SID: What I love about David Herzog, he says that part of a way of aligning with Heaven is to live in the Glory, and he says anything he can do, you can do better. You can align with Heaven. You can live in the Glory. Speaking of getting in alignment with Heaven, many of us have been robbed in our DNA by bad stuff. You go to a doctor and the doctor says it’s, you have heart trouble because it’s in your genes. And many of us have been robbed of blessings that our ancestors were robbed of and they can pass right through to us. I mean, this is an amazing concept. Explain this to me.

DAVID: Yeah. Well DNA and blood has memories. So yes, it has memories of sicknesses, of sins. You see people that have broken homes because their fathers had it. But then what people don’t realize, once you break the curse off your family life, you need to go back and say, now Lord, liberate all the blessings on my ancestors to me, the wisdom they had, the gifts, the talents, the abilities, the inheritances. When you start praying like that, suddenly things start to happen. Even abilities you did not have before that were dormant suddenly start to happen. You start to have business understanding. You learn languages very fast, natural gifts, spiritual gifts, amazing things.

SID: I have friends that have just the mind, if you will, to be a musician, the mind to speak different foreign languages. Are you saying that that can be, so they have good genes for that. Are you saying we can rearrange our DNA?

DAVID: There are some times where you have no gift at all in a certain area and you break the curse off your bloodline and you liberate the blessings off your bloodline with the blood of Jesus, and suddenly you have abilities you did not have before. They were encapsulated in your DNA, but they weren’t liberated. Like I started learning languages way faster that would normally take me a lot longer to pick up, Russian or German, and also in a few weeks I was speaking like three or four languages, conversationally, which it would take me way longer. Even my IQ went up. Something happened, like [Russian].

SID: Sounds good to me.

DAVID: I mean, I know the accent is quite bad, but I was just picking it up a lot faster. Stephanie tells me about this, in Daniel, God showed her that your IQ goes up in the Glory, because Daniel said he was ten times smarter, wiser than all the other men that were there in the king’s palace. And he didn’t say study more. He said God gave him all manner of wisdom, understanding, literature. So even your IQ can go up in the Glory.

SID: Tell me about Israel. What do you see happening there?

DAVID: I see in Israel what’s going to come and what’s already starting is a massive move of God, revival. Many, many Israelis are going to come to know their Jewish Messiah, Yeshua. It’s already started. I’ve seen it, you’ve seen it. I’ve seen a few hundred come to the Lord. You’ve seen 600 recently. Something is going on. Yeah, there’s wars and rumors of wars. That will always be. But there is a massive move of God. As times get darker and darker, and the Israelis realize, wow, our only hope is God, many are turning to the Lord in these last days.

SID: You know, I’m reminded of the Glory cloud that followed the Jewish people in the desert. I believe people are going to literally see that Glory cloud in Israel, and just like people ran to Pensacola, Florida…

DAVID: Yes.

SID: …and Toronto, and the other revivals, people are going to run to Israel, not for just tours, but for the Glory of God. Would you pray for the Glory of God to come upon those that are watching right now.

DAVID: Yes. If you’re watching right now, I just say, God, bring your Glory, lift your hands and just close your eyes, and just receive this. Let the presence of God’s Glory permeate your room, your car, your television, wherever you are, let it just invade right now. Open heavens, the Glory to invade your life right now in Yeshua’s name. Every cell of your body, your DNA, your bones, your marrow, let it just explode inside of you, the Glory cloud cover you right now in Yeshua’s name.

SID: David, I have many friends that see doom and gloom, and destruction, and the economy falling apart, and bombs, and terrorism, and all these awful things. Then I have other friends that say, I may have seen the greatest awakening the world has ever seen. How can prophets of God have such two different views?

DAVID: It’s like, as for me and my house, we’re going to serve the Lord. Egypt was in the worst shaking ever. But God’s people within Egypt got out, transferred the wealth, the Glory cloud, signs and wonders. So there are things coming on the earth, but it’s perspective. What perspective are you looking at, positively or negatively? You do things in battle, a lot of people get saved. So for evangelists it’s going to be great. But the Lord showed me, it’s like when Elisha and the servant were stranded by the Syrian army. And in the natural we can see like in America there’s some really bad things being planned. But are you looking just at that or are you looking at third Heaven chatter, second Heaven chatter. As you look at the enemy’s war room you know what the enemy is planning, you can know all the details and get so engrossed in that and not go higher in the prophetic third Heaven chatter, where you’re actually in God’s war room and he goes, yes, the enemy is planning this, but here’s how I’m going to counteract it. Here’s how I’m going to bless you. Here’s how I’m going to even use that to bring more people to salvation. So yeah, the shakings are coming, but we’re not supposed to be in fear if we’re right with God and God will supernaturally use us and protect us.

SID: That explains it. Because I believe these people are hearing the chatter from the second Heaven, but I’m not. All I am hearing is awakening, glory, miracles, creative miracles. I want you to listen a lot to the third Heaven like I am.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. Could Christianity be so dumbed down that many will miss Heaven? My guest is going to expose something that is perverse in Christianity. Hello Side Roth here with John Bevere. Now most people assume a little baby, an innocent little baby is born with discernment knowing the difference between right and wrong, good and evil. What do you say, John?

JOHN: Well that’s the whole message here that I want to bring to the people today. Good or God is synonymous because today it seems to be. When you say good, people assume it’s God. But yet the Bible tells us in Hebrews, chapter 5, that the only way to recognize between good and evil is through discernment. If you look at King Solomon before he started his reign, he cried out to God, “Give me a heart to discern between good and evil.” So if good is so obvious, straightforward, why do we have to have discernment to get it.

SID: And you know what the most amazing thing to me is, the revelation you’re about ready to hear, it’s probably one of the most important that you will get between now and the time you go home or Jesus returns. This revelation came in a supernatural fashion to John Bevere. And you have a best-selling book, a million and a half in print, “The Bait of Satan”. Everyone has heard of John Bevere and his book. But it took a supernatural revelation from God for him to get this. What happened?

JOHN: Well this all began years ago in the late ’90s. I was flying to Sweden and I remember landing and my host picked me up, and said, “John, you don’t know this, but a very, very famous woman, she was globally known, was killed last night in a tragic automobile accident.” I was shocked beyond words. She was pretty, she had a great personality, she loved her fans and she was using her beauty and her influence to help victims of land minds, help victims that were poor and needy, and social injustice victims. And so I remember watching this news about people just weeping at her gates, weeping in the nation, and I’m grieving for like two or three hours. And I’m thinking, I’m speaking to like 6000 people tonight. I got to get ready for the service. And I turned the TV off. And Sid, I felt like in my grieving I was in error. So I got down at the end of my bed in Sweden. I literally knelt at the foot of the bed and I said, “God, I feel like I’m in error. What’s wrong?” And I heard so clearly, and this is the supernatural aspect of it, the Lord said, “Read Revelation 18.” I heard that so clearly. So I started reading Revelation 18 and I got down to the 8th or 9th verse and it said, “In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously in the same measure give her torment and sorrow, for strong is the Lord that judges her.” And I’m telling you, I felt like a bucket of ice water hit me in the face, because I’m a fan of this woman. And I said, “God, how could you ever use that scripture to speak to me about this woman.” I said, “God, everything she’s done, she’s helping the land mine victims, the poor.” And the Lord said, “She’s flaunted her adultery to the whole world. She’s openly rebelled against the house that she chose to submit to.” I said, “But God, all the good she’s done.” And I heard this so clearly, and this is what changed my life, Sid. The Holy Spirit said, “Son, it was not the evil side of the Tree of Knowledge, of good and evil that Eve was drawn to. It was the good side.” And when I heard that, I flew over to my Bible to Genesis 3, and I saw these words: “When the woman saw the tree was good it was pleasant and was desirable to make her wise.” And I dropped my Bible on my bed and I went, oh my, my. And the Holy Spirit said to me, he said, “Son, there is a good that is very rebellious to me.” Right then I saw all the way to the fact that the man of sin, the man of rebellion that’s going to deceive the nations, he’s going to have a good that’s scary good, but it’s going to be perfectly rebellious to God. And so out of that what I started realizing is that the best way that the enemy can deceive people, because Jesus, the apostles, they all spoke about deception and the last of the last days. In fact, Jesus said, if possible even the elect are going to be deceived. And so I started realizing the person who is deceived believes they’re on the side of truth, when in reality they’re not. How is the enemy going to deceive even the elect? It’s through good.

SID: So what you’re saying is that the enemy is going to wrap deception, which you would obviously know, with a package of good. Isn’t, that’s in effect what you’re saying, what happened to Eve in the Garden.

JOHN: Well the Bible doesn’t say that Satan can transform himself as an angel of light. It says he does transform himself as an angel of light and so do his messengers. So there is not only Satan transforming himself into an angel of light, his messengers and the message of the messengers. So there’s a message out there, hey if it’s good it’s God. No it isn’t, Sid. There is sometimes a distinction between good and God.

SID: You had a revelation that in the last days this deception would occur, the discernment between good and evil.

JOHN: Malachi points it out. The Book of Malachi. The Book of Malachi said, “The final days, the days right before the coming of the Lord, you’re not going to be able to tell the difference the righteous and the wicked until the fire of refinement comes.” So in other words, there’s a time period.

SID: The weed in the tares that Jesus talks about.

JOHN: The wheat and the tares, the exact same thing. That you’re going to have the righteous and the wicked together and everybody is going to think they’re all serving God.

SID: It’s going to get tricky and it’s going to get trickier the closer we get to the return of the Messiah. Speaking of trickiness, in the grace-holiness debate, John has some interesting answers. We’ll be right back.

SID: All right, Rabbi Schneider, you told me it is very important for us to understand the distinction between authority and power. Explain that.

RABBI SCHNEIDER: Well Jesus…“All authority,” Jesus said, “on Heaven and Earth has been given to me.” And we were saying before the break, Sid, that we have to know that we have authority in Jesus. Demons will not respond if we’re not standing a position of knowing the authority that Jesus has and knowing that in him we can use that authority. But there is a difference between authority and power. I like to explain it this way. A police officer has authority because of the office that he stands in, and of course, if someone gets pulled over by a car, a police officer gets out of the car, he or she is wearing the badge, often times they’ll have a hat and a uniform which represents their authority. And most people that are pulled over will cooperate with the police officer just because the police officer has authority. But sometimes people won’t cooperate and when people won’t cooperate with the police officer because of the authority, the police officer then has to back up his or her authority with power, whether it be a taser, billy club or whatever that is. And the same is true in dealing with demons. Sometimes demons will just respond to authority. However, some demons will not respond to the authority unless the authority is backed up by power. Authority is given to us automatically when we receive Jesus. But power has to be developed. Remember for example, they came to Jesus and they said, concerning the one that demon had not been driven out of, they said, “Why couldn’t your disciples not drive the demon out?” And Jesus said, “This kind doesn’t come out but by fasting and prayer,” which of course are two means of developing power. So to be effective we want to exercise both the authority that we have, but also develop power, and power comes simply by relying on God, depending on him, walking with him, prayer and all the other disciplines of the faith.

SID: Okay. So people have open doors. How do we close the doors and get rid of these demons?

RABBI SCHNEIDER: Well that’s a great question, and I personally believe that closing the doors often times can be a process. I find in my own life the deeper I get in my walk with Jesus, with Yeshua, the more in my heart I realize I need to repent of. In other words, often time the Lord will start off showing us surface things. But then the deeper we go we see perhaps elements of unforgiveness or pride, or spirit of accusation. And so closing the door involves, number one, repenting of sin continually as the Lord shows us in deeper ways sin within our hearts, areas that we might not know today, but in a year from now, because we’ve grown in grace, we’ll see them.

SID: But you know, in the world Christianity is saying because of a wonderful concept called grace we can go on our merry way, we don’t have to worry about those little sins.

RABBI SCHNEIDER: Yeah. Any truth carried to the extreme becomes a heresy, doesn’t it? Absolutely, we know the first thing that Jesus said was, “Repent, for the Kingdom of God…”

SID: I don’t hear that word much. I don’t go to congregations and the pastor gets up and says, “repent.” You know why? All the people get up and go out, and he wants them to get up and come in. But you know something? Without repentance you won’t even see God.

RABBI SCHNEIDER: Absolutely. And that’s one of the ways that we close the doors and keep demons from getting in. When we repent we close the door, we close out the darkness from our lives.

SID: When you talk to, in the spirit world, to a demon, how do you do that?

SID: You just speak, you don’t speak to them in terms of having a conversation, you speak at them.

SID: At them.

RABBI SCHNEIDER: You speak at them. Absolutely. You’re not looking to converse. I say, “Satan, I reject you. Get out of my head.” It’s just that simple. It gives the direct command to a demon the demon has to obey.

SID: But what happens if sense it didn’t happen immediately? Do you throw in the towel? Do you give up?

RABBI SCHNEIDER: Absolutely not. And that was part of the dream I shared a little earlier. When I grabbed a hold of that demon that was occupying my space, my house, I took a hold of him and I began to punch that demon in the face, and at first it seemed like nothing was happening. It seemed like I had no power. It seemed like all my energy was not having any effect on him. But you know what, I was so committed to getting free, I wasn’t going to stop. And as I persisted and as I kept going, bam, that demon broke. And it’s the same thing with deliverance. We have to be committed to being free and know that we will get free because Jesus said, “If the Son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed.”

SID: You personally battled with something that many of you are battling with right now, a spirit of fear. You think it’s yourself. No, no, no, no, no. It is a spirit of fear. I talked to someone recently, they told me they were afraid to speak in public. You know what I found, Rabbi Schneider?

RABBI SCHNEIDER: What’s that?

SID: Whatever your strength is, it always, you know, like attacked in that area, the person would do wonderful sharing in public. But they wouldn’t even try because they were fearful of it. What would you say?

RABBI SCHNEIDER: Well I would say that, number one, knowing the Word of God, knowing truth and using that truth as a weapon out of our mouth to speak is a key to getting free. The Word of God breaks the power of demons. Jesus, of course we know, defeated the devil in the wilderness and that before by speaking the Word of God. When we know that speaking the Word of God has life in it and we speak it at the demon, at the darkness, the darkness will break, the darkness will bend. It will lose its hold, and more and more we’re going to enter into freedom and into the light. I think it’s important that people recognize that this isn’t always just a one-time quick fix. This is a commitment to being free, knowing you will get free. The principles work. The principles that I keep, Sid, they work.

SID: Tell me how it worked with you, with fear.

RABBI SCHNEIDER: Well how it worked with fear with me is a number of different avenues. Number one, the truth. God began to reveal to me, number one, that the commitment to getting free wasn’t just about my desire to be free, it was about his glory. And then I began to use the Word of God against the devil in the specific areas that Satan was causing fear. In other words, if Satan was causing fear in the area of health I would use the Word of God against Satan in the area of my health. If Satan is using fear in the area of finances, then we use what the Word of God says about finances against Satan in that area. So wherever—

SID: Now when you say use it, what exactly would you do?

RABBI SCHNEIDER: I would quote it, I would, you know, David said he encouraged himself in the Lord. I would speak it to myself, quote it aloud. I would say, “Satan, I reject you, get out of my head.” Then I would replace his lie with the truth, speaking, this is what God’s Word says to myself to encourage my own heart. So I would cast him out and I would affirm myself in the truth.

SID: I would like you to pray right now for the people all over the world watching right now that are looking for help. Pray for them.

RABBI SCHNEIDER: Amen. Father, God, right now in Jesus’ name, I just want to thank you how much you love your children. Father, your word says, behold what manner of love the Father has given unto us that we should be called the children of God and thus we are. And you said, Father, greater is he that’s in us than he that’s in the world, and that this is the victory that’s overcome the world, our faith. Father, we want to thank you right now that in Jesus we already have the victory. Now Father, I speak a word of activation over your people right now that they would realize at a deeper level than ever before that your spirit lives within them, that life is on the inside and that the life that’s in them is greater than the power of darkness that’s outside of them, and that Father, you would activate them out of passivity into activation to use their faith by your spirit with the Word of God, in Jesus name. Satan, I break you off of God’s children’s life in Jesus’ name with the knife of God’s work. I command you to release them right, let them go and in Jesus’ name, I say to you beloved child of God, in Jesus you are free.

SID: Would you say that all believers have to get rid of garbage in their life that was picked up before they were believers or picked up from ancestry, or just a few?

RABBI SCHNEIDER: I think everybody. I think all of us are progressively journeying deeper into freedom and into God’s light. So I think this is for everybody. I think everybody has battles that they need to overcome. You know, Paul said at the very end of his life, “I fought the fight. I’ve run the race and now there’s laid out for me the crown of righteousness.” We all need to be fighting because nobody is yet perfectly free and all of us demand to enter greater freedom and greater peace.

SID: And I speak freedom to you right now. He has a name, Yeshua, Jesus the Messiah. You shall know the truth and the truth, it will set you free.

Sid: If you’ve been listening all this week I’ve had Heidi Baker on and Heidi is, I would not call her red hot for the Messiah, I’d call her white hot which is a shade more than red hot, red hot for the Messiah. I have her husband on the telephone right now. The Baker’s have a wonderful ministry in Mozambique, Africa. They’ve about 3000 churches started in the last couple of years. Leading large numbers of Muslims to the Lord, they have…Rolland how many orphans do you have now?

Rolland: We have well over 1000 in our main 2 centers in the southern capital of Maputo, then we have many others taken care of by our bush churches basically around the country.

Sid: Now I want the people to get to know you a little bit. I got to know you in a very indirect fashion. Many years ago I read a book called “Visions Beyond the Veil.” I was so impressed with this revival that occurred in China, then I found since he has the same last name as you that he was your grandfather. You recently… for those that are not familiar with “Visions Beyond the Veil” just very briefly what did your grandfather observe in China?

Rolland: Well he went to China as a Pentecostal missionary in the 1920’s and he really didn’t exactly what to do. He tried to be a classic missionary by preaching to adults and so forth. My grandmother didn’t really know what to do with herself, but she discovered outside their very very simple Chinese courtyard type house in this wild west town of Kunming where I was born. That she discovered children in the gutters just literally dying in rags and she began to take them in and wash them off and give them clothes and eventually they had a group of about 50 orphans. Many of these orphans were so sick and far gone when they picked them up they literally died in a few days, but eventually they had a group of 50 or so children that were actually were very ordinary children. They’re not particularly interested in spiritual things just naughty kids that wanted to play and so forth and didn’t want to sit in chapel and hear about the Bible or anything. So one day the Holy Spirit just fell on them very very powerfully so much so that these plain ordinary 10 year old kids were convicted of sin to the degree that they wept and hid under their benches and chairs, and for night and day, for days then were caught up by demons and carried off to hell. They didn’t understand the gospel for all they knew they were totally lost and had no hope whatsoever which is an experience I think most people need to go through but don’t in the western church. Then in these visions they experience being caught by angels saved by angels literally over the saints of hell and taken up into heaven and explained the gospel and taken to see Jesus. Then for days and weeks even months these visions would occur every day all day you know except for a brief times of rest and eating all heaven was opened up to these children in a fabulous way that I’ve never heard the equal of in church history.

Sid: Now did you ever meet your grandfather?

Rolland: Oh I knew him very well.

Sid: Did he ever prophecy or lay hands on you because it just seems there’s too close a connection with orphans both of you had with supernatural signs? It’s too close, did he?

Rolland: Well he never just formally laid hands and pronounced anything but he obviously took a deep deep interest in me. I have 4 sisters I’m the son in my father’s family and he only had one son. He just took a terrific interest in me as his grandson ever since I was a small boy 3 – 5 years old on his lap. He would just spend hours with me telling me stories of the supernatural world that he lived in when he was in revival in southwest China.

Sid: One quick story Rolland of what he told you when you were young, just one that had an impact, one supernatural story.

Rolland: Well he made the world of angels and demons very very real. He would tell me stories of how demons would get ahold of children and get ahold of people and entice them with worldly pleasures. In fact in his orphanages these demons would sometimes come inside and just spirits right through the walls and take them away and entice them with toys and money and delights and just offer them all sorts of enticements to keep them away from the things of God and thinking about the next life and all. The angels would come and rescue them and bring them back. Oh I could just go on and on. He always had a different story each time, but they would be so particular and so beyond the experience of the average Christian. So beyond the typical normal Sunday school life for the average kid. He would tell stories of demons giving them supernatural strength and power and insolence if only they would only give their soul to the devil and do his work and all. Then angels would come and he would tell stories of services in the mountains of China where demons would surround the churches outside in the night while they were trying to worship. Angels would be around the church inside the walls keeping the demons out and you could hear the demons outside screaming and cackling, and chanting, and yet these bright white angels inside would be protecting those who were worshipping. It was just extraordinary you know this whole supernatural world of heaven and hell and angels and demons and all was real; the average church goer never hears this stuff at all and the Bible just seems like a bunch of fairy stories and it’s hard to believe.

Sid: You recently went to China what happened?

Rolland: Well there is only one orphan alive still that I know of. He had been separated from the west behind the Bamboo Curtain for all those years. My grandfather was forced out by the communist in 1949. In 1980 China opened up again and my parents went in and met this particular man he’s now 83 years old. This is the man who became my grandfather’s walking companion, ministry companion all those 20 years that he was in the mountains after my grandfather moved out from the orphanage. He was my grandfather’s right hand preaching companion he did all his interpreting, and arrangements, and helped him with all his living arrangements, and carrying his possessions, he did all his translations he was just his man Friday. He just wanted to meet me that the years went by we were able to go to Kunming for a number of visits. But my father and even my mother had never been up to my grandfather’s territory in Yunam it was so far so remote and permission was not granted to westerners even after 1980 for a long long time to go up into that region. So even my parents had never seen it, but now China is getting more and more open, and more more free now finally those regions are open to foreigners to visit. But Lee Shui this man is now 83 and he does really not think that he could possibly go to heaven without a visit from me.

Sid: Hmm.

Rolland: He just really wanted to see me one last time in my grandfather’s territory in his home, in his mountain valley before he went to heaven. He was able to get that message by telephone to my mother last year. My mother went out to visit the city of Kunming where the orphanage was. It’s still a long ways from where my grandfather worked in the mountains, but she met with Lee Shui and he said he really wanted me to come and visit him, be with him, and go there before he died. He just could not die until I came. Last month, actually a few weeks ago I was able to finally make the trip and that was the first time a white man had been in that area in 50 years. It was so long ago most people had never seen a white man at all till they saw me.

Sid: So did you have people, children following you around wherever you went?

Rolland: Yeah nobody had ever seen a white and I was just a total object of attention. They had heard about my grandfather and my arrival just caused a huge stir. It was very emotional for me because when I was little I would hear about all his 20 mile hikes everyday from village to village evangelizing entire mountain valleys and one community after another with signs and wonders, extremely Pentecostal. Nothing had to be forced, contrived. He baptized personally some 10,000 people in wild cold mountain rivers and high altitudes and these people would just get so overcome by the presence of God on the river banks; they would just get lost in the Spirit and fall to the ground and roll and shake and laugh and get up in visions, and they’d come up out of the water speaking in tongues without ever hearing about tongues, and prophesying…

Sid: Speaking of prophesying out of curiosity in China or any of your travels have heard, or has the Lord shown you or Heidi, an indication as to where we are in history?

Rolland: Well my grandfather’s children had a lot of visions not just of heaven but past events and also future events of the tribulation. Now they do not know anything about the current controversy over when the tribulation is and the rapture is or anything like that. But they certainly saw a lot of the kind of power that we can expect in the last days. From those visions we can certainly see that God is not finished yet, He has not finished pouring out His Spirit on all flesh and we’re going to see a time of incredible harvest where the Holy Spirit takes ahold of His church, takes the reigns of His church and individuals of His body, and completely removes all reason for the world to accuse us of hypocrisy and weakness and all. He’s going to build a beautiful spotless bride and church and it’s truely going to glorify Him in the last days. The children would see God’s people transporting themselves like Phillip, you know to Samaria just going from place to place to place as they needed without the benefit of helicopters and airplanes, calling down fire from heaven on unrepentant towns and cities. Just being given extreme authority that was possible by the reason of their holiness and purity. We are entering that realm, we really are in Mozambique we’re beginning to see the possibilities. Our eyes are being open to that sort of thing and we realize that nothing is impossible all those dreams and desires and all the things we dared to hope for in God all of our lives, all the things we read in the Bible, all the greatness of God that we long to see fleshed out is actually unfolding.

Sid: We’re out of time!

Sid: I think that’s a very apt description of my next guest her name is Joan Gieson. I’m speaking to her at her home in St. Louis, Missouri. And you’ve probably seen Joan on television if you’ve ever watched the Benny Hinn show; she’s the woman that says “Pastor Benny” this person has just been healed of this disease or that disease” and now she’s in her own ministry. And the thing that I found so intriguing is that for years she also worked with one of my favorite ministries the Kathryn Kuhlman Ministry doing similar things and she has pretty much picked up strong anointings of healing from both of those wonderful ministries. But actually I want to take you back to the beginning you just had your first child and something happened to you and it only happens in the movies it’s not supposed to happen in real life what happened to you?

Joan: I just want to say hello to you this morning and thank you so much for allowing me to be with you today. You know I felt as though when the first call came in to be with you on your television program that it was one of the top 3 important things that ever happened in my life. And that saying something because I’m an old woman and I’ve done a lot but it was from the Holy Spirit that He allowed me to know that and I feel the same way about being with you today and tomorrow and the following days. In saying all of that thanks a million for allowing this to happen. But yes…

Sid: Well Joan that’s as a nice a compliment that I’ve ever had on the air so thank you but what happened after your first child?

Joan: Honey it was devastating I’m Italian and my name my maiden name is Palermo and my mom and dad they had 3 kids and all of us were strong as anybody could be there was no sickness other than measles and mumps and colds and just the general thing you know. And in the…with the Catholic people I don’t know if it’s with all of the Catholics, I mean Italians I didn’t mean Catholic Italian a pedigree is given to the intended husband. Before the marriage my mother and father took me to the regular doctor and the gynecologist and check all over and I had all of the reproductive organs in good condition. My teeth were good and my hearing was good and it sounded like selling a poodle (Laughing). And so my mom and dad that and said that “She’s healthy and she’s strong” and it was like part of dowry. And I got married and a wonderful wedding went on a honeymoon and now sometime later our first child was born and when he was just a little more than 2 years old I stooped over one day to pick something up off of the floor and my husband at that time was working from 12 noon until 10 at night and so he had already gone to work. And Michael was, that’s the little boy’s name, he was playing and when I stooped over to get this whatever it was that ever had fallen on the floor I got up and Sid I was completely blind.

Sid: Hm.

Joan: Well it’s not something that you can practice for or you can prepare for it’s like oh there was a fear that gripped my body that was so inclusive that I mean I could literally feel it’s clutches around me. And I yelled for Michael to come and he brought the telephone to me and I called the operator and had her dial my mother. And I said “Mom you’ve got to come quick I can’t see.” Well her and my grandfather came in a minute it seemed like and I was sitting in the living room and I would see bits and pieces of my sight coming back and then it would go again. Well within a couple of hours it had come back but the fear had not left. And my mom said “Okay now what happened here there’s something wrong we’re going to go out and buy a new hat and we’ll divert your attention to something else,” but she said “When I gave your hand to Frank that’s my husband you were perfectly sound and good and she said I want to know what happened.” That’s a good Italian mom.

Sid: It sounds like a Jewish mom but go ahead.

Joan: I think it came from the same pod you know I really do.

Sid: Well we both speak with our hands I know that.

Joan: Yes and I’m speaking with my hands yes absolutely. But my mom did she took me out to buy the new hat and I was thrilled with the new hat but it certainly did not take that fear away. And then she waited until Frank came home for dinner late that night after 10:00. And she said “Frank you know what’s happened here you know are there problems that I don’t know about?” And he said “No!” I mean he was just as shocked as we were. Well then we kissed each other goodbye and she left and we went to bed and the next day the very same thing happened. And at the end of our street there was a doctor, just a general doctor which I had never seen before. But when my mother and grandfather arrived my dad was at work also they took me down to this man and this man I was still blind when they took me into his office and they took me in as an emergency. And this doctor said “I do not know what’s wrong with her but I have a friend whose name is William Bailey and he’s an ophthalmologist and I called him and told him you were one the way. Well I went to him Sid and he said “You have optic the hemorrhages are behind both eyes and the optic nerves are swollen into the brain” and he said “There’s major trouble here and of course I can’t tell you conclusively what’s wrong but I’ve made an appointment with another doctor named Edmund Smallick” and I said “What is that?” And this time again the fright had come back but it wasn’t right. And he said “He’s a brain surgeon and I want you to see him and it’s my thinking that it could be several things. He said it could be a brain tumor and we want to check this out.” And so I went to this Edmund Smallick and what an unusual man this was. Now this was in one day Sid one day I went blind the next day it happened again. I went to the first doctor he sent me to the ophthalmologist which sent me to the brain surgeon that day. He said “I’m going to send you over to the hospital and I want you to be in there tonight we’re going to do some tests tomorrow and we’re going to see what we can find.” And I started crying, the guy gave me his handkerchief and he said “You know I haven’t done anything to you yet don’t cry” and he felt really bad for me because I was just…I had not really been sick and I did not know what was going on. And to think that this blindness could be part of your life now, but you know Sid the thing that scared me the very most was…

Sid: What was that?

Joan: If I would die I mean immediately I mean there was not only a blindness but there was a sick feeling that came over when this. Now I don’t know if it was an emotional sick or what it was but physically I felt sick. Again I don’t know if it was because of the stress of the thing but I just felt terrible, and so this is in one day. Now that night I’m in the hospital and laying there I’m crying. I never missed a Sunday for over 20 years in my Lutheran church I was born and raised in a Lutheran church not Catholic as Italians usually are but a Lutheran church. And I thought “If I die will I get to heaven?” Now that was so big inside of me the fear from the blindness was one thing, but the fear of maybe not making heaven was the…I think the most important of the two. And so they did the test the next day they injected radioactive isotopes into my veins through my arm. And they pact my body in sand bags and they today it’s an MRI and it’s very quick but then they ran this x-ray across my whole body to see if they could pick up any problem areas. Well it was almost an entire day that I had to lay still and I came out of that thing desperate, I was desperate. And so I called for my pastor and he came and I said to him “Pastor Zigoran I’m afraid if I die I don’t know if I am even going to get to heaven.” He said “Joan first of all you’re probably not going to die, second you will get to heaven because you’re a member of our church.” He said “And you and your husband tithed to our church” and he said “You’re little boy has been baptized in our church and everything that you’ve done revolves around the church; so because I can assure you that you’ve been a good worker you’re going to get to heaven.” Well I felt good but then when he left all of my hope went with him. And the next day testing was more grueling than the day before and on and on I remember staying there for 2 weeks and they could never pinpoint anything. So my plea by this time is desperate because this blindness is coming and then it’s going now it’s affecting my hearing, its affecting my walking, I cannot walk correctly, my balance off I’m dizzy. Now what I once knew as a perfect body was not any longer a perfect body I was an absolute mess.

Sid: Joan we’re out of time we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.

SID: Now another key for making right decisions every time simply is praying in a supernatural language. The Bible refers to it as unknown tongues. Tell me why that’s so important.

KAREN: Well it’s your spirit praying directly to God. You know, when the Bible says when we pray in tongues we don’t have an understanding in our minds, and so there’s so many benefits to praying in tongues. First of all, it makes you bold. Second of all, it gives you, it helps you pray out the mysteries of the future. You know, he who prays in tongues is praying directly to God for his mysteries. And you know, the future is a mystery to us. Right. And so if you’re seeking God’s direction or asking him for right decisions, when you pray in the Spirit or pray in other tongues, you’re praying out things in your future, like when you get there, it’s ready for you already set up by God. And another, in you know, Romans 8:26 it says that, “The Spirit helps us pray when we don’t know what to pray for as we ought.” I don’t know about you, but there’s lots of times I run into things when I know somebody should pray, but I don’t know what to pray for.

SID: You know the symptoms, but you don’t know the causes. Wouldn’t it be great to be able to pray precise prayers.

KAREN: Yes.

SID: From the Spirit of the Living God to change the circumstance in your life or a loved one’s life.

KAREN: You know, I think about Peter on the day of Pentecost. This is a guy who denied the Lord three times and was probably feeling guilty, and was feeling weak. But he went to the Upper Room with the disciples. When the Holy Spirit fell they all spoke in other tongues and then Peter preached, and won 3000 people to the Lord that day.

SID: Well my message to you is start praying in tongues.

KAREN: Yes, absolutely.

SID: But you tell people, and I think this is phenomenal, when they go to sleep, go to sleep praying in tongues. Explain a little bit.

KAREN: I was in children’s ministry for like 21 years and so I got lots of kids filled with the Spirit praying in other tongues, which is so exciting. I used to tell them, guys, you got to practice and so I gave them a practice time. Every night when you lay your head down on the pillow just pray in tongues. And then adults heard me teaching kids that, and they would come back to me and say, you know, I go to sleep praying in tongues and I wake up knowing stuff.

SID: The Bible says you have to become like a little child.

KAREN: It’s true.

SID: Pray for people right now that are born from above, because that’s the only requirement, born again. You believe Jesus died for your sins, his blood washed them away, you’ve repented and you asked Jesus to be your Lord. If that’s you, pray for them to receive the filling the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. And by the way, you can be filled with the Holy Spirit without speaking in tongues, but you could speak in tongues if you’re filled with the Holy Spirit.

KAREN: Yes. And it’s easy. You know, this is a gift from God. When somebody wants to give you a gift and they’re holding it out like this, what do you do? You just take it. You don’t have to qualify for it. You don’t have to earn or deserve it. It’s just something given to you by God. And God has put his Holy Spirit on the earth ever since, Acts, Chapter 2, Verse 4, ever since the day of Pentecost, for us, for a gift, and it’s not hard to receive it. In fact, all you have to do is just pray this prayer with me. Father God.

SID: Father God.

KAREN: I ask for the gift of the Holy Spirit.

SID: I ask for the gift of the Holy Spirit.

KAREN: Fill me with your spirit.

SID: Fill me with your spirit.

KAREN: With the evidence of speaking in tongues.

SID: With the evidence of speaking in tongues.

KAREN: I receive it now.

SID: I receive it now.

KAREN: In Jesus’ name.

SID: In Jesus’ name.

KAREN: It’s that easy.

SID: Now you can’t talk English without cooperating with your mouth and your lips. Right? You can’t speak from, it’s not coming from here any more and this will rebel, it’s coming from here, your belly. Therefore, you’ll not hear it until you do your part, God will do his. You can’t speak in English unless you articulate the words coming from your brain. You can’t speak, I don’t know how, perfect, it’s unknown. You start speaking as quickly as you can, a language you haven’t been instructed, like a little child, right now. [speaking in tongues]. Now if you don’t start speaking, no one else will do it. [speaking in tongues]. Someone’s ear was just opened in Jesus’ name. [speaking in tongues]. Hey, this really is supernatural, Karen. Now what if someone has missed it? They know they’ve missed it. Are they finished?

KAREN: No.

SID: Good.

KAREN: Haven’t we all.

SID: Of course.

KAREN: You know, I think nobody has done everything perfectly. And the devil would love you to believe that now you’re disqualified, you know, or that was your only chance and it’s over for you. But he’s a liar, you know. If the Bible shows us anything, it shows us people who got another chance, you know. Look at Moses. He killed an Egyptian and he thought his time for being a deliverer was over, but no, God’s plan for him was go, he kept going.

SID: Look at David.

KAREN: Look at David. We’re talking about, you know, sleeping with somebody else’s wife, getting her pregnant and killing her husband. I mean.

SID: You think you did bad.

KAREN: Exactly. And yet even the New Testament still calls him a man after God’s own heart. He repented, you know. And so if you’ve missed it, if you feel like you’ve gotten off track, I’m telling you, God is big enough to get you back on track.

SID: Well I want you to pray right now for people, right now.

KAREN: Okay. Father, we just come to you, I come to you on behalf of those who have maybe missed it, maybe gone off track, maybe gotten in the wrong direction. And Father, if I just pray that you give them Divine impartations and truth, and revelation that they can ask you for forgiveness and they can go on that your plan for their life is still coming to pass, that what you created them for will, is still your plan for their lives. I pray over those people. I pray that you are able to just receive God’s forgiveness and keep on going because he knows how to get you right back on track in Jesus’ name.

SID: And my way of saying the same thing is just throw off the dust and the horrible things and say, thank you for your blood. I repent, Jesus. Now you have to repent. Don’t get me wrong, that means a change of action, you’re sorry. You repent and I’m going to tell you, you will not miss a step of what God has for you in your life.

KAREN: Yes.

SID: You are ready to walk into your destiny. And God told me tell you that right now. That’s his message for you.

SID: So have you ever said to God, God, I’m so practical, just tell me what you want me to do and I’ll do it. Have you ever said that? You know, have you ever said, God, I just don’t hear your voice. I feel so sorry for myself. No, you never say it that way, but that’s what you’re really saying. That’s the way most of us feel.

GARY: Yes. Before I learned, that’s how I would feel. But hearing God’s voice is the key. The Bible says that, “The Kingdom of God does not come by observation, but it is in us,” Luke, chapter 17, verse 20. We already have the Kingdom. We already have every answer we need, the capacity to hear already in us. First Corinthians says that we have the mind of Christ, and so that’s, we have to tap into that. And like the story we told about Luke, chapter 5, the fishermen, Jesus told them where the fish were. Now all we need is to be able to hear. And of course, when Peter had taxes to pay, Matthew 17, Jesus said, “Go catch a fish and you’ll find a gold coin.” And so.

SID: But you know, if someone just had that thought, they would say, that’s ridiculous, I’ve just been fishing all night, I’m not going to do that.

GARY: Yes. Yes.

SID: That’s what people do, you explained to me. We get these God thoughts and we flick them off. I don’t hear from God. Get off that thought.

GARY: Yes. Well a lot of thoughts we hear are for a reason. I always say your answer is hidden from you for you. We read in First Corinthians, second chapter, speaking of Jesus being born, that if Satan would have known about the plan of God he would not have crucified Jesus. So Satan will always, if he can pick up on the plan of God, he will change his tactics. So God uses strange and sometimes unusual directions to us so that Satan does not know what the heck is going on. And we actually go capture wealth and capture opportunities before he actually can pick up on it and interfere with it.

SID: We talked about a secret weapon that’s mysterious.

GARY: Yes.

SID: What’s the secret?

GARY: First Corinthians, 12, 13 and 14 — 13 says, “Show the love of God,” the love chapter, but it starts, “Though I speak with the tongues of men and angels.” And First Corinthians 14:2 says, “A man who prays in the Spirit, who prays in tongues utters mysteries out of his own spirit, and he actually edifies himself.” The word “edify” means teach or instruct. So as we pray in the Spirit, God is downloading to our spirit mysteries that bring the capacity for us to pick up on revelation of direction of things we have need of, of the instructions. Just like as if Jesus were sitting there with you, he would say there’s the fish, go catch them.

SID: Stop flicking off God’s ideas. That’s the message.

GARY: Yes.

SID: So we have a young man in our mailroom and he got so excited, he’s working for us, and he said, “You’re having Gary Keesee. I listened to his teaching and I had literally a miracle happen.” Ian, you’re sitting in the back. Would you stand up for a moment. He, newly married. They had their first child. They want a home. All he has is a couple thousand dollars. So he reads the teaching. There’s the most phenomenal story. And rather than use the 2000 for the house, which they probably could get the house they wanted anyway, rather than use that he found out about a woman that had a severe need. And guess what he did? He planted his 2000, which is all he had, all he had into that family. So what happens? Make a long story short, a relative says, I’m going to give you $15,000, out of the blue, and he gets the house of his dreams because he applied, he didn’t just give to get. He gave where his heart showed him a, really a bigger need than he had.

GARY: Yes.

SID: And that made the difference. But that was following, and that’s the amazing thing. It was following after he listened to Gary’s teaching.

GARY: Right.

SID: When you apply God’s laws in the Spirit, the supernatural happens and although it may take a few years using supernatural principles to get out of debt, do you know that God is speeding everything up. This is your moment right now. Don’t miss it. We’re in a living in a new time, a new period. Heaven is coming so close to Earth. Don’t give up. You’re at the finish line. Pray what God is showing you right now.

GARY: Father, in the name of Jesus, I break the spirit of anxiousness over the fear of lack. I break the spirit of poverty in Jesus’ name. Father, your Kingdom is a kingdom of wealth and you give us the grace to prosper in the name of Jesus. Amen.

SID: You know, I wish you could hear the conversations I have with my guests during break time. It’s some of the best stuff we do is during that time. For instance, Hank said to me during the break, accuracy isn’t the only barometer to measure a prophet by because if you remember it was Balim prophesied accurately. But so what is it besides accuracy, you were telling me, God spoke to you?

HANK: Balim was a very accurate false prophet. Okay. The Lord said this me. He said, accuracy, yes, is important, but authority. And when Jesus spoke, they didn’t say, who is this that speaks with such accuracy. They said, who is this that speaks with such authority. And I believe that you’ll be able to feel on the prophecies that are given the authority that which comes from Heaven, prophets of the Lord versus prophets of the land. There is a difference.

SID: Okay. Obamacare, what did God tell you about it?

HANK: Well one of the prophecies that the Lord gave is that Obamacare, it will be repealed. Now when that’s going to happen, I’m not sure. But I will say this. Will it be repealed? Yes. That was the prophecy. Does that mean that it’s going to be overthrown? Does it mean that there’s going to be something else in its place? All I know is however it shakes out, it will be repealed.

SID: What about you were really grieved when the same-sex marriage was approved by the Supreme Court and God spoke to you about that.

HANK: Yeah. What I was saying, I spent two days with the Lord and I said, “God, what is wrong?” And I said, “Lord, what were you thinking?” He said, well, he said “Hank, obviously the White House knew the outcome” just like God did because they had the lights that shown with the colors of the rainbow. But I said, “Lord.”

SID: Whoa, whoa, whoa. I hope you caught that what he just said. They knew before the public knew. They had everything set up for those colors.

HANK: And so I said, “Lord,” I said, “People are calling me on the phone saying, ‘America is now finished.’” I said, “God, what do you say about this? What do you think?” And you know what God said to me? He surprised me, Sid. I said, “Lord, what did you do?” He said, “I turned and I looked at the mercy seat and I remembered my covenant that I have with my son Jesus Christ.” You see, what overcomes evil? The Bible says it’s good that overcomes evil. It’s the goodness of God that leads men to repent. God doesn’t like certain things. But it’s his goodness that will lead men to repentance. That’s why Jesus went about doing good, Acts 10:38, in healing all that were repressed of the devil. The Spirit of God says, “Why do you fear? What is about those in this earth that at this time that are fearing,” says the Lord. “Why do you fear North Korea? Why do you fear Russia? Why do you fear those who desire to come against the apple of my eye, Israel? For God says, do you think that I have lost control? For I tell you in this time that I have an arsenal, a host that is standing upon the horizon of this planet that are ready to shift things in favor of me and of the risen Christ Jesus. Do you not understand that in this moment of time that this earth is being awakened to my goodness and to my power, and to my Glory? For my Glory, yes, it shall come and it shall overcome the darkness and you will see the manifestations of my power in unusual ways and unusual places.” And God says, “It shall deal and grab a hold of the spirit of fear by its neck, for it shall lose control because of my goodness and my glory that are coming upon this earth.”

SID: So give me some advice. You’re watching CNN, you’re watching Fox, you’re watching news, you’re talking to most Christians. You’re listening to most prophets and it sounds like it’s the end of the world. It sounds like the worst times. It sounds like everyone is going to be beheaded by ISIS. How should we react? What should we do?

HANK: Well Jesus said it. He said, Luke 21, he said, “Men’s hearts are going to fail because they’re looking at the things that are coming here after the earth.” This is where prophets have to be careful and here in the body of Christ. We can’t spend all of our time listening to the news report and getting the reports of this realm. We’ve got to start going up higher and getting the perspective of God. That’s why Moses had to go above the dark cloud. But here’s the thing. Matthew 24, people quote that all the time. Even the disciples were saying, once we enter the age, you know, Jesus said there will be wars, rumors of wars, nations in perplexity, earthquakes in various places. And then he said, “But the end is not yet.” But he says something in Verse 14 that we completely pass over. He says, “This Gospel of the good news will promote my good. This Gospel of my kingdom, the good news of my kingdom shall be preached as a witness.” What witness? The witness of the demonstration of the power of God mixed with the good news of God. Then the end shall come. We need to promote his good. We need to declare his goodness. His proclamation and his goodness go together. For example—

SID: What do you mean by proclamation and goodness?

HANK: Well Jesus went into the temple, Luke 4:18. He said, he proclaimed, “The spirit of the Lord God is upon me.” He proclaimed it. He said it. We have to say it. He said, “He’s anointed me”, what, “to preach the Gospel,” there’s the good news again, “to the poor.” When Moses wanted to see the Glory, Exodus 33:18, the next verse, God said, “I’ll cause my goodness. I’ll proclaim and cause my goodness to pass before thee.” There is something that God does when we start declaring his goodness. For example, the Lord said, “Quick cursing America. Bless America.” I remember one time, Sid, I was praying in my brown, at that time I had a brown sofa. And the curtains began to blow and there was an aroma that filled, you know how the Bibles call in the Rose of Sharon, the smell like a rose smell, beautiful smell. The curtains began to blow. Jesus walked in. And I tell you, he put his hand on my shoulders and I buried my face in the couch. I was so afraid and I trembled like a young child. I was, and it felt like I was out of control. He put his hands on me. He said, “I called you to be a prophet to this nation. I called you to be a prophet to the nations.” But he said, “I want you to understand about America, Hank.” And he held out his hand and he said, “I still hold in my hand the sands and the prayers, and the tears of your forefathers, and the sands that are soaked with the tears and the prayers of your forefathers. I still hold them in my hand.” You see, God is looking at this nation and the earth from a whole different perspective. He’s wanting to bring his good that overcomes the evil. He’s wanting to bring his Glory. You know one of the ways to bring his Glory is through, again, proclamation, proclamation and goodness to the Lord.

SID: How about the reverse? If you proclaim doom and gloom, and fear.

HANK: Exactly.

SID: You bring that.

HANK: That’s why we’re seeing what we’re seeing on the earth today, people going the way of fear. And what it’s doing, and God even spoke one day and he said these words, and I want you to hear what he said. He said, “Why are they stealing the future from the children of this generation and the next?” It gives them no hope. It gives them no future when you tell them that, you know, there’s no good any more. Everything is just going to go bad. Well if that’s the case, then why doesn’t the Lord come for us? It’s because he has a plan. Listen, Isaiah, Chapter 9, Verse 6, let me quote this. It says, “Unto us a child is born,” talking about our Messiah. “Unto us a son is given. The government, the kingdom shall be upon his shoulders.” And it says, “And of this kingdom that’s on his shoulders, it shall increase” As long as God’s church is here in the earth, we don’t need to go anywhere. We don’t need to be afraid. It’s going to continually increase. And the Bible says in Verse 7 of Isaiah 9, “It will have no end.”

SID: When we come back, I’m going to ask Hank what he sees for 2016.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone, I’m speaking to him at his office in Tiberias, Israel is Eric Morey. One of the things that I always want, and I always need, many times I can’t even put my hand on it is a Jewish Biblical calendar. Why do I want this? Because I want to know when the Biblical festivals are because there is such insight into understanding what God’s going to do in the future all wrapped into these Biblical festivals. So the last time I was in Israel I was visiting my friends Eric and Terri Morey who run several businesses in Israel. They showed me a calendar which they called “The Zechariah Prophecy Calendar.” I have Eric on the telephone; Eric why did you pick the Prophet Zechariah to revolve with pictures around this calendar?

Eric: Well Sid the prophecies of Zechariah are so timely for today, especially in towards the end of chapters 12 and 14. It’s like reading tomorrow’s newspaper. It’s so incredibly timely…

Sid: Speaking of about tomorrow’s newspaper, I must ask you a question because you’re living in the land. Yet prophets that I respect are prophesying now that there will be a relative calm in Israel as opposed to… almost the daily or weekly suicide bombers. You’re living there, what are you sensing, what are you experiencing?

Eric: Well I have been sensing for some time that the violence is going to reach a climatic period, then it was going to drop off and that there would be a period of relative calm; not that it would be confused with peace. “Peace, peace, peace, but there is no peace.” There can be a calm and I believe that it may not be too far away. I sensed actually back at Passover when there was that horrible homicide, I like to refer to this as homicide bombings, rather than suicide bombings. That horrible homicide bombing at a Passover Seder in a hotel in Netanya, 26 people I believe were killed and many wounded. It was an atrocity above most atrocities you could imagine. The Israeli army then reacted very strongly and went into several of these refugee camps especially Jenin and I believe that was probably the peak in the violence that I was expecting. I expected the period of calm to develop more quickly than it has. We don’t see in it our eyes yet, we are still experiencing suicide bombings, and the threats of suicide bombings, but I really do believe that a period of relative calm could even last for several years is just around the corner.

Sid: I believe that too, I also believe that what a time for Christians to show solidarity to Israel by going on a tour. They’ll probably never have it not crowded as it is, and the prices as low as they are.

Eric: Yes that’s true this is a great time to come. For the next few months if there is a period of calm, and it stabilizes then tourism will… there will be a rush actually to come here. So it would be better to come earlier rather than later.

Sid: I agree. Now going back to the Zechariah Prophecy Calendar I have it in front of me. Some of the things I love about it, and I literally love about this calendar Eric, is: Number 1, right at the start you list every one of the Biblical festivals and you explain from the scriptures what they mean. But the thing that really attracted me, I have to be candid with you, is you just happen to have my favorite scripture on the cover. It’s Zechariah 4:6 “Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit sayeth the Lord.” Describe to me the artwork on the cover.

Eric: Well that prophecy by Zechariah was given at a very interesting time in the history of Israel. They had returned from Babylon, or a remnant had returned from Babylon, and they were trying to… they had started to rebuild the temple. Then there had been some controversy and the king, or the emperor of Persia, had ordered the construction to stop. It stopped for 14 years, meanwhile the Jewish people who had returned from Babylon are building houses for themselves and farms and so forth. Zechariah, and also Haggai a contemporary prophet, both began to prophecy that the time had come to build the house of the Lord. To finish, complete the building, only the foundation had been laid. So this… and there were many obstacles to this, in fact the king of Persia had not yet given permission to restart the building. It was one of the obstacles. So it looked like it was a great mountain of obstacles in the way of this building project which was God’s House. Zechariah said “No God will provide the way, but it won’t be by power, it won’t be by might, it will be by His Spirit,” sayeth the Lord of hosts. So the prophecy there at that point in chapter 4 it describes a scene, a very prophetic scene, a very mysterious scene. Many many interpretations of what this means but it has 2 olive trees. Between the 2 olive trees is a beautiful gold 7 branched menorah, candelabra. This candelabra is a kind of perpetual motion machine because connected to it are some pipes that go to a bowl of golden oil. There are 2 pipes coming from these 2 olive trees that feed olive automatically, no human intervention into the bowl and then the bowl feeds it into the lights. You know candelabras in those days didn’t work from candles actually…

Sid: You know most people when they read about the menorah, the candlesticks, in the Bible they don’t visualize what it really looked like. This is really exactly what it looked like.

Eric: Well we commissioned these paintings from a Russian artist, a Messianic artist who was trained in classic painting in Russia and she is just an extraordinary artist. She’s able to create in her mind these incredible pictures and I was taking direction from the scripture and giving her input and going back and forth with sketches, and paintings and so forth until this is what came out. It’s this incredible gold menorah with the oil coming out of the 2 olive trees, lighting the, it’s a perpetual light this light will never go out because as long as the trees are producing olives the olive is going into the bowl, the oil is going into the 7 branches of the menorah and the light will be continual. In the background, now we see a building project some stones on the ground and a man holding the plumb line. This man is Zerubbabel because Zerubbabel was the governor of Judea…

Sid: Now what is a plumb line used for?

Eric: The plumb line is an engineering tool and it is used to measure the vertical dimension a building to make sure it is straight. So it’s an engineering tool, it’s an architectures tool. So he is back there getting ready to start the building again. He’s holding a plumb line. A plumb line is mentioned in the prophecies of Zechariah as well. It is a very very interesting side line to this scene because they thought that they could never build this temple because the king of Persia had forbidden it and he never changed the rule. They started building anyway and Zechariah and Haggai had concurred so much that they went ahead and started building again. The Samaritans, the old Samaritans our friends, came down and started to interfere in the building project that had just had they done in the days of Nehemiah, similar story it was a latter period of time than Nehemiah. So as they are interfering they write a letter to the king of Persia, the new emperor it was not the same emperor who had stopped the construction, and it wasn’t the sand who had commissioned it in the first place, it was the 3^rd emperor in the line of Persian emperors. They sent a letter to him and said “These Jews are starting to build their temple again and they’re probably going to rebel against you and it’s going to be nothing but trouble. So you better stop it now.” But then they mention in their letter the fact that the original king of Persia, Cyrus the Great had actually ordered the temple to be rebuilt. He had commissioned the temple to be rebuilt. In a sense sends Ezra and Nehemiah back to begin the building project. So they mention this is their letter, the king of Persia had his archivist go back into the archives and pull out this old scroll, I think it was maybe 50 years later, and sure enough Cyrus the Great himself had commissioned the building of this temple. This emperor sent back a letter and said “Look, not only are they going to build their temple but you Samaritan governor are going to supply all the building materials.” That’s how the prophecy was fulfilled, “Not by might, nor by power.” The mountain Zechariah was referring to was overcome so much so, not did they get to build it, not only did the king allow them to build it; the king ordered his servants to supply the building materials.

Sid: You know as I studied that specific prophecy that we’re discussing. Zechariah 4:6 “Not by might, nor by power, but My Spirit sayeth the Lord.” The prophecies in Zechariah about the candlesticks and the 2 olive trees, I think it is very obvious it stands for the 2 witnesses of the last days. But I see it also as a type of the of the One New Man, the Jew and Gentile becoming one and that’s what got me so excited about this cover you have here for your prophecy calendar. This must be an unusual artist that you commissioned Eric?

Eric: Very very talented, and very very well trained.

Sid: What was her training?

Eric: She was trained in Russia in classical painting. They don’t train artist like that in the west anymore that’s hundreds of years ago, but in Russia they still listen to the classical music and they appreciate the classic arts, and they have trained painters in these antique classic painting methods that create these incredible pictures. It’s like a Renaissance painting, it’s like a Michael Angelo, or Leonardo da Vinci paining it’s that style it’s classic.

Sid: Actually someone could actually just probably tear this calendar apart, I hope you don’t do it and frame every one of them they’re suitable for framing.