KYNAN: Were back! You’re on “Something More!” And I’m telling you we’ve been talking about the relationship between the prophetic and warfare and warfare and the prophetic! How do we navigate the waters of warfare to see our prophetic word come to pass? Dr. Naim, we were talking –

NAIM: Yes.

KYNAN: Before the break about a lot of times people get a word. They get, you know, a revelation and immediately the enemy comes which is no coincidence! Jesus said, “When you hear the word of the kingdom the wicked one comes immediately.”

NAIM: Yes.

HAKEEM: Yes.

KYNAN: So talk a little bit about that. How that works and how we can navigate those waters.

NAIM: Well you know as I was saying about Daniel when Daniel fixed his heart to pray.

KYNAN: Yeah.

NAIM: God has already sent the answer! And Jesus said those that may be listening or watching, you know you may be a little discouraged because of the warfare or because of the prophecy. I mean we’ve been in meetings and we prophesied some things over people and we get emails and we get messages and they say, “Well you know I’ve got a lot of warfare.” You know?

KYNAN: Yes. [laughs]

HAKEEM: “And it just seems like that everything is opposite of what you’ve spoken, over us.”

KYNAN: [laughing] Yeah.

HAKEEM: And they’re a little discouraged by that. And even they may say, even somebody says, “Uh, I’m a little leery. I’m a little complexed about that prophecy.” But the prophetic is a navigational system!

KYNAN: WOW!   

NAIM: To help you through warfare!

KYNAN: I love that!

NAIM: And also your prophecy is your weapon in times of warfare because the opposition makes it look like it’s not God but it’s also confirmation it is! Because the enemy would not fight you if that word wasn’t sent if it wasn’t spoken. And so it initiates some things in the heavenlies because the enemy wants to stop that word from coming through!

KYNAN: Mmm!

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Warren Marcus. And as the rabbis always say to me, are both of your parents Jewish? Warren, are both of your parents Jewish?

WARREN: Definitely. Both of my parents are Jewish. And as far as I know, all the generations were all Jewish.

SID: Warren had an outstanding career on Madison Avenue as a film producer, filmmaker, and then you blink your eyes a few times and he’s working 700 Club, Jerry Falwell, Sid Roth. What’s a nice Jewish guy working for all these Christian organizations?

WARREN: I really believe God really has for every single person, Ephesians the book of Ephesians says that, “He foreknew us before the foundation of the world and has actually a calling and destiny for every one of us. But we need to step into that destiny.” And so for me, I mean God sought me, because I was five years old. I’m playing with my friend outside and there’s this lightning and thunderstorm starts. And he says, “I’m going home. Lightning, it could kill you.” Then next thing, about 15 feet away, a flash of lightning hits right on the ground. Well, I got up and I started crying. I ran into the house, and my agnostic Jewish sister picks me up. She says, “What’s wrong?” And I said, “It’s lightning. It could kill me.” So she looks at me, “Lightning. It won’t hurt you. God will protect you.”

WARREN: So, I never heard you know God? And she goes, “You can’t see him. He’s invisible. He lives in a place called heaven, but yet he’s everywhere.” So I thought, “Is he in my bedroom at night when it’s dark?” she goes “Yes, he’s there too.” So I got more frightened of this unseen entity named God than the lightning and thunder. And I was in that room at night. It was dark, and I was so petrified. And I finally fell asleep and, Sid, I had a dream that I was in heaven, lightning and thunder. I was frightened. And then in a distance, I saw the clouds parting in a circular fashion and the most beautiful golden light. I didn’t realize, but it was the Shekinah Glory of God that I was seeing.

SID: Jennifer, one more quick story about Azusa Street. I can’t hear enough about what God did in that. It started with a one-eyed African American pastor and a few African Americans and spread worldwide. Tell me one more, quick.

JENNIFER: So I was just doing some tent meetings in Kentucky a few months ago in a place where the Cane Ridge Revival and the Great Awakening was birthed. And I’m sharing about the revival history of Kentucky. And then I decided to add the story of Azusa Street on top of those stories. And as soon as I did that, a guy watching starts to shake like he’s getting electrocuted. People start coming to the front, not even being invited, lay down prostrate and there’s mud. They’re literally on their knees and on their face-

SID: I heard it was raining there.

JENNIFER: … in the mud because they wanted more of God. And these are Christians who are like, “I’m all in,” consecrating themselves. I’ve never seen that. I was marked and moved and it inspired even me just to see their hunger. It was incredible.

SID: How important is fasting in most of the great moves of God in the history of the world? How important?

JENNIFER: Well, I don’t know if you knew this, but Azusa Street Revival was birthed when William J. Seymour and a few of his friends were on a 10 day fast. And that is crazy because a century later, we are still living in the momentum of a 10 day fast that a small group of people went on. That’s incredible.

SID: Tell me some others that you know about.

JENNIFER: Most revivals have been marked by hunger and the way you get hungry is you fast. And so I’m sure you can probably trace most, any revival. Evan Roberts would pray and fast for 13 years for a move of God, until he finally saw a move of God in 1904. And he realized what he was praying his whole life for had finally come when, I think a handful of people got saved.

SID: I understand that one of the people that mentored you, one of the true heroes of the faith, Heidi Baker, what happened when she fasted?

JENNIFER: Oh, she was on, I believe, a five day fast. As a teenager, when God called her to Africa, England and Asia, she got her life defining call on a fast early in her life. And she’s since we know the nation of Mozambique has absolutely changed because she’s given her life to them. And that came from being on a fast.

SID: Fasting is so misunderstood, Jennifer.

JENNIFER: Yeah.

FRANCIS: Then after the while he said, you know what, I don’t believe in God, I don’t even care about men, but I do care about my peace of mind. And this woman’s nuisance value is rising and I want to deliver myself of this, so he gave her justice and protection from the adversary. Jesus then says, what about your heavenly father? How much more shall we avenge his own elect? So Jesus is telling us that unless something has been dealt with in the court of heaven, you can’t give up on it. That’s where anything else you couldn’t get answered in prayer is answered because the judge now gets to rule on it.

SID: Now, when you’re in court, the person coming against you or suing you, if they don’t show up, the court case is dismissed. How’s this work in the heavenly court?

FRANCIS: The Lord spoke to me, he said, Francis, my children, he said to me, the devil keeps getting default judgments in the court of heaven because my people don’t show up for court. It’s so important for us to show up in the court of heaven so we can silence the accusations of the enemy, because accusations is what gives the enemy legal right to even enter the court of heaven in the first place. Just like in the world of men, unless you are accused, the court system does not begin until there’s an accusation. So that’s why it’s important for believers to show up in the court of heaven and the most, another thing, why it’s important for them to show up is because the court of heaven, unlike natural court is biased in our favor because Jesus already paid the price.

SID: Oh, I like that. What are some of the areas that we have, the evil altars we have to deal with, many people in their lives?

DERRICK: So, I began to walk down this corridor with Jesus. It’s an upscale elegant room. And as we get into this tear room, I see innumerable tear bottles, all shapes, all sizes. They’re crystal, they’re clear. It was a really upscale room. And so once I got to the bottles, I went closer to them and I began to look and I could literally hear the tears crying out.

DERRICK: It was like they had cellular memory. Whatever caused the individual pain or to cry on earth, that was still there and I could still hear it. And so as I began to look closer at the tear bottles, I literally saw a visual timeline. The scenes from the individual’s life that caused those tears to be there.

SID: Was there any one person’s bottle of tears, that we might know of, that made a big impact on you?

DERRICK: Oh, it was many people’s. I saw Moses. I saw Elijah’s. I saw Kathryn Kuhlman’s tear bottle. I saw her bottles and so many others and Jesus was like, “Come on, come on. I got some more I want to show you.” I saw a contraption and I didn’t really have language it for it then, but it was like a portal passageway. And I saw angels ascending and descending, coming in and out of it.

DERRICK: And so me and Jesus looked down, he showed me what the process of collecting the tears looked like. When we looked down, we saw universe, planet, stars, but then the scene switched to a home. There was a single parent mom and she had a lot of stress on her. She was going through a lot of pain. She didn’t have finances or income. She had multiple children and one was very sick.

DERRICK: I saw her praying and crying and she was just weeping, at a breaking point where she really wanted to give up. And so I see an angel in her house and the angel is there to collect the tears. And the angel is also there to give her strength and to empower her. And so it gets to the point where she takes a deep breath in and a deep breath out and she stops crying. And then Jesus says, “The angel is strengthening her.” And just that quick, the angel was back with the bottle of tears that he added to her bottle.

SID: Mike Thompson, I can just visualize this. You’re raised Baptist. You and your family have zero knowledge of the supernatural, and unbeknownst to you, your parents get filled with the Holy Spirit, and I’ve never heard this before, ambushed him. What happened?

MIKE: Well my wife and I had just recently married at that point, and so they invited us to their house, my parents did, to come over and have dinner with them on a Friday night. They didn’t tell us that they were having their prayer group there, so we were ambushed. It was nervous at first, but we warmed up to the people. They asked us if we wanted to be filled with the Holy Spirit and my wife said, “Yes, I do,” and so she was first. Then I followed her. We received the baptism in the Holy Spirit, supernatural experience. That was our introduction to the spiritual realm.

MIKE: We’d been saved earlier, but we had no awareness, no situational understanding of what God was doing in us.

SID: Well that night, you got something you didn’t bargain for. You had a visitor that you really didn’t want.

MIKE: Yes, that’s true. We had received the Holy Spirit. That was the good side. The bad side is we went home that evening, and we went to bed. I was awakened in the middle of the night with this presence. It was a dark, fearful presence in the room. I saw a demonic presence at the bottom of the bed. It just was terrifying me at first. It came against my flesh. I wasn’t aware of what was going on, but I’d knew enough that I just, it’s kind of humorous, but in the air I made a cross like this, and I said, “In the name of Jesus I rebuke you,” and it left. But I knew, I became acutely aware at that moment if I had not resisted that, a spirit of fear would have come in, and would have stopped me in my journey in entering the supernatural realm.

SID: I am so glad that the devil didn’t talk you out of a legitimate experience that you had, because after the devil fled because of the cross, the supernatural opened up to Mike and his wife. What was happening that hadn’t happened previously?