SID: Jeff, in 2003, you had an angelic encounter that catapulted you into a whole new place in God. Tell me about it.

 

JEFF: Well Sid, I had already been moving in miracles, always doing ministry, but I dedicated a season of my life just to be able to press into the Lord because I wanted to go higher. I wanted something fresh from the Lord. So it was a season of prayer. And one night I went to bed after soaking in the presence of God, listening to music and prayer, contemplative. I was laying in my bed asleep and I was awakened by the blast of a trumpet. Two angels stood at the foot of my bed blowing silver trumpets in my face. I knew exactly what the John the Revelator said, in the presence of God he felt like he was a dead man in the presence of this supernatural being. That’s what I felt like. What came out of that encounter, I was taken into a place in Heaven and in this place in Heaven it was like a map room, a room of intercession. It was a map room where angels and people were praying for what God was going to release on the earth before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. We were talking about that Glory generation. I came back, everything changed in my ministry. Things were happening that I didn’t have a grid for.

 

SID: You know what, I believe you became a forerunner of what’s coming. That’s what it sounds like.

 

JEFF: Yes. I didn’t know what was happening. I was seeing gold teeth. Gemstones started appearing. Creative miracles began to manifest in the meeting. I didn’t even know how to explain it, but something tangible, something new.

 

SID: And by the way, you were at a meeting, you were one of my speakers and it was a funny story. This woman got a gold tooth, and I had her and her husband come on the platform, and I said to her husband, “Are you sure she didn’t have a gold tooth before?” And he’s kind of very tight with money. It was so funny. He said, “I’d never pay for a gold tooth.” Okay, so you’re in this new place, and I mean, you really didn’t even have a grid for these things to happen.

 

JEFF: You know, there’s no precedence for it in the Scripture. I mean, where do you find gold teeth in the Scripture? But it’s not about gold teeth. The ministry of signs and wonders just began to automatically happen. Signs and wonders happen. “These attesting signs [follow them] that believe,” Mark 16:17. Signs and wonders are normal and natural. Jesus moved in signs and wonders. He had Peter go down to the Sea of Galilee. “The first fish you take out pull a coin out its mouth.” He moved in odd, different kinds of ways.

 

SID: You call it radical anointings, and is this what you mean that Acts 2 is talking about when the “Spirit of God is coming on all flesh?”

 

JEFF: Yes, absolutely. It says, Acts 2:17, “I will pour out my spirit upon all mankind. Your sons and your daughters will prophesy.” So automatically signs and wonders, they start prophesy. And then it says, “I’ll show signs in the heavens and on the earth with these prophetic people as an outpouring happens.” And the end result is, Verse 21, for Acts 2:21, for 2021, is, “It will come to pass in that day that whosoever will call upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”

 

SID: Wait a second. Whosever will be saved, but what you said that most people miss is that God is pouring his spirit on all flesh.

 

JEFF: All flesh. That’s why everybody can do it. That’s why you’re feeling the presence of the Holy Spirit right now. You’re feeling it right now. I feel the draw right now. Some of you are saying, you know what, it’s not just for Jeff Jansen, it’s not just for Sid Roth, it’s for me as well. God is going to pour out his spirit upon all flesh. You can move prophetically through the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. The end result is signs and wonders happen, and it will come to pass that when this generation moves in signs, wonders and miracles, which I believe is this last day’s generation, “Whosoever in that day will call upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”

 

SID: That word “saved” in the Greek means healed, delivered.

 

JEFF: That’s right, “sozo”.

 

SID: Intimacy with God. And you know what, someone like Jeff, years, years seeking God, it’s going to be like, boom.

 

JEFF: Instantaneous.

 

SID: Instant.

 

JEFF: Instantaneous.

 

SID: Okay, tell me, because this is so critical for you, the key for moving in the Glory.

 

JEFF: Every time I had a visitation, Sid, moving in the Glory of God, is because I was pressing in. I was worshiping.

 

SID: You’re a song leader. Come on now, it’s easy for you to worship God in song, but how about me? I can’t carry a tune.

 

JEFF: Worship is not about singing a song. Worship is not about how well you sing. Worship is an attitude and a posture of heart.

 

SID: In other words, it doesn’t even have anything to do with singing.

 

JEFF: It has nothing to do with singing.

 

SID: That’s why I wanted you to hear.

 

JEFF: It’s the posture of the heart. You present yourself before the Lord. You give yourself to God. That’s worship. That’s worship. And those that do that, I’m telling you what, the Scripture says this: “You O Lord are enthroned upon the praises of your people.” When we praise, when we give him our heart the throne comes down, and where the throne is, the king is. Where the king is there’s a government. Where the government is there’s the angelic realm. His government rests down upon the praising, worshiping saint.

 

SID: So you’re saying that when we worship it literally creates an avenue, it creates that ladder to Heaven.

 

JEFF: Exactly.

 

SID: That’s Jacob’s angels coming up. That’s what’s happening when we are worshippers.

 

JEFF: That’s exactly right. I’ll share a quick little story. I was in Tanzania a while back doing a campaign, and there were 80,000 people on the last night.

 

SID: Little campaign.

 

JEFF: Little campaign, 80,000 people there. Most of them were Muslim and the Lord said, “Jeff, you get these people to shout praises to me and I will do great miracles.” My job was at being a cheerleader, getting the people to shout praises to Jesus Christ in Tanzania. And when we shouted the Glory of God came down, instantaneous miracles, mass deliverance. People were dropping all over the field because of the power of God. The Lord said, “You just get them to praise me and I’ll heal them.” And they got healed, the Glory of God fell on them, they got healed and then they got saved.

 

SID: I have to tell you, I read about what happened to you in Tanzania and about the shell. In my last two meetings I had people shout and the same thing happened. There’s a power in the shout. But I want you to nail what worship is right now, with the people.

 

JEFF: Worship is not about how you sing. It’s not about how well you sing. Worship is an attitude of the heart. You know, the Scripture says that “God is the rewarder of those who diligently and hotly pursue him.” I tell you what, if you make the Lord your pursuit, if you make the Lord your first priority he will come upon you, he will come after you. You think you’re going after God, he is hunting you down. And I believe that God is looking to hunt you down. You’re hungry right now. Worship is key to just receiving everything that God has for you and it’s not about singing, it’s about your heart. So right now just give your hearts to the Lord. “Set your affections on things above,” the Scripture says, “Set your heart on the Lord. Set your affections on him.” When you do that he will answer you. There is an impartation that God will give to everybody, and even now an impartation to you as you’re listening to what I’m telling you right now.

 

SID: I’m going to tell you what I know. I’m just in the presence of God as Jeff is speaking. I’m hearing words of knowledge, people. But there are going to be so many people healed, but I want Jeff to pray an impartation over your life to be hungry for God and receive the Glory of God, which he does all the time on media, and it goes right to the set or the computer. Be right back.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. What would cause a man that has seen thousands of miracles under his ministry, whose mother was actually healed at a Kathryn Kuhlman service, kind of raised with Oral Roberts, Kathryn Kuhlman, a diet of that. When he gets life-threatening cancer, to resort to the best prayer he knows and the best medicine he knows rather than just prayer alone. I’m going to ask Pastor Rod Parsley why in just a moment. Now Pastor Rod has been ministering for four decades. He pastors one of the most dynamic ministries in the country. And many years ago at the age of 27, he had an open vision, and I have to believe that when you went through what you just went through that no one should have to do it.

ROD: Yes.

SID: You were reminded of that vision.

ROD: I was, Sid. First of all, thanks for having me. I like to be right in the middle of things that are supernatural and I know that you do as well. In 1984, when I was standing on the platform of our church and the entire back wall of the sanctuary, we call it a tabernacle, disappeared. Suddenly I saw a scene play out before my very eyes. It was more real than the camera I’m looking at right now, and God entered that scene. I saw what I recognized to be the presence of Satan himself. As my eyes went upward I saw a crown upon his head. The skyline of that crown was my home city, Columbus, Ohio, twinkling like stars in the heaven where the lights in the buildings wrapped around his head. And suddenly a sword appeared. It made three revolutions, smote the enemy against the back of his knees. He fell over to the side and that crown rolled off his head, and suddenly as if you would zip a zipper, it was gone. The back wall was back and I began to shout out of my spirit, I began to shout, “I’m brave enough, I’m strong enough to pick up that crown and place it on the head of our savior.” Well now at 60, God said I’m about to enter, “You’re about to enter your third phase of Gospel ministry. I’m going to place a seven times greater anointing on you for healing, deliverance and salvation of the people of God.” And I said, “I’ll take it.”

SID: Your voice was tried to silence, but you I heard you say something good. I heard you say that now it’s seven times the anointing on your voice.

ROD: Amen.

SID: Seven times.

ROD: Amen. I’m going to reach seven times more people. It’s going to reach seven times more souls for the Kingdom, seven times more healings, seven times more demonstration of signs and wonders, and miracles.

SID: Now I’m going to take you back and I want you to tell me what happened. It was the month of June 2015.

ROD: Yes.

SID: You were shocked to your core. What happened?

ROD: I was. I had a little bit of a sore throat, which when you live in Ohio and you’re baptized in pollen several times a year, you know. So my general practitioner, he said, “Well I don’t see anything, but this has been going on long enough, I think we need to have you scoped.” So I saw the surgeon and he said, “Yes, there’s something there.” And he scheduled an appointment to go ahead and have vocal chord surgery. Well I called my team together and my precious wife Joni got in the middle of that meeting and produced a little piece of paper. She said, “God spoke to me that the enemy was going to attack your voice with cancer.” Yes.

SID: And so she probably didn’t want to tell you because she didn’t want to put power behind it.

ROD: No she didn’t, exactly. So she didn’t tell me. She began to pray. She said, “But now that I’ve seen this manifest, you are not,” she gave me a word of knowledge, “you are not to have surgery.” And I found out later had I had that surgery my vocal chords in all probability would have been irreversibly damaged and I probably never would have preached again.

SID: So from now on you’re going to listen to your wife.

ROD: I’m going to listen to her. Happy wife, happy life.

SID: Now there are many people that would say, well that’s a lack of faith to have medicine and prayer. What would you say to them?

ROD: I would say this: God the Holy Spirit, I believe that every good thing comes from our Father. I believe that, Sid, with all my heart. I do not believe that God gives people sickness and disease to teach them. However, I do believe that in the process we are all taught.

SID: Now you told me that you knew instantly this wasn’t something natural, this was demonic.

ROD: Yes.

SID: It was the devil.

ROD: Absolutely.

SID: So what was your strategy?

ROD: Well I’ve always believed that we need to treat sickness and disease, and shake it like a rat terrier shakes a mouse, that we should treat it like a rattle snake in the floor board of our automobile. It’s not of God. It’s not of God’s Kingdom. We live in a cursed planet. When our son Austin, our only son, was three years of age we received the diagnosis of a life sentence, autism. He was to never go to school, never read a book. My wife and I pulled the van over to the side of the highway and we said, “God, what do you want us to do?” And he said, “You know what to do. Get my Word on it. Attack it spiritually. Attack it in the natural and attack it with a seed.” And I said, “I’m going to do all three.” And my son just graduated from college with a 4.0 grade point average. Now when I was attacked, all of those naysayers started eating at me, and some of you have had, in fact, I’m speaking to hundreds right now who have had a diagnosis and you feel like it is a lack of faith for you to take a medication, for you to see a doctor. Let me tell you what to do. Do what I did. Attack it every way you can. When you are in the middle of the battle and the enemy of your soul is threatening to take away the multitude of souls that are in for God’s Kingdom, the thousands of people that will be healed today as we pray together, when he wants to stop all that, when he’s coming in the trenches after you, grab whatever weapon is at your disposal. The important thing is give all the glory to God because he’s going to bring you out.

SID: I like that. Now you did, you attacked, if you can just briefly tell me the four things you did, and I might add, you are still doing.

ROD: I’m still doing. Sid, God spoke to me, Proverbs 4:20 was the first scripture that he gave me when I received that diagnosis. Proverbs 4:20: “My son, I’m his. He identifies with me.” The Lord Jesus identifies with you when he taught you to pray “Our Father”. He’s not just Jesus’s Father, he’s your Father. Our Father. “My son, attend to my words. Incline your ear to my sayings for they are life to you.” And I studied that out. It actually says they are medicine to all your flesh. And God said to me, “You take it and you take it twice a day for two hours in the morning and two hours in the evening. You speak my Word.” And then he said, “Get a prayer cloth. Touch and agree.” If any two on Earth agree, as we’re going to do in just a few moments with you, touching anything that we shall ask, it shall be done for us by our Father which is in Heaven. Number three: receive Holy Communion every single day. Remember that Christ is in you and you are in him, as he is in the Father, and the Father is in him. And number four: use the Jehovah names of God. Seven times greater anointing is going to be released to you this very day. In fact, I speak to you now under the authority of the Lord Jesus Christ, and I say to every cancer cell to die in your body now and for a living life giving cell to replace it. I command that you have no negative side effects from any treatment or medication, or supplement that may be given to you. I stand before you now, sitting here in this chair. They did 28 radiation treatments. My throat had third degree burns inside and outside.

SID: How many side effects did you have?

ROD: Zero.

SID: That’s what I thought.

ROD: Zero. I rebuke those side effects from chemotherapy. I rebuke the side effects of radiation treatment. I declare and decree by the power of the Word of God that his holy anointing breaks through to you now and sets you free, spirit, soul and body.

SID: What was the final report on that horrific life-threatening cancer that you had?
ROD: Absolutely cancer-free.

SID: Wow! We’ll be right back with Pastor Rod Parsley and a message that had he not been healed you would never hear.

SID: Art, you talk about a lot about mental barriers. Give us some examples.

 

ART: Yes. I mean, we already talked about the hope deferred thing that happens to so many of us. Another one is judging people based on their merit, and that could be in the positive or the negative, you know. Sometimes we come at this saying, you know, Lord, this person has been so faithful. They’ve loved you so many years. There’s such a faithful minister, whatever. What we’re really doing is saying, God, don’t you see all the wonderful things they did to earn their healing? And our emphasis is all on their action and not Jesus’s action. It also works in the negative. It’s like with your family, it’s a lot harder.

 

SID: You know they’re backslidden. So you say, you’ve never healed them.

 

ART: Yes. If I’m on the street and someone says to me, I got diabetes, I’m like, come on, diabetes, get out, pancreas, function well, right. When your loved one that you know and you know their lifestyle says I got diabetes, you’re thinking, lay off the Twinkies, man, it’s your own fault. Right? Yeah.

 

SID: So what should I, all right, you know that let’s suppose you know someone’s even in sin. You know that. How does it affect how you pray?

 

ART: Well it’s not about me. It’s not about them. See, James 5 says that, “The prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well. The Lord will raise him up. If he sinned he’ll be forgiven.” So there’s a provision there. If their sickness came as a result of sin, the forgiveness is automatic. It happens right away.

 

SID: Now many people say it’s a lack of faith if you go to a doctor. It’s a lack of faith if you take medicine. What do you say?

 

ART: Well first of all, the irony is if I don’t believe it’s God’s will to heal, then why am I going to the doctor? That’s fighting against God’s will. So medicine is only going to work with a theology that says God wants me well.

 

SID: What do I say to the people that write me often, maybe it’s you, okay, you believe in healing, Sid. Why do you wear glasses?

 

ART: You know, my experience should not trump what the scripture says. So you know, we can make a theology out of the things we haven’t seen or we can make a theology out of Jesus who perfectly revealed the Father. And I think that makes a lot more sense. So like I said, I was struggling with degenerative disk disease for a year and a half watching other people get healed until I had my own miracle. What I say is, listen, what I’m telling you, what I’m believing, what I’m preaching is what the Word of God says regardless of my experience. I refuse to be a disciple of disappointment because then I can only reproduce disappointment. I have to be a disciple of Jesus so that I can reproduce Jesus.

 

SID: I want you to reach deep and pray whatever the Spirit of God tells you.

 

ART: Right now I’m seeing a picture of a right arm, and I’m actually, there’s a green sleeve around it. I’m not sure if that means anything to someone who’s watching right now. But whatever it is that’s going on with your right arm, I speak life and wholeness to it right now in Jesus’ name. And just try to move that, see if anything’s changed. Yes, I’m also hearing, hearing loss, specifically left ear, but really, Jesus paid the price for both ears. So if you’ve got hearing loss of any kind I tell those ears to open up right now in Jesus’ name. Throat conditions, in fact, there’s like a throat cancer, throat, some sort of laryngitis or something, things that are going on in the throat. We tell those things to stop. Thyroid, there’s like a nodule on someone’s thyroid that’s been swollen up and we tell that to shrivel up right now. Peace to you in Jesus’ name. If anyone has Crohn’s disease like I used to have, we tell Crohn’s to get out and never come back. I speak peace to your digestive system right now. Every sickness, every disease, every spirit of infirmity, I tell you to leave and never come back in the name of Jesus. Now if you can safely do it, test out those conditions. Try to do something you couldn’t do and let us know what happens.

 

SID: Well I’m going to tell you what’s going to happen. You are going to not look back anymore. I can tell you that it’s a new beginning for you. God is pure love and he wants you to know him, know him, and have Jesus come inside of you and be your Lord, and say, Lord, I want to have experiential knowledge of you in Jesus’ name. Amen.

SID: You know, during the break, Richard, God spoke to you. What did he say?

 

RICHARD: Thank you. Thank you, Lord. Your eardrum is opening right now in the name of Jesus. Deafness is leaving. There’s a person, you’ve had a terrible, it’s a man, you’ve had a terrible problem with varicose on your right leg and those veins are just going flat right now. And then the other word I got, there’s a tumor, this person has a tumor on the left side of your back and you’ve been diagnosed with skin cancer as well as there is cancer in the tumor, and that tumor is just dissolving now. And someone is going to go back to the doctor and find out the cancer is gone and you’ll be testifying to Sid and letting him know and the staff know what God is doing. I release that into your life now.

 

HANK: And you’ve also been out of work, and because of that cancer you’ve been out of work. And the Spirit of God says not only is a work of restoration for your body, but it is a work of restoration that you’ll get your life back including your job and resources shall soon be released, too.

 

SID: You were minding your own business one day, walking your dog and a cloud shows up. What happened?

 

HANK: This happened to me last summer. I have two German Shepherd dogs. And if you know anything about German Shepherds they’re very high-energy dogs. As I was walking it was a very bright and sunny day. I feel like Brother Hagin used to say it was a bright and sunny day. But it was a very bright and sunny day. There wasn’t a cloud in the sky. And I was walking my two German Shepherds, and all of a sudden I looked up above some trees and I thought they were on fire, and a Glory cloud appears. And all of a sudden my dogs sat down. They were at attention and the Spirit of God spoke out of the clouds, and here’s what he said. He said, “Hank, I am going to make this nation great again.” But then he said this, he said, “This is my saying.” He said, “What does a nation look like filled with Glory?” I couldn’t answer him. I started weeping. I said, “God, I don’t the answer to the question you just asked me.” He said, “Watch. I’m about to show you and others because my Glory is coming upon this earth and it’s coming fast.” And it’s for the healing of the nation, and signs, wonders and miracles.

 

SID: What would that look like to you?

 

RICHARD: It would look like to me after something that happened in one of my dad’s crusades years ago. There was a night, and my father would tell the story if he were here, where in about a 14-minute span everyone he prayed for was healed. And the next day we came out to the tent and picked up arm loads of crutches and canes, and walkers, and ear pieces, and contraptions of all types and description, and the Glory of God came into that tent.

 

SID: You said to me when we were talking on the phone that when the prophetic and the healing ministry combine it’s greater than either one by itself. Tell me what you mean by that.

 

RICHARD: When you join together and you’re seeing the gifts of the Spirit operating in tandem, and that’s what Hank and I saw as we received your invitation to come here to be on this program, we saw the gift of prophecy and the gifts of healing, and the word of knowledge flowing in tandem together. I saw that in the spiritual realm. I saw a word of prophecy and then a word of knowledge, and then a word of knowledge and a word of prophecy. I saw it going back and forth, and we saw just a moment ago when I gave a word about cancer, suddenly he gave a word about a job. That’s what’s happening and that’s what God is doing. And as it happens the Glory of God falls.

 

HANK: The Lord said a lot of the anger and the bickering, and the fighting that’s going on right now, especially in the United States, is whenever Jesus showed up he had the Spirit without measure. He carried the Glory. The enemy would throw himself on the ground, they would protest, act violently because of the Glory that was moving in upon Jesus. The Glory is moving in among this nation and the earth. Whether we like it or not, whether we agree with it, we will not be able to stop it. You know what a nation looks like filled with Glory? Watch the Supreme Court when all of a sudden God establishes, like you said, righteousness and rightness on hearts. And we’ve got Supreme Court justices that will rule 6-3, 7-2 in favor of the Lord and what he desires. Watch as prayer comes back to our schools and they begin to declare the name of Yeshua cross this nation. For a season God is going to use Israel. Why? Because God’s Glory is coming from there. In fact, Israel, listen, Spirit of God says, “It was from you, you Israel, that a savior came to bring salvation and to bring healing. And this is my promise to you, Israel, that from you is coming a healing bomb as discoveries are being accelerated now to bring cures to those things that they said there is no cure. Watch from Israel. It shall be declared,” says the Lord.

 

RICHARD: We’re going to see tremendous healing among children.

 

HANK: Yes.

 

RICHARD: Many of you watching right now, you have children, you have sons and daughters, you have grandchildren, you have great-grandchildren. Some of them have been very ill. There is healing coming to children.

 

SID: I want you to reach out to God now, hear his voice, be his voice. Do you need deliverance? Do you need healing? Release your faith. Be healed.

 

RICHARD: Amen.

SID: I know your story, Richard, but to be raised with one of the giants of men and women of God that move in miracles, but not even raised with them, but at his side at so many of his meetings. You can see God’s hand on your life from the very beginning. But tell me what you saw with your own eyes, creative miracles of your dad.

 

RICHARD: Sid, the one that really stands out to me is the one that you and I have talked about before, was a little boy that was born without a hip socket. And when his mother brought him into the prayer line he was about my age. And my dad read the prayer card and said to the woman, “I am so sorry. I just don’t have faith for a creative miracle.” The woman took the microphone and said, “Brother Roberts, I don’t ask you to have any faith at all. You just pray and I’ll do the believing.” And he prayed and seemingly nothing happened. The little boy left on his crutches and the metal brace, and he went off the same way he came on. But the next night when we got to the tent they had the little boy up on the platform and he was running and jumping. He didn’t have a crutch. His shoe was not built up. There was no metal brace and he was running and jumping. And my father went over and put his hand on the place where he put it the night before where his hip was all sunken in because there was no hip socket, and in the night God had supernaturally created a hip socket. And he’s still doing that today. Someone’s left leg, which is shorter than the other is supernaturally being lengthened and you’re going to find, in fact before this program is over, someone is going to find that their leg has grown out to the exact length of their other leg.

 

SID: Now Richard, I’ve read a lot about your dad and the devil tried to get rid of him before he got started. He had, which was really a fatal type of disease back then, TB.

 

RICHARD: Yes.

 

SID: And God spoke to him about his call. What did he say?

 

RICHARD: He said, “Son, I am going to heal you and you’re to take my healing power to your generation.” And when his older brother, my oldest uncle, and aunt, my oldest aunt, his sister, took him to a healing meeting, a man prayed a different kind of prayer. He didn’t say, “Lord, if it be your will, heal this boy of tuberculosis.” Instead, he said, “You foul tormenting sickness, I adjure you by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, come out of this boy, loose him and set him free.” Someone is liable to get healed right now as I’m praying that prayer right now because the power of God is just as strong now as it was then. As the power of God came up his feet, up his legs, into his body, suddenly he could breathe without hemorrhaging. Before, for the period of five months when he would cough he would hemorrhage and spit blood across the room, and had lost the power to walk. But suddenly, the power of God came in, he could breathe all the way in and breathe all the way out. He had been born a stutterer, could hardly say his name especially when he was under pressure. They put a microphone in his face and he talked for ten minutes before he realized he hadn’t stuttered once. That was the beginning of the healing ministry of something supernatural.

 

SID: You recently taught on the subject of miracles are coming towards us.

 

RICHARD: Yes.

 

SID: Or passed us.

 

RICHARD: Yes.

 

SID: Tell me why they go passed us. I’d rather know how to come into me, receive it.

 

RICHARD: Just look at the scriptures, Sid. Here you see Jesus with a great crowd and the Bible speaks of two or three that were healed. Miracles were coming toward the people or they were going passed the people, some who wanted to be in the atmosphere to receive, some who didn’t want to be in the atmosphere to receive. So miracles were constantly passing by. What we have to learn how to do is to use our faith. It’s not just his power. His power is important, certainly, but we have to use our faith. His power and our faith have to come together and it happens through a point of contact. A point of contact is something that you do and when you release your faith you get yourself into an atmosphere for healing. The woman who touched the border of his garment, the woman with the issue of blood made the border of his garment, which was more than likely a prayer shawl, which had tassels at the base, representing the Law of Moses, which was the Word of God, she made the Word of God a point of contact. She said, if I can, really what she was saying was if I can just get my hands on the Word of God I will release my faith, and as soon as she touched it her faith was released because Jesus whirled around and said, “Who has touched me?” Now she touched the tassels on his garment, but he said, “Someone has touched ME.” We can touch him by our faith. We can release our faith. Faith, when I receive this prayer in the name of Jesus, I release my faith to you and I receive a miracle. You know, when my father prophesied and put a portion of his spirit on me, I said, “Lord, I want that. I claim that in Jesus’ name. That’s mine in the name of Jesus.” And that’s what she was doing. And Jesus whirled around and said, “Someone has touched me.” She told him the truth. He said, “Woman, your faith, your believing, the fact that you have released your faith has set you free.” And often times when I pray for people they say, well I didn’t feel instantaneous healing. Well who knows? It might come by the end of this program. It might come tomorrow. It might come next week. That’s why we hold in faith and continue to release our faith, and say, I’m not coming out of this prayer of agreement until the miracle is manifested.

SID: Richard, you have people healed of stage 4 cancer. So many people, tell me a quick story of one person.

 

RICHARD: I just got a testimony just this morning of a woman who called for prayer. She had a fibroid tumor the size of a grapefruit. And when we prayed she said the thing just went flat. The doctor said it’s no longer there. She released her faith. I wasn’t there to lay hands on her. I didn’t have a word of knowledge for her. But when I prayed, she took hold of her faith and let it go to God, and the fibroid tumor disappeared. We just got another testimony from a woman who had been diagnosed with stage 4 cancer, and she’s the one you’re referring to. Just about three weeks ago, I got this testimony. She had called into our Abundant Life prayer group and we had prayed, and they had brought the prayer request to me. We prayed. She called back and said, “I went back to the doctor again. Now they cannot find a trace of cancer in my body. It is gone.” What God did, he’s still doing.

 

SID: Now when we come back Hank Kunneman and Richard Roberts are here to reveal how healing and the prophetic, they work together for supernatural results. Stay with us.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. When you combine prophecy and healing together it’s going to cause an explosion of miracles. Are you ready? Now my first guest Hank Kunneman is really one of the most accurate prophets of this generation. His prophecies regarding 9/11, America’s promise and future, prophecies for the nations of the world and even his word from God saying, “I will make America great again.” No, that was not Donald Trump first. That was this guest right now, Hank Kunneman. Hank, you told me that you had, I don’t know if it was a dream or a vision, of you sitting at this desk and me asking you a question: “Hank, so what do you see happening this year?”

 

HANK: This year. I did see that question being asked of you in my dream, and the Lord spoke in the dream, and here’s what he said. He said, “Hank, that is too limited.” He said, “I want to broaden the perspective of the people that they understand it’s not just what I’m doing this year, but what I’m doing in the now.” This is important: in the now. Now the now can span through this year, it can span through next year, the coming years when God moves in the now. Here’s how you know. Jesus’ first miracle, he turned water into aged wine, the best wine to last. It was accelerated time. It was also now that he moved and presented that to the governor of the feast. And it says that this is the beginning of miracles that Jesus did. Well we know that it was the miracle in the now. It was accelerated time, but it was also the beginning of miracles, meaning that it hasn’t stopped. In fact, I hear the Spirit of God say this: “I am the God who moves in the now and now my Glory is coming upon this nation, the United States, and it’s coming upon the nations of the earth, and it’s coming fast,” says the Spirit of God. “United States, you shall be united as what bears your name. And there is a move that shall change legislatively and you will see that the finest days are soon to come upon you in the now. For this is my plan,” says the Spirit of God. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Lord.

 

SID: I tell you, I don’t know about you, but the Holy Spirit is just bubbling up within me. God let you see something that must have been wonderful. God let you see through his eyes.

 

HANK: Yes.

 

SID: Explain.

 

HANK: This happened to me just a few Sundays ago. I was standing on the front row of the church that I pastor in Omaha, Nebraska and I was worshiping the Lord, and all of a sudden, Sid, I felt like somebody threw a coat on me, I knew it was the Lord, like a coat. It was so heavy I could hardly stand, I could hardly walk to the platform to transition the service. All of a sudden I saw a pair of eyes. I said, “Lord, what is this?” He said, “Hank, I’m allowing you to see through my eyes for events that are coming in the now for the nations.” And it’s almost like, if you ever downloaded files on a computer, they go [whoosh] real fast. That’s how fast things were moving through the eyes of the Lord that I was looking through and being downloaded in my spirit. And I really believe that there is things that are happening by the Spirit of God that if we limit it to a time we will miss the bigger picture of what God is trying to reveal in the now. He’s up to good. “And let it be known even unto you, Sid,” said the Spirit of God says, “that I have placed you in the Middle East, but all watch what I’m about to open, not only in Europe, but I’m about to open up even in Asia an effectual door of utterance. Why? To handle this move of my Spirit and awakening that is coming to the earth and it’s coming fast.” Thank you, Lord.

 

SID: You know, Hank, God has given you a revelation on a subject I have never heard anyone even teach on, and that is the Bible talks about wind and the Bible talks about a north wind, a south, an east, a west. You have revelation that when you get this knowledge and pray according to biblical knowledge you get amazing results. Take one wind and give me an example.

 

HANK: All right. First, let me just say this. Ezekiel prophesied to the four winds externally.

 

SID: Yes.

 

HANK: We through the Holy Spirit prophesy with the four winds in our mouth. I’ll give you one example. The east wind, you can read all four winds in Job 37, the east wind is a wind of judgment against the enemy. It’s a wind of breakthrough. It’s also a wind of correction. When we’re specific we are decreeing a thing, as the scripture says, and it will be established. When I decree the north wind, for example, which is…

 

SID: I’ll tell you what, would you do me a favor?

 

HANK: Yes.

 

SID: Would you make a decree of the north wind right now that Heaven is going to move on.

 

HANK: In the name of Jesus, I decree from my mouth and the authority that I stand in, and I decree with the north wind let there come an awakening onto the earth and onto this nation. And I decree from the north the cleansing rain of God’s presence. Let it begin to come and fall upon the land. For in the United States, welcome in your rain, welcome your wind. For even in the natural this is your sign of what is taking place from the north wind of my spirit to rain down righteousness in my presence again.

 

SID: You know, I have to tell you, for years I’ve been interviewing you and a number of other prophets, and you’ve been almost like a lone voice. Everyone else is saying gloom and doom. I couldn’t get you to say that.

 

HANK: We have to hear from the Third Heaven. That’s the Throne Room. That’s the highest place. And really what it comes down to is God’s heart. When you’re a Third Heaven prophet you’re after God’s heart. And always remember this. God always has, whether it’s a warning or a word to you or a nation, God always has a redemptive plan. And the Spirit of God said to me, he said, “As long as my Spirit is in the earth I always have a redemptive plan.” Even if a warning comes, what is a redemptive plan? Sid, a redemptive plan is God’s message of help and his message of hope. And that’s why people get caught up in doom and gloom because they’re excluding the redemptive sight of God who always wants to help, who always wants to bring hope.

SID: Now God has always, even from the beginning, wanted to use man’s voice. Comment on that.

 

HANK: God has always wanted to use man’s voice. He wants to use your voice, and the reason why he wants to use our voice because of the authority that we carry in the earth as his sons and daughters, as his representatives. And when we speak we are speaking with his authority and with his power, and we can shift regions and territories. We can even cause our own life, that maybe it’s not going well, when we start declaring, Lord, I’m blessed, Lord, I declare that your blessings are coming upon me, we are shifting things and we also are breaking the powers of darkness that uses words to release agendas and assignments against us.

 

SID: By the way, speaking of God’s voice on the earth, Richard Roberts tells you a little understood truth, how to grab hold of your miracle, right after this.

JOHN: Okay. Jesus made a statement. He’s speaking to the “11.” Judas has already gone to betray Him. These are the eleven closest men to Him on the face of the earth. These have been His very best friends. Jesus is allowed to have friends, you know that, right? Okay. So Jesus looks at these guys after Judas leaves. And He says “No longer do I call you servants.” Now the fact that He says no longer do I call you servants means at one time they were looked at and merely regarded as servants. That’s not a revelation, that’s a grammar lesson. Okay? Why does God do that with us? Why is there a time in our walk with Him that even though we’re an “heir” He treats us as a servant? Remember Galatians 4:1 “As long the heir is a child he differs nothing from the servant.” Why? Now listen, this is so important that you understand this. Why is there a time when even though we are an heir God has to treat us as a servant? Can I tell you why? To protect us. Because He loves us so much. He doesn’t want happening to us what happened to Ananias and Sapphira. Okay, let me give you an example that’s really weak but it works, okay? We worked for two very large ministries, worldwide ministries back in the 1980’s. One had a staff of 450 people, the other one had a staff of 150 people. When we were launched into our own ministry in 1990 I came up with a new concept of leadership. Every employee’s going to be my best friend. So some of you already know the stupidity of that wisdom. Okay. So I hired our first guy on. His name was John. And I employed my new strategy. He’s my best buddy. So we’re playing basketball, we would even watch videos, he’d hang out at the house constantly, he’d eat dinner with us all the time, bestÖ the guy was great the first year, until I had to bring some minor correction to him. Because at our resource table he was treating people kinda rude. And so I sat him down after a year and I said, John, listen, these are God’s people. We love them. I don’t want you to be unapproachable at the table. I want you to smile more, I want you to help them. And he looks back at me, no kidding, and he points his finger at me and he starts railing on me. Well you’re this and you’re that and you’re this. And I’m sitting there going, “Ho, my, my.” So I immediately look inside, I said Lord, what do I do?  And the Lord said, “Fire him.” So I let him completely vent. And when he’s done venting, I said, “Well you can’t work for Messenger International anymore. I’m going to have to ask you to leave. Well he storms out. He’s mad. And I start crying “cause I really cared about the guy. Now I’m crying and the Holy Spirit speaks to me and says, “He will be back working for you and he will be twice as faithful.” So three months go by, I haven’t heard a peep from him, don’t know what’s going on in his life, I have no idea. And I get a phone call from him. He says, John, this is John. He said for the (laughter). He said for the last, for the, for the last three months God has dealt with me and really spoken to me like He’s never spoken to me before. He said, John, I lost sight of the place God had put you in my life. I lost sight of the place God had placed me in your life. He said I started treating you as common and ordinary. He said I did the same thing with Lisa and he said God has really dealt with me. And he said I am just calling to tell you I am so sorry. I really, really misunderstood and lost sight of who you were in my life. I said John, I forgive you. Well I talked a few more minutes. I said would you, would you come back and work for us? He said “Absolutely!” He came back and worked for us, we never had problems with him in that area again. Now 24 years later I have a new policy. I have 30 employees, right? My policy now is I will not share intimate things of my life with any of my employees until I know first of all they’re very established in who God made them to be in my life and Lisa’s life and until, well they’re very established in who I am in their life and they’re very established in who they are in my life. Right? Are you with me? Because I don’t want to destroy, and I don’t do this because I’m scared to reveal my heart to my employees. I don’t want to destroy them like I almost destroyed that young man. But once I know an employee of ours, a team member of ours is very established in who I am, and very established in who they are, I’ll bring ‘em in.  Some of my employees are my closest friends. Okay? So this is what God says to us: He says until you’re very established in who you are before Me, and very established in who I am before you, I got toa keep you at a servant level even though you’re an heir because I don’t want happening to you what happened to Ananias and Sapphira. But once you’re established in who I am in your life and who you are in my life, the fear of the Lord, I can bring you in as a close friend. Are you seeing this?

 

AUDIENCE:                 Yeah.               (APPLAUSE)

JOHN:  Okay, some of you aren’t getting this, some of you are. Okay, all right. All of you know me as John Bevere, speaker, some of you know me as John Bevere, author, but there is a lady, and she is a lady, her name is Lisa, Lisa Bevere. She knows me as John Bevere, husband, she knows me as John Bevere, best friend, she knows me as John Bevere, Dad, she knows me as John Bevere, Gee Daddy, that’s grandpa because I’m way too young to be called grandpa, she knows me as John Bevere, athlete, she knows me as John Bevere, lover. Now can I say this ñ none of you will ever know me as John Bevere, lover!

 

AUDIENE:                   (LAUGHING)

 

JOHN:  That is a facet of my personality you will never know. Only Lisa knows it because she’s the closest person to me on this earth. God just revealed a facet of His personality to Abraham that nobody had ever known before because he’s my friend. Now if you look at the relationship between God and Abraham it’s amazing. One day God makes this statement: Should we do what we’re planning on doing with Sodom and Gomorrah without first talking to our friend Abraham about this? So the Lord comes down by the terebinth tree, has a meal with Abraham and He and Abraham leave the two angels and everybody else, all the servants and they go over to the cliff and they look over the plains of Sodom and the Lord looks at Abe and says, “Abe, we’re thinking about blowing up these two cities. What do you think?”

 

AUDIENCE:                 (BIG LAUGHTER)

 

JOHN:  And Abe goes SODOM! And the Lord goes yeah, yeah, yeah, Sodom, and Gomorrah, too. What do you think? And Abe goes “think, think, think.  Okay, okay, wait! You wouldn’t like blow up these two cities if there was 50 righteous people, would you? And the Lord goes, “Excellent idea, excellent idea! Okay, we will not blow up the cities if there’s 50 righteous people.” Glad we talked to our friend, Abraham. Abraham goes what if there isn’t 50. He goes wait a minute, wait a minute, what about if there was 45 righteous people? Would you blow up the cities if there’s 45? The Lord goes “another good idea. Okay, we will not blow up the cities if there’s 45.” So Abraham talks Him all the way down to ten. He figures there’s got to be ten, I mean I got Lot’s, one, all I need is 9 others. Right?

 

AUDIENCE:                 (LAUGHTER)

 

JOHN:  But you know there’s not. Now this is what is amazing. The Bible says Sodom and Gomorrah’s buying, selling, trading, marrying, giving in marriage, planting and harvesting. What is all that in today’s vernacular? Life is great, the economy is booming, and if there is a God, He doesn’t mind our lifestyle. They’re 24 hours from being obliterated and they’re clueless. That is not what’s scary. This is what is scary! Everybody say “Lot”!

 

AUDIENCE:                 Lot!

 

JOHN:  Who the Bible calls righteous. Okay, let me put it to you in today’s terminology. Saved, born again, Christian.

 

AUDIENCE:                 Right, uh, huh, c’mon now.

 

JOHN:  Lot’s 24 hours away from being obliterated. He’s as clueless as Sodom and Gomorrah. It takes two messengers of mercy, two angels, because Abraham prayed, thank God Abraham prayed, to get him out. And his wife was a little too attached, that’s why she became a pillar of salt and Jesus says in the New Testament “remember Lot’s wife” in speaking about the fear of the Lord. Now here’s two righteous men, two saved men, two born again men, let’s put in today’s terminology. One righteous man knows what God’s going to do before He’s does it and helps God decide how He’s going to do it. The other righteous man, righteous man, saved man is as clueless as the world. Why? This righteous saved man fears God, therefore he’s the friend of God, therefore God shares His secrets with him. This righteous saved born again man is not the friend of God. He’s saved, he’s righteous but he’s not the friend of God therefore God doesn’t share His secrets with him. Moses is the other man. The Bible says Israel knew God by His works, Moses knew His ways. He revealed His ways to Moses but Israel knew God by His works. Correct? What does it mean that Israel knew God by His works? Israel knew God by how their prayers were answered. Do you know how many people in America, Christians I’m talking about, their relationship with God is limited to how God’s answered my prayers. My daughter was sick, we prayed and God healed her. We had a financial need, we sowed a seed, and God met the need. Moses knew many times what God was going to do before he did it and two times God literally changed His mind because of what Moses said to Him in reminding God of what He had previously said. Now here’s two righteous people, okay, groups of people, because they all came out of Egypt, they all drink the same spiritual food, ate the same spiritual food, they all followed that Rock which was Christ. We have two groups of saved people. Israel who only knows God by how He’s answers his [their] prayers and you have Moses who knows what God’s going to do before he does it. Why? Because Israel doesn’t fear God therefore they don’t know the secrets of God they only know God by how He answers their prayers. And here’s Moses who knows what God’s going to do before He does it because he’s the friend of God because he fears God because the secret of the Lord is with those who fear Him and he will show them His covenant. Now do you want to see this in the New Testament? One person? (audience laughs) Do you want to see it in the New Testament?

 

AUDIENCE:                 YES!

JOHN:  So what I’m asking is what is the evidence, what is the outward evidence in somebody’s life that they truly have the fear of the Lord? Number One: they’ll obey God instantly. Number Two: they’ll obey God even if it doesn’t make sense. See has God ever told you to do something that didn’t really make a lot of sense to you?

 

AUDIENCE:                 Yes he has!

 

JOHN:  Number Three: it means you’ll obey God even if it hurts. Number Four: means you’ll obey God even if you don’t see a benefit. Okay, let’s look at Esther. She’s queen to the Persian king. And her cousin says you have got to go before the king. And you have got to remember even though she’s wife to the king, she can’t walk in that, that court room because she wasn’t scheduled. And if she walks in and he doesn’t point that scepter her head comes off. She had everything to lose and she had nothing to gain. She had nothing to gain by going in there. What, what good would it do her? I mean yeah, all the Jews were going to be destroyed on a certain day. But nobody knew she was a Jew, she’s queen, she’s not going to be destroyed. So she has everything to lose including her head and nothing to gain but she still obeyed God, she feared God. And Number 5: it means you’ll obey Him to completion. Saul did 99.9 percent of what God asked him to do. Yet Samuel still looked at him and said you disobeyed God, you rebelled against God. Think about it, he killed every Amalekite except one person. Now here’s the scripture I wanted to bring you to “cause this is the, I think, this is the jugular vein scripture in the Bible on the fear of the Lord. Psalm 25:14. It says, “The secret of the Lord is with those who fear Him, and He will show them His covenant.” Now I want you to listen to that: The secret of the Lord, or the secrets of the Lord are with those who fear Him. Now I want to ask you a question to all my audience, if you’re watching by video answer me. How many of you have secrets in your life, let me see a show of your hands, show your hands. Okay, what do I do with the rest of you? Pray with for your lying now or later?

 

AUDIENCE:                 (LAUGHTER)

 

JOHN:     Everybody has secrets in their life. How many of you know all secrets aren’t bad? Okay? So your mind went to the negative on that one. Okay?

 

AUDIENCE:                 (LAUGHTER)

 

JOHN: All right, so let me ask again how many of you got secrets in your life? Everybody’s got secrets. All right. Now this is, this is, I want you to honestly answer this question: Who do you share your secrets with and I’m going to give you two choices. Choice Number One, okay: acquaintances? Choice Number Two: intimate close friends?

 

AUDIENCE:                 Close friend, intimate close friends.

 

JOHN:  Intimate close friends. God’s no different. God says I share My secrets with My intimate close friends and by the way My intimate close friends are those who fear Me. Now let me show you I’m not taking this out of context. I’m going to read Psalm 25:14 same psalm out of the New Living Translation: “Friendship with the Lord is reserved for those who fear Him.” So you know what God is saying right there? Not everybody is My friend. Let me be more specific: not everybody in the church is My friend.

 

AUDIENCE:                 Right.

 

JOHN: Okay? There were two men that were called the friend of God in the Old Testament. Okay? Who were the two men? Abraham and Moses. Were there others? Absolutely! Okay, I believe David was a friend of God, I believe Daniel was a friend of God, I believe Joseph was a friend of God, many others, Deborah, Esther. But these two men’s lives exemplified what it took to have a relationship of friendship with the Lord. Let’s talk about the first guy, Abraham. Why is Abraham called the friend of God? Because when Abraham was really old, one night God comes to him and says, “Abe?” “Yes, Lord, yes.” I want you to take your son who you really love, who you’ve really grown attached to, the son you’ve waited for for 25 years. And I want you to go on a three-day journey and kill him for Me. Now, okay, you’ve heard the story a thousand times, okay, if not, if not more. But you had the Book of Genesis to read, he didn’t. You have to understand all God says to him this night is I want you to go three days and kill Isaac. He doesn’t tell him why. He doesn’t say if you sacrifice Isaac then I’ll send My Son. He does not say that! Do you understand what God is asking him to do? It would have been easier for Abraham to go kill himself, because there was nothing or no one more important to Abraham than Isaac. Yet do you know what my Bible says? Early the next morning Abraham saddles his donkey and is on his way. You know how some people say, “Well, you know the Lord’s been dealing with me about this now for several months” and they laugh.

 

AUDIENCE:                 (LAUGHTER)

 

JOHN:  You are bragging about your lack of the fear of God. Okay? Okay? So now God gives him a three-day journey. Why? To think it over. It’s easier when you heard the booming voice of God the night before. But what about three, two and a half days later, you haven’t heard one word from heaven and you’re looking at the mountain, you’re going to put the most important person or thing to death in your life just because God said do it and didn’t give you a reason to do it. But Abraham goes to the top of the mountain, he builds the altar. Can you imagine his emotions while he’s building that altar? And his son’s helping him build it. He ties up Isaac on that altar, he lifts up the knife and he’s ready to put the most important person or thing to death in his life just because God said do it and didn’t give him a reason. And right as he’s ready to thrust the knife through Isaac, an angel of the Lord appears, and you go read it in your own Bible, and the angel says “Abraham stop, because now I know you fear God? How did the angel know that Abraham feared God? Because he obeyed instantly, because he obeyed when it didn’t make sense, because he obeyed when it hurt, because he obeyed when he didn’t see a benefit, and because he obeyed to completion. Abraham puts down the knife, unties Isaac, lifts up his eyes and there’s a ram caught in the thicket. And out of his inside comes this: JEHOVAH JIREH! The Lord my Provider! Now you’ve heard that before because you’ve read the Bible. But wait a minute. God just revealed a facet of His personality to Abraham no human being had ever known before. Why? Because he’s my friend.

 

AUDIENCE:                 Ahhh. Mmmm.

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to get the heart of the One New Man glorious congregation because God’s glory is about ready to fall on this earth, and you better get your patterns right or you won’t be able to contain the glory that’ll be coming on this earth. That’s why as my guest I have Kevin Howard Hebraic scholar, Bible teacher, because… actually the reason God directed me to Kevin is I was given a gift. It’s such a wonderful gift, it’s a book, but it is a hardback book it’s about “The Feasts of the Lord,” that’s the title. I’m just opening up at random and I happened to open up because there’s a 150 full color photographs, a picture of a Passover table. I have the author Kevin Howard who I’m speaking to him at his home in Cincinnati on the telephone. This is… I mean anyone would be able to come inside of the Last Supper which was a Passover Seder with this particular picture here. Kevin this is beautiful! One of my favorite ingredients is here Elijah’s cup because we all… because Elijah is supposed to announce the coming of the Messiah and it’s almost like a game when I was a child. My sister and I would run to the door, front door, and open the door to see if Elijah was there. My grandfather would always send us there. I’m just kind of curious, obviously this was staged but this was the most beautiful photograph of a Passover table. Tell me a bit about it.

Kevin: Well that… a lot of those elements on that table are my own personal things from Passover.

Sid: Oh you must have one wonderful Passover…. No wonder you told me that was your favorite festival!

Kevin: So we used what we use for our personal Passover. So you know people can get the imagery in their minds of what a Passover table is like. You notice on the full page spread there every item is diagramed and explained.

Sid: Let’s go to Rosh Hashanah since Rosh Hashanah is this Friday night it begins. Tell me a bit about it.

Kevin: Well Rosh Hashanah is known as the Feast of Trumpets. Biblically the observance of Rosh Hashanah was the blowing of the shofar. That was the command in scripture “Blow the shofar and keep it a day of Sabbath rest.” What has been carried over till today is the name was changed to Rosh Hashanah emphasizing the tradition that that’s the beginning of the civil year, that is all the harvest is past now we begin a new agricultural year. So it’s known as Rosh Hashanah today which literally means in the Hebrew Head of the Year. So it is the Jewish new year it’s a tradition today to send cards well-wishing Jewish New Year cards to your friends and family.

Sid: Tell me a bit about the shofar.

Kevin: The shofar is very interesting. I’m glad that you asked that Sid because in scripture this 5^th holiday, or Trumpets, or Rosh Hashanah, God did not command the people to specifically take the shofar He said simply it was to be a day of blowing, as in sounding the trumpet. Historically the Jewish people, the nation of Israel had 2 trumpets that God had commanded Moses to build and construct in Numbers chapter 10. They were long flared instruments used in the temple sounded over the sacrifices. Then there was also the shofar which was the horn a ram. It couldn’t be a cow because a cow reminded the Jewish people of the golden calf and the idolatry at Sinai. So the shofar is a musical instrument was the horn of a ram. It reminds people of the ram that was caught in the thicket as provision for Isaac’s deliverance there on Mount Moriah. But the shofar the rabbis said that was the instrument to be used for this feast, and there is some scriptural basis for it on Yom Kippur just a few days later God said that on that holiday that the shofar was to blow every 50^th year to announce the Yovel, or the Jubilee year. So the shofar is sounded on this day.

Sid: There’s an ancient rabbinic view as to what happens to the devil when he hears the shofar. Tell me about it I love to hear about this.

Kevin: That is a great tradition. The rabbis say that the reason for the trumpet or the shofar sounding is to confound Satan, referred to popularly as confounding Satan. So on Feast of Trumpets, or Rosh Hashanah, the shofar will be sounded many times in the synagogue anywhere from long blasts, to 3 short blasts, to 9 staccato blasts. It’ll be sounded many many times traditionally over 100 times that day to confound Satan. You might say “Why does it confound Satan?” Well the tradition says “That when Satan hears the shofar blow he will think the Messiah has come and that his time is up.” So it confounds him and it’s blown to confound Satan the great enemy of God’s people.

Sid: You know in your book you also explain what happens in a synagogue. You actually explain the synagogue liturgy. Why did you put that in there?

Kevin: Well I thought it was very important because the synagogue liturgy Sid today a large portion of it reflects temple liturgy in the days of Jesus. I mean ancient temple liturgy a lot of its been pulled forward and there’s lot of good passages of scripture that are read and still preserved in very beautiful readings and liturgy of the synagogue today. It’s very uplifting, it’s very important but on this holiday part of the liturgy spends its time exalting God as King and Ruler, a big portion of the liturgy is devoted to that. As well as His majesty, as well as His remembrances of His everlasting covenant to His people. So those are very important themes in scripture and they’re reflected in that liturgy.

Sid: Now you also, and this is for every Biblical festival, you have the traditional foods. What can we expect on this festival?

Kevin: Well the traditional food, which I’m sure you had it in your background as well the community I live in is apples and honey. It might sound like a strange food for Rosh Hashanah whenever we’re thinking of it as being a somber day of preparing repentance for Yom Kippur coming up, since it is the Jewish New Year apples dipped in honey are eaten to symbolize and wish for a sweet and glorious coming new year. So it’s pretty much universal food eaten on that day.

Sid: Of course you have a chapter in here called “Israel’s Dark Day,” explain that.

Kevin: Well it’s interesting and very unique to me as I look at this holiday that Rosh Hashanah, or Trumpets, is the only holiday out of the 7 that occurs at the beginning of the month when the moon is dark. You look at it Passover begins Nissan 14 the middle of the month the moon is full, Unleavened Bread, and First Fruits the moon is full. Tabernacles the moon is full and bright, but this day the moon is dark it’s only a small sliver. I believe it fits in again with the prophetic significance that Trumpets points forward to time of great judgment. The prophets all spoke about it, and most of the New Testament writers too speak of a time of great judgment called “The Day of the Lord” when God stands up in great wrath to judge the wicked of this earth in preparation for Messiah’s glorious return and setting up of His eternal Messianic kingdom.

Sid: Then of course you talk about the last trump.

Kevin: Yes the last trump is tied to this holiday because only twice in scripture are we told God blows a shofar and it’s very important. God sounded the shofar at Mount Sinai when He prepared to bring the nation of Israel into the Mosaic covenant. We’re told in Zechariah chapter 9 as well as the New Testament that God will again sound, it’s called the Trump of God, or God’s Shofar, He will sound that again whenever he sends Messiah back to judge the wicked, to deliver His people, and set up His kingdom. So there’s a future day of Trumpets when God Himself will blow the shofar.

Sid:  I really don’t understand how non-Jewish Christian can understand the depth and the riches of the New Covenant, or the Old Covenant at all with not understanding the Biblical festivals as you have them laid out in this book.

Kevin: I agree it’s all tied affect point of illustration when Paul said “Messiah our Passover Lamb has been sacrificed for us.” How can we fully understand the work of Messiah upon the cross if we don’t understand what He did as our Passover Lamb? It’s all wrapped up in these prophetic feasts and portraits of Messiah and His works.

Sid: You have some very interesting thing in the book. You have a 10 year Biblical calendar to tell over the next decade when the Biblical festivals are. Now there’s no point and reason why you did not go beyond 10 years is there?

Kevin: Actually I believe it was about 20 years but it’s just a matter of how many fit on a page.

Sid: Oh I thought you meant He was going to be coming in 10 years, okay (laughing).

Kevin: Well hopefully He comes in the next year, hopefully even in our days very soon.

Sid: Okay we go through the 10 days of repentance and prayer and we come to Yom Kippur, what is that?

Kevin: Yom Kippur is the Day of Atonement Israel’s Day of Atonement. In fact it can’t be emphasized enough that Yom Kippur was the most solemn day of the year for Israel and even today in the synagogue. It is the most solemn day of the year in fact scripture says it was to be a day of afflicting the soul which is defined by some of the other writers as day of fasting.

Sid: You know I’m just looking through your book. The print is just so readable, the white is so white, the colors are so magnificent in this book, but you talk about the 2 goats, and you talk about the confession of the high priest. I mean very few Christians understand these things. You talk about the burning of the incense and you explain that. The sprinkling of the blood, the scapegoat, then you talk about… I remember this my father used to share this in Poland. He would, my grandfather would take a chicken by the neck and swing it around his neck and they’d break the neck, and this chicken would die for his sins he would say.

Kevin: Wow that’s amazing because that ceremony is not seen that often, it’s a very rare ceremony.

Sid: Well I never seen it my father told me about it.

Kevin: Well it’s called kaparot, and it still exist today in some of the Chasidic ultra-Orthodox circles, but even that ties back to the basic understanding that a covering for sins, which is what Yom Kippur means, a Day of Covering, or a Day of Atonement, only was possible through a blood sacrifice. In fact that’s what the Lord said “I’ve given you the blood on the altar for a covering (kefar) an atonement for your souls.”

Sid: I’m sorry our time is up we’ll pick up right here tomorrow.