in my book. It’s one of my favorites of all time.

Sid: And we’ll discuss that just a little bit and that is in our package of course.

Perry: Yeah exactly and so I’m just…I just believe that because we’re living in the time of the end it is the will of God for us to understand the things that normally previous generations it was not…let me say it this way they were not prepared to understand it. Let me give you an example Sid.  People said to me “Why is it that when you go to the time of let’s say 1500, 1600, 1700, 1800’s a lot of the ministers who were well known did not talk a lot about what we would term “The coming of the Lord for the church.” Now the word theological word for the catching away is the rapture.  A lot of people don’t like that word but I use it because people understand what I’m talking about.  And the answer is real simple #1 how can you preach the signs of the times the Lord’s coming when there’s no signs being fulfilled?  If you’ll think about it something like the 15, 16, 17, 1800’s you know there’s a civil war in America; there’s the American Revolution but as far as to have Biblical signs that you could point to and say “The Lord’s coming based on this Israel was not even a nation. The Jews were scattered around the earth; they were comfortable in Europe, America or where ever they were living it wasn’t the time for them to understand.  And only when the Biblical prophecies of the Biblical prophets begin to come to pass can the people who read the prophecy know this is happening now. And this is why in 1948 when Israel was reestablished as a nation suddenly there is this surge during the great healing revival, and thereafter from 1948 onward especially the 50’s there was this resurgence “Jesus is coming, Jesus is coming.” There were books written on the subject. The reason why a lot of the western ministers were so emphasized that greatly. And Sid I could tell you from studying it there were a lot of ministers who taught that Israel would never be a nation again until the Messiah Christ returned back to earth and then He would gather the tribes from the 4 corners of the world and they were teaching that. I mean denomination after denomination, minister after minister but ’48 that one day “What a message One Day in 1948.” In May 14 – 15^th when Israel is restored it shifted everything. And then went back to the prophet and said “Wait a minute Isaiah said a nation would be born at once.” Wait a minute Israel has to be a nation before the Messiah can set up His Kingdom because it is a nation when Messiah comes not after He comes when He comes.  This tied the timing of events began to trigger the men and women that studied the prophecy to begin to say “Something is up.” And when they took Jerusalem in ’67 and tore the concrete wall down with the barbwire and the country of Jordan, they annexed what was called east Jerusalem and united the Capital. And you’ve been there, I’ve been there and you can take tour buses in east Jerusalem, west Jerusalem, south Jerusalem, north Jerusalem, tourist all over the place people from all over the world coming. When that began to happen that was a second wave of understanding. And I would have to say that when about ’88, ’89 and 90 when in Russia the Jews began to come back from the north country and given the freedom to return that was the third wave that people said “Wait a minute we cannot interpret this to mean that all of these great things happen when Messiah steps foot on the Mount Olives, when Messiah rules for a thousand years according to Revelation 20 it’s happening now!  If it’s happening now what does it mean?  These become the signs of the time of the end.  And you can now disconnect it is impossible.  I get real amused at letters I receive from people or they’re email or something and they want to disconnect my preaching of Israel and my preaching of Jerusalem and the Jewish people and the blossoming of that they want to separate that from Biblical prophecy and make it an allegory, or say that the church is Israel, or the church are now the Jews, or you know kind of replacement theology.  But prophecies for Israel are for Israel, prophecy for the believer are for believers, prophecies for the nations are for the nations, prophecy for New Covenant believers and that’s where people have to rightly divide the word of God and say “Wait a minute yes you can look at this verse and apply it to us, but the primary meaning is the nation of Israel.”

Sid: You know Perry you talk about things I’ve never heard before even; you talk about I mean so many revelations. You talk about that we are in “Prophetic Crunch Time” I never heard that phrase before.  And you say that some of the most significant things are ready to happen. What does it mean when we’re in prophetic crunch time and how does that play out to us?

Perry: Okay I’m glad you asked that. In Ephesians 1: 9 and 10 it says “In the dispensation of the fullness of times God will gather together in one all things spoken in Christ both of things which are in heaven and which are in earth even unto Him.” Now there’s a phrase called the fullness of time or the fullness of times which is used in the New Testament. Now the first thing that we have to understand, I’m going to give you the abbreviated version here because on the offer you’ve got there’s a whole CD on this so I’m going to give a highlight point here 1 or 2.  There’s 3 ways that time is counted in the eyes of God number 1 is sabbatical cycles, every seventh day, every seventh year, every 7 times 7 years.  Then there is the Jubilee cycles every 50 years Leviticus 25, time can be counted on Jubilee cycles. We talked about the Rabbi who wrote about the 9 Jubilee cycles; then there’s something called covenant cycles and here’s what a covenant cycle is it’s Matthew 1:17 “So all of the generations from Abraham to David are 14 generations and from David to the carrying away to Babylon are 14 generations from the carrying away into Babylon and to Christ are 14 generations.  Now that’s a pattern 14, 14, and 14.  Point being that there was a set time for prophecy to actually happen, normally when a prophecy begins to happen it happens within a 24 to 48 hour period. You can say that… it’s like Israel becoming a nation when it happened it happened.  Jerusalem the third day of the war 10:00 in the morning they officially had Jerusalem so there’s a moment you know. But the closer you get to the moment time begins to get reduced or shortened that’s prophetic crunch time.  Galatians 4:4 and 5 “When the fullness of time has come God sent forth His Son born of a woman made under a law to redeem those who were under the law that we might receive adoption as sons.” Now here’s the key “When the fullness of time had come.” So here’s where we’re at we’re at times where prophecies are beginning to be fulfilled, milestones leading into stepping stones; stepping stones leading into major prophetic fulfillment. As we move closer the time of it being fulfilled is going to be reduced. Time is going to be shortened; the work will have to be done faster. The work will have to be done quicker that’s why Sid you are like a wild man on a mission. I am like a wild man on a mission.  We don’t waste a day, we don’t waste a week, we don’t waste a month, we’re every day looking for every day how we reach, how do we reach out, how do we win people; how do we touch lives?  Why are we doing it? Because there is a crunch coming in which you and I can sense we are around the corner to the big things the Messiah is making preparations for big things.  We have to get the job done in order to accommodate what He’s about to do.

Sid: Okay let me put this in my word and tell me if this is what you’re saying. We are in a set time where all prophecy is speeding up as has occurred in the past. It’s called prophetic crunch time, but things are speeding up to such a point that if we don’t redeem the time in this set season we may miss it.

Perry: That’s exactly…you hit it on the head I couldn’t have said it any better, that’s exactly what I’m saying with this, it’s exactly what the revelation of crunch time is exactly.  You know because God only gives all of us a certain time in our lifetime to complete everything He’s told us to do and there will be a generation you and I know Sid that will not die in the sense of natural death they will be changed in a moment in the twinkling of an eye and I hope that you and I both are in that generation of course.  But when we see the prophecies beginning to come to past the closer we get to for example the revelation of the anti-Christ the final 7 years of tribulation, the closer we get to some of these major, major prophecies we’re going to discover things start happening faster. You know Jesus said this “Wars, rumors of wars, famines, pestilence, earthquakes in diverse places.” And then He said “When all of these things begin to come to past.” We’ve always had war, famine, pestilence, earthquake that’s always gone on we’ve always had those things. However when all of these things start happening at the SAME TIME that’s how you know you’re entering into the birth pains and you’re entering into the time of the end.  And that’s why you’re seeing so many wars, so many rumors or wars, so many up risings.

Sid: Perry we’re going to break right now but when we come back I want to know because we’re right in between these very prominent blood moon patterns on feast days I want to know why this is so important and why people are making such a big deal of it. And I also want to know something they’ve all left out that you’re going to tell us when we return.