Sid:   I got reacquainted with someone I knew a number of years ago Renny McLean. Just at the right time I believe it was a moment that God had ordained because I have in my hands his new book “Eternity Invading Time.”  And if you really want to understand from Heaven’s perspective how to operate in Bible faith not rules and regulations but an understanding of this realm that God is in called eternity. Renny you’ve had heavenly visitations and I have to believe a lot of this is written in your book from a heavenly viewpoint.

Renny: Oh oh, totally totally is I mean you know when you have an encounter with the Lord your whole view of God changes you know.  Anybody who’s had an encounter with God I can tell you you’re not judgmental.  Because when you had an encounter with the Lord what you seen in His eyes is compassion.  I mean He looks at you and knows everything about you and he’s not condemning you.

Sid: You know I’ve shared some personal things with Renny and actually I did it on the air this week but they’re personal prayers that I pray almost if not every single day of my life. And one is to walk in the compassion of the Messiah; I believe as you believe Renny before the Messiah returns there will be men and woman raised up that will walk in that type of compassion.

Renny: Oh, I believe that because the manifestation to the power of God’s glory is really and truly revealed through the love of God.  And you know when it comes to the place where He’s loved becomes us you know my goodness nothing is impossible we’re walking in the realm with no limits.

Sid: Now when you say “Nothing is impossible” it’s one thing to someone for someone to parrot that expression but it’s another when what I see on what goes on in your various meetings even at a young age you saw dead people come to life. You’ve seen a number of dead people come to life, but tell me just kind of whet the appetite of some creative miracles.  For instance, I read here in a meeting you had in Dallas there was a lady in a wheelchair who had a 5 inch pin in her leg.

Renny:  Yes.

Sid: And she had a great miracle; tell me about that.

Renny:  Oh, what happened was we had been in the meetings for 3 nights while we were in 3 nights of meetings I clearly remember that was the night where wheelchairs were emptied.  You know people were walking and deaf people were hearing; blind people and cancer were being healed.  So faith was already high and you know when it’s already high I mean people can believe anything. And it was the night where people could literally believe anything; I just looked at this dear sister who had been coming to the meeting every night and she had a foot brace on and I said “Take it off.”  And you know she obeyed me; she obeyed the Word of the Lord and she took it off and I clearly remember when she took it off she walked.  We didn’t realize though the magnitude of the miracle we were just attracted because she could walk again and she was totally healed.  Well the following week when she went to the doctor and came back to the church testify she said “Well I had one of the most interesting testimonies you’ve ever heard.”  And she said “The doctors cannot find the pin that was in my leg;” it was 5 inches of tin or steel, or whatever they call it.  When she went into the hospital and they had it examined all they saw was five inches of brand new bone.

Sid:  And that should not be so strange when I read the Bible especially in light of the book that you’ve just written “Eternity Invading Time.” As you state in your book “Eternity God’s realm is drawing closer to our realm called time.”

Renny: Yes.

Sid: I have to ask you a question through Renny “How do you personally view God, How should we view God?”

Renny:  Okay I’ll tell you I love that question you asked me because this is where I think the church has to redefine what it talks about.  Number 1 there’s a word I want to introduce to our believers and the it’s the word to conceptualize and it means nothing more than to teach us something in its original form.  Now if we see God in natural terms God is out of context; if you see God in the supernatural than God is in context. The problem is we’re trying to make somebody supernatural; we’re trying to make Him natural and He’s not natural.  And unfortunately in the west we really have done that down to a science. Isn’t it funny God probably saying “Don’t you find it funny the very definition of the word God means a supernatural being we want supernatural ability and He demands to be worshiped.”

Sid:  And you know what in our Spirit filled charismatic churches…

Renny:  Oh my goodness.

Sid: We’re not seeing the supernatural we’re hearing the talk about it.

Renny:  Yes.

Sid:  But we’re not seeing the goods and people they go there long enough they learn literally unintentionally we’ve been discipled in unbelief.

Renny:  Oh, you are preaching, you are preaching to the choir because I’m telling you Brother Sid I believe today I honestly believe today that when most of us preachers preach from the pulpit we honestly are ministering to educated unbelief.  Because it’s unfortunate to say this but it the naked truth. If the truth be told this is what we’re dealing with; we have educated the unbelief of the believer to the degree that the unbelief of the unbeliever is now stronger than the actual faith in God.  And so we have relegated God to a natural form to something that He isn’t; so God really and truly is out of context.  That’s why it takes a revelation for you to operate in the miraculous; you can’t operate in the miraculous with common sense.  See I’ve often said this Bother Sid see unbelief is the product of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; your unbelief reveals what tree you’re eating from because when you’re eating from the tree of life you’ve got nothing but faith; nothing but faith.  And you got more sense to believe God than you have to doubt God.  And you see I often say this “When reason is absent faith is present; when reason is absent God is now.”  And even as I say now right now when reason, oh my God I just feel His… when I say reason is absent faith is present that means the miraculous is possible here and now.  Everybody listening to this broadcast or this radio interview; everybody right now I’m saying to you right now “All things are possible to you right now as you stop trying to reason how God’s going to do a thing if you just let Him do it.”  Oh my goodness gracious me you’ll find He’ll do it in more ways than one.  I’m telling you the miraculous power of God is present right about now; because when you’re heads out of the way God will start to move.  The most brilliant mind of our time was a man call Einstein. It was said that he used 12% of his brain 12%.  And they say that we today use 8%, don’t you find it strange brother Sid that all of modern discovery that we know of today; the greatest inventions that have come about in the last 100 years.  And don’t you find it strange that it’s come about with 8% knowledge.  Can you imagine if we have 8% use of our minds today can you then imagine what Adam had before he sinned?  We are practically retarded in comparison to what Adam was; so today Adam’s legacy to us today is unbelief, fear and doubt.  But Jesus Christ Yeshua died on the cross and really and truly opened back that realm to us; the realm where there is no time.

Sid: You know one of the hottest things in secular radio are talk shows. Can you imagine if a man or a woman of God moves in this realm proclaiming the true gospel no mixture but the true gospel it’ll be the hottest talk show in America; in the world.

Renny:  Oh, I believe it, I believe it but you see Sid it’s what you said to me earlier we have a seeker friendly church.  And what’s happened today is this if you look on television today and you listen to a lot of radio broadcast right now do you not notice how the world wants the supernatural that’s why the psychic phenomena in America is so big.  The reason why it’s so big is because the church rejected the ministry of the prophet and that’s why the counterfeit took off so big and made a huge killing off of it.  So if the false prophet can generate that kind of income and keep his kingdom going my goodness what would the ministry of the prophet do in the church today?

Sid: Answer this question, why is it that the biggest Spirit Filled churches in the land most of the pastors have tight control and do not want change?

Renny: The reason being because I would say their scared of God showing up; because we don’t have a problem that we’re defining God in what God means we have a problem when He shows up.  Because when God shows up He shows out; and I’m telling you that when God shows up He exposes everything.  So the secret of it is that we got to just let go and let God. And that’s such an easy catch phrase to use.  That is so real to let go and let God because until we let go; until we let go God doesn’t manifest Himself.  And if the truth be told we really and truly is I’d say you know it’s a hard statement to say like this but I just got to say the truth.  It really boils down to a control issue; that’s really what… you know Sid that’s really what it boils down to.  It boils down to a control issue so the question is “Is Jesus Lord of the Church or is the Pastor?”  That’s really what it boils down to.

Sid: You know that your speaking truth right now Renny but the presence of God is so strong now right I believe that and we’re just about out of time, but I believe anything could happen.  I see ears popping; if your ears are popping and you hear better guess what’s just happened, you’ve just been healed.  But you know on tomorrow’s broadcast by faith we’re going to get Marina on that’s Renny’s wife and her ministry is worship. And Renny what happens when someone is truly worshiping God?

Renny:  Oh, when somebody’s truly worshiping God you become in harmony with God and when you become one with God through your worship cancer dissolves.

Sid: Okay mishpochah consider yourself challenged. I want you to understand this thing called life in this temporary period called time from eternity’s viewpoint God’s realm.  Don’t miss the next move of God’s Spirit there is such truth in this book that so few Christians understand.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. I just so love breathing in the rarified air of Heaven. My guest did it better than most people. You see, he was caught up out of his body unexpectedly to Heaven and he was granted the privilege to see the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob speaking to the Messiah of Israel about the End Times, and you must, I say you must hear what he came back to report. So let me ask you this question. My guest Carlos is a, he was at Benny Hinn’s church. You were picked out by him. Tell me real briefly, what happened. You just show up and what happened?

CARLOS: First time I attended church there, the ushers, for whatever reason, sit me at the third row, aisle seat, dead center from the platform where he’s preaching. And in the middle of his preaching, he stops, points his finger at me, he says, “I don’t know who you are, young man, but the call of God is all over your life. The anointing is upon you and from this day forward, usher, when this young man comes into this church building, I want you to make sure he gets a seat up front.” That was my introduction to Benny Hinn and to his church.

SID: And then he starts working on the team, and then he starts his own congregation, and then it’s hugely successful, and then everything that’s supposed to happen is happening, and he feels that he’s arrived. And then he goes to a meeting and a prophet says, “Who here does this city mean anything to?” And he knows it’s him. He stands up. And what does this prophet Kim Clement say to you?

CARLOS: Well the prophet said that there’s somebody here connected to Indiana. And so he goes through a process of elimination. Twelve people raise their hands and he goes, “No, it’s not you, not you, not you.” When finally I was forced to lift up my hand because he goes, “It’s somebody on the right side of the platform.” So I raise my hand and the moment I did, he goes, “It’s you.” And he says, “I want you to take four large steps towards this podium, this platform.” And so I did, and as I did he was counting them: 1, 2, 3, 4. Finally when it gets to 4 he says, “Stop.” And he goes, “Thus saith the Lord. You’ve taken four major steps in ministry, related to ministry. But the fifth step, the next step will be the biggest step ever you’ve ever taken. It will take you to places you’ve dreamed about. It will take you to places of a greater glory, greater manifestation.” And so of course, I interpret that in a totally different way to how it turned out. But nonetheless, it was that prophetic word that really almost catapulted me to really seek the Lord in a more sincere way, in a more deeper way, in a more consecrated way.

SID: So you know what? It says in the Bible that if you draw close to God, He’s going to draw close to you. That’s what happened to Carlos. Because on May 8, 2005, he’s minding his own business, sleeping. What happened?

CARLOS: And all of a sudden in the middle of the night, my spirit begins to rise up out of my body. And at first, I was just like hovering, hanging over the bed. I could see my physical body laying there. I could see my wife laying next to me. I thought to myself, what in the world is going on. I thought I passed away. That thought went through my mind.

SID: I can understand.

CARLOS: And then all of a sudden, I feel these two massive arms and I knew it was an angel. And I could see myself. He was cradling me, holding me between his two arms. And the moment I saw that, we began to rise. And I remember looking at the roof and I ducked my head because I thought I was going to hit my head against the roof, and to my surprise, we go right through the roof of the house. And so that’s when I thought, oh, Lord, I passed away. And I began to pray for my wife, my kids. So for a brief moment, my mind and my thoughts, my emotions were on earthly matters. And then all of a sudden from one instant to another instant, a moment, my emotions were flooded with this incredible joy, joy I had never felt before because I knew that I was about to go see Jesus, the Son of God. And so I remember just closing my eyes and thinking to myself, I’m ready. And then we shoot through the atmosphere going through the clouds. And then in an instant I find myself in this big open expanse of a place of, for lack of a better word, a large opening, a room. I didn’t see any buildings. I didn’t see any angels. I didn’t see anybody. I just saw, in the natural I’m color blind, so I saw these incredible colors, massive, beautiful colors.

And the neat thing about that, Sid, was the colors were actually breathing. There was life, like if it was lungs. It was expanding and inhaling. I could see the colors actually breathe and full of life.

SID: You know, I had heard reports like this before. Everything is alive in Heaven. I have heard that the grass is even alive. It’s like we haven’t even experienced life on this dead earth until we have the life of God inside of us. But how would you like to be in a place where everything is alive, no death. I like it.

CARLOS: Yes. And so from that room, all of a sudden in an instant I was back into this other room. And in this room, I saw two figures and they were standing at an angle like this, maybe from here to the camera, maybe 10 feet. And then I heard a voice and the voice said: “To you, it’s been granted to stand here and listen.” Because I immediately recognized it was the Father and the Son. At first, I didn’t know who it was, but when I, as I got a little closer, than I heard the voice. I recognized it was Jesus and the Father, and they were having a conversation. And so when I heard the voice it told me, “You’ve been granted permission to stand here and listen,” I remember turning my ear this way to listen to their conversation, and to my surprise, they were talking about the End Times.

SID: Hold that thought. When we come back, I don’t have to tell you to be sure to come back, you will be back. I know that. Don’t go away.

Sid: The ancient Jewish anointing and the Christian anointing have merged together to form the full body of Messiah. That’s what Jesus was talking about in John 17:21 He said “I pray that these 2 people groups would be one.” There were only 2 people groups not Catholics and Baptist they didn’t exist. Jews and Gentiles, and what will happen when these 2 anointing’s merge together the world will believe. My guest Dr. Lance Wallnau, we’re talking about his 4 CD teaching series must, it is a must teaching. It’s title is “In a Heartbeat.” Explain how you got that title Lance.

Lance: On 911 I happened to be in a management seminar Sid in Hawaii where the subject was “Emotional Mastery,” can you imagine that as an irony. We had people from all over the world that were venting their feelings. Palestinian’s who were actually applauding the terrorists, and Israeli’s who were there on the stage talking about how frustrated they were that this is the world they have to live in in the Middle East. It was an incredibly intense experience. As I prayed through the day and observed and was working with various people the Lord started speaking to me that “The state that we must be in in order to be able to access the kingdom of God is a state of resourcefulness, a state of creativity, a state of access and openness to the voice of God and the anointing of God.” At that moment I realized that the believer to be the peacemaker, to be the solution to the problem, to be the person that can shift the spiritual climate. Has first got to be able to shift their own state, they have to be able to go from fear or anxiety, or defeat in a fraction of a moment they have to move intentionally into the realm of the supernatural. To many of us put this off to something God does as opposed to training our self to operate in the realm that were designed to once we become a new Christian, or a new believer. So while I was working this through I realized that there are 3 elements that determine your state:

1. What gets your attention?
2. What you say to yourself.
3. How you allow your body or your nervous system, or your emotions to anchor or ground what’s getting your attention and what you are saying to yourself.

Sid: You know I don’t want to digress too much but you said that one of the popular teachings of the day has been what’s known as “Word of Faith Teaching” and they didn’t allow for the emotions. Would you just comment a little bit there?

Lance: Absolutely. The kingdom of God said “It’s two-thirds century.” It’s righteousness which comes by faith, and then peace and joy. You tell me somebody who comes in… I consider myself a word of faith. I come into your house and you see me with a long face and I look depressed and it looks like I need Prozac, then I’m coming to you talking to you about overcoming life. Immediately you can the kingdom isn’t resonating in my life because joy and peace are sensory dimensions. You feel those states, they are states not just emotions. So the kingdom of God is two-thirds an overcoming state or mode of existence.

Sid: Many people feel “No you just hang on to the word and everything will take care of itself.”

Lance: There you have the problem because if all you’re doing is hanging onto the word you have one part of you in agreement which is cognizant, you’re cognate in part. Your emotive part which is where your passion your feelings are they also have got to line up or you become a house divided. We’ve all been around believers who say that they’ve forgiven and their past is past, and when you’re around them you know there’s still a bitterness and unresolved aspect and you pick up on it because their feelings have not yet really released the issue. You’re absolutely right, so this teaching is recognizing the fact that states is… you know the Jewish concept it’s very Greek when you talk body, soul, and spirit you’re talking Paul writing to the Thessalonians to the Greek culture. Jesus when He talked He talked with a Jewish context. He said “Though shall love the Lord thy God with all of thy heart the soul and the mind, and thy strength.” He wasn’t as nice and tidy as spirit, soul, body He had mind and heart. What did He do? He has a mind and a heart. How did He dichotomize that? Well the reality is to the Jewish mind they all overlap you can’t cut Sid Roth in half without cutting all of him. You can’t just separate your spirit, soul, and body so nice and neatly. So I think what I’m teaching is state is the overlap of the mind, heart, soul, spirit and body. It’s the combined mailing address of where your dominant state is right now which determines to a great degree whether or not you’re able to access everything God has for you. In a heartbeat means in a moment you can shift your focus, shift your attention, shift what you’re saying and actually by doing so you move from a disempowered condition to one that’s open and receptive to the anointing.

Sid: As you pointed out it’s almost a built in warning system to let you know you’re not in the anointing when you pay attention to your feelings.

Lance: Oh you absolutely got it Sid! Listen this I teach kids… I had an interesting experience last night. I’m on the road a lot, I come home to my local church because I’ve got a family. My wife has a degree in film so she was out doing a video project. My daughter is 10 years old and her… so my wife was going to teach the class for the children last night and she was late. The Lord told me “Take your daughter’s class.” I like that because I like the fact that I could be talking to businessmen, or personalities one day, then I’m with the 9 year olds the next day, keeps it real. So Sid I’m with the 9 year olds and the Lord said “I want you to teach them how to access the sound of my voice in a heartbeat.” I said “9 year olds, this’ll be interesting.” The Lord said “Get paper” I handed out paper and water colors. I had them all pair up in teams of 2 and join hands with their girlfriends or their friends. I said “Now here we’re gonna learn how God doesn’t have a little Holy Spirit or a big Holy Spirit. He only has one Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit in you is big enough to talk to you if you can get comfortable He’s going to help you minister to your friends today.” So I had them hold each other’s hands and ask the Lord to give them a picture, or an idea, or an image, or an impression that they would be able to draw that would be a prophetic, a love letter from God to the other person. Right away they were uptight they were tense they were a little nervous they had never done this before. So I had them all make fist with their left hand and I said “Take your right index finger and try to pry it into your fist. None of them could do it. I said “Alright now I want you to relax your fist so it’s really loose, now stick your index finger in between your fingers in your left hand, and they all could stick their fingers through.” I said “You know when were really uptight God wants to speak to us but He can’t, but when we learn to walk in peace and rest in Him, even in a place where were stressful or upset God will talk to us. So let’s do it again.” I had them all worship a little bit and let me pray for them. Now they relaxed and asked God for picture. Sid it was phenomenal I had about 20 kids all getting scriptures, or prophetic pictures that drew in row to their friends and gave them to them last night. Proving to me that your state in a heartbeat is not something which is just a territory of an adult, or a consultant, or a businessman it’s every one of us can learn how to adjust our self to hear God. Your program is being broadcast right now on an invisible wavelength. If someone has a receiver they can hear what Sid Roth wants to say, and we’re all designed the same way. Our state determines our reception.

Sid: Hmm. Well, let me ask you this how do you get your emotions to line up, if you will, with your spirit and the word?

Lance: Well that’s a very powerful, very powerful point it’s going to be difficult to do it quickly but I’ll give you an example right now. I’m flying in Chicago in the airport we have a blizzard. I have a conference in New England I’ve got to speak at, I’ve got people coming in and I cancel flights in Chicago. I hate O’Hare Airport at times because of this. So I’m standing there with my wife and 3 children, and my state is obviously one of frustration, agitation, irritation, I’m not in a peak state right now, right now I’m in a frustrated state. I’m thinking of my own teaching, I’m thinking “You know Lance you teach this what would you say to yourself if you were coaching yourself?” I said “First thing I’d do is shift my focus. What am I focused on? I’m focused on not getting out of the airport, so I’m not going to focus on that I’m gonna focus on God’s creativity.” What am I saying to myself? I’m saying “Look how long that line is I’m never gonna get out of here I’m going to be humiliated. People are showing up for a conference and I’m not even there. What am I going to say? My self-talk is going to change and here’s what I’m going to say ‘I serve a creative God, therefore God gives me the ability to be creative.’” At that moment a thought came to me my state started shifting I started realizing “I’m going to start to focus on God’s creative ability right now to give me a solution.” So I see a woman with a clipboard walking around from United and see that she has some authority, and I don’t know exactly what she is doing but my spirit tells me there’s the key. So with hundreds of people… now I don’t even know if I should confess this on the radio. I’m just going to tell you what I did, I started kvetch’ing, I started complaining. I said “Oh I don’t know what I’m gonna do with this blizzard I have a baby right here.” She’s like 5 years old, I said “What are we going to do for milk, what are we going to do for diapers…” and my wife hits me in the ribs and she says “What’s the matter with you you never talk like this.” I said “Stop it! I’m being creative. I don’t know what I’m gonna do I’ve got the kids, I’ve got the…” the woman comes up to me and says “Sir is this your family?” I said “Yes.” She said “Is that your little girl” and I said “Yes. I don’t know what I’m gonna do I’m stuck here overnight.” She said “You follow me.” Sid she put me on a special flight for handicapped people, she must of thought I was mental or something.

Sid: [Laughing]

Lance: A flight for handicapped people. We flew out in 45 minutes and I arrived for the conference. I’m telling you this is what I learned state is everything. God at any moment can bubble up a word of knowledge, a word of wisdom, a way to handle the situation if we can take responsibility for keeping our feelings in alignment with a new focus because let’s face it your feelings follow your focus. If your focus shifts your feelings have to shift. So you shift your focus and your feelings begin to move with it.

Sid: Now I’m going to ask you a personal question. Do you ever look angry, do you ever look I mean physically look grumpy? Do you ever physically look worried?

Lance: [Laughing] You know this is funny. My answer is quite honestly, I used to drive to church and my son who is 7 years old looked at me and said “Dad how come you’re angry.” I looked at him and I said “Son I’m not angry” I said “You know there are serious problems in the world and I’m merely thinking about them.” I’m giving him an answer and he looks at and he says “Dad that went right over my head.” [Laughing]

Sid: Hmm.

Lance: I realized I trying to justify and explain my problem. I looked at the mirror and I thought “My 7 year old can see that I’m not a happy preacher. This is not a good testimony for a preacher’s kid.” So from that moment I began to study the relationship between my expression and my state. I believe personally my feeling is this your state is the combination of your focus, what you say to yourself and how you command your physiology. My body on purpose is conditioned to be resourceful.

Sid: So that’s why when it says in the New Testament your spirit, soul and body it lumps all 3 together.

Lance: All 3 together.

Sid: Oh we’re out of time.

Sid: I see a trend, in fact I was talking to the producer of It’s Supernatural television over the last couple of days about this. I’m concerned it seems as though the pendulum has swung. At one point people are almost afraid of God they looked at God as someone with a big stick that was going to hit them over the head. Now the pendulum has swung and God is my best buddy I can do anything with Him and there is almost no reverence and respect that God is entitled to and deserves. The thing that happens is the next step that happens from there is a loosening, a seeker sensitive if you will, with the words of God. Especially in the arena that I’m going to be speaking to my guest about and the arena is homosexuality. I have on the telephone; I’m speaking to him; I caught up with him at Anaheim, California; he’s normally in Washington D.C. the Chairman of Traditional Values Coalition, Louis Sheldon. Louis I have to tell you I have just looked over your book “The Agenda” subtitled “The Homosexual Plan to Change America.” Yes in the back of my mind in the recesses of my brain I knew some of these things, but I had no idea how organized this is, and how quickly things are changing and could continue to change unless we’re knowledgeable of these things. I would like to start out by asking you a couple of quick questions, and that is how is it that the press has given a green light, it appears, to everything that is homosexual to the point of I couldn’t even believe what I saw on the internet a few weeks back where there’s going to be an entire television network devoted to homosexuality? How did we get so far from the time where people would be ashamed to admit they were homosexuals to the point where it’s in your face?

Louis: I think basically what has happened is that the church has been asleep on this issue. In other words there is nothing more discomforting, or hard to talk to about because it is sexual, than the homosexual issue. The homosexual issue involves sexual activity of a homosexual nature. How often do we talk about in our sermons, or in our Bible classes, or in evangelistic, or revival meetings of sex explicitly? When you deal with this issue most Christians have backed away and just said “Oh that’s of the devil.” They have allowed those people that support it, those people that are homosexuals to take the lead. So all at once we wake up and the camel not only has his nose in the tent, but he’s sitting in the tent with us, and we wonder what we’re gonna do.

Sid: Yes but why is the press giving them a free pass?

Louis: Because the press since the very beginning of this, which would be June of 1969 in lower Manhattan where the homosexuals created a riot for several days in New York City there. Over the issue of the police having raided their gay bars and said “Look stop this kind of homosexual activity sexual sex acts between men that was taking place right in the bar.” Now the press called that the new frontier of discrimination; meaning that they were being discriminated for their right to do what they wanted to do sexually with each other to men. Ever since then many newspapers for many reasons they come out of the schools of journalism like the Columbia School of Journalism, or Pennsylvania University School of Journalism, and they’re very liberal. So they always take the liberal position, in other words, “If it feels good do it.” That was a slogan back, you know, in the 60’s itself.

Sid: Louis just so that people know the serious of the nature, you had a quote on page 2 of your book that was actually reprinted in the Congressional Record that really reveals the  purposes of the gay rights movement. I wonder if you would read that quote?

Louis: Yes I will. This is so important to realize this. First was printed in the homosexual newspaper by Michael Swift published in the Gay Community Newspaper in February of 1987, so that was 18 years ago. Congressman Dana Meyer picked it up several years later in 1989, he’s a congressman from southern California and put it in the Congressional Record. It reads as follows: “We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck stops, in your all male clubs, in your houses of Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our homosexual image. They will come to crave and adore us.” You have to realize that when that was placed in the Congressional Record and read by Congressman Dana Meyer as he put it in the record; the homosexual movement cheered they did not even get mad. They had been bold to promote and advocate their evil as good for years.

Sid: Louis in reading your book “The Agenda the Homosexual Plan to Change America.” I’m amazed at how sophisticated the strategy is with young children with the education system. Tell us some of the things that are going on.

Louis: Very clearly a proposition was put forth with about 15 or 20 pages it was published back in the late 1980’s “How to Overhaul Straight America.” You know so they would become sympathetic, I think in that was the plan that we need to penetrate the public schools. So was born as a result of that challenge, from these 2 writers, the gay and lesbian, and straight educator’s network known as Gleeson, G-L-S-E-N. That network took a Supreme Court decision that sued a school district in Milwaukee; GLSEN sued that school district for almost a million dollars because the kids witnessed to the homosexuals there concerning their lifestyle. They awarded a million dollars to this young man at that time who had already entered college because his school district did not come down on the side of protecting the homosexual lifestyle. So that was the beginning of GLSEN, today GLSEN is in thousands of school districts across America. They hold what they call the Diversity Week every year saying “That homosexuality’s no different than you like chocolate ice cream, I like vanilla ice cream it’s all ice cream.” In other words, sexuality can be between 2 men, or 2 women, or 3 men and 1 woman. It gets very very…

Sid: Okay does this start in high school, or does this start at even younger ages?

Louis: Starts in the middle schools. You have even now in some elementary schools where the School Board has approved it, especially if that state has repealed its sodomy laws. Now that we have the Supreme Court decision several years ago that repealed the sodomy law of Texas it isn’t illegal anyway to teach and promote homosexuality alongside of 1 man 1 woman in marriage and family. So it does begin basically in middle school, but there are some school districts that are starting it 5^th and 6^th grade to tell them that they shouldn’t be locked in to just a mother and a father the parents can be of the same sex.

Sid: What is the real agenda when you talk about the homosexual agenda, what is their agenda?

Louis: Their agenda is to change America to remove them man and woman consensus from center stage, and to replace it with a whole new sexual diversity philosophy of gay, lesbian, transvestite, transgender (that’s man who changes physically; he has a doctor change his sex organs). Then pretty soon you can count on pedophilia moving into that. For some time the American Psychological and Psychiatric Association said that “Pedophilia wasn’t a social disorder it was only if it kept you from getting up in the morning and going to work.” So their agenda is remove, to destroy marriage as we know it a man a woman, and potentially…

Sid: Is there a difference at this moment in history between the United States of America’s laws and what is being done in these perverted areas, and Sodom and Gomorrah?

Louis: Well right now we haven’t quite reached Sodom and Gomorrah because there’s many states that have somewhat have ignored the Supreme Court decision overturning the sodomy law. We have now 43 states that have passed either a law or a constitutional amendment saying that marriage will only be between 1 man and 1 woman together. So from that perspective we have put up resistance. Now, but we are heading towards Sodom and Gomorrah…

Sid: Look we’re out of time.

Sid: Bill went to see a female evangelist that he was very skeptical over; her name is Katherine Kuhlman and the lady next to him is from Canada and she came even on her own not even on the bus.  And she looks at him and he identifies himself as a Pentecostal minister she said “Oh, I’m so glad you’re next to me because you understand miracles.”  And of course Bill when she said that to you were you so deceived that you didn’t even know you didn’t understand miracles?

Bill: Oh, of course I patted her hand and agreed with her; (Laughing) It was like I thought you know how blessed are you to get to sit beside me.  I was humble and proud of it; I mean yeah I mean because I really I thought I had all there was to have and knew all there was to know.

Sid:  And that’s a dangerous position (Laughing).

Bill:  I understand that (Laughing).  Yeah and everything was fine Sid until the service started and when the service started it was actually a morning service. Katherine had a Friday morning service 9:00 usually it started in Pittsburgh.  Which I thought was actually so stupid; I thought who would come to a Friday morning service, you know but I mean the church would fill up instantly as soon as the doors would open.  They’d fill the basement up because people were so hungry even in those days.  So Katherine came out; she always wore the white dress you know it had the spotlights on her dress; the fans on the platform blowing her dress gently, and organ and the piano and her red hair.  Well honestly I never seen anything like this; and when she lead a song you would remember because you knew her our arms would start going.  And it was almost like she did a little ballet thing and it looked like she was floating and she appeared to me to be half angel half woman you know.  She would look at the crowd and say something like “I’m the most ordinary person in the world.”  And I’m sitting there criticizing; “I’m thinking no you’re not, no.”

Sid: (Laughing) You’re a caricature.

Bill:   And she would look up in the lights and her eyes glistening with tears and she say “Jesus don’t let them see me; let them see You.”  And I’m thinking “You know you could help this; you know wear a black dress, turn off the spotlights.” I mean I’m there to criticize you see Sid. But my problem was I’m being overwhelmed and overcome by the power and the presence of God like I had never experienced in my life.  That’s challenging when you don’t want to be you know I mean… (Laughing)

Sid:  What did you start seeing at this meeting?

Bill:  Well, you know things started happening. I mean Kathryn of course just when she came out I mean you just felt this cloud of God’s glory and you knew that you were in the presence of God; I knew that.  And I knew that this was God and I’m being overwhelmed by this and then she started ministering to people.  And every time she went anywhere near people, touch people they would fall down; sometimes they almost appeared to fly you know across the room. And this Catholic lady beside me grabs my arm and she said “What’s she doing to them?”  Well, I patted her hand because remember I’m the answer man.

Sid: (Laughing)

Bill: And I know all; so I said to her “Oh, it’s okay this is just the power of God.”  Well, she got so excited and she ended up getting healed but what happened to me in that moment was the moment when my life would change forever.  When I said “This is just the power of God” I could put it in two words Sid “He came.”  Holy Spirit came He came to me; I literally felt His finger in my chest pointing and saying “Yes this is My power.”  

Sid: But wait a second you’re a Pentecostal Minister you have felt the presence of God before; what was the difference between this night and before?

Bill:  Never like this, never I’ve never been overwhelmed like this; I’d never been overcome like this. It was like Holy Spirit had come right face to face with me.  And I heard Him I mean; I’m sure it wasn’t an audible voice but I heard Him as clear as if it was saying “Yes, this is my power and you’ve never seen it; you have had a form of godliness and you have denied My power.”  Well, Sid in that moment I started crying in fact I started convulsing and this Catholic lady that I’m supposedly helping put her arm on my shoulder and says “Are you okay?”  And I said “No.”  She says “Can I help you?”  I said “No, no one can help me.” I mean I had no idea that I was denying God’s power.

Sid: I was listening to a video of yours and you said “For the first time you realized that the Holy Spirit isn’t a power but a person.”

Bill: That was really why I was crying because in that moment Sid I realized I didn’t know Him; I didn’t know Him.  But you know if you’re introduced to President George Bush he gives you a gift and leaves. You could say “I met him.” You could say “I was introduced to him;” you could say “I received a gift.”  But you can’t say “He’s my dear friend.”  You can’t say “You know I’ve got a great relationship with him” unless you really do. With me I been introduced to Holy Spirit, He’d given me a gift and I said “Thank you, that’s fine.”  And that was the end; I felt I’d arrived now and realizing later like people like Apostle Paul and others when they met Holy Spirit they took the next few years to go out into the wilderness to learn of the Spirit.  Jesus in John chapter 14 said “I’m going to send another just like Me and you’ll know Him, because He is going to live with you.”  And I realized in that moment that Holy Spirit to me was a doctrine that I believed with all my heart and my doctrine said “He’s a person so I believed that but I didn’t know Him.”  And in that moment I made a decision with tears “I’m not going to seek healing ministry anymore; I’m not going to seek to be successful ministry anymore I’m going to give the rest of my life of pursuing You; I want to know You Holy Spirit.  Because Jesus said “I can know You.”  And to me the main difference between the church today and the church in the book of Acts is their reaction and relationship with Holy Spirit.  The Book of Acts people treated Holy Spirit exactly like they treated Jesus another just like Him. We have reduced Him to a controversial doctrine or just a force or power when He’s a wonderful person.  And that was… that decision was the life changing moment; I had no idea what was going to happen.

Sid: Well, let me ask you a question from the time that you were empowered, and you were, from the time your heart was changed to pursue God to that degree and you were…your heart was changed to pursue God; how long did it take before you saw your first miracle?

Bill: Well see that’s the crazy thing about this because some people say “You know they fasted, they prayed for months, years, weeks for a ministry.  I left that service after having seen everything I always believed God should be doing and never saw it. Having had this life changing experience so I didn’t realize it was going to change my life; I just knew that this was what I had to do. We get back on the bus and we start heading back to Canada we had 12 hours to drive back. And of course we’re all tired; I had invited the bus driver to come to the service and he wasn’t a Christian, wasn’t a believer and he said he would come but he didn’t. He challenged me when we stopped just outside Pittsburgh for coffee.  He said “If God really was healing how come He didn’t heal the little girl?”  Because the little girl, the Greek Orthodox girl I mentioned yesterday.

Sid: Was that that four year old that never walked?

Bill:  She couldn’t walk we carried her back on the bus.

Sid: Hmm.

Bill:  Exactly the same she’d been before I mean she wasn’t healed and in fact as we started talking to people on our bus it appeared that no body from our bus was healed. But you know a lot of people were healed in the meeting. And I said to the bus driver “Tom I don’t know why she wasn’t healed, but boy you should have seen it, it was wonderful.”  This is how I started this healing ministry Sid, we started out after having coffee I put my seat back in the reclining position and I went to sleep. That’s how I started the ministry; the leader of the bus came and woke me up and said “Something’s happening back here.”  I walked back and a lady was just singing quietly in tongues, singing in the Spirit. And this is 1972 and her friends said to me “She’s never done this before we’re Catholics.”  And so I thought “Wow, this is something.”  And as she’s doing this I’m feeling I guess now I would call it anointing, I just felt God’s presence there on the bus.

Sid: Just as I am right now as your speaking, go ahead.

Bill:  And so I walked to the front of the bus I took the microphone and I just said “Folks… you know people are sleeping and they’re resting and I said “Folks you may want to know something’s happening back here.”  And I told them what was happening and in my circles would have said “Praise God,” and that was it.  But most of these people weren’t from Pentecostal or Assembly backgrounds or charismatic backgrounds and so they got up and they went and listened; they leaned over and wanted to hear this lady…

Sid: Oh… we’re out of time wait till you hear what happened to this four year old that never walked right on the bus going back to Canada.  I have to believe that after 30 years of seeing more miracles than anyone I know, or as many as anyone that I know you know, things about healing that very few others understand.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone at his office in Blaine, Washington is Don Gossett.  Don has spent 50 years being mentored or knowing some of the top healing evangelists on the face of this earth.  People like William Branham, Jack Cole, TL Osborn, Kathryn Kuhlman, William Freeman, and he’s learned a lot two ways one from the word of God and what these people have taught; he has also learned from his own experiences where he has been healed and where the rubber has meet the word and what you preach isn’t what you teach if it doesn’t work in your own life.  Now Don I know that faith grows as I’m reading your book; I mean I read EW Kenyon a couple of years ago and you took the best writings and of EW Kenyon and your own writings together in this book called “The Power of Your Words.”  And I have to tell you I understand these principals but it’s just causing them… you forget.

Don:  Well, I’d just like to have a special prayer of faith together that faith is a fruit of humility; the Bible says God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble.  And I’d like to share just briefly one of the most challenging and triumphant experiences involved with it a relationship with true humility and the confession of God’s word for healing.  I was impressed with a very painful headaches at one period of my life from the top of my head to the back of my neck the pain was more than I could stand.  Now I had received miraculous healings from both an enlarged heart and the cancerous growth as from speaking God’s word but somehow speaking God’s word repeatedly did not prevail the headaches were unrelenting. I visited my family physician he assured me that he could give me a prescription that would take care of the headaches; but he was sincerely mistaken because the pain medication didn’t help at all.  Weeks and weeks passed by and the headaches remained my primary concern; I was going through my daily assignments as a minister, but frankly my focus was upon my intense pain in my head.  I couldn’t concentrate on anything else.  And finally I reached the place when I was overseas in a mission and after I preached that night depression hit me like a blast of dynamite.  I tumbled into bed with these morbid words I said to my wife I said to my wife “I don’t think I want to live another day; I’m going to pray now; I’m going to pray Oh God I die in my sleep tonight these pains are so miserable I can’t stand them.”  Well my wife was not impressed at all by my negativity after a fitful night I wakened with the awareness that my prayer was not answered I was still alive. So I announced to my wife that I was going to the prayer closet in our friend’s home and I wasn’t going to come out till I heard from the Lord about the wretched condition.  When I arrived at that prayer closet I locked the door from the inside so that no one could disturb me. The words of Psalm 34:16 came to me forcibly; “This poor man cried and the Lord heard him and saved him out of all his troubles.”  I felt I was that desperate man and I stretched myself out on that carpet in that room and I cried out with tears “Lord, why has not my healing not been manifested. I’ve confessed your healing word, I’ve prayed Your Name; I’ve searched my heart; I’ve prayed and fasted Lord; why haven’t I received my healing?”  The Holy Spirit responded to my request to Him to search my heart and reveal the hindrance to my healing.  He made known to me that I had developed a spirit of pride that was preventing the manifestation of healing for those excruciating headaches.  And I began to quickly go through scriptures in the Bible about how God resists the proud; how He has shown thee oh man what is good and what does the Lord require of thee, but to do justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with thou God. The Lord spoke to me by the Holy Spirit that any time you’re proud the Lord must resist you.  And I found that this was a high price…

Sid: Well, wait that’s most believers because most believers are proud.

Don: I know that what I learned at that particular time in my I mean it was a crisis time in my life when I realized that I…now if you’d ask me that if you think that you have a spirit of pride I would have probably said no, no.  But the Lord showed me that it was not so much a matter of arrogance or egotism it was rather an attitude of self-sufficiency.  I was dependent on the Lord but on upon medication and upon other things.  While I was not decrying the importance of medication as an anti-faith action it was just a part of my ugly spirit of pride that I had to deal with.   

Sid: Now when God spoke to you was it just an impression or was it actually a voice.

Don:  It was a voice that was in; it was a voice that is so priceless to any sincere Christian.  And for 45 minutes I waited for there in God’s presence but I was grateful that He had revealed to me that there was a spirit of pride that was my hindrance.  As I was there just rejoicing in His ministry in my life, then I had an unusual experience I only say this because this is what happened in my life.  As I continued to speak the word there I mean for 45 minutes the word flowed through my heart and my mouth and I looked up at and I saw a man sitting in the room.  Well, I quickly looked to see that the door was still locked and it was.  And this stranger moved slowly towards me as I lay on the floor he reached down and laid his hand on my head and the sensation of His touch was like warm penetrating oil; though there was no oil at all it was like the sensation of it.  And the man after touching my head stepped back because the pain all instantly left. I wanted the stranger to identify himself.  Now sometimes the spiritual matters we can be rather well a little dumb.  And I said “Sir, are you the Apostle Paul?”

Sid: (Laughing)

Don:  I don’t know why I asked that question but I just knew that it was a part of something that was tremendously supernatural and the man replied these words, “I’m an angel of the Lord sent to minister to you who is an heir of salvation.”  That’s what exactly Hebrew 1:14 says that “Angels are ministering spirits sent to minister to them that are heirs of salvation.”  And after he spoke those words the angel vanished from my sight and I never saw him again.  I sat there very simply amazed that an angel of the Lord had visited me and I developed a power-point “Be humble or you’ll tumble.”  I tell you I learned the importance of humility before the Lord. Well equally I learned the importance of humility before the Lord. Well equally important to this awesome fact is that I never had a headache since that long ago day on a faraway island.  And I praise God for that miracle it’s been a very real miracle.

Sid: Don there are many people listening to us right now and they say “Well, I praise God for Don Gossett’s miracle but what about me I am struggling with cancer, with heart trouble; with diabetes with psoriasis of the liver; with arthritis; with migraines; with all of these various problems.”  Would Don pray for me right now and I would agree?

Don:  Let’s agree right now in the Name of the Lord, Father we come to You humbly as we know how with gratitude dependent upon your wonderful promise Lord grateful for your reality.  Father I pray for every listening friend who is oppressed with sickness, disease, infirmity the foul work of cancer, diabetes, heart trouble, high blood pressure, stomach ulcers, arthritis.  In the Name of Jesus we stand in agreement for these dear ones; spirit of infirmity we command you in the Name of Jesus to loose your hold on these bodies, minds and we speak release of healing virtue to permeate and flow in now in Jesus mighty Name and we thank you Lord that your power is present to heal.  That you sent your word to heal each one; and you’ve given them your release by the power of Jesus Name. Amen.

Sid: I’ll tell you Don that there was such a presence of God on that prayer I believe many people getting healed.  I even see people getting healed in their necks and their backs right now.  And people with hip pains if they’ll just start walking they’ll see that the pain is healed; anyone can be healed of anything but I’ll tell you the healing anointing is just flowing like a river.  And that same healing anointing Don flows in your book.  Now many of our listeners are familiar with you because we’ve had you on all week.  Tell us just briefly about EW Kenyan.  We have the best writings of EW Kenyan in your book from EW Kenyan “The Power of Your Words.”

Don:  Oh Dr. Kenyan was a man who God raised up to do a work of evangelism of healing and his main distinction was being a teacher of the word that marked him in a very special way.  And he put in book form a number of books and I was so blessed that his daughter Ruth gave me permission to combine the best of Dr. Kenyan’s writings with the best of my writings and put together the book “The Power of Your Words.”  I believe that God has chosen to use this book to revolutionize the lives of multitudes.  We’ve received many testimonies of the great results and to God be the glory. I believe that He’ll do the same with any listening friend.

Sid: The majority of the people listening to us are not functioning in the truth of God’s word in references to the promises of God’s Word.  There is on every page and every line of this book it’s so anointed; it’s mostly scripture. And the part that isn’t scripture is explaining the teaching of the scripture; but it’s 99% scripture this book.  And it’s an understanding of the scripture that this generation has yet to learn.

Sid: Well, I’ll tell you something after spending a week with Dr. Francis Myles on the radio if you’re not red hot for the Messiah there’ something wrong with you.  But you’ve had some amazing prophesies and prophetic dreams Francis.  For instance on yesterday’s broadcast we found out ahead of time that Senator Obama would be President Obama he would win two terms and what his agenda was for his first term.  And how God had put a seed of faith for him to believe in Jesus within him that if we would stop cursing him with our mouths and pray for his salvation that his whole destiny; the whole destiny of America could be transformed; what a vision.  But then in 2011 you had a vision of the Muslim agenda for Europe what was that?

Francis:  Yes, I went in October 2011 I flew to London to host a School of Ministry and while I was praying at the hotel for the evening service I had a very moving prophetic vision Sid.  I saw thousands of Europeans primarily the Caucasian Europeans standing in long lines with their bags packed at the airport.  Now in the prophetic dream… in the prophetic vision I had the sense in the vision what I was observing was not isolated to one European country it was actually happening everywhere in Europe.  I saw that all the Europeans who were standing in long lines at the airport Sid hoping to catch a plane out of the country had very distressed faces.  So I asked the Lord to explain to me what I was seeing.  He said “Son, what you are looking at is the future Satan has planned for Europe; this is the rise of the Ishmael agenda.”

Sid: So the people that were leaving; why were they leaving?

Francis:  Well, the Lord said that they were leaving because I said “What is the Ishmael agenda?”  He said that the Ishmael agenda is a very up stated plan to take over Europe by Muslim intellectuals.  That while the rest of the world and the news media are focused on the Jihadist who are like the dogs of war.  The real power players God says are moving in stealth to take over Europe and He said many European will be disinherited and driven out of the land of the activity of the Ishmael agenda marches on.” That’s what the Lord said.

Sid:  So in affect people like Christians or like people that didn’t want to be under Sharia Law they were the ones that were trying to leave.

Francis:  Yes, because in the vision they were shocked how dramatically Europe had changed. It was normally a place that freedom loving people could live in and they was leaving the country to migrate other nations.  So when the Lord showed me this I also saw in the vision many Muslim, many Muslim garb, garb in what seemed an information room.  And they were looking over the map of Europe and strategizing. And I asked the Lord; I said to the Lord “Is Europe already lost to the Ismael agenda, is this no hope is this all Europe lost?” The Lord declared “No, I have a plan to thwart the Ishmael agenda, I will raise and Isaac Church to stem the rising tide of the Ishmael agenda in Europe. As my people rise up and pray I will raise an Isaac company in Europe who will restore the ancient wells of revival in Europe just like Isaac was able to re-dig up the wells like back in Abraham’s day.

Sid: But if people do not pray what will the agenda be from what God showed you for Europe?

Francis: Well, just listen just a couple of days ago I was watching the Bill O’Reilly Show and there was showing this group in Europe that’s risen they try to because this group is rising to defend this.  It was rising to fight against the spread of radical Islam in Europe and this man made a startling statement on Bill O’Reilly. He said “Do you know Bill that 48% of the London Stock Exchange now is owned by Muslims.”  He said “We’re about to lose our country.”

Sid: Oh, that’s amazing because almost half of FOX News is owned by Muslim’s right now that they were even allowed to say that.  But if it’s not stemmed in Europe what’s their agenda for America?

Francis:  Well, remember if it’s not stemmed in Europe; if it’s not stemmed in Europe America and for the historically, politically America and Israel have always been able to depend on their European Allies. Imagine when Europe is under a Muslim agenda Israel and America are now prime targets for a lot of terrorists attacks because they’re Allies; their tradition allies the European no longer has a strong voice in their own voice in their own countries have been taken over.

Sid: Now tell me about the Jewish revival God showed you.

Francis:  Yes, yes the Lord said to me that son the year 2012 to 2022; He said to me this is going to be the decade of destiny it’s going to be called.  He said to me this 10 years are going to be called the Golden Years of the Melchizedek Priesthood.  He said that in this decade the Body of Christ is going to enter into its greatest understanding of its priestly and kingly destiny and as a church we discover the order of Melchizedek there will be a whole new way of presenting the suffering servant of Isaiah; our Messiah to the Jewish people.  Because most Jewish people historically because of the way Christians in the crusades treated the Jewish people the word Christ sometimes tends to have a negative affect with the Jewish people.  If they could see that the Messiah is also the Melchizedek who intercepted there the member of Judah that they respect the most, Abraham.  It would give them a whole fresh look; a whole fresh look that has not been contaminated by history that is authentically Jewish in terms of experience.  He said “You are going to see the greatest harvest of Jewish people during the next 10 years.  During 2012 to 2022 you are going to see more Jewish people saved in the next 10 years than you have ever seen at any time since the day of the Apostles.

Sid: Well, you know Francis sometimes I’ve wondered “Lord why and I’m 72 and my heart’s desire and prayer to God is that Israel would be saved; why are you giving us all this equipment at my age?”  All of a sudden we have technology that is the finest technology in the world; we’re going to be able to broadcast on every cell phone that is a smartphone in the world live in high definition.  I mean “Why God are you giving us all of these things” and you’ve just answered the question.  Because the next decade is going to be the decade of when the spiritual scales are going to come off the eyes of Jewish people.

Francis:  Yes yes, that’s what Jesus said.  He said, “This next decade as I’m restoring the understanding of the order of Melchizedek.” He said “Son not only will the church itself change its stature because it will understand its kingly and priestly destiny; the Gentile Church will rise in power and rise in stature.”  But He says “I will go after the descendant of Abraham in the natural because in the next 10 years I will represent myself; they will know me as a Melchizedek who met with their ancestor; whom they’re beloved ancestor Abraham.  They said “When the scales fall in the next 10 years that you are about to see.”  I’m excited because I mean I love the Jewish people but when the Lord said this He said “Watch these next 10 years you are going to see more recorded salivations of Jewish people coming to the Messiah than at any time since the day of the Apostles.” I’m like “Wow!”

Sid: What has God shown you about the increase of the miraculous; not just by the superstars on TV but those that have the Superstar inside of them; Jesus.  What is God showing you?

Francis:  That there is about to be such a collective manifestation of the miraculous in the Body of Christ that we have ever seen before.  Because what happens is this that when the Body of Christ realizes that our highest calling… this is very important.  Our highest calling is throughout the Bible is not to be a apostles, it is not to be prophets; it’s not to be teachers because all of these five-fold ministries the Bible says will pass away.  Do you know the only thing that remains when you get to Revelations Sid is that we have been bought by the blood to be kings and priests unto God.  Apostles don’t get into… when all the gifts cease Sid what remains forever and will never change it says we will be kings and priests unto God.  And when we enter that realm we are going to begin to experience the authority of the priestly authority and the kingly authority of the believer mixed together like a double barrel gun.  My God that is a recipe for miracles.

Sid: But you know what?  If someone doesn’t take care of restoring their genetics or as you call it their genetic salvation they’re going to be sabotaged from walking in their destiny in what God has created us to do.  I’m so excited about your book and 3 CD’s.  The book is called “Breaking Generational Curses” and you will break every curse permanently all the way back in your genes; all the way back to Adam.  You will understand for the first time who you really are; you’ll walk into the blessings.  Most Christians Jewish or Gentile don’t understand the blessings of Abraham; has that been your experience Dr. Myles?

Francis: Yes, you know most of them don’t understand the blessing of Abraham and so what happens is…the Lord said to me “Most of my people when it comes to the blessing of Abraham are short selling themselves.”  Because the many people think the blessings of Abraham is having a nice car, living in a nice house.  Which God wants  his people to do all of that Sid but the Lord said the 8 ingredients to the blessings of Abraham that money cannot buy that…

Sid: I’m sorry this revelation…

SID: So my guest, Nick Griemsmann, had incurable schizophrenia. Nick, what is like to have schizophrenia?

NICK: Sid, if you could imagine, if you take a vice, a metal vice with spikes in it, and if you take this vice and you put it on your head like a helmet and then you start screaming in your head evil profane things, blaspheming God, you know, different things like that, the blasphemy, the yelling in the head to kill yourself, that there’s no hope, and this cap would be on your head, and they tell you that it will never leave.

SID: So you go to this Assembly of God Church, you go up to the altar and someone begins to pray for you. What happened?

NICK: A nice man and his wife, they were praying over me and this spiritual force, I felt it, it lifted out of my head that night. It just lifted out of my head and at that moment I knew, I knew—

SID: What did you actually know? When this spiritual force lifted, what were, did you know?

NICK: Well I knew two things. One, that I was completely healed of schizophrenia at that moment. But two, I knew that there was some sort of evil nest of some type of spiritual force that some of it actually left, and I had hoped that I could pursue Jesus to receive my complete deliverance.

SID: So that was your first hope after all the stuff you went through. Okay. So you, step by step, the Holy Spirit directed you to do different things. I’m going to take you to your parents’ swimming pool. What, tell me what the Holy Spirit was teaching you and what you were doing?

NICK: I would put on worship music and I’d walk around the swimming pool outside and I worshiped the Lord, and I’d start commanding the demons to come out of my mind and stop causing torment. I used the Word of God and my faith, and I started commanding Satan to leave me in the mighty name of Jesus Christ. I did this in one day. I was doing it for over an hour. And I just knew that eventually something else was going to come out like it did that night at the church. And this day, I was working around the pool, worshiping God and commanding Satan to come out and this spiritual force from my stomach, it came up and it went uhhh, and it manifested, this thing, and it went out of my head. And I fell on the ground and I started weeping. I was weeping with joy. I was so thankful because I knew I didn’t need other people to pray for me to be delivered. I could actually do it myself.

SID: This was like self-deliverance. Now you have over a thousand pages of diagnosis of incurable schizophrenia. You also have something that it’s referred to as a decertification certificate. In other words, he can’t get any more welfare. He’s not insane. But what is insane to me is he’s now an administrator for that institution. Now how many people did you have working for you?

NICK: I had 40 to 50 working for me.

SID: Can you imagine that? Forty to 50 people with that same institution. I’ll tell you, Doctor, that’s cool. And you’re taking eight to 10 meds. Were you off of that completely?

NICK: Not instantly. So what happened to me, I didn’t instantly have a miracle like completely free from schizophrenia. The Lord took me through a process, which I noticed in the ministry that now that He does that a lot for people to teach them about His spirit and how to do spiritual warfare. So I went through a process and through that process with my doctor’s help and my case managers, and my family, I decided to try to wean off the medications. I did it very slowly. I don’t recommend to get off medications instantly. I went very slowly with my doctor’s help. And eventually within right about three or four months, I was completely off all the medications.

SID: Now you had a few doctors talk to you, especially your administrator now for this organization connected with the hospital. What did these doctors think when they saw your records?

NICK: The doctors, they can’t really explain it.

SID: I’m sure not.

NICK: It’s a great opportunity to witness God’s love to people. I might not necessarily get to preach at people or anything like that in a work environment. But I could witness to them that, you know, my faith helped me.

SID: And you know what’s so exciting about what happened to Nick? He says, this self-deliverance works for all sorts of problems, physical sickness, fear, emotional problems, addictions of all kind: pornography, alcoholism, drugs. It’s wonderful. Jesus wants you free. He wants you free. He has a hope for you. He has a future for you. We’ll deal with that when we come back. Don’t go away.