KYNAN: Amen. This is so exciting. Shawn, before the break, we had a little chat and I wanted to ask you something. Do you speak Spanish?

 

SHAWN: No.

 

KYNAN: So how can you explain to me how God gave you a Word in Spanish? You want to talk about that a little bit?

 

SHAWN: I told you, my best friend is Spanish. He used to make fun of me whenever I’d try, so I stopped trying. He’s from Guatemala and he’s like, he was brutal with me and so I never try and speak Spanish. And I was in Vacaville up in Northern California, and I was praying before the meeting. A lot of times before a meeting I’ll pray like on the spot with people if I’m in a coffee shop or whatever, God shows up and I take the risk. A lot of times before a meeting I want to pray because I want to bring a model of what the prophetic would be like in a meeting. So I was praying and had this phrase hit me, and I had to type it as fast as I saw it. I literally saw it written now, so I can say it. It wasn’t like I heard.

 

KYNAN: So you actually saw this.

 

SHAWN: I saw it written out. And it was Spanish phrase. It was like two and a half lines, and I was like, I hope this is real, like I have no way to know if this is real. One of my good friends said why don’t you use Google Translator to figure out. And I’m like, I didn’t think of Google Translator. I didn’t even know this could be real. And so I went to the meeting, and all the prophetic words turned out so well that I said I’m going to try this. I don’t know if this is going to work, but I have two names and this Spanish phrase. And so I said, “Does anybody here speak Spanish?” And this man came up, and he read the phrase. Now it had colloquialisms and it had like a certain way to say things. You’d have to be from the region she’s from to even understand it. So it’s not like Spanish you couldn’t just use Google Translator or something online. It actually had slang. And it basically, like this woman had given up her business career. She married this white man and she gave up her business career and had like a bunch of kids in a row. And she just, there was a part of her that was going through that mom thing, and going, is this significant? I know it is. I know these kids are amazing, but I’ve given up everything. Part of the Word was I said I feel like you’ve rubbed shoulders with John Maxwell, you’re a business woman, but you gave it all up for raising world champion leaders, and you’re kids are going to say, at the end of the day this phrase. And the phrase was, “You are like a totally charged, amazing mom.” It was like this certain phrase that you’d say.

 

KYNAN: In Spanish.

 

SHAWN: Only in Spanish that they’re going to say you are the ones who made our lives possible, basically, and you are this kind of mom. And because you’re this kind of mom, we’re these kinds of kids. And she’s like weeping, just couldn’t believe that, she knew I didn’t know that Spanish. She knew immediately, oh my gosh, this is so like only God could have given her this because it’s what kids so would say. So it’s not only a word from the Lord, it’s a word from the Lord of what her kids would say one day.

 

KYNAN: Wow, that’s something. You know what that means? Get ready for God to speak to you in a foreign language. Just FYI. You say that God can speak to us in all kinds of ways. What are some of the ways that God speaks to us? Because I know a lot of times we think of “Thus says the Lord.” It has to be in the audible Charlton Heston voice. It has to be that kind of thing.  But you say he can speak to us in different ways. Give me an example. What are some of the ways God can speak to us?

 

SHAWN: I think the number one way when we train people is just the impression, just the download of thoughts, or just, I wasn’t thinking of this before and now it’s in my head.

 

KYNAN: Is that a feeling?

 

SHAWN: It could be a feeling. It could be a sense. It could be like the same realm your daydreams are. You might get a picture. Whenever you think of something, you’re like, that reminds me of this person. That could be the same kind of experience you’re having with God. So a lot of cerebral ways that people hear from God are the most common ways, and the most discounted, because it’s almost one step past your own thoughts. It’s already in your own thought realm. And we don’t expect that, but the Holy Spirit is relating God’s thoughts to our thoughts constantly.

 

KYNAN: Now how would you distinguish between, I know a lot of believers have this question: How do I know when God is talking to me? How do I know when it’s my flesh? How do I know when it’s the devil talking to me?

 

SHAWN: We say it’s either God or it’s your hormones. So many young people go, I know I’m going marry you. I heard it from the Lord. No, you heard it from your hormones. “It’s the devil” is usually not as much as a factor, but it could be your own desire and it could be your flesh like you’re saying, I think you have to go on the journey of saying, God, I’m looking for your heart to manifest and I’m learning what your heart is. And you have to trust God’s heart to lead you more than the enemy can mislead you or you can mislead yourself. And that’s a hard part where you’re like it’s trial and error for a while until you get it. But once you get it there’s a foundation of when you’re adding the biblical virtues of the fruit of the Spirit and the character when that’s all driving you. It’s all love that you say character base is driving you, you won’t go very far off.

 

KYNAN: You know, according to you, Shawn, you say that a word of knowledge can restore destinies. Tell us how a man’s destiny was restored.

 

SHAWN: Are you talking about in the northeast when I told you that story?

 

KYNAN: Yes.

 

SHAWN: I love this story because I was praying about it again, racism in America has just been one of my buttons right now, just prayer. And I was up in the northeast and there’s a very diverse crowd. And I called up this woman, an African-American woman, and I said, “Hey, is there somebody named this in your life?” And she said, “Yes, that’s my son.” And I said, “When he was a teenager, did he get violated by white cops?” And she said, “Yes, he did.” And he was brutalized and it was totally, it shouldn’t have happened. And they got held responsible for it, but it created a moment in his life that was really hard. I said, “Did it happen again?” And she said yes, and it didn’t get justified. There was no justice for. And she said, “Yes.” I said, “Well you go home and tell your son,” who wasn’t there at the time. “You go home and tell your son, who is now in his 30s, that these policemen were not a representation of God and this is not God’s justice. This is a man of justice. Your son has leadership in his life to restore justice and you’re going to tell him. Because he has purpose confusion now because of what happened in those two incidents that it actually tried to steal his destiny from him. So go home and tell him that God is going to restore him to this one word.” She went home and told him that she never knew this, but his whole life from the time he was little he wanted to be a police officer. And when he was violated by these two different groups of cops he decided that all cops are bad and he’s not working at the police force. When he heard the Word he had this purpose depression lift off his life and immediately enrolled in the police academy, and is now a police officer.

 

KYNAN: Wow, that’s awesome. Now Shawn, I want you to pray. I believe there are people watching right now that they need a Word, but more importantly, they need to be activated to be able to hear God. Would you pray for them right now.

 

SHAWN: Yes. I pray right now that God will release in you that, not just the faith, but the connection, the intimacy and relationship with him that you deserve, he paid the price for it, that you could have fellowship with his thoughts and his mind, and I pray that he would unlock in you right now the faith to have that kind of connection. John 17:24. He wants this connection more than you do. Jesus prayed that you would be with him where he is, that you’d see the Father in his Glory. And I pray over you right now a release of words of knowledge, words of prophecy, his original design over you, your family. I pray that you would see what was in his heart in the first place. Even as you’re watching this, I pray that there would be a breakthrough, a moment of time where everything is different because God is speaking to you in a different way than you ever anticipated hearing. I pray he would blow you away, Ephesians 3:20, beyond what you can hope for or imagine, in Jesus’ name.

 

KYNAN: Wow. I believe. That’s right. I believe that God has a plan for your life. I believe, according to Jeremiah 29:11, he knows that thoughts he thinks towards you. But more importantly, I believe that you are going to know the revealer of secrets and your life will never be the same. Shalom and God bless you.

 

AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

 

DAVID: And so I recognized in that moment that you can’t demand worship!

 

AUDIENCE: That’s right.

 

DAVID: Worship cannot be demanded. It’s cultivated!

 

AUDIENCE: Oh, that’s right!

DAVID: It’s only by the Holy Spirit. All true worship comes from revelation, not from information. Information makes you think. Revelation makes you worship. And when revelation comes from the Holy Spirit it’s not that you have to be coached into worshipping. It naturally overflows because of the revelation you’ve received. So He says true worshippers are going to worship me in spirit and in truth. Not by tradition, not by mandate, not by demands, not by structure, though structure has its place. But He is saying that true worship is going to overflow because of what the Holy Spirit does in our hearts! You know the scripture talks about holy beings flying around the Father 24/7 singing Holy, holy, holy is the Lord! You often notice in the scripture that whenever someone cries holy it’s because the Lord has revealed Himself. Do you realize that these beings for all of eternity are flying around Him singing holy, holy, holy, holy, holy, holy? That for all of eternity each time they come full circle they capture new revelation of God?

 

AUDIENCE: Wow!

 

DAVID: And it brings out a response. They have, people say how can they worship for all of eternity? It’s because for all of eternity they’re receiving revelation. Worship moves the shift, it takes shift from your needs to focusing on Jesus. There’s a song, now to me it’s old, I apologize if it’s was one of the new ones back in your day for worship, but Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus?

 

AUDIENCE: Yes.

 

DAVID: Turn your eyes upon Jesus, look full in His wonderful face. And the things of earth will grow strangely dim in the light of His glory and grace. It’s poetic, it’s beautiful, it’s true. And you’re looking at Jesus the light of His face is so brilliant everything else goes dim. So the prayer request removes the inner chaos, allows you to focus on the revelation which moves you into worship. Much easier than the way I was doing it. And then I won’t spend too much time on this one cause I want to, I want more time for the last one here. The third one is resisting. This is spiritual warfare. Now many of you know about spiritual warfare. But I will say this. Anything that sin and the devil does in this earth can be undone through prayer! When you’re praying in the spirit, when you enter that realm of intercessor you become an agent of God’s dominion and authority in the earth! And you, when you speak, you may be over here but someone over there can receive. You know the thing about prayer is it’s impossible to accomplish nothing in prayer. For every moment you are praying you are growing! For every moment you are praying you are accomplishing something whether you see it immediately or not! We’ll be praying for somebody and we talk to them and they seem so resistant to the Gospel. The truth is despite the facade that they place before your eyes, because of the faith that you have you can know with certainty that when you’re warring for somebody’s soul, when you’re warring for a situation that you are making impact!

 

AUDIENCE: Amen!

 

DAVID: That’s spiritual warfare. John chapter 6, Jesus is talking in verse 53. Remember the fourth one is reading.       Let me show you something very powerful that happens when you’re reading the Word because it’s not just reading a book. It’s not a biography. You’re experiencing a Person! He is the Word and Jesus Himself says that this is a supernatural thing. I know the binding and the pages and the ink are of our earth but this is a supernatural experience every time you open the Bible! Okay. So verse 53. This is Jesus talking. Is this blessing you?

AUDIENCE: Yes!

 

DAVID:    Okay. This is Jesus talking. I tell you the truth. Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood you cannot have eternal life within you. But anyone who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life and I will raise the person at the last day. What’s He talking about in the last day? He’s talking about the resurrection. Before that He says I’m the bread that comes down. What is that? That’s the incarnation. When He comes down to earth that is the incarnation. Say it with me the incarnation.

 

AUDIENCE: Incarnation.

 

DAVID: When the flesh and blood are mentioned that is His crucifixion. So He’s already painting a picture here. He’s talking about a journey and we go on a similar journey. I won’t have time to go into that. But He goes from incarnation to crucifixion. The incarnation is when the Holy Spirit took the unknowable God, as far as can be comprehended by the human mind, when He took the limitless God, when He took the eternal God, the   incomprehensible God and made Him a man, and Jesus was everything of God in the flesh. I can’t even comprehend that but when you see Jesus you see the Father. Incarnation: God becoming man. Spirit becoming flesh. Carnal. Meat. Carnivore. Same thing. Incarnation. Incarnation. Crucifixion. Then He says: I live because of the living Father who sent Me. In the same way, anyone who feeds on Me will live because of Me. What’s He talking about there? That’s the very next breath. He’s talking about His resurrection. So Incarnation. Crucifixion. Resurrection. Now watch this. He goes straight into the other one. And Jesus was aware that His disciples were complaining. They’re like what is He talking about cause none of this has happened yet. So He says does this offend you? Then what will you say or think if you see the Son of Man ascend to heaven again? Are you seeing it? Incarnation. Crucifixion. Resurrection. Ascension. Now this is what, this is where it really takes a strange turn. So He’s talking about this process. Okay? And I’m reading this and going okay, this is good. And then He makes a sudden switch. Just like that! And He says: The Spirit alone gives life. Human effort accomplishes nothing. And the very words, the very words, I have spoken to you are spirit and life.  Okay, there’s a lot here. Incarnation. Crucifixion. Resurrection. Ascension. What do you think this is talking about? You know Jesus said I can’t send the Holy Spirit until I go to my Father. Now why is that? I wondered that. Why is it Lord You had to go up before He could come down? And the Holy Spirit by the way is literally down to earth which is why He can work with us so well. I said Lord, why is that? Well, look at my I-Pad. I’ve got a lot of sermons on here. But if I were to ever misplace my I-Pad, my sermons, my pictures, my audio they’d all be gone! But there’s something amazing about my I-Pad. There’s something amazing about your phone. That the information you have gets stored in what we call a cloud. Jesus ascended on? A cloud.

 

AUDIENCE: A cloud.

 

DAVID: The Word becomes flesh. Crucified. Resurrection. Ascension. Translation. Now the Lord is Spirit. Why does it say now? Because then it wasn’t. But now the Lord is Spirit and where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty. Adam was one thing but Christ, the scripture says, became a life-giving spirit. This is His translation. What am I saying to you? I’m saying just as my information, because you know you think about Jesus and all He had to touch and all He had to do. Think just for an example when Jairus’ daughter was dying and they come for the Master and He goes to Jairus and on His way there this woman with the issue of blood stops Him in the middle of the tracks. I’ll tell you if I was Jairus I’d be angry and furious with this woman who stopped Jesus! He’s on His way to rescue my daughter and you stop Him? Can’t, you waited 12 years, can’t you wait a little longer?

 

AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

 

DAVID: That’s what I would have thought. Jesus was somewhat limited in a physical body. But when He ascended He became the life-giving spirit. The Holy Spirit is Jesus on the cloud! How then does Christ become one with you? The very words I speak are spirit and life. When you read the Word the Holy Spirit takes from the cloud a download and puts it in you!

 

AUDIENCE: Wow!

 

DAVID: When you read the Word Christ becomes incarnate in you! See Christians say I don’t believe in reincarnation! Yes, you do. Christ is re-incarnated in you!

 

AUDIENCE: Amen.

 

DAVID: So then prayer is not an upload. It’s a download. You are Adam 2.0. You got a software upgrade!

 

AUDIENCE: Woo! [CLAPPING]

 

DAVID: And we experience that download when we read the Word! Did that bless you?

 

AUDIENCE: Yes!  [APPLAUSE]

 

DAVID: Okay!

AUDIENCE: [CLAPPING]

 

RON: Hallelujah. Hallelujah! You won’t need to come up. But the Lord’s healed me of sugar diabetes. I had it when I had open heart surgery. I don’t have it now. Ah, it’s gone. My sugar is – I know I’m big but my arteries, I just had a, I just had a cart cath. My arteries are clear. I just had a lung, I have no problem with my lungs. But I do need to lose this weight cause my knees hurt. I’ll pray for that in a minute too. But if you’ve got sugar stand up. We’re just going to declare it gone right now. Hypoglycemia sugar right now in the name of Jesus. Now listen to me. Look at me. Now you could ask anybody in this room that has eaten with me today I’ve had no sugar. Last night I ate some fish. I’m trying to eat right. Now me praying for you isn’t going to do any good if you head for the Dairy Queen as soon as you leave here!

 

AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

 

RON: Cause that’s what I’d do. Get one of those cones dipped in chocolate. You know what I mean.

 

AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

 

RON: Or Lord heal me after I go through the Krispy Kreme.

 

AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

 

RON: You know where it says that brethren I wish above all that you may prosper as your soul prospers?

AUDIENCE: Yes.

 

RON: That’s not talking about your salvation. Souls is psyche. It’s your mind. Your thinking. You’ll prosper when you’re not stupid anymore.

 

AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

 

RON: So we got to, we got to do what our good Christian physicians tell us to do. Now there’s some forms of this that people are born with and I believe God’s going to heal that so I’m not picking at anybody. But I’ve been there. I know about met form and insulin and all the drugs. Amen? And I really believe right now let’s hold our hands up and let’s – I’m going to pray this with you. Lord, I’ve suffered with this myself. I know how it saps your strength and how it bounces up and down. You feel like you can’t move one minute and you’re high energy the next. And Lord these good folk are like me. I ask you to balance their bodies, Lord, like the Garden of Eden. But Lord I pray as You do this you’ll bring people into their life and knowledge into their mind and heart to help them to obey Your laws to get their bodies in line with the Word of God. In Jesus’ name! Amen!

 

AUDIENCE: Amen!

 

RON: Say I’m healed in the name of Jesus!

 

AUDIENCE: [CLAPPING]

 

RON: Well let me go and get to it. And I’m not going to ask you the rest of you to stand up but if you struggle with weight issues like I do hold your hand up. O Lord!

 

AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

 

RON: Paul said I beat my body to bring it into subjection. We got to, we got to decide that we’re going to cooperate with the Holy Spirit but you need to understand that I know that you got a girlfriend and she can eat a half-gallon of ice cream every night and she’s this big around.

 

AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

 

RON: You go to the donut place you eat one, she eats six!

 

AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

 

RON: Or a buddy. He’s drinking a six-pack and eating fried onion rings and weighs a 130 pounds.

 

AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

 

RON: But the fall of Adam created a lot of this too, you know, the imbalances that we have. But how many of you will agree with me for the next 12 months we’re going to let God do something about it in our lives?

 

AUDIENCE: Yes!

 

RON: But we also know that we need some correction in our hormonal balances and that He’ll give us directions about that in our life. Father, we pray right now, we confess, Lord, that we’ve allowed some of this. Lord that we haven’t done and made the right choices in our lives all the time. So Lord we bring ourselves before You and pray, Lord, we want to live longer! In Jesus’ name. Amen!

 

AUDIENCE: Amen!

 

RON: Now I’ve got a knee replacement on my right knee. They want to do it on my left knee. And I don’t want it! I think this time God’s going to heal my knee!

 

AUDIENCE: Hallelujah!

 

RON: Is there anybody else here that’s got knees? Stand up if you have knees.

 

AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

 

RON: I know you got knees. I mean knees that hurt. You know what I’m talking – I heard them!

 

AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

 

RON: My wife says I have this angel with me now because I can’t remember stuff so – how many of you have had a replacement and have at least one replacement hold your hand up? All right. I want to tell you something. In Psalm 22 when Jesus was crucified He said all my joints are out. So I believe He died for our joints. So let’s just claim it together right now. Lord, we pray you’d restore our joints, our knees. You’d heal us of osteoarthritis and bursitis and all the things that come with this age. Lord, we want to serve you! We want to be able to walk Your walk and talk Your talk! So Lord we pray that You’d speak to the lame and that they’d be healed as You promised in Hebrews and Lord that Your healing grace and power would come upon our joints in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth! Amen and Amen!

 

AUDIENCE: Amen!

 

RON: You may be seated. This is a little bit tougher and then I’m done. I’m going to quit. I’m done. The Lord’s revealed to me that there’s probably a younger woman here and you’re really worried about your marriage. Really worried about it. Everybody close your eyes. If that’s you just throw your hand up and put it down real quick. I don’t want anybody – Okay, God bless. God bless. God bless. The Lord wants me to speak this into your spirit. You be the person you’re supposed to be whatever that mate, your mate’s doing. You do the right thing. Father, in the name of Jesus these men they’re praying for right now need a wife, not a preacher. They don’t even know it some of them. And these are good woman who’ve lifted their hands in this room. And some of them are dealing with a bunch of hell right now so I claim Hosea chapter 2 around their mates. That you’d put a hedge of thorns around those men and cause any wrong influence to turn from them right now in the name of Jesus. That they would open their eyes behind that hedge of thorns and realize as Hosea’s wife did that it was better for them with their mate than where they are now. And you have turned them back and when they come home to their wife and God, and I know they’re still there, but Lord when they really come with all their love and all their heart back that you’d give that wife, these women grace enough to speak comfortably to them, to see them restored, their marriage restored. In the name of Jesus. In the name of Jesus. There’s someone here who’s already been forsaken and probably already rode through a divorce. Nothing you can do about it at this point. Some of you even the fellas done and remarried somebody else. The Lord’s telling me to tell you this is not a lack of love but put a tombstone over the past. Cut the chains of hatred and anger away and walk into your new life right now in the name of Jesus. Now Father I pray for each one of these and the churches they represent and the ministries they represent and Lord even when they get home Sunday to that place you’re calling them that they’ll feel the mercy drops falling and then the Latter Rain. Lord, let us hear the thunder of the Latter Rain. Let us live long enough, Lord, to see our children and grandchildren in a revival, Lord, a real awakening. And Lord we expect the third day that this time it’s not only going to be a revival of the Church but You going to exalt the Church and raise up her prestige and her nobility in this nation and in this Western and Eastern civilization that the Church, the real true Church of Jesus, the One New Man Church, the Zion Church will rise! And that, Lord, You’ll raise us up in power to have a Last Days harvest before You raise us up in the Rapture! And Father we give You praise and honor and glory for Sid Roth, for the team here. We pray every financial blessing and resource they need to get done what You want to get done here. We pray health and strength and extended years in his life. We pray Father for blessing and favor to be upon everyone who blesses this ministry. Help them to know, Lord, if they’ve got seed through this ministry especially into Israel they are in line for the Genesis 12:3 blessing. Let them receive it, let them believe it in Jesus’ mighty name! Amen! You’ve got to shout!

 

AUDIENCE: [SHOUTING AND CLAPPING]

TERRY: That is my username. TerryBishop911@cs.com.

 

SHAWN: That?s amazing! What is it? Is it Psalm 91?

 

TERRY: No. Actually someone gave me that way before the 911 happened.

 

SHAWN: Okay. So I felt like, I?m so glad you?re a real person. I felt like the Lord says –

 

AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

 

SHAWN: ?you live in a pleasant place. What does that mean to you? Have you lived in a pleasant place? Is there a pleasance or anything

 

TERRY: I live on Pleasant Hill Church Road.

 

SHAWN: Come on! There you go! You live in a pleasant place.

 

AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER AND CLAPPING] Woo!

 

SHAWN: Wow! Well God knows you. I felt like God said you?ve done a lot of Christian TV?

 

TERRY: Yes.

 

SHAWN: Have you done other projects, like other big projects?

 

TERRY: Uh, yes. I?ve worked for Christian TV in PTL years.

 

SHAWN: Oh for years?

 

TERRY: Yes. I worked there.

 

SHAWN: I just felt like you need to know that God?s going to honor you for your years of service and that the honor actually has a manifestation on this side of eternity for a blessing of resource. And I don?t know how He?s going to do it but He?s going to bless you and your family in a way that –

 

AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

 

SHAWN: You need to understand like God?s seen the faithfulness. So you like you?ve given so many man-hours and if you had done this in like a secular television way you would have had a compensation for it that?s different than doing it for the Christian television world for all these years. And I feel like God is saying I want to show you what your sacrifice paid for here and in heaven. I want to show you the souls, like I saw Him saying one for this network and one for your treasury in heaven. One for – like you?re going to be counted so much treasure in heaven for what you?ve done but also on the earth God is saying you?re going to see His pleasantness in the land of the living. You?re living on Pleasant Hill. I think the Lord is saying that you?re going to –

 

TERRY: [LAUGHING]

 

SHAWN: You?re going to see His pleasant pleasure in the land of the living. And so something?s going to shift. And even as a sign of this you?re going to have some sort of vacation sown into you over the next 12 months as a signpost that God?s going to sow into your rest and He?s going to sow into your pleasantness, you?re having pleasant seasons and He sees you.

 

TERRY: Amen!

 

SHAWN: Amen! Bless you!

 

TERRY: [LAUGHING] Amen!

 

SHAWN: That?s awesome! Thank you.

 

TERRY: Thank you.

 

AUDIENCE: [APPLAUSE] Woo!

 

SHAWN: Wow! Is she here? Okay, so tell me is this DBLASS07?

 

LINDA: Yes, sir. It?s my email address.

 

SHAWN: What?s your name?

 

LINDA: Linda. Diane.

 

SHAWN: Linda Diane? I put Diane Linda so that makes sense.

 

AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

 

SHAWN: Did you work for a bank at some point?

 

LINDA: Yes.

 

SHAWN: And so did you transfer straight here after a bank?

 

LINDA: No.

 

SHAWN: Okay. So you worked for some other stuff first?

 

LINDA: Yes I did. I worked for a bank 23, about 25 years.

 

SHAWN: Okay. I?m just going to grab your hand. And Holy Spirit You showed me this because You know how to get to her and You know how to speak to her and she hears You very clearly already. But I pray, the Lord is saying that He showed me this because He?s about to speak to you another installment and you left the financial world and you left some of the other careers that your aspirations were high but then you met God in a kingdom way and your aspirations became higher and He?s about to fulfill part of the greater destiny word that He gave you over 12 years ago. He?s going to fulfill some of that word. He?s going to start to bring it back up again like this is one of the first points of bringing it back up. He?s going to speak to you in some prophetic ways. Then He?s going to give you a word of wisdom like a map on how to walk it out and I?m seeing you like getting so energized so there?s something in your body that?s been, have you had like a physical energy problem lately? Have you been like?

 

LINDA: Yes.

 

SHAWN: There?s a?

 

LINDA: Extremely tired.

 

SHAWN: Yeah. And so God is going to heal this. It?s an exhaustion that hits you. But there?s something, there?s an imbalance in your system but we don?t have to worry about it cause God?s going to correct it.

 

LINDA: Amen!

 

SHAWN: And it?s not been serious but it?s been enough to steal time. So I pray over you right now that there be no more time stolen, that you would feel invigorated right now! That you would wake up tomorrow as if you had the full sleep that you had. That you?d go to sleep but you?d have full energy all the way until you?re supposed to sleep. That there?d be no more problem. Lord balance out her system in Jesus? name. And your next season?s going to be totally different than all of this! All of this! And the Lord says you paid a price for it. You?re going to get it in Jesus? name!

 

LINDA: Amen! Amen! Thank you.

 

SHAWN: Bless you. You got called out of your office. How cool! Wow!

 

AUDIENCE: [CLAPPING] Woo!

 

SHAWN: Is there a, is there a June?? Are you June?? Hi June. All of a sudden I see, do you look familiar to me. Have we ever met each other?? No?? Are you from Vermont??

 

JUNE: Yes.

 

SHAWN: Okay, maybe that?s why because my wife?s from Vermont and I saw her face and I thought maybe we?d met. Okay, so my wife?s from Vermont which is crazy. Whatever you grabbed I saw your hand. The Lord says you have heavenly hands. What does that mean??

 

JUNE: That?s the name of my massage business.

 

[SHOUTING AND LAUGHING]

 

SHAWN: Oh come one! This is getting crazy. God is so good! He knows you.

 

AUDIENCE: [LAUGHING]

 

SHAWN: Umm, Fairhaven?? I wrote that one more word. What is that??

 

JUNE: That?s where I lived.

 

SHAWN: That?s where you lived??

 

AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

 

SHAWN: So do you live here in the region now in Charlotte??

 

JUNE: I do.

 

SHAWN: And so I feel like God is saying that He?s finally going to place you for why you came here. I feel like you came here and you?ve done a lot of different types of things and it?s been really hard. It hasn?t been easy. And I feel like God is saying I know where you come from. I know what I?ve given you and I?m going to place that deep gift of bringing heaven through your hands which is your works, I?m interpreting it now as if it?s a vision, bringing heaven through your hands which is your works. You?re a powerful woman and you?re a powerful friend and I feel like God is saying I?m going to place you now. You?re going to feel like your roots go so deep, you?re going to feel like your connections all come, like your favor all comes to what it?s for. I feel like you keep getting like this favor, it?s almost like charming, like where people just like you but nothing ever comes from it. The Lord is saying you?re about to land in the favor of heaven and you?re about to have such deep roots in this land. I feel like He?s saying I?ve called you here. Now you?re going to know why you?re called here. And I saw Fair Haven. I feel like this is going to be a fair haven for the favor in what you walk in. It?s been unfair how you?ve been treated here and I feel like the Lord is saying it?s going to be so fair so something must have happened that was wrong here but the Lord says I correct everything. I work all things for your good and even better! So bless you. Bless you, June.

 

JUNE: Thank you.

 

SHAWN: That?s awesome! WOW!

 

AUDIENCE: [APPLAUSE]

 

SHAWN: Can I try one more? We got to, we got to switch. Can I try another one? Is that good? Are we good? Okay. I?m having fun. Those of you watching this is what you get to do. And you just about, you guys this has been about three years of development so this isn?t like 20 years of development. Three years of developing the word of knowledge. And I feel like this is baby stuff compared to where God?s going to bring us all in to. And I remember I went to one of the schools of ministry and there?s like 1500 people and I started to teach this and I said now you guys break up into groups and you guys get words for each another. And one of the guys goes ?I got a phone number!? And then another girl goes ?call it!? And I go I never thought of that.

 

AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

 

SHAWN: I was just carrying them around hoping I?ll meet the person that it belongs to and they called it and prophesied over a woman on the phone who?s not saved and began to tell her things about her body and pray for healing over her and she came to church that Sunday and I just thought I never thought of it! I?m so stupid! Like I?m so –

 

AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

 

SHAWN: My imaginations not big enough for what God wants to do. So God wants to do some crazy stuff and who knows if we call them it?s not going to hurt you. Umm, is there, umm, oh I don?t know, another, maybe it?s another lighting person, Rachel, because I saw a lot of lights. Rachel?

 

PERSON: That?s our lighting person.

 

SHAWN: Oh my gosh! So we have two lighting. So this is cool.

 

PERSON: Let her tell you what she studies in school. Ask her.

 

SHAWN: What are you studying in school? Oh, you got a mic.

 

RACHEL: I just finished my second year of my MFA in lighting design. [laughing]

 

SHAWN: OH, COME ON! I want to meet with you in the future. Okay. So I saw Peter and there was that time when he was up on the roof and he goes into a trance and in a vision and a sheet comes down.

RACHEL: Um-huh.

 

SHAWN: And I felt like God was saying that He?s going to give you things to do that are outside of your current box and He?s saying that like He?s bringing that kind of encounter, like a sheet encounter to you to show you something that would be completely that you didn?t know you were prepared to be doing.

 

RACHEL: I should tell you my last name is Sheets. [laughing]

 

SHAWN: NO IT?S NOT!

 

AUDIENCE: [LAUGHING AND CLAPPING]

 

SHAWN: Come on! That?s amazing! Only God knows our language! He?s so good! So He?s even using your own name as a parable to you!

 

RACHEL: [LAUGHING]

 

SHAWN: That He?s going to give you something that?s outside of your box and sort of some of the project?s going to be outside of the box of the current Christianity. I feel like there?s almost like you?re going to teach or do something that?s going to be involved in some live events and you?re going to be involved with some things that have never been done before, have never been thought of before. And I?m seeing like immersive experience around people and I feel like God is saying ?get ready? because I?ve such an important and valuable destiny in front of you. You can?t miss it! Go ahead.

 

RACHEL: Okay. I?m leaving on a year internship that starts July 5th at a theater. My background isn?t in theater.

 

SHAWN: Oh come on!

 

RACHEL: But I suddenly I just started doing it and getting this degree and all of this. You know ?

 

SHAWN: I?m telling you God?s –

 

RACHEL: I want some experience!

 

SHAWN: He is confirming to you and I feel like He is saying thank you for being my friend and listening to me this far. It?s My joy to give you the rest!

 

RACHEL: [LAUGHING]

 

SHAWN: Bless you, Rachel Wow! God is so good! Wow!

 

AUDIENCE: [APPLAUSE]

DONNA: Sit down a few minutes. Now you’re going to find a little bit how old school I am because I believe there’s a secret hidden right here in chapter 1 of 1st Samuel that we need to get back to as a Church. Because not only did Hannah go to the house of God, but the Bible says that she began to pour out her heart to the Lord in prayer. Darling, this is a lost art in the Church of Jesus Christ! We have become a thumb-oriented group of people! We want instant answers to our deepest questions. We want miracles that come through the internet. And they can come that way. But I’m going to tell you if we want to see God move on this generation there’s no exchange for getting’ on our faces before God! There’s no exchange for time spent in the presence of the Lord! And I believe that this is part of the reason why we’ve suffered and we’ve seen backslidden children, children that are having babies out of wedlock and they’re getting hung up on drugs. It’s because parents have looked to the ministry gifts to be all the answers! I remember when I had a Christian school. There were some parents that wanted to just drop their kids off and have me magically infuse them with Christian values and they’d just go off scot-free! And I’d say Hey! I can only reinforce what you’re teaching in the home! If you’re not teaching it and living it before the kids there’s not one thing I can do!

 

AUDIENCE: Amen!

 

DONNA: And it’s the same thing with prayer! You know a prayer is our communication with the throne! That’s how we get access to all those things that God wants to give to us. And the Word of God reveals something. When Hannah began to pray something happened to her prayer! I want you to see the change that happened. She went from saying Oh God, I’m barren. Oh God, I’m so sad. Oh God, You’ve forsaken me. Oh God, I just want a kid! Oh God, I’m so embarrassed! O God, me, me, me, me, me, my, my, my, my, my. I want, I want, I want, I need, I need, I need!

 

AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

 

DONNA: Where a lot of Christians that’s where they end their prayer! But while she was on her face, while she was in travail, while she was in that place where she would not be denied suddenly her prayer changed and she said God, if You’ll give me a son, I’ll give him to You. And God said That’s it!

 

AUDIENCE: [LAUGHING]

 

DONNA: That’s what I was waiting for! I just wanted permission. I wanted you to release him to me. I’ve got an agenda for this generation! I’ve got a plan and I needed a holy woman of God that would know how to pray, know how to connect with me, and know how to submit her will to My will! That’s why you’ve been barren, Hannah. Not because you’re backslidden but because you’re holy and you know how to pray! Hallelujah! Some of you don’t know how close you are to your miracle!

 

AUDIENCE: [CLAPPING]

 

DONNA: You’re one prayer meeting away, one prayer meeting away from your miracle! Stop looking to everybody else to give it to you! Just get on your face. Now let me show you proof of this. I’m going to read from chapter 2 where God said it. Now you have to read this in your personal time, in your own devotions because the first four chapters gives a real clear description about what was going on in the church, I mean in the nation of Israel. The Bible says that there was no widespread revelation. That Eli’s eyes were going dim and I believe that’s in the spiritual too. But God still had a plan. He was waiting on Hannah to pray because in verse 35 of chapter 2 He says this: Then I will raise up for Myself a faithful priest who shall do according to what is in My heart and in My mind. I will build him a sure house and he shall walk before My anointed forever. You see unfortunately there’s been a subtle twist to the Gospel where we feel like the world is waiting on our ministry gift. You know we’re God’s next great answer to the world but what God’s waiting for are men and women of God who are willing to say God, wherever You send me I’ll go! Whatever you want me to do, I’ll do it, God! I want to do what’s in Your heart! I’ve got a lot of things in my mind, things I think should be done a certain way. But God I want only what You want because when I’m in alignment with You all of my needs are met!

 

AUDIENCE: Amen!

 

DONNA: Isn’t that what the Word says? Before I even called He’ll answer me? Heh! I don’t even have to tell Him what I need. All I have to say is Lord, Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven! Amen?

 

AUDIENCE: Amen!

 

DONNA: You see this is what Hannah found the secret and it was in that praying through. And we used to have that expression in the church. You know the mothers of the church always knew how to pray through. Sometimes it was a three-day fast. Sometimes it was two hours in the prayer closet, right?

 

AUDIENCE: Yes.

 

DONNA: And I used to try to find a scripture for what it means to pray through and I think Hannah is about the closest I could find to it. But I don’t have to have a scripture for it. I just know when I have! Amen? And I believe this is where God’s getting the Church so that He can raise up for this generation leaders that will do everything that is in His heart! I have a pastor, a minister friend who’s an evangelist, he’s a very close friend of mine, and God has given him a mighty healing ministry. And he told me this story in private. He said Donna, when I first started out in ministry you know he said I was being invited to big churches and he said I was young. He was 16, 17, 18 years of age and God was giving him great miracles. And he was in South Bend Indiana and he was actually preaching at Lester Sumrall’s church that weekend but somebody had invited him to come to a church in the area and I think it was on a Wednesday night. And when he got to the church on Wednesday night there was only a handful of people there. Maybe 12, 13, 15 people and he got mad. He got cocky. He says why in the world am I in this church? I’m packing them in by the thousands over at the big church! Why’d you send me here, God? I’m not going to get much of an offering here tonight.

 

AUDIENCE: Mm.

 

DONNA: Now he, you know this is pretty humbling for him to be telling me this but he told me with tears in his eyes that when he got back to the room Jesus met him in the room.

 

AUDIENCE: Wow.

 

DONNA: And he said I didn’t see Him but I felt His presence and I saw the light come into my room and the Lord said to me If that small group of people is not too small for me to show up, who are you?

 

AUDIENCE: Yes. Wow.

 

DONNA: Huh! See Jesus isn’t necessarily looking for the crowd. He’s looking for faith! And Church this is what we have to do. We have to get back to the place where we’re going to believe God for a change not only in our life but a change in our generation! How many of you know this generation needs it?

 

AUDIENCE: Yes!

 

DONNA: You know we spend so much time looking at the news and trying to decide who’s the next president that’s going to be, that’s going to make us great again. I’m going to tell you. No man, no woman ever going to change this nation! There’s only One’s that’s going to change it! And that’s the living Christ!

 

AUDIENCE: [CLAPPING]

 

DONNA: And it’s time we learn to get back into relationship with Him! Amen?

 

AUDIENCE: Yes!

 

DONNA: There’s one more point that I want to make and this is something that really is an instinctual part of when we have prayed through. When Hannah got an answer from Eli the priest that God had heard her prayer, this is what Hannah said, what the Bible says about her. She said let Your maidservant find favor in your sight. So the woman went her way and she ate and her face was no longer sad. What did that mean? She had come in there depressed but when she received that Word witnessed by Eli that God had heard your prayer she didn’t hold a baby in her hands yet but she had the witness of the Word in her spirit and it immediately changed her countenance! Hallelujah!

 

AUDIENCE: Amen! [CLAPPING]

 

DONNA: It immediately relieved her depression! It immediately caused her to stand up and the next verse said they went and worshipped! Hallelujah! I kind of picture Hannah as a person. She was so excited about that baby in her womb that for the next nine months she was just walking around the house with her hands raised! Blessed be the name of the Lord! He doesn’t forget His children but He’s honored His handmaid and hallelujah, and before she cradled Samuel in her arms she had expectancy that God was faithful to answer her! And that’s how I want to encourage you today. I know what it’s like to pray and trust and quote scripture and still not see an answer to prayer! I know what that’s like! Sometimes we feel I’ve sinned and then we repent of every sin we can think of! Sometimes we feel like God has rejected us. We begin to listen to that little voice in our ear. Or that maybe it wasn’t God’s will for us and we have that tendency to want to give up on hope. But I want to tell you today I’ve come to encourage your faith! That your miracle is not just about you! God has His Church in a place right now to break through as we’ve never broken through before! We’ve got to set in our sights what He wants to do in the lives of our children and in our grandchildren. What He wants to do in the government halls in this nation. What He wants to do in the school systems. What He wants to do under tents and in coliseums. What He wants to do in the arts and the entertainment. We’ve got to start having a vision that comes from heaven! We need to say God, I’m going to rise up and finally obey Jesus! There’s only one prayer that You taught me to pray and that is this: Lord, let Your kingdom come, let Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven! For Thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory! Can you imagine if we walked the streets saying that? Let Your kingdom come God! Yours is the kingdom and the power of the glory! Let Your kingdom come, God, right here! Stand to your feet and let’s just begin to release that faith to the Lord. Just begin to talk to God in your own way. Would you do it? Thank You, Jesus!

KEVIN:  Remember, when we decree God’s word we release God’s angels to go forth and to minister for those who will inherit salvation. I believe that some of you are going to have angelic visitations and angelic encounters TONIGHT!

 

AUDIENCE:  Whoo! Yes! (CLAPPING)

 

KEVIN:  So just believe to receive. Amen? Now quickly. When God opens up your spiritual senses and you begin to recognize God’s angels and understand that you can co-labor with them there are three things you need to do. Hallelujah. So you get the revelation. And any angelic encounter that you have must line up with the scripture. Amen? God’s angels will not violate the canon of scripture. So an angel may appear to you and give you some type of directive. Well that could be visionary. You could see it or it could be an audible message or it could be a “knowing” that you have which we call the “unction” of the Holy Spirit. That’s called “the revelation.” This could apply to any supernatural experience by the way, but for the sake of this mentoring session we’re talking about God’s angels. Amen? So you get the “revelation.” The next step that you need to understand is “interpretation.” And then the third step is “implementation.” I’m going to give you an example of this. As a new believer I was entertaining God’s angels and I had an encounter on a place called Killick Island in Newfoundland and the Holy Spirit visited me and He encouraged me. He instructed me to go to Africa and preach the gospel to the poor people there and to minister healing to the sick and deliver people from demonic influence. That was my worst nightmare. But I began to pray and what happened was God began to allow me to release an angel of provision to go forward and in short order I got a passport. I got all the inoculations and with less than 24 hours after I released this angel of provision all the money for that trip to Africa came in, over 4,000 dollars. Can somebody give Him a handclap of praise for that?

 

AUDIENCE:  (CLAPPING)

 

KEVIN:  Now how many of you would like to have an angel of provision that you can release like that? Well I want to decree over you that they’re available in God’s kingdom and you can begin to learn how to co-labor with them. Amen? So now I’m in Africa and I’m in a place called Murchison Falls Uganda in a mud hut and in this mud hut the glory of God manifested. Phew. Hallelujah! Kind of like it’s comin’ now in Jesus’ name! And at 11 o’clock they cut off all the electricity because it was in a game reserve. There was no electricity there. They used a generator.     And I begin to pray in the Holy Spirit according to the scriptural principle of Jude 20: “Build yourself up in your most holy faith by praying in the Holy Spirit.” (prays in tongues) I was prayin’ in the Holy Spirit and as I was praying in the Holy Spirit I had the understanding that I was praying with knowledge. I was praying with a purpose for God to release His angels to protect those people who were on that ministry trip and there were circumstances that came up that we needed that protection. But after I’d prayed in the Spirit, now this is a key for you, if you pray in the Holy Spirit it will accelerate your ability to discern God’s angels and to learn how to co-labor with them. Hallelujah. So “shandai.” Okay? And as I’m praying in the Spirit what happened was the glory of God came into the room about 2 am and I had a candle lit and I could literally see the flame of the candle and it was flickering in the wind. And all of a sudden God opened my spiritual eyes and I saw these four powerful angels which had come into the bungalow. Big guys like 8, 9 foot tall. They looked like you know weightlifters with you know shields and swords  and these beautiful white robes. And at first I was astonished but I continued to look at ‘em and in that atmosphere I got a revelation that I was to move from West Virginia to Kansas City and to submit to the authority of Christ Triumphant Church. Well I’d only been to Kansas City once. I’d never been to Christ Triumphant Church. I didn’t know anything about that church. So what I did was I took that revelation to my spiritual mentor at that time which was evangelist Omega Dow. I told that to her. We evaluated it. We prayed about it. So there’s keys to interpreting the revelation. There’s prayer, fasting. You want to submit it to spiritual authority and if you’re going to stay up into this aspect of God’s kingdom you need to be submitted to spiritual authority. Can someone say amen to that?

 

AUDIENCE:  Amen.

 

KEVIN:  So my mentor told me, Kevin, I believe this is the Lord and when the time is right God will open up the door for you. In fact two years later God opened up the door for me and I travelled to Kansas City and I actually met the pastor of that church in Pasadena California, hallelujah, a year later, and what has ended up happening was by the unction of the Holy Spirit I realized that the revelation and the interpretation was right but I needed to wait on the implementation of what I had got from angelic ministry.  And so it took 4 years and after 4 years God opened up the door for me to move to Kansas City and I submitted to the authority of Christ Triumphant Church. Pastor Alan and Pastor Carol Koch, wonderful, spirit-filled pastors in the Kansas City area. In fact they’re still my pastors, hallelujah, 11 years later. Can somebody give God a handclap of praise for that?

 

AUDIENCE:  (CLAPPING)

SID:  Sid Roth with “Something More” and Dr. David Herzog.  And uh David, –

 

[MUSIC ENDS]

 

SID:  people’s lives are being literally transformed when they get your revelation on the Courts of Heaven.  Uh, explain wh – where did – uh tell me how you got this.  What were the circumstances?

 

DAVID:  Yeah, I was in this situation where the first time it happened, I was in a meeting, and miracles were happening.  And this woman was crying, and I said, “Why are you crying?  Uh, things – uh great things are happening tonight!”  She goes, “Well my son here, who is setting next to me, is going to go to court Tuesday” it was like a Thursday or a Friday night, –

 

SID:  Um.

 

DAVID:  “and he’s probably going to go to jail for a very long time, because he was caught with child pornography.”

 

SID:  Hm.

 

DAVID:  And in the State of Arizona I think he  – at that time you would get like 5 years in jail per thing.  And they  – they got his computer, and he’s in big trouble.  I think he was 17 or 18, and so he was in big trouble.  SO I said to the boy, “Is that true?”  He goes, “Yeah, I messed up.”  I said, “Well do you want to repent, and get saved?”  “Yeah.”  So he comes up; he gets saved.  Then I say to him, “Wait; um, it – let’s take it to the Court of Heaven!”  And I just thought well there’s got to be a court in – I had never heard a teaching on it at that point.  It was kind of by – the Lord just said –

 

SID:  Um hm.

 

DAVID:  “Take it to My Court, before he goes to the earthly court; ‘… on earth as it is in heaven.'”  If we can get a heavenly verdict on it, then hopefully we can match it with – on the earth!  So I just went by faith, and I said, “Okay, close your eyes”, and he closed his eyes; I said, “Let’s go, by faith.  Now imagine you see the Judge, because there is a Judge in Heaven.”

 

SID:  Right.

 

DAVID:  “Let’s present our case, and I’ll help you, and I’ll come with you.”  And I said, “Now Jesus is the Lawyer, His dad is the Judge, so it’s kind of rigged.”

 

SID:  [LAUGHS]

 

DAVID:  “So you got a good Jewish lawyer, and you got a Judge who – who’s His Father!”  And I said –

 

SID:  You have a good Israeli lawyer!

 

DAVID:  Yeah, Israeli lawyer!

 

SID:  [LAUGHS]

 

DAVID:  Israeli Jewish lawyer!

 

SID:  [LAUGHS]

 

DAVID:  And – and I said, –

 

[MUSIC AND VIDEO BEGINS]

 

DAVID:  “So here, Father, we present this boy to You.  He just got saved.  He deserves sin -”

 

VIDEO:  DAVID:  Oh Father in Heaven,

 

DAVID:  uh I mean, “he deserves death and punishment.”

 

VIDEO:  BOY SENTENCED TO JAIL:  I want to be used of God.

 

DAVID:  “But because of the blood of Your servant Yeshua, Jesus, he’s been forgiven.”

 

[MUSIC AND VIDEO ENDS]

 

DAVID:  “We ask You know, Father God, that You would take care of this court case on Tuesday.  Whatever Your will is, he is okay with it, but we want to present it to You first.”  Then I – something came to my mind, then I said, “Wait a second!  Do you have a call on your life?”, and the boy said, “Yes I do.  My mother told me since I was little I have a call to ministry, and this and that; and that’s why the enemy’s been attacking me, and I fell into sin.”  And I go, “Oh, okay”, and I go, “Time out!” as if I was in a court case.  “Time out.  Let me talk to my client,” you know.

 

SID:  [LAUGHS]

 

DAVID:  Even though Jesus is the lawyer – Yeshua.

 

SID:  Right.

 

DAVID:  I said, “What if we presented to the Judge that you want to serve God also?  You want to do your calling?”

 

SID:  Interesting.

 

DAVID:  “Maybe that can affect the court case?  I don’t know.”  And he goes, “Yeah, I’ll do whatever!  I’m happy I’m saved!”  So then we go back, and I said, “Your Honor, Judge of Heaven and Earth, uh he wants to be used in ministry because he has a call on his life.”  And he said, he even told me, “Even if I go to jail, I don’t mind as long as God uses me.”  So you know it wasn’t a “get out of jail card”; he was just like, “I just want to be right with God.”

 

SID:  Um hm.

 

DAVID:  So we presented that, and I heard the Father say – the Judge, “Forgiven, and cleared.”  And at the time, the pastor was saying, when he walked by and he overheard it, and I think he mumbled something like, “Well he can be forgiven, but he’s going to have to pay for that,” you know.

 

SID:  [LAUGHS]

 

DAVID:  And so again, which is the normal res – earthly response.

 

SID:  Right.

 

DAVID:  Then he – then he came the next few nights beaming – like glowing – just so happy.  Then he goes to the court on Tuesday, and the judge and the lawyer happen to be Christians.  They took him out to talk to him, and then – before it started, and they said, “Listen.” the opposing lawyer said, “Listen, we have so much evidence -”

 

[MUSIC AND VIDEO BEGINS]

 

DAVID:  “against you, there’s no way you can win.  You’re going to go to jail for a long time.  You want to -”

 

VIDEO:  OPPOSING LAWYER:  You’re going to go to jail for a long time because of all the evidence we have against you.

 

DAVID:  “make sure you’re a Believer before you go, because you’ll need it.”  He says, “I already am a Believer.”

 

VIDEO:  BOY SENTENCED TO JAIL:  “That’s okay.  I’m saved.”

 

DAVID:  “I just got saved.”  Gave the whole testimony; told them he doesn’t even mind if he goes; he’s fine –

 

VIDEO:  JUDGE:  I understand.  This case is closed.

 

DAVID:  because he’s saved, and God’s going to use him in jail.

 

[VIDEO ENDS]

 

DAVID: And they were so moved by his testimony that they threw the case out.  And this happened.

 

SID:  That’s where you realize –

 

[MUSIC ENDS]

 

SID:  that you are on to something.

 

DAVID:  Exactly.

 

SID:  It – it’s uh, you know, “there is “nothing new.” It’s – but it’s new to our generation.

 

DAVID:  Exactly.

 

SID:  Uh now, that would – the – we could call that an – an amazing coincidence, but is this happening many times to you, and to many people when they get this revelation?

 

DAVID:  Well I – I had a – some people that owed us a large amount of money, in a faraway country, and they just decided not to give it!  They just –

 

SID:  Um hm.

 

DAVID:  They only gave a fourth of it, which they told me it was everything, but then later I find out it wasn’t; the Holy Spirit told me it wasn’t.  I pressed them, and find out it wasn’t, so I said, “Well send it!”  And they go, “Nope!  We’re just not going to send it.”  And I was like “Wow, that’s a bummer!  How am I – I can’t do anything about it.”  And the Lord reminded me, “Take it to My Courts!”  “Aah!  I can go to the Court of Heaven!”  So we decided to fast and pray that day, just to – just to pray, with fasting, just to be more focused; so my wife and I went to the Court of Heaven and did the same thing!  “Here’s our case.  Now Lord, if we’re wrong,” you know.  And you know, when someone does you wrong, sometimes you get a little angry, or you say stuff you shouldn’t say, like “Oh, those people are jerks”, or –

 

SID:  Um hm.

 

DAVID:  so then the enemy – you go to the court.  There’s the opposing attorney – the devil – he’s “the accuser of the brethren”; the Bible says he’s there “day and night”.  So he uses anything that you do wrong against you in the court.  But the Lord told me “If you repent of anything you’ve done wrong before you go to the court, the enemy can’t use it as evidence against you in the court”!

 

SID:  You know we think about that in just your personal life, but we don’t understand that it affects everything you touch!

 

DAVID:  That’s why your prayers get blocked.  It’s not just God’s mad at you; the enemy uses it against you in the Court of Heaven, because He says, “he … accuse[s] … the brethren … day and night.” So “the accuser.”  So I said –

 

SID:  Makes sense.

 

DAVID:  so I said, “Okay; Lord, I repent of being mad that they kept all this money from – even though it was f-for ministry stuff.  Uh, I repent, Lord, for saying ‘Oh, they shouldn’t have done this.  They were jerks.’  I repent of it.  Now here’s my case:  They – this is what should have – I should have received; this is what they kept back”, and it was for something in Jerusalem we were doing actually – the project.  And in fact, the Holy Spirit was more bothered by it than I was, because at first I said, “Well, whatever Lord.  I just – I forgive.  I finally – I forgive them.  Whatever, you know, I trust You.”  He says, “No; but take it to My Court.  I want you to -,” and when I did, I presented the case, and then I felt at peace by the end of the night.  We’d prayed all day till night; at night I felt the Holy Spirit say, “It’s done”, like don’t’ pray anymore, you feel a-a lifting.  And when you feel –

 

SID:  Mm.

 

DAVID:  that peace, you know okay, it’s settled.  Two days later, they wired like $86,000 back into your account which they’d kept back.  And I said, “What happened?  You guys said you weren’t going to do it.”  It was a really faraway country; they emailed me back and said, “We can’t tell the details, but there was suddenly today an emergency meeting, and everyone unanimously voted to send it back to you,” so I don’t know WHAT happened.  And another time in Russia!  I was detained at the airport because I had all these Russian books – my books in Russian – and they opened it; and they said, “Oh you can’t bring this in here”.  And there – they got really upset, and “You can’t come in the country; your books can’t come in the country”, and they got really mad.  And for a – about an hour and-a-half they detained us, kept our passports; and you could FEEL like something not good is about to happen.  You could really sense in the air like, this is – this is really not good, more than when you –

 

SID:  Was this at a time where they were throwing people in prison without even –

 

DAVID:  Um while Ed – Edward Snowden was still in prison, we’re still in the airport, um, being held at the time.

 

SID:  Okay.

 

DAVID:  And at that time, it was September – what, about 2 years ago?

 

SID:  Okay.

 

DAVID:  2012?  2012?

 

SID:  So – so it wasn’t that far back.  Okay.

 

DAVID:    2012 or 2013, the Lord told me uh the relations with Russia and the U.S. will also start to shift, as far as Americans easily going in and bringing the Gospel in to Russia.  It was like kind of a sign, and I –

 

SID:  Um hm.

 

DAVID:  so the ca –  I see where the cameras are; we’re in this room.

 

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DAVID:  So I told my – my wife reminded me –

 

DAVID:  DAVID’S WIFE:  Why don’t we just go to the – Court of Heaven?

 

DAVID:  “Hey, let’s go to the Court of Heaven, honey!”  She’s great, you know – Stephanie.

 

SID:  Hm.

 

DAVID:  I say, “Oh, yeah!”  Duh!

 

VIDEO:  DAVID:  You’re right!

 

DAVID:  By faith, though –

 

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DAVID:  we go up to the Court of Heaven.

 

VIDEO:  DAVID:  Thank You Father.

 

DAVID:  We present our case, –

 

VIDEO:  DAVID:  We come before You in the Courts of Heaven, –

 

DAVID:  and they don’t know what we’re talking about.

 

VIDEO:  DAVID:  seeking justice.

 

DAVID:  Five minutes after that, they RUN back and go, “Please, you can leave now.”

 

VIDEO:  RUSSIAN SECURITY:  You are free to go to.

 

DAVID:  Here’s your passports.  Go.

 

VIDEO:  DAVID:  Why did they do this?

 

DAVID:  “Can I bring my – my books with me?”  “Yes.”  I said, “Why did you detain us, then?”

 

VIDEO:  RUSSIAN SECURITY:  Don’t ask; just go.

 

DAVID:  “Don’t ask; just go.”

 

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SID:  Hm.

 

DAVID:  So it like – so I don’t know; and again, sometimes you don’t need to know the details.  But I think Paul had some revelation on this, because he had – he got out of jail MANY times – “get out of jail cards.”  Um, he knew how to go to the Throne; he knew how to go to the Father.  SO MANY situations where it’s just amazing.

 

SID:  Well you go into a lot of detail about the Court of Heaven –

 

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SID:  in here, but uh, in so many other uh ancient secrets.  Speaking of ancient secrets, –

 

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SID:  you’ve learned how to tap into the portals of God.  What – what is a “portal”, and what do you mean?

 

DAVID:  Well a “portal” in Latin, “port” just means “door”; so it’s not something weird.

 

SID:  So a “door”.

 

DAVID:  Yeah.

 

SID:  You – you know how to open the door.

 

DAVID:  And some Christians say, “I believe in open heavens, but ‘portal’ sounds demonic or something”, –

 

SID:  Hm.

 

DAVID:  which is uh ridiculous, because “portal” [CHUCKLES] just means “door” in Latin, and in –

 

SID:  Uh huh.

 

DAVID:  in French, or Thai.  So open the “doors” or “windows” of Heaven; how do you – you know, so there’s different ways.  Of course there’s praise and worship, there’s repentance, there’s fasting, there’s giving; but then there’s also SEASONAL portals, like being in the right place at the right time, like when I was in Israel during the Feasts, worshipping God.  It’s like everything was lined-up because God does promise to visit also at certain SEASONS and times when you show up and praise Him.

 

SID:  Uh He calls them “set appointments.”

 

DAVID:  Yeah!  So when He shows up, the glory’s there – the “portal” is there – and He promises to show up at certain times if we show up.

 

SID:  And uh, huh, you have gone to Heaven.  Tell me the first time you went to Heaven.

 

DAVID:  First time I went to Heaven I was in Bethel, Israel, and we were there with a tour group.  We rented a bullet-proof bus.  Nobody wanted to go; the tour group didn’t want us to go.  You know the tour agency.

 

SID:  Um hm.

 

DAVID:  They said it’s  –

 

SID:  Right.

 

DAVID:  It’s “meshugganah” at the time; 2003.

 

SID:  “Crazy.”

 

DAVID:  2003; you have to rent a bullet-proof bus; you have to have a security guard with a machine gun.  You’ve got to pass Ramallah, go to the checkpoint, and you want to lay down there and try to get – okay, that’s crazy.  And I said, “Yeah!  I want to do it.”  They said, “Well this is going to cost you more money”, and they tried to really discourage me.  I said, “Okay, I’ll do it!”  I was so desperate, because Genesis 28, this is “the gate of Heaven”, Bethel!  I want to go check it out!  Didn’t say “it was”; it said it “is the gate”!

 

SID:  You didn’t care whether it was Palestinian or what!

 

DAVID:  No!

 

SID:  You just wanted to go to that uh doorway.

 

DAVID:  Yeah!  Sometimes you’ve got to risk your life to get the glory!  [CHUCKLES]

 

SID:  Okay.

 

DAVID:  So we went over there; we laid on the ground.  Someone played guitar, and I said, “Everyone close your eyes,” find a rock like Jacob did, “and just see what God shows you!  Maybe you’ll have a vision; maybe you’ll get taken to Heaven!  I don’t know what’s going to happen, but we’ll – we’ll have interviews afterward.”

 

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DAVID:  So we laid down.  I saw Jesus – Yeshua.  I was taken up, and I saw the crystal sea.  I saw the Messiah, Yeshua; His eyes were flaming like fire.  I got closer and closer to Him.  He looked at me, and He said, –

 

VIDEO:  YESHUA:  Thank you for touching Isaac, My people.

 

DAVID:  “Thank you for touching Isaac, my people.”  He said two things to me:  “I want you also to touch Ishmael, and the Muslims, –

 

[MUSIC AND VIDEO ENDS]

 

DAVID:  because they’re crying out for Me”; and number two, He said, “Please organize a conference for Me in Jerusalem”.  So I came out of it, and I thought, “Well, that could have just been my mind; it could have been my imagination.”

 

SID:  I understand.  A lot of people get talked out of the supernatural.

 

DAVID:  But then a few days later, a friend calls me and says, “Hey, we want to organize a – a conference in Jerusalem -”

 

SID:  [CHUCKLES]

 

DAVID:  “and in Bethlehem.  We’re going to reach all these Arabs and Palestinians at Bethlehem, but we also -“, or at – they’re actually, at the time, uh, oh, I think they were Palestinian by that time, but Arab-Israelis, “and we’re going to reach the Jews in Jerusalem.  But we want YOU to organize the conference in Jerusalem, because you have more of the Jewish connection.”  And I said, “That’s so crazy.  I would normally say ‘No’ because I don’t live in Israel, but the L-  Messiah just asked me those exact words, ‘Could you organize a conference in Jerusalem’!”  And then that – and then that week – the following week – all the doors opened to the Arab-Muslim world.  I was invited to Dubai, Qatar, Bahrain; within a few months I was in all those countries!  Uh, Indonesia opened up, –

 

SID:  So you did not doubt.

 

DAVID:  Abu Dhabi –

 

SID:  You did not doubt that it was God, –

 

DAVID:  I mean you –

 

SID:  and you did not doubt you were in Heaven.  Y-you said something interesting to me.  You said that once you have your first visitation to Heaven, it like it makes it easier if you want to go to Heaven again.

 

DAVID:  Exactly.

 

SID:  But let me ask you this:  Is it do you want to go, or is it only as God so wills?  I mean when Paul said he was in “the third heaven” –

 

DAVID:  Um hm.

 

SID:  uh, do you think he had something to do with it, or it was just a sovereign – uh your first time it was really a sovereign thing.

 

DAVID:  Yeah, but it was faith, too, because I really wanted to go to Bethel, because I wanted to see what Jacob experienced.

 

SID:  Right.

 

DAVID:  So I think it’s partly, like it says, “By faith Enoch … was not”, so uh, even that.  So I think a lot of it is faith; you have faith and hunger for the supernatural.  Some people just get it; they die, and then went to Heaven; and they don’t – they get in a car accident; they weren’t asking for it.  But others that don’t have to die; I think you can ask, because it does say you can “come boldly to the throne”, “the veil [has been] rent”; we have access to Him.  So I was just hungry for – there’s gotta – maybe there is something to this.  Well in my case, I asked the Lord.  But if you’ve been to Heaven – a lot of people will tell me, “I’ve been to Heaven 20 years ago; never been back.”

 

SID:  Hm!

 

DAVID:  “How do I get back in?”  I said, “It’s really simple.  Just lay down – you lie on your bed and just start to remember that time you were in Heaven.  Just imagine it, remember it, what it was like.”  And your mind is a gateway, you know.  Your – your words are a gateway, but your thoughts are too; “[As a man] … thinks … so is he.”  And as you start to think and remember, many times that gate will be [SNAPS FINGERS] instantly wide open immediately, and you’re – and before you know it you’re back in!  Just like if you talk about the glory, suddenly the glory shows up.  You start thinking about and remembering what happened; many times it opens it right up, just by doing that.

 

SID:  Now let me ask you a question.  Have you – uh obviously I’ve been to your meetings, and you’ve found that uh many people get healed of many unusual things at your meetings.

 

DAVID:  Um hm.

 

SID:  Uh, but from a distance, can someone be healed?  Like we’re – we’re in –

 

DAVID:  Sure.

 

SID:  t- uh, internet now with this.  Uh, can – can someone be healed just watching us right now?

 

DAVID:  Oh yeah!  They can be healed; even raised from the dead!  We’ve seen both from a distance!  Um –

 

SID:  Give me an example of uh one person.  Uh, in fact, the one that comes to mind that we were talking about earlier is where you knew someone’s name –

 

DAVID:  Yeah.

 

SID:  when you were speaking.  Tell me about that.

 

DAVID:  Yeah.  So I was moving in the prophetic, and the word of knowledge, and I said, “There’s someone,” I forgot the name now, but I – I was in Hammond, Louisiana.  I gave the first and last name of a man.  It’s wonderful when you get accurate like that.  Only problem is –

 

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DAVID:  nobody lifted their hand that was for them.

 

VIDEO:  DAVID:  Is there anybody by that name?

 

SID:  Hm.

 

DAVID:  So I go, “Is anyone here by that name?”; nobody raised their hand!  And I said “oh, great”.

 

VIDEO:  DAVID:  Is there anybody by that name?

 

DAVID:  And finally a woman comes up and says, “Well that’s my husband’s name, but he’s not here.”  She didn’t tell me what was wrong.

 

VIDEO:  WOMAN:  My husband’s not here.

 

DAVID:  She stood up, raised her hand.  I said, –

 

VIDEO:  WOMAN:  He’s been in a coma for 4 days.

 

DAVID:  “Well, we’ll pray for you, for him.  We’ll -”

 

VIDEO:  DAVID:  We’ll stand in proxy for him.

 

DAVID:  “you’ll stand in proxy for him.”  And I just said, “Come back”, three times.

 

VIDEO:  DAVID:  Come back.

 

DAVID:  She fell out in the Spirit.

 

VIDEO:  DAVID:  Come back.

 

DAVID:  The next day, she came to the meeting –

 

VIDEO:  DAVID:  Come back!

 

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DAVID:  and told me, “You didn’t know this, but my husband was in a coma for 4 days.”

 

SID:  And you called his name out.

 

DAVID:  Called his name, and I said, “Come back.”

 

SID:  Hm!

 

DAVID:  But in my natural, I thought, “Oh maybe he left her”, or something, and –

 

SID:  Um hm.

 

DAVID:  no; he was –

 

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DAVID:  gone.  Like, his –

 

VIDEO:  DAVID:  Come back.

 

DAVID:  he was in a coma!  And the hour –

 

VIDEO:  DAVID:  Come back.

 

DAVID:  that I called his name and she fell out –

 

VIDEO:  DAVID:  Come back!

 

DAVID:  in the Spirit, he came back too.

 

SID:  Uh, and, –

 

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SID:  like, in a little while, if we pray what do you believe is going to happen to people that are just watching this?

 

[VIDEO ENDS]

 

DAVID:  Well I believe the presence of God is already here; it’s in their homes.  And if they’ll believe when we begin to pray, the moment we pray, things will begin to happen.  They can believe if I give a word of knowledge.  Even if I don’t give them a specific word, while they’re listening, they can just begin to get in the Spirit and start to declare their miracle, and they’ll also see miracles.

 

SID:  You know, a lot of people miss this, because let’s say David or myself function in the word of knowledge, which we do; we may not say the condition that you’re believing God for, so well don’t miss what David just said.  He said whether he says it or I say it or NOT, it’s yours, in the glory.  Now, tell me uh, you’ve been teaching on these subjects.  Tell me about uh, it’s –

 

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SID:  actually the uh “Aligning With Heaven” package.  It’s uh, it’s the book and the 3 CDs.

 

DAVID:  Um hm.

 

SID:  Uh when you teach on this, –

 

[VIDEO ENDS]

 

SID:  when you – people read the book, tell me the feedback you get.  What’s going to happen to someone that goes through this “Aligning With Heaven” package?

 

DAVID: People tell me they wish they had this information and revelation 20 years; their whole life would have been different.  They’re SO thankful, because they’re seeing prayers that they’d never seen answered in 20-, 30-years get answered within hours, days and weeks.  There s- – realizing there’s a – an acceleration.  “My people perish for lack of knowledge”, the Bible says.  Because we don’t KNOW that we have the right to GO that way TO God, we don’t get the results; so it’s a HUGE revolutionary transformation over people.

 

SID:  Uh tell me – tell me uh, a few of the more popular teachings they get from the CDs and they get from this book.

 

DAVID:  There’s another teaching about how to activate your DNA into God’s DNA, because the blood of Jesus is very powerful – the blood of Yeshua.  And in your bladder – your DNA – there’s memory; you – there’s memory of your sins, –

 

SID:  I know this; yes.

 

DAVID:  and that – your past sins; but there’s also memory of blessings down your family line.  And a lot of us only break the curses on our family line, but we don’t liberate the blessings off our family line.  Even if they weren’t saved, you can ask the Lord to –

 

SID:  You know, I’ve never HEARD of that before.  How did you?

 

DAVID: Well the Lord [CHUCKLES] began –

 

SID:  How did you even know about that?

 

DAVID:  the Lord began to show me stuff, and I said, “Well let me test this out!” And I started testing it on myself.  And on my Jewish side I had relatives that were scientists, and they knew 12 languages, and they were in business, and government; and I started asking God –

 

SID:  I’ll take a little of YOUR DNA!  [LAUGHS]

 

DAVID:  I asked – [CHUCKLES] – I asked – I want some of yours!

 

SID:  [LAUGHS]

 

DAVID:  And I said, “Lord, cleanse my DNA.  Show me, you know, my mind, my -“, even my – even your I.Q. can go up.  Daniel – it said that – that suddenly he was “ten times [wiser]”, smarter “in all matter [of] wisdom … understanding and learning than his peers]”; it didn’t say he studied ten times more, in Daniel 1!  And so suddenly I’d be waking up for like 6 weeks of doing this, of asking God to cleanse my DNA with His blood, and cleanse my bloodline.  Not just break the curse, but open up the blessings down the line, that’s encapsulated IN your DNA but it’s blocked.

 

SID:  Hm!

 

DAVID:  And when you ask Him to OPEN it, you can know things you never learned!  It’s AMAZING!  And suddenly I wake up, and I’m getting quantum physics, I’m getting um understanding of time travel, space travel.  I start picking up languages on this app, and I was learning Finnish, Russian, [SPEAKING RUSSIAN].  I was just picking up just Russian –

 

SID:  I thought you’d never say that!  No –

 

DAVID:  [LAUGHS]

 

SID:  I’m just teasing!  [LAUGHS]

 

DAVID:  A-and I was like, “WHOA!  My God!  THIS IS AMAAAZING!”  It – and – and it was like synching with my spirit, my mind, my body; everything was like going up another level!

 

SID:  Uh, uh okay.  Uh [CHUCKLES] Now th-this is fascinating, but he has heard prophetic words that are about ready to happen on planet Earth; I – I want to find out about that.  Uh, don’t you want something more?  [CHUCKLES]  We’ll be right back for “Something More”, and I’m going to tell you something.  I’ll also have David pray, and – a back was just healed.  That was a freebie.  [CHUCKLES]

 

DAVID:  [LAUGHS]

 

SID:  We’ll be back for –

 

[MUSIC]

 

SID:  “Something More”.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it is naturally supernatural. My guest was brain dead for 11 hours, went to Heaven, sent back with a message from Heaven. We have a Hebrew word, it’s called “bashert”, it means it’s meant to be. I tell you it is bashert that you be watching right now. My guest, I’ve just gotten to really know over the last day, he’s a retired pilot. You put it in a lot of hours flying. How many hours?

 

JIM: Just over 20,000.

 

SID: Just over 20,000. He’s not, he was not a believer in the Messiah. His wife was a believer. Is it fair to say that your god was things, T-H-I-N-G-S?

 

JIM: Yes, Sid, and I’m ashamed to admit it. I mean, I lived what I thought was the quintessential American-Canadian dream of a successful career, successful businesses. And yet I would wake up in the middle of the night and I’d have this yearning inside of me, and I foolishly interpreted that as meaning I needed a faster plane, a bigger car, a larger boat.

 

SID: But one day, again, he’s his own god, so to speak, he wakes up and something unusual, his arms and his legs are numb. He gets diagnosed with a disease, frankly I’ve never heard, is it Gillian Barre?

 

JIM: It’s Guillain Barre.

 

SID: I’m close. And if I understand this right, this is life-threatening and you could end up paralyzed. But actually if you don’t get treatment right away, which you did not, what did they tell you to expect?

 

JIM: Well it’s often fatal and Guillain Barre is the deterioration of the myelin sheath on your brainstem and it’s similar to if you strip the insulation from an electrical cord and all the signals from your brain become pain and interrupted. And I went from being a guy that flew jets and raced cars to someone completely dependent on nurses and my wife who is a nurse for my care.

 

SID: You told me that the pain was so bad that you had pain when you blinked your eyes.

 

JIM: I actually trained myself to blink one eye at a time.

 

SID: Because of the time.

 

JIM: Because every blink of my eye was pain, not just in my eyes, but through my whole body. My whole nervous system had been interrupted by this incredible debilitating disease.

 

SID: And all of a sudden, the pain gets so bad that you take a whole bottle of pain medicine. I mean, but didn’t you realize that could be fatal?

 

JIM: You know Sid, it was a gradual thing and yet to give me some semblance of normalcy, some ability to sleep two or three hours a night I began to take more of the medication than I should have. And I was trying to get up the energy to get into the truck and inspect the field that I was trying to sell, and I saw a vial of prescription medication. I should have known all I was consumed with stopping the pain. As I took the last of the medication that evening and I’m facing the setting sun, for some reason, I didn’t plan it that way, all of a sudden my feet began to burn as though they were in fire. My hands and fingertips started to burn and as that burning sensation made its way up my body in my arms toward my chest I knew that I had done something truly catastrophic. And it was then that I said the first three of the six words that I believe are responsible for me being here today along with the prayers of my family. And in that last instant in my consciousness I looked at the setting sun and I raised my hand, and I remember it was shaking violently. I cried out, “God, forgive me.” I cried out from a part of me that I didn’t even know existed, not out of fear. I faced death a couple of times as a pilot, never flinched, but I had this overwhelming sense in those last nanoseconds of my life that I had wasted this beautiful life that the Creator had given me, and I had never honored him for that life. And I was just trying to express my sorrow for not having led a better life.

 

SID: After that prayer, which is half of the prayer that got you back, what do you remember?

 

JIM: And suddenly I became aware that the horrific pain that I had endured for all those years since the onslaught of the Guillain Barre was gone. I felt more alive than I had ever felt before and the pain was gone. I felt so great. I slid out of the truck, I walked about 15 feet away and I’m feeling as though a heavy wet overcoat has been taken off from me, and all the pain has gone with it. And then I look back at the truck and there’s someone in my truck, and I’m absolutely enraged, who would dare get in my truck, and not only that, he’s sleeping on the steering wheel. The moment when I realized that the guy in the truck was me was truly earth shattering.

 

SID: The next thing that happened you’re flying but there’s no airplane.

 

JIM: Finally I’m saving on fuel. But I began to rise. I can look through the rear window of the truck and see my body slumped over the wheel and over the truck I can look down in the bed of the truck, Sid, and see my toolbox. And being a former pilot I’m a good judge of altitude, and I’m suddenly a hundred feet, 200 feet, I’m drifting slowly backwards and I’m rising. I’m rising, and I am terrified. I can look out over the countryside.

 

SID: I’ll tell you what, hold that thought. He finds himself in a very unusual place, almost a crossroads between Heaven and Hell. When we come back we’ll find out what he did about it. Hell was actually, he actually heard Hell and demons calling him by his name. Be right back.

SID:  Sid Roth here with “Something More”, and my guest, Cherie Calbom.  And uh, Cherie, last time you were on the show, you caused a sensation!

 

CHERIE:  Isn’t it amazing!

 

SID:  [LAUGHING]

 

SID:  Uh, do you remember the commercial we did –

 

CHERIE:  It’s so amazing, isn’t it?

 

SID:  with “Juice Lady in the”, “in the Box”?

 

VIDEO:  SID:  What a way to start this day!

 

SID:  And of course, she’s affectionately known as “The Juice Lady”. And for those that aren’t that familiar with her, um, I uh, sh- – uh, you had fibromyalgia, you had uh – uh, several uh – uh chronic fatigue syndrome; uh, there was no hope for you.  Uh, the doctors pretty much gave up, uh, but you did something that you directed to by God, that changed your life, in a short period of time.  Uh, tell me, your worst shape you were in, and what happened.

 

CHERIE:  I was in terrible shape; I had to quit work.  I uh felt like I had the flu all the time; swollen glands, headache. Body ached all over.  Could barely walk around the house; I couldn’t go for a walk outside.  And no hope from the doctors.  I prayed and prayed and prayed, and said, “Lord PLEASE show me what to do!  There’s got to be a way out of this”, and He directed me to juicing vegetables, and changing my diet.  When I started reading about a healthy diet, I realized I was way off-track.  I loved junk food and fast food, and I didn’t like vegetables.

 

SID:  [LAUGHS]

 

CHERIE:  So I did an about-face.

 

SID:  You sound like the typical American.  [LAUGHS]

 

CHERIE:  I do, don’t I!  [LAUGHS]  Just running to – through the fast-lane of life, and fast food; that was me.  So, I bought my first juicer.

 

VIDEO:  WOMAN:  [JUICING]

 

CHERIE:  Went on a 5-day juice fast.  On day #5, my body expelled a tumor the size of a golf ball, and that got my attention.  And I thought, “Maybe I’ll just turn the corner…

 

[VIDEO ENDS]

 

CHERIE:  and tomorrow I’ll be totally well;

 

SID:  Uh, b-but wait a second.

 

CHERIE:  I wasn’t.

 

SID:  I-I – I just don’t understand how things can happen in uh, you know, by just juicing so fast!  I would think it would take uh, several YEARS for something like that to happen.

 

CHERIE:  [CHUCKLES] It – you know, it is so amazing.  Uh, having now worked as a nutritionist with people for many years, I have seen AMAZING things happen in a short time.  For some people it does take a while for things to turn around.  It depends on how sick people, how old they are, how toxic [CHUCKLES] they are, and so forth.  But I was young, and for me, my body responded very very quickly.

 

SID:  Um hm.

 

CHERIE:  And this was the path that God showed me that I could take for healing.  Because now what I know as a nutritionist, and with all my science background, if you give people the right materials to heal, they body will heal!  It will DO what God designed it to do.

 

SID:  But h-how long did it take you to get better?

 

CHERIE:  Well after that juice fast, it took me about 3 months.  And I kept juicing, I ate whole foods – organic foods – mostly vegetables.  I went vegan for the summer; I’m not vegan now.  But I just uh, did that program, and in 3 months, I woke up one morning and thought, “Wow!  Somebody gave me a new body in the middle of the night!”  I mean I felt like jogging,…

 

SID:  Uh –

 

CHERIE:  and I did!

 

SID:  Oh okay.

 

CHERIE:  And I hadn’t even been able to walk the rest of the block!

 

SID:  Y-y-you begged – y-you’re begging a question:  Uh, why do I have to fool around with juicing?  Why don’t I just have 5 fruits and 5 vegetables?  Uh, l-like someone said once, a-and, that’s done!  Why – why don’t you just do that?

 

CHERIE:  Yes.

 

SID:  Why?  Is the juicing better, or is that equivalent?

 

CHERIE:  Juicing is superior in many ways, because there – there are several things.  It’s broken down so well,

 

CHERIE:  your body can absorb it very very quickly.  It goes RIGHT into your system, because it doesn’t have the fiber to stop or, you know, slow it down with digestion.

 

SID:  Um hm.

 

CHERIE:  Fiber is good; don’t get me wrong.  And we want to eat a high fiber diet, but juicing…

 

CHERIE:  is just fabulous for getting right into your system.  When people are ill, digestion often is off.  They don’t digest food well; they don’t even digest their fruits and vegetables well.  And so this gets it RIGHT into your system.  It’s like a pre-digested food, and you’ve got all those antioxidants, bio photons, vitamins, minerals, enzymes, going RIGHT into your body, RIGHT into your cells, bringing that healing LIFE!  And this is live food.  And we are told in the Scripture, “choose life”!  “I have set [you] before you [today] life and death … choose life”; and this is choosing life.  And then two, number two, we don’t eat enough fruits and vegetables.  Science has proven that – all over the world – where we should have 7 to 9, maybe 13 servings; it depends on the research and the surveys you see, and which universities, but we don’t do it.  This is the way to get a maximum amount easily.

 

SID:  Uh –

 

CHERIE:  So I take a big bowl and juice it up, and I think –

 

SID:  [CHUCKLES]

 

CHERIE:  I could never chew up [CHUCKLES] all that in the morning…

 

SID:  Uh, I probably could chew it all…

 

CHERIE:  you know!

 

SID:  but my refrigerator would be filled with that stuff.  Anyway uh…

 

CHERIE:  [LAUGHS]

 

SID:  uh you talk about “marrying the natural and the supernatural”.  What do you mean by that?

 

CHERIE:  Partnership with God!  That’s how I see it.  We do our part; He has DONE His part.  He continues to do His part all the time.  The Lord has been showing me more and more how we do that,…

 

CHERIE:  in that we stand on His Word.  And recently, I’ve just been seeing that more and more; how we apply it – His Word – to our hearts, like a poultice on your chest.  You know the old-fashioned poultices.

 

SID:  Right.

 

CHERIE:  My grandmother used [CHUCKLES] one all the time when anybody got sick.  And I SAW IT the other day in the spirit; apply that Scripture to your heart, just like a poultice!  Lay it on there:  “By His stripes [you] are healed.”  “He sent His word, and healed them.”  Just go over all the Scriptures you can find.  Get on the Internet; pull ’em off, print ’em out.  Apply them to your heart; strengthen your spirit.  But then…

 

SID:  Okay.  But if we …

 

CHERIE:   don’t stop there.

 

SID:  w-wait a second Cherie.  If we …

 

CHERIE:  [CHUCKLES]

 

SID:  if we have, uh the – the powerful Word, which you agree and I agree, uh, why even fool around with nutrition?

 

CHERIE:  Oh, you know, in here …

 

SID:  [CHUCKLES]

 

CHERIE:  I’m so glad you asked that because people say that.  “Can I just go and get a miracle?”

 

SID:  Yeah!

 

CHERIE:  You know what?  If – if our diet has created our dis-ease in any way in our bodies, God can heal us.  He can do an “override”, I call it – heal us miraculously – but we’re going to continue on …

 

CHERIE:  eating our bad diet – our fast food, our junk food, our things in packages and boxes – devoid of nutrients.  We’re going to get sick again!  But so often, we need to partner …

 

CHERIE:  with the Holy Spirit.  We need to partner with the Father, with Jesus.  We need to do our part, and to eat the real, live, whole foods that He gave us, that He put on this Earth for our health and healing.  The Scripture says He gave us every herb, He gave us these plants; they are for our healing.  And He did not give us bon-bons; He did not give us chips and dips; He did not …

 

SID:  [LAUGHS]

 

CHERIE:  give us fast food and burgers and french fries.

 

SID:  I haven’t read any of that in the Bible.

 

CHERIE:  Those are man-made.

 

SID:    [LAUGHS]

 

CHERIE:  [LAUGHS]

 

SID:  U-uh, Ch…

 

CHERIE:  It’s not there, right!  [CHUCKLES]

 

SID:  Cherie, tell me, uh, you did it the last time you were on the air, but I feel it’s so important.  Tell me about the VISION you had from God about the battlefield.

 

CHERIE:  I saw so clearly, years ago, when I was in a – a prayer meeting for healing, …

 

CHERIE:  that I just LEFT that room in the spirit, and saw God’s soldiers.  He gave me a vision of His people – His army – and so many of them lying on the battlefield, where their armor is skewed; their swords and their shields laying at their side.  And they were in pain, and there were labels written across their bodies, like “cancer”, “diabetes”, “heart disease”, “fibromyalgia”, “M.S.”, “lupus”, “scleroderma”, “rheumatoid arthritis”; on and on and on it went.  And I saw these soldiers not only in their own pain, but the demonic forces really beating them up, punching and kicking them, because they were down, because they couldn’t stand.  And the Lord said, “Cherie, I want you to go back to school,” …

 

CHERIE:  get a graduate degree in nutrition, and I want you to teach My people, because they are perishing ‘for lack of knowledge’.”  And isn’t it true, on every level; Satan has tried to pervert what God has given us, and he’s perverted our food, and – on top of everything else.  And I was seeing that day, what is the quickest way to destroy an army if you could do it?  Poison them!  They would all just drop over!  You wouldn’t even have to do much of a fight if you poison the entire army with their water …

 

SID:  Hmm.

 

CHERIE:  their drinks, their food.  Well that is what the enemy is doing to us with all of this adulterated food, manmade stuff – things in boxes and bags – and – and fast food and junk food, and cans and sodas, and on and on it goes.  We’ve got poison everywhere we turn in our food supply, and God is saying, “Come out from among them,” My people, “and be … separate”.  Choose a holy – “whole” – “holy” means “whole”, body soul and spirit.  Choose a holy way of life.  Choose a holy way of eating.  Be my disciplined people, and choose the REAL food; whole food, that God gave us.

 

SID:  Now – now you mentioned something that uh, is going to uh, upset a few people.  I know in my control room it’s going to upset them.  Uh, what happens from too much diet soda?

 

CHERIE:  Diet soda is a scary thing.  And I have been doing research on that more and more all the time.  Uh, i-it’s – it’s uh waste with a diet sweetener…

 

CHERIE:  and usually it’s aspartame – we know it as NutraSweet.  And uh, the CDC did studies and, just have tracked.  Uh, they don’t really promote this, but they’ve just tracked it, and you can find it if you do you research:  That brain tumors increased HUGELY.  The bar graph went WAY up uh, a couple of years after diet sodas came on the market.  But there’s all sorts of new research showing that when you drink diet sodas, also you – i-it affects your metabolism, and you crave um more sweets and more refined carbs.  So you go for more things like pats- – pasta and pizza…

 

SID:  So – so could you say …

 

CHERIE:  hamburgers.

 

SID:  diet soda – could you say, Cherie, that diet soda makes you fatter, because of that?  [CHUCKLES]

 

CHERIE:  It [CHUCKLES] makes you better?

 

SID:  Fatter.

 

CHERIE:  [LAUGHS] It makes you worse!

 

SID:  F-A-T-T-E-R!  [LAUGHS]

 

CHERIE:  [CHUCKLES] Fatter!  Oh “Fatter”!  Yes, it does!  And [CHUCKLES] yes!  And they’ve proven that, in scientific studies, that it contributes to obesity, to weight gain.  And even if you’re not obese, that it contributes to fat being deposited around the mid-section, which is the worst place to gain weight.  It creates a …

 

SID:  Uh, w-w-what a …

 

CHERIE: it increases your “sweet tooth”.

 

SID:  w-what about regular soda?  Is that bad for us?

 

CHERIE:  That is really bad too.

 

SID:  [LAUGHS]  Oh wait a second!  [LAUGHS]

 

CHERIE:  Uh, they’re [CHUCKLES] both at the top!  [CHUCKLES]

 

SID:  Okay, well – why – why is it – why bad?  Tell me.  [CHUCKLES]

 

CHERIE:  It – it’s got a huge amount of sugar.  Um …

 

SID:  What’s wrong with sugar?

 

CHERIE:  many key foods; up to 11 key foods …

 

SID:  What – wh-wh-what – what’s wrong with sugar?

 

CHERIE:  Sugar is an inflammation and anti – it’s an inflammatory – excuse me – VERY inflammatory substance, …

 

CHERIE:  and that is what my new book, “The Anti-Inflammation Diet” is all about.  Inflammation is at the root of every disease there is.  And sugar is one of the #1 things …

 

CHERIE:  that contributes to inflammation in the body, which contributes to EVERYTHING, like heart disease, and cancer, and diabetes, and M.S., and scleroderma, and lupus, and on and on; R.A. – rheumatoid arthritis, you can name it all.  It – inflammation is at the base, and sugar is one of the top inflammatory substances.  I say to everyone, “Get that sugar out of your diet!”  But soda’s also got chemicals, and dyes, and all of that stuff.  And there’s a new study out showing that junk food, with all of that stuff in it, is the #1 contributor of inflammation.  So at the top of everybody’s list in science right now, sodas are coming in; right up at the top, both diet soda and regular soda, and it is subtly, day-by-day, destroying our health.  Young people think they can get away with it, because you know that when you’re young you think you’ll live forever, right?

 

SID:  [CHUCKLES] Of course!  [CHUCKLES]

 

CHERIE:  And you think you’re always going to be healthy.  And BOOM, one day, it all catches up with you, and your body says, “I’ve had enough of this” [CHUCKLES] you know, and it’s getting really sick.

 

SID:  Now you made a statement, a-and it’s worth me repeating:  You said inflammation is at the root of nearly every disease!  So it …

 

CHERIE:  Um hm.

 

SID:  therefore, um my logical mind says if we could get rid of the foods that cause inflammation, and eat the foods that uh work in a positive way, you get rid of the roots of most diseases, and then people won’t have to pray to be healed!  You know what it reminds me of Cherie?  Uh, there might be uh a 400-pound man that comes up to me for me to lay hands on him, to heal his back; and I KNOW God will heal his back.  But I also know in 30 days, he’ll be BACK to have his heal – back healed!  [CHUCKLES]

 

CHERIE:  Yes!

 

SID:  Be…

 

CHERIE:  That is absolutely right!  And it’s going on all the time!  My father was a healing evangelist; I grew up in this kind of ministry.  And seeing people – even as a little tiny kid – seeing people coming back over and over and over again, and that’s because we’re doing the things that make our body sick; and so they can’t stay well, because we’re pouring into them the things that contribute to inflammation; and  inflammation is causing disease.

 

SID:  Uh Cherie, are many – are many uh – uh people in the world have – do they have inflammation, or is this is a small percentage of people?

 

CHERIE:  It’s huge, and it’s worldwide.  We’ve exported our bad foods all over the world.

 

SID:  Umh.

 

CHERIE:  You can go just about [CHUCKLES] anywhere except maybe some little remote areas, and you’ll find “golden arches”, you’ll [CHUCKLES] find fast food restaurants, you’ll find pop – soda pop – everywhere.  You’ll find it all over, so we’ve exported our bad poisonous foods all over the world,

 

SID:  Yeah I …

 

CHERIE:  and we have sick people all over the world, with inflammation.

 

SID:  Y-you know what I’m thinking?  Just like that vision that you had of the – of the battlefield; we are praying for God to heal us, and then destroying our body right after He heals us, or even before He heals us!

 

CHERIE:  Um hm.

 

SID:  We’re – we’re like uh – uh shooting yourself in the foot!  Uh now, when – we have your 4 books.

 

SID:  One is brand-new:  “Anti-Inflammation Diet -“, and the “28 Days to Restore Your Body and Feel Great”!  Can – now that sounds like a short period of time, uh Cherie;

 

SID:  “28 days to restore your body and feel great”?  You talk about losing weight, increasing energy, look and feel younger in 28 days!  Is this REALLY working with people now?

 

CHERIE:  It is really working for sure, and I’ve proven it over and over again.  As a nutritionist, and with all the people that I’ve helped in counseling and different programs, I’ve seen it over and over again.  And as I’ve talked with various holistic doctors, they have told me that is about the right amount of time for things to really start turning around.  30 days is the amount of time, so we’re almost there with our 28-day program; 4 weeks.  And 30 days is the amount of time it takes for your cells to begin to really turn over, and for your body to really begin to change.  And so I always say to people, “Don’t give up.”  You know, we do something a week or two; we’re such an instant society, we want things immediately.  But I say, “Don’t give up; give it 30 days, and you should see some positive changes in your body”.

 

SID:  Okay.  Y-you tie-in that 28- – or the – as you say, “the marriage” between the supernatural …

 

CHERIE:  [CHUCKLES]

 

SID:  and the natural.  Uh, you tie it in with uh, you made exclusively for our – our uh “Mishpocah”, that’s a Hebrew word that means “family” – uh, “The 28-Day Journey to Wholeness” devotional.  Uh, tell me about that.

 

CHERIE:  Yes.  I’m so excited about the devotional, because it goes with your 28-day food program.

 

SID:  Right.

 

CHERIE:  And what I’ve seen with SO many people I’ve worked with:  Your spirit needs to be strengthened.  So many people feel beaten down, and discouraged, and hopeless, and like nothing is ever going to change for them.  They’re not going to have the energy and the vibrant health that they long for and they’ve prayed for, and so I realized that day-by-day you need the Word of God.  And I have in the devotional not only a teaching each day – a short teaching, and it’s all around the spiritual – the biblical – the Scriptures; but also a declaration, because I feel that each day – with our mouth – we need to speak the word, “I declare today”, and I have something for people to declare every single day, and a prayer to close with.  And I realized that people need their spirit built-up so that they have the will power!

 

SID:  The – a-and you have the res – y-you have the recipes, and it’s not just juicing; it’s regular food and juicing.

 

CHERIE:  Yes!

 

SID:  Uh, but uh, you have 2 more books, and uh, a couple of them REALLY intrigue – well ALL of them intrigue me – but uh …

 

SID:  “Remedies for Stress and Adrenal Fatigue”, “Remedies for Asthma and Allergies”.  Uh, it’s the most amazing thing!  God gave us a body; He did not want us to have lack of energy, …

 

SID:  He didn’t want us to have pain, He didn’t want us to have heart disease, He didn’t want us to have diabetes.  Uh, H-He wanted to l- – us to live life to the fullest!  And uh, I – I find, of reading your notes Cherie, that many people that get ahold of your books uh, they’ve been praying and even fasting, “God, help me!”, and God has directed them.  So we’re making these 4 great books available for an investment of $49.  Speaking of investment, I just got back from Israel, and I spoke before a group of bishops a-at their meeting.  And there was a bishop there …

 

SID:  from Outer Mongolia.  I’d – I’d heard of Outer Mongolia.  Cherie, I didn’t know where it was!

 

CHERIE:  [CHUCKLES]

 

SID:  And according to my map, I see it’s north of Tibet, China, but I didn’t realize it.  This guy was in an auto accident, …

 

SID:  and his back was broke 5 places.  And he …

 

CHERIE:  Mmm!

 

SID:  was in constant pain for 14 years.  Uh, the – the prognosis was he’d end up in a wheelchair; uh, and one minute with God was all that was necessary.  Uh, he turns on our TV show, and this is the thing that’s so exciting to me!  Our TV show is in OUTER MONGOLIA and I don’t even know where it is!  Uh, a-and so he tunes in our television show, and then I have a word of knowledge; he’s sovereignly healed, he’s been h- – free for over a year, pain-free; he’s in full-time ministry!  And I – uh, that’s why I say, by making an investment of $49, any profits uh [CHUCKLES] and – and looks what’s going to happen to you; but any profits are POURED into ministry to people, in EVEN Outer Mongolia!  Uh, when we come back, I want to learn more about this insidious thing, uh, that is called, “inflammation”.  Most people don’t even know what the word means!  I’ll be right back.

MICHAEL BROWN: What we know in Scripture that we can see as things happen in Israel, they’re happening in America or there’s a template when God brings judgment.

 

JONATHAN CAHN: Yes.

MICHAEL BROWN: You were saying that studying Scripture, studying the ancient historical books of Israel you discovered that part of these parallels are striking and could it even lay things out in advance if we’re looking at it, and this is what’s coming next. So we know our history. We know the problems we’ve had with our administrations. And now we see someone emerging, someone unexpected, and in the paradigm you talk about the warrior. Who’s the warrior?

 

JONATHAN CAHN: So you have the House of Ahab. If he stays in power it’s going to seal the apostasy. So God, something happens. It’s going to be a showdown. Someone rises up in the book, in “The Paradigm,” it’s called, he’s called the warrior.

 

MICHAEL BROWN: But he’s not just like a kind of quiet.

 

JONATHAN CAHN: No, no, not quiet at all. No, not quiet at all by any stretch of the imagination.

 

MICHAEL BROWN: Peacemaker.

 

JONATHAN CAHN: No, no. He’s a warrior. He’s not even a politician.

 

MICHAEL BROWN: In the paradigm.

 

JONATHAN CAHN: In the paradigm. He’s a warrior. He’s a fighter. He fights with everybody, okay, in the paradigm. He’s name is Jehu.

 

MICHAEL BROWN: Zealous, very zealous.

 

JONATHAN CAHN: He’s zealous.

 

MICHAEL BROWN: He’s got some rough edges.

 

JONATHAN CAHN: He is not gentle at all. He is coarse. He’s a fighter. He’s fighting everybody and he begins this race to the throne. Read the, he actually begins a race to the throne, and the Bible describes the race as, the word is “crazy”. They said he was crazy. He drives crazy. The man drives furiously. It’s crazy. But he gets to the throne. Even though it’s a crazy race, he gets to the throne.

 

MICHAEL BROWN: And he has a certain zeal for the things.

 

JONATHAN CAHN: Yes. The zeal is a crazy zeal, but he’s used by God, and he’s the most unlikely person. The commoners can’t even agree if he’s saved or not, but he’s being used of God. And so what happens, I’ll just, we can only touch on some things, but he ends up in a show to show, a showdown against the former queen. So you have the former queen, and you have Hillary Clinton, you have the warrior, you have Donald Trump. Okay. And so now here’s the thing, Michael. I said if you knew the paradigm before these things, I knew the paradigm. I didn’t even know. If we knew it you could have actually foretold all this. All the polls were saying Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton. The paradigm was saying no.

MICHAEL BROWN: And there are prophetic words about Donald Trump being like a Divine wrecking ball, as you call him, God’s chaos candidate. But that’s like Jehu.

 

JONATHAN CAHN: That’s Jehu. That’s exactly Jehu. Everything, Michael. So the things the paradigm was saying, no, when the warrior meets the former queen, the warrior will defeat the former queen and it will be a downfall, and that’s exactly what happens. There is so much, there are details to this, too. So he wins. He now heads to the capitol city. Jehu heads to the capitol city. Now why does he head to the capitol city? To drain the swamp. Absolutely. Absolutely. This is not political here. The thing is that Jehu specifically is ending Baal worship, which is what, the offering up of children. So even Trump puts as his agenda we want to dismantle this, which leads to the next thing. And that is that when he goes there he actually destroys the temple of Baal in the capitol city. Now the temple of Baal was built by Ahab. And so what, he starts dismantling the system of killing children. Well that has been, one of the first things Trump did was sign the executive orders to start, to try to dismantle it. But interesting, now beyond this, could there be another sign? Well the thing is that when Jehu rises, when he goes to the capitol, the temple of Baal falls. So here’s the paradigm. When the warrior rises the temple of Baal falls. Could there actually be a temple of Baal in the world? Well there is. There was a temple of Baal that stood for 2000 years in the Middle East. It survived everything. But when Trump rose, the temple of Baal in the Middle East fell, was destroyed. It was destroyed. And it happened in 2015. You can check it out. Happened in the summer. Just after Trump announces, his rise, it falls. Even that. And here’s another thing, Michael. I said all the parameters are there. Well let’s take the days, in the book, there’s something called the Days of the Queen. So how long does Jezebel, how long is Hillary Clinton? She was the First Lady of Arkansas to the First Lady of America. Her rise with her husband was 22 years. Then how long does she go on? She goes on for 12 years. She’s Senator and she’s Secretary of State. Then she retires from public life for two years, if you read, then she comes back for two years to campaign for the presidency. Well that comes out to 14 years. So you have 22 years, you have 14 years. Look up at Jezebel and put it together. Jezebel was with her husband reigning for 22 years. She went on for how long, 14 years, the exact same thing. The exact same.

 

MICHAEL BROWN: All right. So what is coming next and as you understand this paradigm, do we have hope for the future?

 

JONATHAN CAHN: Okay. First of all, yes, in the paradigm there’s something called about the days to come. Actually, the paradigm actually converges with the harbinger because it’s the same setting. The first thing, what’s happened is now this is a window. According to the paradigm, this is a window like a reprieve where we have a chance for revival. We have a chance. You know, it just depends what we do with it. But there’s a whole thing about the future in there. We have one minute to go so I’m just going to say this. So yes, we are at a dangerous period. There is a warning in the paradigm, actually what Jehu does or doesn’t do, but there is also a chance. There is something in the paradigm called the Elijah paradigm and that is, it actually contains the keys for believers right now. What are we to do? How are we to live? How are we to overcome? How can there be revival? That’s in the Elijah paradigm because Elijah is in this, too, and that’s the final part. So there is hope. As long as there’s God, there’s hope, but it’s, the thing is that we’ve got to be like Elijah. The days of easy Christianity are over. We have to be radical. We have to be bold. We have to be on fire. We have to stand up for the truth and God will use it. God will anoint the Elijahs of the day.

 

MICHAEL BROWN: All right Jonathan, I need you to pray right now for the rising of that Elijah spirit among the people of God.

 

JONATHAN CAHN: Okay. Lord, we just ask your hand on this nation, Father. We thank you that you’re never finished. We thank you, Lord that you have promised revival if we will come before you. Father, we ask for the spirit of Elijah to come upon this nation, come upon the church, come upon the one listening. Lord, take away the spirit of timidity and, Lord, give a spirit of boldness, of confidence, of Elijah, Lord. Help us to be, Lord, these are the days of Elijah. Help us to be the Elijahs of the day. Help us to rise up and, Lord, we pray let there be revival in the land. Let there be revival in Washington, revival in the coast land, revival in the cities. Let there be revival, Lord. Come soon and have your way. We praise you in the name of the Yeshua Hamashiach, Jesus the Messiah, the Lord of all. Amen.

 

MICHAEL BROWN: Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Friends, here’s the bottom line. These are urgent times, but there is hope. God, start the revival with you and with me. It’s time.