Sid: You know my guest is Dr. Gary Whetstone, and Gary and I we’ve known each other a long time. We have friends that are prophets and we read the newspaper and we see that things are not going to be the same in the United States.  We see what’s going on with the economy; we see what’s going on in every arena of life it appears to be shaking right now. Some people are storing food, others are storing guns, other are storing are money, others are buying gold and silver.  I recommend people do whatever God directs them to do, but a lot of them that are doing this Gary are doing it because of fear that we’re living in the last days. What would you say to these people that are so fearful?

Gary:    You know what the thing that God has spoken in Jeremiah 29:11 He says “For I know the plans that I have for you declares the Lord, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you a hope and a future.”  If you think about every other plan that is induced to create a false security.  False securities is one of the greatest instruments of the enemy to trust in the arm of the flesh.  If you think that gold is going to be a secure place, you are greatly, greatly forsaken because it says “Gold will fail.”

Sid: Well, you know what, I think a lot of people are putting these things and making them their god rather than God their God.

Gary:  Absolutely and because of the false imagery and because of the evil imaginations. You think about it, God’s commanded us in II Corinthians 10 verses 3 – 5 it says “To pull down imaginations.”  He says “To cast down every high thing, every stronghold and imagination that exalts itself against the knowledge of God.” Satan wants to get our faith and fear is one of the greatest tools the enemy uses to get it.  He creates an attack of a bump on your body, next thing you know you’re thinking “Oh, I’ve got skin cancer,”  You end up having a lay off or a cut back in your employment, and you think “Oh, my god I’m not going to have any more money.  Well, the fact of the matter is God’s just setting you up for promotion, He’s given you exactly what Jesus said He does when you’re going to bring forth more fruit, He’s cutting the tree back so it’ll be pruned.  He said “I’m the vine, you’re the branches.” He said “How’s this works is “The Father’s husbandry He trims the branch but what the enemy does is interpreted it as a fear and then make us look at some natural way, or some imagination of our mind that we can trust in.  Trust in gold, trust in our education, trust in some favoritism of somebody that is able to get us a job rather than “Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not unto your own understanding.  In all your ways acknowledge Him and He will direct your paths.”  The greatest crippling affect that takes place in the Body of Christ is the pictures that take place in our mind.  In the book I’ve written called “Make Fear Bow” deals with how to identify these evil imageries. How to see what has been set up that cause the mind to induce, perceive and conceive a way in which I am going to be limited.  We know that God didn’t give us a spirit of fear, we know that we do not have the spirit of bondage again to fear.

Sid: You know Gary I met some people that I think are so gifted to speak publicly for the Lord, but they’re afraid to get behind a microphone and they’ll never going to find out they’re so gifted.

Gary:  If they don’t put that fear under their feet they will never know the Almighty God within them.  And I’m speaking to you right now that are listening, this day there is anointing of the Living God to break the yoke of fear, break the imageries over the mind.  Break the torments, some of us live in a mindset where our families that have diseased therefore we know that we are going to die of it. How do you know that you’re going to die of it, because somebody said you’ve have signal going off in your DNA?  No, you know you’re going to have long life, God is going to satisfy you and show you His salvation.  You know that God is giving you the capacity the vision of God to step up and stand out and to speak out with the word of God.  This is God’s time in your life to put everything that’s been assaulting, acknowledging, and obstructing the word of God in you and bring it down in the Name of Jesus we have that power.  We are endowed by God not only through His nature but through the Name of Jesus to be able to cripple and to notify every principality and power of the air that I am coming forward into my future, God is favoring me to fulfill every promise He has manifested in His word and God’s nature is going to perform every word He’s spoken. There is no fail with the God that I serve.  That’s the life we life, we do not live a life that is crippled and bound by the appearances of things.  We can release our self from the self-dependencies.  We’re not set here to repeat our past, we’re not bound to the enemy to live under the grip of financial duress and fear of somebody saying “The Middle class is being wiped out.”  Who called me “Middle class, I am the head above only and not beneath.  I never was part of the middle class, I am part of the highest class that God has out of the Living God a royal priesthood.

Sid: (Laughing)

Gary:  We have let the voice of politicians, the voice of economic doom and gloom, the voice of fear and terror and torment and lack and want become a constant in our life and God has ordained us to triumph in victory in the mighty Name of Jesus.  (Praying in tongues)  For the word of the Living God has come today to open your eyes to see, to open your ears to hear, to endow your heart with power. Impel you in action and move out to do what you’ve not done.  For the word of the Lord is within you and strength and power to do the exploits set before you.

Sid: So what limitation does someone have that your speaking to right now, what limitation do they have?

Gary:  I’m watching it right now, I’m watching people afraid to speak and step out in their financial factor, it’s God’s time to break the bands of it that financial grip that that employer has had.  The torment of your education saying you can only earn this much, the fear of watching right now, fears in family, fear that we’re not going to see restoration in our sibling in our relationships, fear that our children are bound and going into rebellion, we can’t see them delivered.  Jesus…

Sid: What about fear of divorce?

Gary:   Oh, the fear that I’ve broken it so bad that I can’t see restoration, “Perfect love casts out all fear.” We are in doused by God with a supernatural ability to conquer the atmosphere around people’s lives.  Sid if people know the authority they have in Christ Jesus they will rule the atmosphere; they will subdues the tormenters that are even speaking to their spouse and shut the enemy up and the spouse will not be hearing the enemy.  That’s our authority.

Sid: But wait are these going to be bad times for people living in the last days where the economy is collapsing, diseases running rampant, families are being destroyed; is there really hope?  I mean are these worst days for believers?

Gary:  These are not the worst days, these are best.  We shine in over oppression; the church comes forth and shines the brightest light in the great darkness that exists when the oppression is the most ominous is when Christ shines the brightest. My beloved brother and sister that are listening today I’m speaking to you no matter what the darkness, no matter what the terror, no matter what the torment, no matter what the fear; the Christ Almighty in Power, Wisdom and Love in you is greater.  Do not ever let him whom is within you become restricted by anything outside of you.  Your made more than a conquer through Him who loves you.

Sid: Your listening from a man that has tested God’s word and made fear bow in every arena of his life.  I mean when you get a death sentence from a doctor there’s probably no more fearful thing than somebody can get but you’ve had two death sentences from doctors.

Gary:  That’s right

Sid: Not counting all the other things you’ve gone through.  And if God would have fear bow in his life, God will do it for you.  As I like to say “Anything God will do for me, he’ll do more for you because there’s no limit to God.  The limit is only you and a lack of knowledge. What feedback are you getting from people that are reading the book and listening to your teaching?

Gary:  I’ll tell you the teaching of “Make Fear Bow” has become a standard in many Bible colleges now because there’s no other book that clearly unveils all the causes and effects of fear. We’re watching physiologists using the book and helping people face psychosis, which is what they call it, which is nothing more than fear and break the band of that oppression in their life. The word of God is never failing; I have one lady in our church that was just listening to a teaching that I was teaching on fear the other day. She had been watching us on the internet and sitting in her house for 6 years.  I did not know this. God said to me my spirit “You who are sitting at home bound I command you get out of your house and get in this house of God right now.”  She got out and when she got up off that bed the oppression left her, the confusion, all the physical infirmity left her and she has been in the church every service.

Sid: You know you teach about believing and meditating on the word but most people never stand, they never move and this is a missing ingredient.

Sid: My guest her name is Donner Roberson and I’m speaking to her in her home in Tulsa Oklahoma.  You may be familiar with her brother who has been a guest a number of times on Messianic Vision Pastor Dave Roberson and he wrote a book that if you haven’t read you better read it it’s called “The Walk of the Spirit, the Walk of Power.”  And Dave literally as a new believer decided he would put in just like a work day he put in eight hours a day praying in tongues and I’ll tell you this man now walks in the Spirit.  And people that have read his book have finally understood the value of praying in tongues and it just supernaturally creates a desire for people to do it and shows you exactly what your accomplishing.  I can tell you testimonies of people that have gotten a hold of this book and they thought there was no ministry for them, they just thought they were going a regular person and God opened up such supernatural ministries as a result of it. But Donner it is hard to believe but you were literally one of the youngest prostitutes in America.  Tell me a bit about your family growing up.

Donner: Well, we came from a broken home Sid my Mom out of fear began drinking and she became an alcoholic at a very young age and we lived in farm labor camps I guess where migrant workers lived and traveled from here to there and crops.  And we lived usually in well a lot of times in just a one room shack kind of and all of us slept in the same bed.  And we had no bathroom or anything in our home.  But when she was drinking and stuff the fear would come and men would come and we’d get, well I got molested many times but by the time I was four she sold me to some people that couldn’t have children for $200.

Sid: My goodness, did you…of course your four years old but you still must have comprehended or did you comprehend what was going on?

Donner:  Well, I just knew that I couldn’t see my brothers and sisters and I’d cry and cry for them and my Uncle Leon he couldn’t stand it anymore they said and so they come and stole me back.  And then he hid me at his brother’s house which is my Uncle Fabian and that’s how I found out how much it cost because the lady came banging on the door saying “I want her back I paid 200 good dollars for her.

Sid: And then on your 6^th Birthday your grandfather decided to take care of you, what happened?

Donner:   Well, again Mom got in a situation where she had no money, no food and we were eating literally out of garbage cans and it was just a really hard time so my Grandfather came, which is my Mom’s Dad and he got us and he got us.  And he got us a big box of groceries, chicken and all of that stuff and I thought he did it just for my Birthday and so he immediately became my hero.  And by December that was in November and by December he began molesting me; I was devastated because he really was the Apple of my eye.      

Sid: And he by about the age of ten you were starting to react to all of this stuff that was happening to you and you were actually getting kind of mean and how did he try to control you?

Donner:  Well with Grandpa it could be several different ways I mean he was forever yelling at us and telling us how dumb we were.  It was so hard even on my oldest brother that way, but Dave when he would kick you, he’d walk by and kick you and call you lazy and stupid and he had a little hand plows and we used to work in the field with hand plows and different things. But if you really got out of control he would threaten to put you in an orphanage and/or he would kill your favorite pet because we lived on a farm.

Sid: No wonder when you were fifteen you met the love of your life but it didn’t work out that way, tell me about it.

Donner: No it didn’t work out I was trying to escape and when you’re trying to escape something and you don’t know the Lord you make really bad decisions and since I was taught that basically I was told I would never be able to wear a wedding dress or anything like that I was kind of a shame already I didn’t feel like it mattered what I did and so when I got pregnant he ran out.  And it was extremely difficult because he was half Filipino and my Mom was more angry that he was half Filipino than the fact that I got pregnant before I was married so then it was just escalated from bad to worse.

Sid: Well they really, your mother really didn’t want you to carry the baby I mean did she really start hitting you in your stomach to kill the baby?

Donner:   Well, first of all she tried sending out people from an orphanage to intimidate me to give him up and then at early stages she tried to talk me into getting an abortion and I wouldn’t do that either.  I was very stubborn and then when I was eight months pregnant that was about when Kennedy got assassinated Mom was drinking and she tried to hit me in the stomach.  She said that “It should have been me or my bastard child that died, not the Kennedy.  And I was devastated to the point that they almost me when I did have him because I was in shock and trauma and my mom and them wouldn’t stay with me even during the labor; they just dropped me off at the hospital and left me.

Sid: Donner as I’m hearing how you were raised human’s must have a lot of survival instinct you shouldn’t have even made it to but of course by sixteen you decided you have got the solution, you got married and you would live happily ever after but that is not the way the script read did it.

Donner: No, he was angry himself and he never could accept my son you know he just couldn’t and he would get very physically and mentally abusive and so that marriage only lasted two years and produced one more child.

Sid: So now your a single parent two children not much going for you so you do what a lot of people do you got into drugs.  And in fact someone slipped an LSD on you and what affect did it have?

Donner:  I thought that I was going to die to be honest with you I had hallucinations.   I dreamed a friend of mine, I didn’t dream I hallucinated I guess that a friend of mine that had died called me on the telephone and my hair was down to my waist in those days, I saw black widows in my  hair and I almost pulled all my hair out.  I quit driving for a year because I kept thinking people were jumping out in front of me and it was a very trying time.

Sid: But then why did you get into witchcraft?

Donner: Well, when I was a child I had a lot of prophetic dreams, you know my younger brother when I was in the third grad I dreamed he went to war with an Asian type people but I didn’t know being that young I didn’t know who.  And when he was eighteen he was off to Vietnam but this intimidated and scared some of my relatives; one uncle in particular.  And so he would accuse me of being a witch and I think that’s how I slipped into it because it would put fear into him and then he wouldn’t hit you or anything, you could make him run.  So that’s how I learned to intimidate.

Sid: Now did you get pretty deep into witchcraft?

Donner: Yes, I did.

Sid: And what was your purpose, what was your objective?

Donner:  It was self preservation, I didn’t want people to hurt me anymore.

Sid: But what about the reverse, we’re you trying to get back at people through your hexes and things?

Donner: Some there was some I really tried and I was doing well with it I mean things were happening to those people I could unleash demons and they could go do things to them.  And then I targeted Christians even because they would come up judgmental judging because my Mom drank the way she had and they were you know not very kind people so I would pray against Christians too.  And when they would try to preach I’d even sick my dog on them, which weighed about 100 and something pounds.

Sid: My goodness things were going from bad to worse with you and your behavior became pretty violent.

Donner: Yeah, I was…unfortunately I can honestly say I used to really put fear in people.  I could terrify some of the best.

Sid:  You actually shot at people and stabbed people.

Donner: I never stabbed anyone I cut them with a glass which is the same thing, I mean I made them bleed,but it was when they wouldn’t leave me alone or anything and I’d tell them to take their hands off of me and he did not it.  So I hit him with a…  I was in a bar and I hit him with half a glass of beer and I cut him their eyebrow and on down to their cheek.

Sid: Did you see much purpose in living?

Donner:  No except to raise my children and I tried not to do a lot of things in front of them but I was still pretty volatile.

Sid: I tell you what Mishpochah we’re going to pick up here right at this point on tomorrow broadcast with Donner but this is such a miraculous, miraculous deliverance.  And one of the reasons she got free is she learned of the value of praying in unknown tongues.  And then a few years later she was reunited with her brother Dave Roberson who as you know wrote the book “The Walk of the Spirit” and the Walk of Power.”  And this book explained what she was doing in her life but there are ministries waiting for some of you right now…I know people and in fact Donner was telling me before we went on the air people that have been set free from so many things by praying long hours in the Holy Spirit…

Sid: What happens if your granddaughter is frolicking, swimming, just 4 ½ years of age in your backyard swimming pool and the grandmother goes up the sliding board to slide down and doesn’t even realize that her granddaughter is following up right behind her and she had a knee problem, the grandmother, and so she falls and hit’s her granddaughter and her granddaughter goes flying off.  Remember now this is 9 feet up in the air on the bottom is just cement, and she falls and I have the Grandmother on the telephone, her name is Mary Jo, or her family calls her Ma Jo Pennington.  I’m speaking to her at that same home in Brandon, Florida. Ma Jo that had to be the biggest nightmare of your life, but as your husband explained yesterday she was supernaturally caught up by these big angels and didn’t even fall normal and just had a tiny scratch that a bandage took care of.  But she should have been dead and then and you didn’t know this but then when your granddaughter got on the telephone with her mother what did she tell your daughter?

Mary Jo: Her mother?  She said “She heard God yell, save the children, catch Victoria” and 6 big, big, big angles caught her and zoom took her up to Heaven.  She told us the color of their hair, they have different colors of hair; she described the angels.  And about the time that she was describing the angels and one had pale orange hair, one had red hair, one had light purple hair that was kind of blue and one would shine bright and one was golden.  The phone rang and her mother said “Ask her if she saw God?”  Well, I hadn’t even thought of that, I said “Victoria, did you see God?”  She said “Ah, hah” and I said “What was He doing?”  She said “Him was writing in a book, actually two really old phone books.”  And so then I asked her what God looked like.  And she said “Really shiny, bright shine, His hair was shine white in all colors and His robe was white and shiny.” And I asked her if God said anything to her.  Now these things are out of sequence because latter we can tell you the whole story, but she told me right then at that moment she said “Him didn’t talk, Him didn’t say.” Him say without talking always do what He say,” He said “Always do what I saw with His hands on my face.”  (Laughing)

Sid: Now again she’s using, she’s quoting the exact words of her granddaughter who was 4½ years.

Mary Jo: She doesn’t say that now, but she’s just like that.

Sid: Right, now did she tell you that she was afraid by this experience?

Mary Jo: She said she was scared when she first went in there, but when she was on God’s lap she wasn’t scared anymore.

Sid: She actually sat on His lap?

Mary Jo: Yes, she did.

Sid: My goodness, what a call on her life. We’ll go into later on this week the things that are going on in her life and the things that she knows.  But you wrote this book and where’d the title come from “Six Big, Big, Big Angels.”

Mary Jo: Yes, because the first thing she said was, “Six Big, big, big angels caught me and zoom took me right up to Heaven.”

Sid: What do you believe God wants to accomplish through this book?

Mary Jo: Oh there’s so many messages to people from this book and we haven’t even gotten into any of if yet but she spent a lot of time at the Baby Place and she saw the little tiny tiny babies all over the place.  

Sid:   Well, what’s the baby, this is in Heaven, what’s the Baby Place?

Mary Jo:   The Baby Place, the first Baby Place she went to was a huge beautiful building and she said “There were babies in front of her, babies over here on the left of her, little tiny babies on the right of her, babies behind her.  She said “Babies everywhere maybe sixty.  She said, “Jesus, He fixed them there, this is where the babies were first brought, the little tiny ones that she could hold in her hand.”

Sid: Now assume you talking about aborted babies, and her 4 ½ year old vocabulary, well how did she describe this whole thing in her words?

Mary Jo: Well, when she finally did tell me exactly what these babies were she said “You remember that first little tiny baby I held in my hands Ma Jo Lynn” because she gave her a name.  I said “Yes.” Her was squeezed out of her Mom’s pully pop before her was big enough to live”

Sid: So she was…she really doesn’t understand what was going on but she could describe this.

Mary Jo: Yes.   

Sid: Tell me more about these babies.

Mary Jo:   Well, these babies are fixed by Jesus over in the big baby place. While they’re there this is when she started telling us about television and Heaven.  When they’re first fixed and made whole they are given a brain, they can understand and see and hear and talk immediately after Jesus and the angels fix them.  They are trained right from that moment forward before they’re given…before they go over to the beautiful room that I’ll tell you about later. They are trained by seeing something much like a movie or much like TV but it comes out and it’s real.  I would suggest maybe it looks like hologram but they are taught about Jesus from before His birth when Mary is spoken to by Gabriel until His whole life.  They see, they love Him, they are taught to praise and worship Him as the shepherds come.

Sid: You know your book has something in it that is so helpful for anyone that has been part of an abortion, and has been traumatized, or just stuffed it.  Tell me some of the insights that would be helpful.

Mary Jo:  Well, when she told me about these babies and I can tell you more tomorrow about them personally because I know some of them, but I asked her after she told me.

Sid: What do you mean, you know some of them?

Mary Jo:  One of them was the grandchild of some friends of ours and they had just told me about her about two or three days before Victoria fell, and she talked to her there and she gave her her name.  And she said “Her lived with Uncle Tommy.”

Sid: And did she know that the baby had died?

Mary Jo: No, she didn’t know about that.

Sid: My goodness that had to be pretty conclusive evidence to you.

Mary Jo: It was a shock, I’ll tell you my heart almost stopped beating. She told me that the baby was sad for a little bit and she whispered a secret to her and it was many months before she told me what the secret was.  But she actually gave that baby her own name and we call her little Victoria. This child is growing up in Heaven and she Victoria sees her often and tells me you know about her birthday party and different things.

Sid: What do these, not this particular one but what does these aborted babies think about their parents?

Mary Jo:  Well, I asked her, I said “Victoria do the babies hold it against their mothers for giving them up?  And she said “Oh Ma Jo the mommy’s never give up the babies they will always love the babies and the babies will always love the mommy’s.

Sid: And one of the things I want to explain to you is that Victoria the granddaughter who at the time that this first occurred was 4 ½ years of age, keeps having these visitations to Heaven. I mean do you know how many she’s had?

Mary Jo: Oh no we could never keep up with it, I suspect well she can just lay in bed at night and as we’re saying prayers and she opens her eyes and can see God.  And she can often see Him that way and her mother says “How can you play, how do you walk around and do normal things?”  She said “I just don’t look up.”

Sid: Tell me how helpful your brand new book titled “Six Big, Big, Big Angels” is for people that had abortions?

Mary Jo:  Oh my, this will help them to understand that…and it will open the wound, the hard knot of pain that’s hidden deep down inside; it will open it up and it will break their heart but then they can grieve for their baby and they can actually name it and ask God to forgive them.  And start thinking about the baby because when they think about the baby the bay knows it, the baby know, they keep up with their parents.  They keep up with their daddies and their mommies and they grandparents, they know what they’re doing and if you think about them and ask God to forgive you and ask your baby they hear you.  They have forgiven you, Jesus taught them forgiveness and the baby has forgiven the mommy but the mommy has to forgive herself and she has to be willing to let Jesus clean her out and bring her peace and her life can be made whole again.

Sid: Now, in addition to the Baby Room which has all these aborted babies, you’re getting such insight…do you have any idea why your granddaughter was selected to do this and come back and report on these things?

Mary Jo: No idea at all, I had no idea for a long long time why she saw these little babies. She saw their little teddy bears, little tiny.. their beautiful room with  flowers growing up but their animals that they play with are alive and they’re like angelic creatures, but they’re alive and they smell good and they sing to the babies. And they keep them company but they change, they can be little for the little tiny babies that fit in Victoria’s hands they can be as little as that.  And also the babies have access to a wonderful, or many wonderful kangaroos that must be angelic creatures.  And Victoria and one of the little babies went for a ride in the pouch and one of the little babies nestle down in there, the pouch smells good and it’s warm and cozy.  And I suspect that it reminds them of their mother’s womb when they were carried there.  And I think that’s for their own healing and recovery of their little heart because when they…

Sid: Now, some of things that you are saying sound to the people that are listening so outrageous, but one of the reasons that I’, interviewing you is little Victoria saw so many things that she had no way of knowing that are right out of the Bible.

Mary Jo: Absolutely.

Sid: The other things the Bible doesn’t comment on and I find this interesting.

Sid: I have to tell you on yesterday’s broadcast Steve Hill was sharing how God took him out of the deathbed. He was in fact, Steve what did the Hospice workers say to you just before you said “Enough is enough?”

Steve: No they were just doing their job okay and I’m real careful about using name of organizations, but that’s fine, the bottom line is that it was over alright they’d been there done that and they knew.

Sid: How much time did they say that you could live?

Steve: Just a few days

Sid: That’s what I thought. You know there’s something about even though you had been prayed for by the best, even though you had prayed for all you were worth, even though you’ve seen 100’s of 1000’s of miracles of people with cancer, people on their deathbed, but there was something about you reached a point and you said “I’m going off of all medications, all of the radiation, and the chemo and all of these things.” It took you months to get that out of your system. It was gradual you explain that, but how does a doctor explain you have the amount of energy you have right now?

Steve: Let me tell you what I prayed to the Lord and some people that are listening you think I’m super spiritual “I am extremely spiritual but during this time I was not having two and three hour devotions with the Lord.  I couldn’t even, I couldn’t read the Bible, I couldn’t understand television, I called my wife if you were listening to yesterday’s broadcast I called her George.  And her name is Jerry.  And I was gone and so I prayed a prayer Sid I said “Jesus” it doesn’t look good, if you let me live I’ll tell You what I’m going to do I will win another million people to you; now Lord if I die I’m with You and that’s really to die is gain the Bible says Jesus.”  And I was just talking to Him He was just, Jesus in me alone.  And friend listener, you got to get to a place where it’s you and Jesus alone where it doesn’t it not somebody else interpreting everything you’re talking to Jesus.  And I said, “If You let me live” and He knew I wasn’t talking about a million more you know choir members. He knew I was talking about radical, radical evangelism that I’d win people to Him that have never ever known the Lord.  And that’s what we’re doing.

Sid: Okay, you have the energy level that you have I know few people that can do what you’re doing right now. God obviously took you up on that and you’ve got your work cut out for you are you’re going to make a million Steve Hill’s; that’s what I believe God wants you to do.  And so Steve the reason I contacted you is I heard about the open vision; tell me about it.

Steve: Just a few weeks ago I was sitting in my living room all alone and I start talking to Jesus. As I was talking to the Lord something happened that I never had happen before in my life.  He instructed me to close my eyes and He began, the only way I can say this is in modern day lingo is he downloaded a full color vision into my spirit about what’s going on in the western church, and how it’s spreading all over the world, and how I have been saved from death to help stop this avalanche of false teaching.  Let me go one step further, as we talk about this vision many that are listening and you’re going to understand this so well, “You’re going to see yourself in this vision and in the book,” Sid you are called to blowup this avalanche.  And an avalanche is piling up of snow, it can be a foot, two feet, four feet, five feet but it piles up.  And when it piles up if it’s not destroyed it’s going to come down the mountainside and kill everything in its path.  And what is happening right now so much false teaching is piling up, one on top of the other that if we don’t do something about it it’s going to come sweeping down on innocent Christians who have been listening and partaking of this candy, of this food that is actually poison and they’re going to be spiritually killed. I speak to you audience and I speak to you Sid as one whose experiencing that right now because the vision is online, it’s out there.  People are calling, people are away from God they’re asking me to forgive them, they’re asking Jesus to forgive them, they see themselves as one of those that is being destroyed by the teaching of today. I just know without a doubt that this is an open vision and I can talk about that from the Lord.

Sid: Okay, I want you to explain to me what you saw step by step.  Now I know that there is no way we can handle anything close to everything you saw in the teaching and that’s why we’re going to be offering your brand new book that’s not in the bookstores yet called “Spiritual Avalanche” and your 5 CD’s I want everyone to be mentored by Steve Hill to move in the supernatural, and the 5 CD’s are titled “Operating in the Miraculous.” So tell me about that vision Steve.

Steve: For those that are listening and I say that quite often with radio broadcasts and television, I’ve been doing radio and television like you Sid for many, many decades.  You can watch or listen but not be watching and listening. For those that are listening you will understand this word avalanche when you see the book you see the bedded predominate word; it’s going to jump out at you.  Not the spiritual but the avalanche that could kill millions, okay avalanche is what I saw.  And I’m just going to give it to you very quickly so listen, as I was sitting in my chair on my couch the Lord started giving me a full picture of a ski resort.  Now I am a skier I’m a downhill skier, my whole family is so I understood the places if you live in America like Avail Colorado, and Aspen, and some of these resorts they’re all Breckenridge there all just beautiful villages.  Swiss looking chalet’s and that’s exactly what I saw.  I saw people running around laughing having a great time and the details are all in the book and I saw so many details.  And then the Lord began to reveal to me as the people went to their homes to go sleep, went to their condos, they went to their chalets they went to their hotels the Lord showed me there was a group that was not going to the hotels and that was the avalanche patrol they were on full alert because it was about to snow.

Sid: Well, I’ll tell you the thought that that’s coming to me, sounds to me like you’re describing the days of Noah; that’s what you’re describing they were marrying, they were working they were doing every…they were busy with the activities of this life and they didn’t know that that avalanche was going on.

Steve: I hope I have a couple of minutes because this is what I saw.  The ski patrol mounted helicopters, ski mobiles and then one group actually operating antitank artillery they set it up on the streets.  Now remember I’m watching this, I’ve never seen this in my life and they began going up the hill, they began sticking dynamite into the mountain.  They began blowing up the mountain from the helicopters, then they began shooting shells, massive shells from those artillery guns into the mountains and they were blowing up the avalanche knowing that in just a few hours if they didn’t do their job then skiers who had come to just enjoy life would die.  Now spiritually if we don’t do our job as prophets, evangelists, as teachers, pastors; if we don’t do our job then who is going to destroy the avalanche of false teaching that’s going to come down the hill and kill millions of people.  It’s already killing millions, I’m on the phone almost every day with young people that are saying “I’ve got to get out of here, I’ve got to get out of here.”  My own daughter Sid was taught two weeks ago that now that now that she’s a Christian she can do anything she wants, she can sin, she can go to bed with her boyfriend, she can do drugs, she can drink because she’s a Christian and she’s saved and nothing is going to separate her from God.  And I want to tell you something nothing more will separate you from God then that type of teaching because only the holy will see the Lord.

Sid: Well, again there is no way we can cover everything that’s why they’re going  to need the book.  But I can tell you that God has put in my heart even before I talked with you and saw the vision a lot of this false teaching it’s rampant.  It’s literally an avalanche right now; you can’t watch most Christian TV and listen to most Christian radio without hearing some of this teaching coming out.  Now unfortunately we’re out of time but we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.

Sid:  I can’t think of a better time to be alive; I can’t think of a better time to have intimacy with God, everything is about ready to happen. The thing that all of the prophets and all of the believers before us have been praying and fasting for this is the generation that is going to see it. The spiritual scales are literally coming off of the eyes of Jewish people; Israel is a modern day nation. The nations of the world are trying to come against Israel and destroy it, they won’t be able to because God says in Amos once He draws the Jewish people back to the land no one will ever drive them out again. Doesn’t mean there won’t be problems, but I tell you Israel is a Jewish nation getting ready to welcome the King. You and I have been given the high privilege, the high privilege of preparing the body, of promoting the kingdom of God; in order to do this the New Covenant church is deficient without the Jewish branches being grafted back into the olive tree. That’s why Paul said “Salvation has come to the Gentile” this is Romans 11:11 “to provoke the Jew to jealousy.” The call of the Gentile Christian is to reach the Jew; the call of the Jew was to reach the Gentile so that we are all equal in the Messiah. This is it.  I have on the telephone Ayelet and Sean Steckbeck. Ayelelt… they’re a perfect One New Man couple. Ayelet is sabra, a native born Israeli, Sean comes from a Gentile Christian background and the 2 have become one. We found out the amazing testimony of Ayelet where literally human agency didn’t lead her to God, Jesus Himself, the Holy Spirit, led her to know the Messiah. So she was so hungry for God she heard about a revival and she literally went to this revival for 3 months in Brownsville in around the year 2000.  She was at a meeting in which Sean, who became her husband, was… Sean was a waiter in a restaurant and a woman argued with the Holy Spirit and finally said “Okay.” So she went into the restaurant and had a word for Sean. What did she say to you?

Sean:  She came up to me and she said “I don’t know you but I was on a 40 day fast and the Lord told me to walk into this restaurant, and the young that would be my server has a call to Israel.” So she told me this, and I was like “Okay I believe in prophecy; I’ve been prophesied over before, but never anything like this.” At first I thought it was a little weird, but I said “Okay, I’m gonna test this.” She invited me over to her house. So I went over to house the next day, and I knocked on the door and there was that girl that I saw at the Israeli prayer flag that I thought she was really cute praying.

Sid:  This is Ayelet and of course, for those that didn’t hear, you had known the Messiah most of your life; you’ve walked with Him, and you hadn’t even kissed a woman before. So now you didn’t think in terms of marriage, you just thought “Well she’s a cute girl,” but then you get this prophetic word about Israel, then what happens?

Sean:  When she saw me in the door, coming to the door, the Lord told her…

Sid:  Ayelet, wait a second. Ayelet what did you hear from the Lord?

Ayelet:  I heard the Lord say “This is your husband.” It was pretty clear, but I remember my first response was “Okay I need to check this word.” [Laughing]

Sid:  [Laughing]

Ayelet:  So I didn’t tell him that until a year or so later when he already came to Israel to propose.

Sid:  Well Sean what took you so long? [Laughing]

Sean and Ayelet:  [Laughing]

Sean:  Well I wasn’t, you know, I’d just been going after God my whole life and you know I wanted to just test this word. She gave me Hebrew lessons, and she began to be my Hebrew teacher because she said she believed in my call to Israel. In one of the prayer meetings she laid hands on me and prayed the Aaronic Benediction and anointed my right ear lobe, my right thumb, and my right toe like they did to the Aaronic priest, and I felt like it was like a hot liquid fire coming from the top of my head to the soul of my feet. I really felt like the Lord confirmed that I was called to Israel right then and there. Then she left, and I never told her I loved her, and she never told me she loved me, but we kept in touch as friends. Until a year later after I met her, I had already graduated the school. I worked a job in the factory, and I called her up and I said “Ayelet would you like to take our relationship further?”  She said “I’ve been praying for the Lord to give you the guts to ask me that, but there is only one thing you need to know. I am not called to live in America, I’m called to live in Israel.”

Sid: [Laughing]

Sean:  “If you want to marry me, if in condition that you live in Israel and you have to check it out before you even make that decision.” So six months later I saved up and came to Israel stayed there for a couple of months and there I proposed. We came back to America, we got married because a Jewish person is not allowed to marry a Gentile in Israel. So then we came back to Israel to serve God.

Sid:  Now before we find out the exciting thing God has for both of you doing in Israel, and to me it’s high adventure. I want to hear a little bit in reference to when Ayelet you were taken up in the spirit and you saw the Holy of Holies, and the Ark of the Covenant. What did you see in the Ark of the Covenant?

Ayelet:  That was when I just got saved and I was still, you know, just came out of the Orthodox teachings. My question before I saw that was “If I didn’t receive the teachings of the rabbis as the Torah, the oral Torah, how can I accept the New Testament as Torah?” Then the Lord took me in the Spirit into the Holy of Holies and when the Ark of the Covenant opened up I saw the Tenach, the Old Testament, and the Brit Hadashah, the New Testament. So it settled in my Spirit that was divine from God.

Sid:  Tell me about, obviously your parents are Jewish, and I didn’t realize it, is your whole family from Brazil?

Ayelet:  My dad is from Brazil he was raised in Brazil.

Sid:  He had a serious heart problem, what happened?

Ayelet:  Right. He had, not this Rosh Hashanah, but the Rosh Hashanah before in the Jewish New Year. They took him to the hospital with his arteries clogged, but they couldn’t treat him through the holidays so he had to wait in the hospital. So we went… Sean and I we went to pray for him, we laid our hands on his heart and we prayed, of course in Yeshua’s name. The next day when they took the video camera to check his arteries, all his arteries were completely open, more than a few years ago when he had the same condition.

Sid:  Two weeks after what happened?

Ayelet:  He prayed to accept Yeshua, and he loves Yeshua, yeah.

Sid:  Now Sean, tell me a bit about what you 2 do in Israel.

Sean:  We do evangelism, first of all we were youth leaders in Tel Aviv for 2 years; helped raise up a youth group there, and helped raise up its leaders and release them. Train up the Israeli’s in the power of God, native born, indigenous, sabra, Hebrew speaking Israelis. We really strongly believe now is the time to see Hebrew speaking Israeli’s come to the faith.

Sid:  Okay, are you seeing… of course you haven’t been there that long, but I can tell you it’s highly unusual for an Israeli to come to the Lord every week. I’m told in some congregations this is what’s going on.

Sean:  Yes in our home congregation where we were youth leaders, we had in the last 3 years we’ve had an Israeli native born, Hebrew speaking come to Yeshua every single week. This is absolutely outstanding because before 3 years ago this was unheard of, and that is one of the reasons we really see a need to disciple these indigenous Israelis and see them start winning people to the Lord, them start being used in the power of God praying for the sick and seeing words of knowledge, and words of wisdom, and healing. We really believe that now is the time to release the indigenous Israelis because now we are beginning to see them come in at such a level that we believe it’s important for them to be the leaders.

Sid:  Now I understand you have a unique gift, that when you speak many times the prophetic starts operating on the people listening, explain.

Sean:  This is actually… well I’ve always believed in the prophetic, and we talk a lot about Israel in the churches when we come to America. Just recently this past time, I don’t know what happened, it just started happening but I started getting lots of words of knowledge and just started calling them out. We are beginning to see healing come with those words of knowledge. To me it’s been kind of an adventure because it was something I wasn’t used to. It’s been like…

Sid:  Tell me one thing you’ve seen from a word of knowledge.

Sean:  I just tell you what happened in a church I had spoken in Tampa. There was a church that had invited me to speak in Tampa about Israel, and afterwards that invited me to give them… help with something that is called a Prophetic Presbytery, a room where everyone gets together and starts prophesying over people.  I was with a team of 4, and every single person that came in everybody had prophetic words, but for some reason the Holy Spirit gave me words of knowledge. One person I got a word of knowledge for him, and I said “You have a shoulder problem” and he said “Yeah.” I said “The Lord is healing that right now” and I laid hands on him. He turned as red a tomato, I’ve never seen anything like it his face was like plum red. He started heating up and taking off his clothes. It happened to be that he had a bus hit him, and the doctors had to take muscles out of his shoulder.

Sid:  Bottom line, was he healed?

Sean:  The Holy Spirit restored muscles in his shoulder.

Sid:  Okay, we’ll pick up here on tomorrow’s broadcast.

SID: Now Chester, God revealed to you a super stronghold, and I can’t wait for you to explain it.

CHESTER: It was amazing. We had been ministering, applying the integrated approach we had been talking about. One day we’re ministering to this lady and I said, “You’ve got these three different things, shame, fear and control, and they’re working together in a very major way, and I don’t understand it, but I know it’s really important.” And says to me, “How does it work?” And I said, “I just told you, I don’t understand.” And then I heard come out of my mouth, “Because of abandonment we get ashamed, shamed and rejected, and we think there’s something the matter with me.” That’s the basics of shame. And then out of the shame we get fearful. Well what if other people find out about my inadequacies, stuff like that. And we get a place to control them that I’m not going to let them find out. And so we put up walls. We get aggressive. We turn inward. Lots of ways.

SID: When you have a group and you’re teaching this, and you say, how many think that this is affecting you? What percentage would say that?

CHESTER: Well I usually don’t ask them that way because it’s shaming to admit that you have shame.

SID: Sorry.

CHESTER: So it’s an issue. But as we minister to people, we estimate over 80 percent in the United States are what we call shame-based.

SID: And if someone doesn’t get rid of it, what’s going to happen with their destiny from God?

CHESTER: Well certainly hindered, may be preventive. I mean, it’s really serious stuff. And as we see people get free of that super stronghold of shame, fear and control, and get released to where they can be led by the Holy Spirit and no longer in fear, you know, I’m afraid to take a risk, did you notice the Christian life requires taking a risk?

SID: That’s my middle name.

CHESTER: Yeah. And what if we can’t do it, you know? If we’re held back we’re not going to fully fulfill our destiny.

SID: Well tell me, actually, I got an email today and I believe that God has an answer for this from the two of you. Here it says, “I watch Sid regularly. I often times hear him saying, ‘someone with a back pain is being healed, someone struggling with depression is being healed, etc., etc.’ Has Sid ever felt anyone being healed from homosexuality? Is that even possible? I have never seen a single anointed person or pastor ever even mention a healing from it. Is that because no one wants to talk about it or does it not happen? I know many people, including myself, who have prayed about it and gotten not even a hint of a response from God. I’m not asking for resources. I’m asking if you have a clear understanding and message for me, maybe from a past experience.” Well I can tell you, we have interviewed people that have spent a lifetime in homosexuality and a lifetime being married, happily, to a woman, a man married to a woman with children. What is your experience?

BETSY: Well we have experience of helping people come out of homosexuality.

SID: Tell me one.

BETSY: Okay. I want to tell you one that really was supernatural. Sometimes they’re a process. Sometimes they just happen. This was a young, attractive man in his probably 30s who had been gay as long as he could remember. He had prostituted himself many years and he was in the middle stages of HIV positive. So he was not looking at a very bright future. And we were ministering to him, and first he recommitted his life to the Lord.

CHESTER: And we helped him get really serious about his healing. This is not a game of playing with God. This is serious business. So we took him to the integrated approach and did everything we knew to do.

BETSY: And God had begun to heal his heart of a lot of deep rejection, wounds by his father and some sexual abuse wounds. And then Chester, remember that day that we just stood there with our hands on his shoulders and just cried out to the Lord and said, “Lord, we don’t have anything else. Please come and just touch this man.” And we were just praying in our prayer language. And all of a sudden we saw these tears rolling down his face, and we saw him kind of expand his chest. Do you remember what he said?

CHESTER: Yeah. He said, “I feel fuller, solider and I want to go be with the guys, but not like the past. I want to just be with the guys.” And in that instance God changed his spirit from the feminine demonic influence he had to masculine.

SID: What happened to his HIV?

CHESTER: He got worse.

BETSY: He got worse.

CHESTER: He kept getting worse.

BETSY: A year later, we went down in the city that he lived. He was at a AIDS patient home preparing to die, and we went to say goodbye and pray for him one last time. And he said, “You know something. I’m going to declare the goodness of the Lord every breath to my last breath.” And we said, “Go for it. You know, we have a good God.” And he did. And little by little, God healed him. And he is alive today. Hallelujah.

SID: Chester, there are many people dealing with shame. Please pray for people to be free of shame right now.

CHESTER: Just pray with me. And the first step is, Lord, I acknowledge that I’ve allowed shame to control my life and that I have a shame-based personality.

SID: Lord, I acknowledge that I’ve allowed, say this with me, Lord, I acknowledge that I have had a shame-life and that I have allowed the enemy to access me.

CHESTER: Lord, I confess all the sins of my ancestors.

BETSY & SID: Lord, I confess all the sins of my ancestors.

CHESTER: Parents.

BETSY & SID: Parents.

CHESTER: All the authority figures in my life.

BETSY & SID: All the authority figures in my life.

CHESTER: Everybody that has sinned against me.

BETSY & SID: Everybody that has sinned against me.

CHESTER: That would cause me to give place to this shame.

BETSY & SID: That would cause me to give place to this shame.

CHESTER: I forgive them all, Lord.

BETSY & SID: I forgive them all, Lord.

CHESTER: Lord, I ask you to forgive me now.

BETSY & SID: Lord, I ask you to forgive me now.

CHESTER: As I have forgiven them.

BETSY & SID: As I have forgiven them.

CHESTER: Lord, I choose to forgive myself.

BETSY & SID: Lord, I choose to forgive myself.

CHESTER: For all the stupid things I’ve done.

BETSY & SID: For all the stupid things I’ve done.

CHESTER: To enhance this shame.

BETSY & SID: To enhance this same.

CHESTER: And give it place in my life.

BETSY & SID: And give it place in my life.

CHESTER: I break my covenant with shame.

BETSY & SID: I break my covenant with shame.

CHESTER: With fear and with control.

BETSY & SID: With fear and with control.

CHESTER: I dismiss all the demons I’ve given legal rights to.

BETSY & SID: I dismiss all demons I’ve given legal rights to.

CHESTER: I command you to leave me and my family line.

BETSY & SID: I command you to leave me and my family line.

CHESTER: Lord, renew my mind now.

BETSY & SID: Lord, renew my mind now.

CHESTER: Let me see myself as you see me.

BETSY & SID: Let me see myself as you see me.

CHESTER: And Lord, I trust in the coming days.

BETSY & SID: Lord, I trust in the coming days.

CHESTER: You’ll come and heal all the hurts in my heart.

BETSY & SID: You’ll come and heal all the hurts in my heart.

CHESTER: That have given place to shame.

BETSY & SID: That’s given place to shame.

CHESTER: Lord, tonight.

BETSY & SID: Lord, tonight.

CHESTER: I declare war on shame.

BETSY & SID: I declare on shame.

CHESTER: I will not stop the war.

BETSY & SID: I will not stop the war.

CHESTER: Until I’m totally free.

BETSY & SID: Until I’m totally free.

CHESTER: In Jesus’ name.

BETSY & SID: In Jesus’ name.

CHESTER: Amen.

BETSY & SID: Amen.

BETSY: Thank you Lord.

Sid: I am so excited about my guest he’s been a guest before, Dr. Robert Heidler. I’m featuring his book “Set Yourself Free” it’s actually the most practical deliverance manual I’ve ever seen. If I had interviewed him 10 years ago I don’t think I could have been as excited because 5 years ago the Holy Spirit began to show him how simple deliverance is. How you can at the specific sin areas; how people can repent and how it doesn’t have to be messy, or complex. In fact, Robert I have a copy of your book right here, and I’m looking at page 84; you talk about a subject called “Spiritual Pollution.” What is Spiritual Pollution?

Robert: Well Spiritual Pollution Sid is when things come into our homes, come into our lives that have demonic powers attached to them. The Bible says there are things that can actually pollute our spiritual environment. When those things are present then we live under the oppression of the enemy just because of the presence of those things in our lives…

Sid: I’m reading in your book right now; you list them of course because most people wouldn’t even realize it that they can be objects used in pagan worship, or occult practices such as crystal balls, Ouija boards, things related to astrology, good luck charms, objects exalting or promoting evil like demonic or occultic games. People can really get into bondage with games such as Dungeons and Dragons, is that correct?

Robert: Oh definitely, definitely.

Sid: Then you list things in New Age… also I like the idea of these symptoms. If you have the book handy you might want to read from page 84.

Robert: Yes here’s some of the things that happen we experience when we have spiritual pollution. It can be continual bad dreams and nightmares, insomnia, lack of peace, a lot of fighting and arguing in the family; Children are restless, disturbed, have a lot of behavioral problems; People see ghosts or demonic apparitions in the home; there’s foul unexplained odors; there’s just a heaviness in the atmosphere that makes it hard to breath; there’s on going unexplained illness, continual headaches and nausea.  Now some of the things can be caused by other things, but when you begin to see those things one of the first thing to check is to see if there is spiritual pollution in the house.

Sid: Now I read a few, but tell me a few of the things that… give me some examples of what might be spiritual pollution in the house.

Robert: Well one of the most common things is people by literally idols that have been made as objects of worship for a false god, and they buy them to decorate their homes with.

Sid: Well for instance I see a lot of these mask people pick up in Africa and they put on the wall. Those are for tourist or could they carry a demonic presence?

Robert: Oh they very often do, and it’s amazing most malls today, you walk through the malls, and their home décor shops filled with idols; Buddhas, and statues of various gods masks. People don’t realize that very often they are bringing spiritual forces into their home and it produces desolation in the home. You know Daniel talks about the abomination that produces desolations. Very often the presence of an idol or an object like that will produce spiritual desolation.

Sid: What should someone do that they say “Oh I do have that prob…” What about someone that used to be addicted to pornography and has a bunch of pornographic literature in one of their dresser drawers?

Robert: Well that’s another example, it can be objects related to past sin, We did a teaching on this at our church several; we said “We’re gonna give you opportunity to get rid spiritual pollution.” We had some friends that lived out in the country, and we had people search their homes for any spiritual pollution and we ended up with a huge huge stack of things. Made a bonfire that was about 6ft high and about 15ft across, it was amazing how many things were there. People came out of that thing “We are so free, that was wonderful to get those things out of our house.”

Sid: Now you list objects exalting, or promoting evil; includes things such as posters or CD’s with obvious demonic representations. I mean a lot of teenagers have this; books on Satanism, witchcraft, New Age, Free Masonry. Free Masonry?

Robert: Oh definitely.

Sid: Have you seen people that were set free as a result of repenting from being involved in Free Masonry?

Robert: Oh yes. In the area of the country we’re in that is very common for people to have that in their ancestry, for people to have that many many times in their own lives. They’ll be… you know when a person joins the Free Masons at every level they go into there are very specific curses that they give over themselves and over their descendants if they don’t continue in Free Masonry. So they’re literally putting curses on themselves…

Sid: Now when these curses are broken what difference could it make to a person as far as their freedom?

Robert: There are many many different kinds of things that are produced by that spiritually, and when those things are dealt with the oppression is broken. My wife is really the deliverance minister, but she’s shared with me many times of people that go through the specific steps that were taken and renouncing each step.

Sid: Now when you say there were curses, what kind of curses are in Free Masonry?

Robert: Oh there are some dreadful things about, [Laughing] there are some I would not want to repeat on the air, but literal ways of torture and destruction being brought into someone. When those things are dealt with it literally is the breaking of a curse, then people that were living under a curse are set free.

Sid: Now you were talking earlier this week about a woman by the name of Connie. Take me step by step in her deliverance.

Robert: I think hers is one of the clearest that I’ve ever seen, and it was also one of the most traumatic. As I said she was a strong Christian, she loved the Lord, she served the Lord, she was a wife and a mother, she was involved in ministry, but she had a debilitating problem. The problem was literally for a space of about 2 years everyday she had debilitating headaches. They would usually come on in the afternoon, she would have to go and lay down for 2 or 3 hours, literally could not do anything because of the severity of these headaches. She had been to doctor, after doctor, after doctor no one could find a cause, no medicines would work. So finally she came and said “Do you think this could have a spiritual solution?” We began to talk, and the first thing I wanted to see was what was the cause, was there something at the root of this that gave Satan an opportunity. I said “Do you remember when the headaches began?” She said “I remember exactly the day they began.” She said “Our family was going through a time there was a lot tension, we were very busy, it was very stressful, and my husband’s employer was putting some very unreasonable demands on his time. There was one day when his employer called and gave him an assignment that was so unreasonable in its demands.” She said “I just lost my temper, I got furious with that man.” She said “That day the headaches began.” I said “Well you know an outburst of anger like that is sin. That is something that gives the enemy an opportunity to come in and find a place.” I said “Have you ever forgiven your husband’s boss for what he did?” She said “No I never have.” I said “Would you be willing to pray right now and forgive him?” We talked for a few minutes and finally she said “Yes I would be willing to pray and forgive him.” So I led her in a very simple prayer, very specifically forgiving that man and releasing her anger. With that done I then took authority over that spirit of infirmity, I bound it I broke its power, and I commanded it cease and to leave her alone. The whole process did not take more than 20 minutes. That was, as I said about 5 or 6 years ago, and I ran into her last year, I see her from time to time. Every time I see her I say “Anymore headaches?” and she says “I have not had one headache since the day that we prayed.”

Sid: Why is it that so many Christians are afraid of deliverance?

Robert: Their afraid of deliverance partly I think because it deals with something they don’t understand. The idea of a demon sounds very frightening, something that’s very intimidating. Yet we look at the ministry of Yeshua and He cast out demons everywhere He went. It was one of the most common things He did. The other thing is because of the model of deliverance people have seen, and people are afraid if they get deliverance their gonna have to talk in strange voices and curse and roll around on the floor, be embarrassed, it’s a very intimidating thing. It amazes me how many people are willing to come for deliverance with the fear they have of what might happen to them. Yet what we’ve seen people don’t have to go through any of that, we don’t usually talk to demons, we don’t usually let demons manifest. A person can sit in their living room and go through this book.

Sid: You know that’s the most amazing thing you don’t have to find an expert like Dr. Robert Heidler.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. You know, sometimes I kid with people and they say, I watch you on TV almost everyday. And I say, well, I’ll tell you a trade secret. I’m watching you through your television. They don’t know what to make. I’m just kidding, you know. However, my guest has spent 30 years studying the Mark of the Beast, and he says our computers and our television sets have the capability for anyone from the government on down, at will, whether they’re turned on or not to watch what we’re doing right in our office, right in our home. This technology is getting out of control. I’m with my guest Paul McGuire. You might have seen him on Fox News, O’Reilly, History Channel on one of the top viewing shows. But as a young man, he had quite a background. You were raised to hate Christians. You thought the answer was in science and new age. So you go out to the University of Missouri where you’re really debating Christians and you’re going to put them in their place. Guess what his major was? You’ll never guess. I shouldn’t have said guess. His major was altered states of consciousness. That’s a major? And he’s in class one day, and he hears a voice. What does the voice say to you?

PAUL: It was an audible voice, which said, “Surrender to the dark forces within.”

SID: And what did you do about that?

PAUL: I freaked out. I never heard an audible voice before, and I looked around to see if anybody had heard it.

SID: Okay. So he’s tearing these Christians apart, but their love is kind of contagious. So he goes to a retreat meeting and he decides, oh no, they’re all hypocrites. I’m leaving this place. But he doesn’t have a car. So he hitchhikes. Tell me about your adventure.

PAUL: Well right after the religious retreat, which confirmed my worst suspicions about Christianity being a country club religion, the place looks like the “Field of Dreams,” the movie with cornfields in the middle of nowhere. I stick out my thumb on my road. A Pentecostal preacher and his wife pick me up in their car. And being from New York City, I said, okay, great, we’re in the cornfields, and there’s probably a lot of Pentecostal preachers nearby. They share with me the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Then they let me out on the road again. I stick out my thumb again. Within seconds, a station wagon pulls up. It’s a guy in a dark three-piece suit like an undertaker. He’s a Bible salesman.

SID: Does he have any Bibles in his car?

PAUL: Yes. He has, I don’t know, a hundred King James Bibles. You know, the big thick ones.

SID: Oh, I know.

PAUL: So he’s driving down the back roads of Missouri. He lets go of the steering wheel. It looked like a 65-pound King James Bible. He’s looking at me, not the freeway, and he’s preaching, and he gets right down to it. He says, “Did you know that you’re a sinner and that if you don’t accept Jesus Christ into your life you’re going to go to Hell, and you need to be born again.” And that basically was it. I’m from New York. I didn’t even believe in the word “sin”. That was an archaic concept. And he says, “You want to pull off the road and say a sinner’s prayer?” And I said, yeah. But inside my mind, I’m going, great. He’s a religious ax murderer pervert. He’s going to chop my head off before he does whatever and bury me in the bushes and say a couple of prayers over me. So I prayed with him. It was a real short prayer, Jesus Christ, forgive me of my sins. I asked him to come into my life and make me born again. So I forgot about it.

SID: So then a few days later, he’s in New York. He’s at a place called The Lamb’s Club. Briefly, what occurred?

PAUL: What happened was I was discussing my experience with people who had been witnessing to me. And as I was sharing this hitchhiking experience, a girl who we had never met before came over to me and said, “I couldn’t help but overhearing your conversation.” She said, “I’m a minster’s daughter. I was wrestling with these same questions, ‘Is Jesus Lord?’” And for some reason she looks right at me, and she says, “Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God?” And I had never said this before, but the words blurted out of me: “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” At that moment, the sky cracked open and I saw God, not in the physical sense, but a spiritual sense. And I knew instantaneously that all the cosmic consciousness, astral projection, altered states of consciousness, all that stuff was illusions and false, and I knew that Jesus Christ was the Son of God, instantaneously.

SID: That is God. Now what happens next is so amazing because he then devotes his life to studying prophecy and studying what’s going on in the world. And then God starts giving him supernatural dreams to direct his research. Tell me a few things you found out about the one world currency.

PAUL: Well first of all, I do a tremendous amount of research from mainstream sources. It has to be documented. It has to be credible. Number two, is I studied Bible prophecy, and the Old Testament and the New Testament. But the third component is I do research where the Holy Spirit leads me and guides me into specific areas of research. So as I’m researching this I notice that in the Old Testament the Tower of Babel or Babylon is the world’s first one-world government, one-world religion, one-world economic system. That’s clue one. Then I get into Revelation 13 and I read about the one-world government, the one-world economic system, one-world religion, a false prophet, the religious false prophet and the Antichrist. And then I see that in Revelation it talks about a global government and a global economic system, and you can’t buy or sell without getting the Mark of the Beast. And then I realize that everything that was predicted 2000 years ago is coming to life in this world now even as we speak.

SID: Give me one fact that will knock me out.

PAUL: Well one fact is that the international banking elite have planned for there to be a world currency by 2018. Now that doesn’t mean they’ll hit the date. The target date is 2018, and they intend to bring in a one-world currency called the Phoenix, which just happens to be the bird on the back of the dollar bill. That bird on the back of the dollar bill is not an eagle. It’s a phoenix.

SID: And what is a phoenix symbolic of?

PAUL: It’s an occult, ancient occult symbol that goes back to Phoenicia.

SID: So what is going to happen to our currency when there’s a new currency? I want to find out. How about you?

 

Sid: My guest is Misty Edwards and you know as I started doing research on how God has used you Misty.  She is Worship Leader of IHOP ministry, but you weren’t a musician you only knew a few chords how did you become a worship leader? Just knowing a couple of chords on the piano?

Misty: That is a great question and one I’ve asked myself many times.  I grew up in a musical family so I had a certain grid for music but I never really applied myself to it.  I wanted to become a lawyer I thought musicians were just kind of flaky, so I never really studied it. But when the House of Prayer started the International House of Prayer here in Kansas City we were determined to go 24 hours a day 7 days a week nonstop you know music, so all of our prayer is bathed on music.  And there was only about 50 of us at the time.

Sid: Now just out of curiosity when I think of prayer being religious my religious mind doesn’t have music I just think you just get down on your knees and you pray.  Where did all this music come from?

Misty: Well, in revelation you see the harp and the bowl around the throne you have the prayers of the bowl the incense which would be more the intercessory prayers as you just mentioned.  And the getting on your knees and just crying out; but then there is this mysterious element of the harp and the music.  And so what we thought to do we thought to make prayer sustainable.  And one of the ways to sustain prayer is by making it enjoyable.  And to make it enjoyable we discovered that music is one of the primary ways to actually make it sustainable and enjoyable.  You know that you can sing a worship song or two or three for an hour far easier than you can… then only pray. So what we’ve done is we combined the spoken prayers with the singing prayers and together we find that it’s sustainable.  Fourteen years later we’ve still been going day and night.

Sid: Okay let’s go back to how yes you were raised in a musical family but you were going to an attorney, you knew a couple of chords on the piano so how did you become a worship leader?

Misty: Yeah, well like I was saying you know we  had this nobility that we had signed up to do 24 – 7 day and night the fire on the alter cannot go out which we were defining on the bed of music.  So everybody was playing an instrument it was like “All hands on deck the fire could not go out.”  So I started doing just doing my two chords, I had about four or five worship songs you know I was building up to. Then I would just do spontaneous stuff just because I didn’t know anything.  So for two hours I would just sing, do spontaneous and I ended up doing that probably four to eight hours a day in those early years just because of raw need.  And after doing four to eight hours a day my skill level just got better and better and I leaned more chords and I got a few new songs. Just over time I became a Worship Leader it was never my intention it just kind of happened.

Sid: Okay but then I mean you’re moving into your calling for life and your just 19 years of age. How does a 19 year old cope with cancer?

Misty: Yes, I got diagnosed with cancer at 19 for the first time and it definitely jolted me, it jolted me, but it jolted me in a good way because you know it was a cancer that was growing in my leg.  And the doctor told me that at that time either I was going to lose my life because of the speed of which it was growing, or at best I was going to lose my leg.  So I was looking at an amputation or maybe even death. So all of those feelings you know from the time I was very little I had thoughts of eternity.  And now at 19 they were just coming rushing in on me like a flood.  So it was at this point in my life that I really determined I am going to know God; I am going to face death in the eye and I’m going to find my purpose beyond the grave.  And that’s the only way I could make sense of the life I’m living if it’s six months or if it’s 60 years. The only way I can make sense of it is the continuity of into eternity.  And so I looked God in the eye so to speak and just began a wrestling match about 19 and 20.

Sid: What about when someone gets cancer they look at every method, every formula that is ever worked for any person.  We’re you in that realm?

Misty: Yes we did you know I tried many options I was trying to avoid the medical option just because of the effects of chemotherapy and all of the side effects. Yeah, I looked at many different options and sought the Lord, I went forward for healing many many times.  We believed in healing and I believe that the Lord did give me a measure of healing, I still have my leg today so praise the Lord for that.  Yeah, I was searching for many many methods and having to go through chemotherapy I lost my hair just all of that for a 19 year old girl is a little bit overwhelming.

Sid: So between you and me, how come you didn’t lose your zeal?  How come you didn’t lose your faith when you’re saying “Here I am, selling out to you since a 5 year old. I’ve been a believer in You Lord, now get rid of this come on God!

Misty: I had to ask those questions, I had that wrestling in my heart but the thing is the options to walk away from Him there was no option. I felt so divinely hedged in. I mean what was I going to do there was just nothing but a black hole outside of God.  So to walk away from Him I felt complete despair.  So even though I felt like I was in a wrestling match with Him it was better to be in the fight with Him than to turn my back on Him.  That wasn’t even an option to me it was way too despairing.

Sid: Well, most people are demanding answers from God but you got to a point I guess of surrender; tell me about this song we’re going to play right now “Finally I surrender.”

Misty: Yeah, “Finally I Surrender” was written in a time in my life where I was in that wrestling match and you know I have a certain tenacity with God I hope He appreciates where I was just like “Answer Me!”  You know I feel like I was kind of in His face like “Answer me!”  And He answered me similar like He would have answered Job.  “Like were you there when I spread out the Heavens like a curtain, were you there when I said to the sea this far and no further?”  It was one of those kind of “I am God, and you are not,” and just pour out your soul.  And I found a sweetness in the surrender to His sovereignty and going “You know what I’m a person who loves understanding but I’m not always going to understand everything but I trust you anyway.”  And to trust Him in His sovereignty knowing His heart is for me was a powerful thing for someone who loves, whose analytical and loves understanding.

Sid: Let’s here “Finally I Surrender,” I believe there’s a message for you.

Misty: “Finally I Surrender.”

Sid: If you like that music the anointing, I mean all those hours of prayer and revelation on Misty.  Do you want your first love back? I know you do.  Do you want that fire back you had when you were first believer.  Do you want that hunger back when you first came to the Lord?  Do you want a hunger so much that you want to be in God’s presence and that hunger is going to lead to the experiences that God has for you in your life?

Sid:  Now I’m talking to Roy Fields, Roy is a Psalmist; he lives to worship God.  He feels God’s pleasure when he worships. If you’ve been listening Monday and Tuesday you can tell how authentic it is with Roy.  But Roy I’m going to take you back your 16 years of age you get a prophetic word that you’re going to go to Africa.  Well 2 years go by and did you kind of forget that word?

Roy:   Yeah, I did kind of actually. I was just you know a young teenager going through life and yeah. (Laughing)

Sid: And so you find yourself on a trip going to South Africa that changes your life forever.

Roy:   Oh yeah.

Sid: Tell me what happened.

Roy:   Well, my mother actually when I turned 18 had married a godly man. So a couple of things actually happened at that moment as my mother had a new husband and I had a new father.  And there was an opportunity from somebody in the church that’s from South Africa that he was going to Africa to Zimbabwe and I asked if I could come along and they didn’t even know about the prophesy or anything. And then the pastor reminded them about the prophecy. My stepfather actually paid for both of us to go.  And when I got there it’s so funny we talked about Reinhardt a little bit because I thought I was going to have these extraordinary meetings you know with thousands of people and when I got there we were in little villages with 50 people in most places.  And at the end of the two months of going through Africa and helping people and praying for them and you know worshiping and leading worship and preaching and everything. I missed my flight to come back to America. I was riding on Balkan Airlines, and this pastor called up this other guy I was with and said, “We want to invite Roy to come to our school if he’s here another week, which I was. And I went to this high and while I was there the headmaster which is the principal said “You can have meetings this entire week every night it’s up to the kids if they want to come it’s not going to be mandatory.  You might have 8 kids, you might have a couple of hundred and so the first night I had 8 kids (Laughing) they were all saved Sid, they all already accepted Jesus in their heart and I only had two scriptures at that time I preached which was I had John 3:16 and Galatians 2:20.  John 3:16 “For God so loved the world He gave His only Begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish he’ll have everlasting life.”  And Galatians 2:20 “I’ve  been crucified in Christ; it’s no longer I who lives but Christ who lives in me, and the life I live now I live by faith in the Son of God.”  And that was it Sid my whole sermon was over with I had already led a little bit of worship and I heard the Lord tell me, I could hear His voice it wasn’t audible I just knew it in my spirit, in my heart “Call somebody up who needs healing in their body.”  Well 7 of them out of the 8 came up.”

Sid: You don’t think that young kids need healing, that took a lot of nerve you probably figured maybe 1.

Roy:  Well, the fact that I had never moved in healing in my entire 18 years of life was probably another factor, yeah. So you don’t think that about kids, what’s your problem you know what “Do you got a cold or a sniffle you know.”  And no they came forward and come to find out some of them was emotional healing, some of them was depression you know for their lifestyle in Africa. And I’ll never forget picking up my hand and putting it towards this kid’s forehead like I watched other ministers before and I didn’t even know what to pray, so I just said “Lord let the same Holy Spirit that descended upon Jesus on the day of His baptism and His ordination let it come upon this man right now, this young man right now.”  And this kid flew across the room, I mean went right over the chairs.

Sid: So you were as shocked as he was and the other kids too, you all were shocked.

Roy: I almost didn’t want to pray for the next bunch of people because I didn’t know what that was, I didn’t even and the thing about it is nobody was with me, I was all by myself this other friend of mine was in Malawi. So I’m like “Oh my goodness.”  And then I got kind of excited after my fear left me and I went “I want to do this again.”  So I went to the second kid and I lifted my hand and said “Lift your hands and close your eyes”  and this was because I watched other ministers do this before, and I meant it from my heart. I just said “Lord let the same Holy Spirit that touched Jesus touch this man now in Jesus Name.”  And the kid went flying, the third kid and I tell this story this way, the third kid I went to pray for him and all of a sudden I started to prophesy out of my mouth about this kid was going to be in full time ministry as a student leader and that his finances were going to change.”  And the crazy thing is that two years later after I had left Africa and came back to America I received a letter from that kid that a church had hired him over 500 students and put him on staff and they were paying him a salary.

Sid: Was that the first time you prophesied?

Roy:    Oh yeah, yeah.

Sid: And the first time you prayed… now explain to me exactly what happened, you touched him and he went flying through the air, how far?

Roy:   I didn’t touch any of them, didn’t touch them,

Sid: You didn’t touch them.

Roy:   No, I was going to but before my hand could even get to their forehead the first kid went flying, the second kid the same thing and the third kid I went to…

Sid: Now when you say “Flying, describe that to me because I wasn’t there, what do you mean?”

Roy:  If you were to be thrown back, okay if you were thrown back and just push on a bunch of chairs, that’s what happened to this kid but I never touched him.

Sid: Now, were any people, any of the young kids healed?

Roy:  Yeah, well what happened is after I prayed for all 7 that one kid that didn’t come up was afraid, he was a little bit timid and scared, there was only 8 kids in this room. I just went up to him, he was sitting down, and I noticed his foot was turned in a little bit. I says “Are you okay buddy? Can I pray for you?” He said “I was a little nervous I didn’t want to come up front.” I said “Well let me pray for you right here.” I remember watching a minister take a young lady’s legs bring them up side by side and noticed that one was longer than the other. Well this kids foot was, it was kind of turned in, so of course his foot was going to be shorter than the other. I put my hands up underneath him and I said “In the name of Jesus I speak to every bone, every muscle, every ligament; I command you to line up with the word of God right now.” Well nothing happened then I had fear again, then I went “Oh my gosh.” Well maybe if I leave now nobody doesn’t know my name anyway so I’ll be okay. (Laughing)

Sid: (Laughing)

Roy: Then I went and prayed again and the kid went “Jesus please.” And when he did that in my hands I watched this kids foot crunch, snap and pop into place. All the other kids were standing around us now at this point and they screamed and he screamed and he got up and he ran around and we just sat there looking at this. The kid was completely healed.

Sid: Now the first night you had 8 people, how many did you have afterwards for the next meetings.

Roy:  This kid went running around the whole campus and when I had another meeting the next night 300 kids showed up because of that one little kid.

Sid: And what happened when the 300 showed.

Roy: Oh, my goodness that’s where things started changing.  I was late to the meeting the second night, all 300 of them, I didn’t have my guitar, I didn’t have a keyboard, I didn’t have a sound system Sid it was just my voice.  Right before I got to that auditorium, 300, just imagine 300 students rocking back and forth, I think some of those kids knew the song, Hallelujah and all 300 of them were sings “Hallelujah.”  You know the old Katherine Kuhlman song.

Sid: I do.

Roy:   I didn’t even preach that night I just walked in and said “Who needs healing in their body, who needs prayer?”  They all rushed the platform and we had to move out of the classroom into that auditorium because it just couldn’t hold that many kids.  And I started laying hands on everybody and they were falling out, I walked by 3 kids and they fell out without me even touching them, I didn’t even lay a hand on them.  And all of a sudden it grew again the next night there was like 500, and then it was like 700, and then by the last night we had 1000 students the entire student body and all the head mistress, headmaster, all the teachers were lined up along side of the walls and I was praying for all these kids. It was a revival

Sid: And were many delivered, healed, saved?

Roy:   Oh my goodness, yeah, people were you’d see young girls screaming and they would be delivered of demons coming right out of them.  And you know they have witch doctors over there Sid so they’d been like involved in all kinds of stuff that’s just really demonic and there were kids that where backs were healed…

Sid: I understand people were actually drunk in the spirit.

Roy: Oh yeah, yeah. (laughing)

Sid: Now, they have no paradigm for that, they’ve never seen anything like that before.

Roy:   No, no, no and to be honest with you I don’t think I had ever seen anything like that before. It was all fresh and brand new to me and I was just loving every moment of it because at one point I felt the Holy Spirit say “You know I’m doing this.”  And I said “Oh this is blowing my mind.”  I mean my relationship with God really started to grow, it really started to grow.

Sid: Well, I mean you never really thought that you would have a healing ministry I would imagine.

Roy:   No, I thought I’d sing songs the rest of my life

Sid: Well, speaking of singing sons I was so interesting in what you were saying we didn’t hear your music but it doesn’t matter everyone has heard the Spirit of God upon you and actually someone was just healed.  “Someone’s neck was just healed and someone’s back was just healed, there’s such an anointing even on us talking imagine what happens when he worships God with every fiber of his being.”  All these CD’s were done during revival the Spirit of revival is upon these CD’s.  People report the fire of God touching them, the love of God, breakthroughs they have such a hunger for God that develops within them.  Many people when they go to these meetings it’s contagious they develop a deep intimacy with God and that’s what you’re asking for, crying out for.