SID: Hello. Sid Roth here and I’m with Walid Shoebat. And he told me things that I’ve never heard before, such as, tell me the correlation between Allah and the crescent moon.

WALID: When most westerners read in Isaiah 14, where it talks about Lucifer, look at the English translation: Lucifer. I go to the Hebrew. The Hebrew says [Hebrew], “How art fallen from Heaven.” [Hebrew]. “Hillel” is the word for brightness and it’s also the Aramaic, Hebraic, Arabic word for “crescent moon”. So you read it in context. “How art that fallen from Heaven, o crescent moon, sun of the morning star.” So there’s the crescent, there’s the star, there’s the symbol of Islam itself as in the name of Lucifer. Let’s not forget in Isaiah 14 it continues to say, “When he’s captured,” this Lucifer, this Hillel Ben Zohar, he’s judged. People will look at him and say, “Is this the man that made the earth tremble?” They say this is the rebelliousness of Lucifer in Heaven. When did Lucifer become a man? The anti-Messiah, the Antichrist, no question.

SID: Okay. What about Allah? What are the various names for Allah? What is he called in the Koran?

WALID: He’s called many names.

SID: Tell me a few of the names that we’re interested in right now.

WALID: The interesting names of Allah is [Arabic] [Arabic] in the Arabic. In the English it means “the greatest of all deceivers.”

SID: Really?

WALID: Absolutely. In fact, there are prayers in Islam of having Allah give you the gift of cunningness. So some of the names in Allah in the Koran is also [Arabic], “the most proud one”. So this is what I’m trying to say.

SID: So who’s going to be the Antichrist?

WALID: You mean his name?

SID: His name or where will he be from?

WALID: Everyone who tried to figure out his name was wrong.

SID: For sure.

WALID: I think I know which country he comes from.

SID: Which country?

WALID: He comes from the country of Turkey, no question.

SID: That begs the question, we are taught that the Antichrist is going to rule the world. You say different.

WALID: No. He can’t rule the world. Because if you look at several places in the Bible he fights against other nations. In Daniel 11, Daniel 11 gives us the best description of the Antichrist. He declares war on the what? The strongest of all fortresses. Well the strongest fortresses or the strongest military minds in the world is not the Antichrist, it’s someone else. In fact most Westerners hardly if ever study how the Antichrist falls. When you ask a typical western Christian, how does the Antichrist get destroyed? Well Jesus breathes on him and that’s it.

SID: Why?

WALID: Well there’s more to it than that. That’s the command by the way of battle that the Messiah orders. But the destruction of the Antichrist is in Ezekiel 28. He’s number one there, the Prince of Lebanon, the prince of fire. His destruction, in Verses 8, 9, you can continue on, it says, that “God will raise nations and those nations are the most terrible of the nations militarily, and they will destroy him, and they will throw him into the pit.” In Micah 5, God raises seven shepherds and eight principal men to fight against—

SID: Who are these seven shepherds and eight principal men?

WALID: Well no one knows them yet. But they are definitely mentioned in the Bible. Let’s not forget, even the Antichrist has basically seven horns, 10, three plucked out of the root. What remains? Seven. So you have seven good leaders versus seven evil ones. Seven will stand with God. Seven will be against God. So in this essence, Micah, Chapter 5 is a mystery to people today. But it is seven nations that God will raise. They will rule the most powerful nations militarily, in the world. Let me maybe suggest, how about America, while many people think America is doomed.

SID: Is America going to survive?

WALID: I believe so. It’s such an edifying message when I hear America is doomed, America is finished. We’ve been through a depression before. We’ve been through all kinds of things before.

SID: Just briefly, because I want to know the answers to these. Is oil mentioned in the Bible?

WALID: Absolutely. How can anyone deny Isaiah, Chapter 34, in which God destroys Edom Let’s not forget.

SID: What is Edom?

WALID: Ezekiel 25.

SID: Edom is what, what country?

WALID: Arabia. Absolutely. Because Ezekiel 25 tells us, Edom is from Teman to Dedan.  These are biblical cities that are in Arabia. And then in Isaiah 34, it says about this place in Arabia, it becomes, “what a burning pitch. It will burn forever and ever.” I mean, Arabia will burn literally. It will be destroyed. Even the Bible tells us what nation destroys Arabia.

SID: What nation?

WALID: Iran.

SID: Wow.

WALID: Yes.

SID: This is making sense now.

WALID: Yeah. In Isaiah 21, Isaiah 21, you look at the reference. “Babylon has fallen, has fallen.” That should ring a bell. That’s the same reference in Revelation 14, Revelation 18, regarding the mystery of Babylon. Who destroys it? “Arise O Elam.”

SID: What’s going to happen to Iran?

WALID: Iran will eventually be destroyed.

SID: What’s going to happen to Egypt?

WALID: Egypt, the Messiah is going to come down and fight for the believers in Egypt. There will be persecution of the believers in Egypt, Christians.

SID: They already have persecution in Egypt.

WALID: No. I am talking about major persecution. I am talking about persecution like you had with the Jewish people in Auschwitz. I’m talking about major massacres in Egypt. I’m talking about crucifixion, amputations. In fact, how many Americans are aware, one of the bills they’re trying to pass in Egypt in the parliament is what is called [Arabic]. Look it up. Look up my name and look up what I talk about it. The idea of passing laws on crucifixion and amputating of the right hand and the left foot.

SID: You know what the most important thing is? I believe that you’re going to hear revelation about End Times that you have never, ever even thought about. It’s never even been addressed. But what is important than what the order of events will be is, where are you going and whether you have intimacy with God right now. And the way you have intimacy with God is if someone was to die for your sins. Jesus already did. Believe the blood of Jesus washes away your sins, and with your mouth say, Jesus you are my Lord.

Sid:  This week I’m talking with Craig Hill and Craig is Founder of “Family Foundations International” from Littleton, Colorado.  And I had the privilege of speaking for several meetings that Craig has had. I found out about his series that he’s a God ordained teacher; anything he teaches is wonderful.  But there is such a need coming in the world; in the financial arena.  Why?  Scriptures says, “Yet once more I’m going to shake this earth and those that are not on a firm foundation they’re going to fall.”  Well, when this shaking occurs there’s going to be a transfer of wealth, and this wealth is to fund the greatest move of God’s Spirit in history. I want you involved, better than me you want yourself involved.  Better than you, God wants you involved; Craig tell us a bit about this transfer of wealth.

Craig:  You know I got a revelation a couple of years ago Sid from a very simple scripture in Mathew 5:5 what we call the Beatitudes.  And here Yeshua said, “Blessed at the meek for they shall inherit the land.”  And I began thinking about that what would that mean and I looked up the word meek in my Vines Bible dictionary, and a couple of other sources and I found a very interesting definition.  Meekness was defined this way it’s not weakness, but it’s power or strength but it said, “Having great power or resource and using a percentage of it.”  So in other words a meek person is a person that doesn’t run their life all the way to the margins of the page, or in finances meekness would be not using 100% of available resource.

Sid:  Rather than what most people today use 120% or 150% of what is available.

Craig:  What you just defined is the opposite of meekness, right?

Sid:  Correct.

Craig:  So if meekness is living on 60, 70, 80% of your income and the opposite of meekness would be living on 140, 150, 180% of your income we call that debt.

Sid:  I know, actually listening to your description I could call it pride and arrogance.

Craig:  Well, that would be true, and the interesting thing is the opposite of that then if we just look at the scripture, “Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the land.”  Well, what would be the opposite then, what about the indebted who are the opposite of the meek?  Well, two things would be true, they would apparently not be blessed and if the meek will inherit the land then the indebted will lose the land.  And you know when I looked up that often times we say, “For they shall inherit the earth.”  It’s actually the world “land.” I began thinking back to things that I heard people say who went through the great depression in the 30’s in the United States here and people would say “You know my grandfather lost his farm or my uncle lost his house or my friend’s uncle lost his business.”  And I thought and “What do you mean lose?”  It wasn’t like they came home one day and they couldn’t find it; it wasn’t that it was gone, what they lost was possession of it.  So if a person in the 30’s lost the possession of a farm that means a person on the other end of the equation gained possession of a farm.  So I began thinking, who lost land, houses, businesses, farms in the depression of the 30’s?  And the answer is it was people that were indebted.  The reason that they lost that property was they couldn’t pay for it; couldn’t make the payments and who got it?  The interesting thing is usually the bank repossessed it held an auction and sold it to somebody who had a little bit of extra cash.  And often times those properties were purchased for 10, 20, 30 cents on a dollar.

Sid:  You know at times like that you hear the expression cash is king.

Craig:  Exactly. I suddenly got a revelation from the scripture that you know often times we think “Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth.”  And we think that something in the sweet by and by in the future in heaven somewhere and I suddenly realized “No, this actually happened in 1930’s“.  What happened the meek people, those that had some extra cash, those people were able to purchase for 10, 20, 30 cents on a dollar property, land, houses, businesses, farms, and they purchased them from the people who were indebted.

Sid:  Why is it when we get raises we seem to be spending everything that’s in our raise in just a short while yet we got a long just fine spending what we had and living just fine before that raise.  What would happen if someone was to bank, or invest their raise rather than squander it.

Craig:  Well, that’s exactly right and we live unfortunately in a culture of debt where everybody around us is doing that.  And I suddenly realized back in the 30’s the meek did inherit the land, and the indebted or non-meek lost it.  And I saw a principal; whenever economics and political shaking comes to a nation there will be a transfer of wealth, and scripture tells us there will be.  And but that transfer will go from the indebted to the meek and I think the reason the Spirit of God has been telling us probably in the body of Messiah for over ten years get out of debt is because we need to be the meek so that when the shaking comes we’re the people that are in a position to be able to help others.  To be able to purchase things that indebted people are losing possession of.  We need to not be the people that are ourselves are in trouble and losing possession of those things.

Sid:  Would you speculate, a sanctified speculation, as to when the shaking might come.

Craig:  I think it’s already started, we just read the newspapers and we see all kinds of problems with mortgages, all kinds of problems with banks and people that have incredible amounts of debt that they can’t pay and it’s already starting to unravel.  We’re already starting to see the housing market decline in many cities in the United States and I think we’ll see a lot more of it in 2008 and probably 2009.  So I think now would be a great time for people really to take some serious steps at eliminating debt in their own lives.

Sid:  You have a saying and I love it; most people say “They’re working to make a living,” but they should be saying “Their working to make a giving.”  Comment on that.

Craig:  Well, I think that’s a paradigm shift where we need to first of all understand; what is my purpose on the earth? Because really when you look at finances coming to a person, finances are provision and there are two words, two parts to that word.  Pro and vision; pro means for and vision; so pro-vision comes to me for the vision.  So if I don’t have a vision, the Bible also says I will perish, but if I don’t have a vision why do I need pro-vision?  So if my vision is to fund the kingdom, my vision is to be an obedient steward to what God is wanting to do on the earth then that changes everything for me.  Instead of me working for money, I’m working to accomplish kingdom purpose. So now my purpose in spending time and energy is not just to make a living. Because I have in my heart a revelation that that comes to me supernaturally by God because I’m His son or I’m like one of the birds how we talked about sparrow faith, having at least as much faith as the birds.  So now my purpose in generating income is so that I can give into the Kingdom of God; so that I can invest and accomplish Kingdom purpose not just accomplish or accumulate something for myself.

Sid:  Help me out; I don’t want to be judgmental because the Bible talks about not being judgmental but as I said to you before I went on the air I’m really troubled that the same people are on all the different Christian telethons using the same methods to raise money and it seems as though the middle word of everything that’s being done is greed.  What am I going to get out it even though it’s not said that’s the implication.

Craig:  I think what actually happens if the truth were known the way that you sell anything is identify a need and then propose a solution to meet the need.  So if you tap into the huge need that people have in the United States, Christians and many people that need is “I don’t have enough money, I’m strapped, I’m in trouble financially.  I have a lot of debt and then if you propose the solution “We’re going to use God and His principals to fix that.”  Then what’s really end up doing is again making God a means to an end.  We’re going to use God to fix your problem. I think really the paradigm shift that needs to occur is “I’m not here to use God to do anything.”  This whole show on planet earth is His; I’m here to serve Him for Him to use me; not for me to use Him to accomplish my goals; but for Him to use me to accomplish His goals.  And I think when that paradigm shift occurs that’s life changing for people.  So when we hear those kind of things coming out of the television I think really bottom line it’s a marketing strategy that’s probably developed and works pretty well if you can tap into that need.  But I think as you said, “We’re not to judge what others are doing what we need to do is just make sure in our own hearts that our purpose is not to use God to accomplish our purpose but that our goal is to find out His purpose for our life and make ourselves available to Him to accomplish His vision.”  And I found that pro-vision follows vision.

Sid:  Craig, why did you want me to make available to our listeners your book “Wealth, Riches and Money,” subtitled “God’s Biblical Principals to Finance,” and your CD “Sparrow Faith.”

Craig:  I think Sid what people will gain from that is an understanding of finding what God’s vision for them is and actually making that paradyne shift from instead of trying to use God to accomplish my goals, finding out what His purpose is for me.  And as I plug into the vision God has for me pro-vision is a natural byproduct for that and that eliminates so much stress, fear, worry that people have over finances.

Sid:  And Craig there’s so many testimonies of people whose lives have been changed by getting a hold of this teaching, but the thing that I love is part of the teaching is relying on the supernatural, not just formulas, but the supernatural. It seems as though God has supernaturally given an explosion of wisdom to people when they sit under your seminars or read your books.

Craig:  I think that what you said is true that God never intended for us to live as natural people, He always intended for us to live as supernatural.

Sid:  We want everyone everywhere to be out of debt, we want everywhere walking in supernatural gifting to acquire wealth for the precise purpose of being involved in the greatest wealth exchange in history because we’re at the end of the end.  As the rabbis say in Israel, We are in the footsteps of Messiah.”  We can hear the Messiah ready to return to earth; they wouldn’t say return but they just don’t know, we’re waiting for the footsteps of the Messiah; Yeshua Jesus to return to earth.  But there is a counterfeit approach to money, supposedly Christian and there is an authentic approach to money which is Christian.  My guest Craig Hill founder of “Family Foundations International” in Littleton, Colorado has come out with a book and a CD series dealing with money.  Craig, the Bible talks a lot about money, tell me when you first started getting interested in this subject.

Craig:  You know it is amazing thing Sid I just found in the New Testament there are 215 verses on faith, 218 verses on salvation, and 2,084 verses on money and finances.  I first discovered that back in about 1994 or about 1995, and that’s when I really started getting interested in it personally because the Lord specifically spoke to my wife and me that we were to get out of debt.  And so we took that seriously. What I find is that a lot of times people hear words from the Lord, they don’t take them seriously and you look five, ten years later nothing has actually changed.  We took that seriously and began to take some steps to get out of debt and it actually happened for us by 2001. We were able to eliminate all of our debt including our house mortgage.  You know what I find so many times Sid, people are paralyzed when they look at what they don’t have and what they can’t do.  But when they begin to look at what they do have and what they can do and they begin to do the natural things God steps in to do supernatural things for them.

Sid:  Now I personally have met people that have benefited from your seminar on “Wealth, Riches and Money,” but tell me what feedback comes from people that either attends your seminar or read your books and your CD’s.

Craig:  Well, we found especially with the seminar that something changes on the inside. We found that the biggest problem have is not that they don’t know what to do; the biggest problem have is an inability to do what they know.  Most people have a desire to get out of debt, most people have even gone to seminars, they have even engaged in some feeble attempt at wanting to do it but the problem is on the inside they’re not able to do it.  And what we’ve have found is there are spiritual factors and emotional factors that impact people. This is what we here coming out of the seminars. Specifically is that something changed on the inside that broke the power of spiritual forces that were keeping them back from doing what it was that they knew to do.

Sid:    And now many Christians have been watching in churches or on Christian television and they all seem to now have the same approach towards fundraising. Many Christians have been so turned off they’re throwing away the baby with the dirty bath water. Comment on this.

Craig:  You know I think that the primary problem is that often times the means and the end are mixed.  God is supposed to be the end, we should be perusing God; money is a means, it’s a tool that can be put in our hands to accomplish a kingdom purpose.  But what I find coming out of a lot of television Christian television, and maybe other places, is that it’s not the money is a tool to accomplish God’s purpose, it’s actually God is a tool to get you money.  And money becomes the goal, money becomes the end, God becomes the means.  And what I see in the Bible God is not going to be a tool in anybody’s hands to do anything.  God is the goal, He is the purpose, He is the end. I think that when we pursue Him, seek after Him, not use Him or even use principals to get money but that our purpose is to seek after God then money becomes a tool in our hands to accomplish Kingdom purpose.

Sid:  You know we’re not going there, but I just want to speak a parallel thing about what you’re saying.  Many people say to me because they know I’ve been investigating the supernatural in particular miracles and healing for many years and they say “What is the best method to get healed?”  And the answer is the same that you’ve just said Craig, it’s not a method it’s knowing the truth and the word of God and having intimacy with God. From this intimacy God will show you uniquely what you have to do to get healed.  To me if you need a formula that’s the formula, intimacy with God.

Craig:  I think you’re absolutely right about that Sid and that’s certainly applies to money and finances.  You know I got a revelation from Matthew chapter 6 verse 24 and 25 where you know we commonly read that and hear that, that’s the one where Jesus said, “No one can serve two masters either he’ll hate one and love the other or else he’ll be loyal to one and despise the other you cannot serve God and mammon; therefore I say to you do not worry about your life, what you will eat, what you will drink or about your body what you will put on is not life more than food and the body more than clothing?”  And what I find with a lot of Christians what they are spending a lot of time doing is exactly what Yeshua said here not to do which is worrying about their life.  And He goes on and gives us a picture of his concept of provision. In other words, Yeshua is saying here, “Let Me show you how provision is supposed to come.”  And the thing that was a shock to me, a revelation, I had always thought the provision would come through sowing and reaping.

Sid:  By the 100 fold return of course!

Craig:  Yeah, you know if you’re really in trouble that the way financially that you fix that is sowing and reaping. Then when I read this Yeshua gives His model of how provision is to come and He says, “Look at the sparrows or the birds of the air,” and then He said a really interesting thing, “They neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns yet your heavenly Father feeds them, are you not of more value than they?”  And the revelation that came to me Sid, I suddenly realized that when I was trying to get my financial needs met through sowing and reaping what I had actually done was I had made God’s provision a matter of my works; in other words if I sow then God will provide, if I don’t sow then God won’t provide.

Sid:  Listen, under the Old Covenant we needed formulas, but under the New Covenant His children don’t need formulas they just need God.

Craig:  Well, you know here’s an interesting little poem that I found that goes right along with this about sparrows about birds.  It said the sparrow to the robin, “I would really like to know why these anxious human beings rush about and worry so.”  Said the robin to the sparrow, “I think that it must be that they have no Heavenly Father such as cares for you and me.”  You know when I read that I thought “Boy, we as believers need to at least get as much faith as the birds.”  The birds actually believe in their heart that the reason they will be provided for is because their Father loves them; but I found that most people don’t believe that and because in the debts of their heart they really don’t believe the Father loves them and the Father will care for them.  Then they get involved and actually fall into all kinds of traps of things that people are telling them, “If you give to this ministry, if you do this, if you do that, if you send your money here, or if you invest in this or that, then that’s how God’s going to provide for you.”  And I definitely believe in giving, I definitely believe in investing, but I believe that that is not the foundation and basis of our provision.

Sid:  And isn’t another problem and you actually point this out in your book we’re living in instant America, and they don’t understand the difference between a healing and a miracle or getting your money little by little.  They want instant fixes, quick fixes.

Craig:  Yeah, people have no understanding of process.  They want everything instantaneous and people are not willing to wait, and I think really the bottom line in many of our hearts is that there is a deep rooted distrust toward God.  I think people remember back to their childhood when maybe they heard their parents say things like “Oh you have to be careful save for a rainy day, you never know what’s going to come in the future.”  And those are really words that nullify God’s provision that say “Well, God isn’t going to be there for you you better do something to take care of yourself.”  And the truth is God does love us, He does want to be there for us and He will direct us, He will lead us. As you said earlier, that requires an intimate relationship with Him to begin to experience His supernatural power.

Sid:   Craig you don’t have to be a prophet for whatever anyone reading the newspaper sees we know that the big shaking is coming financially.    Is it too late…

Craig:  I think that it’s never too late Sid; it’s often times we can look in the past and say “I wish I would have or I should have,” but you know God can do such incredible supernatural things.  We’ve had numerous people when they calculated how long it would take them maybe seven, eight, nine years and I’ve had many people report that when they simply began to do what it was that the Holy Spirit showed them to do they found themselves completely out of debt in two, three, four years.  And there’s no way that that could happen without the supernatural intervention of God.

Sid:  And you know one of my concerns I know you do marital counseling and marital seminars. Young people such a serious tearing in their marriage when they get into debt.

Craig:  Well, that’s absolutely true and I think that a lot of times married men feel like, my wife just doesn’t appreciate what goes into me generating this money the hard work, and many woman feel like that well you put me in a prison if I spend $3 buying a Starbucks it’s like I violated something.  And conflict arises and I think…

Sid:  My guest is Pastor Shane Warren, Pastor of First Assembly of God in West Monroe, Louisiana.  He had a visitation to heaven, and he’s been commissions to teach others to be able to do, and as he teaches, and that why we’re making His book secret’s of the well and his three CD series living in the throne room available to you.  As he teaches people have these breakthroughs in their life.  I think it’s amazing the chapter in your book about the warfare of worship, the revelation you got, if you would teach on that today.

Shane:  Sure, you know in the book of Exodus Chapter 32 Moses is on the mountain with God. Aaron is down in the valley and there’s a golden calf being made; Joshua’s half way up the mountain and God tells Moses to come down off the mountain.  He gets to where Joshua’s at and Joshua says to Moses, and this is very key, and He says, “There’s a noise of war that is in the camp.”  Well, what were they doing in the camp Sid?  They were worshipping a golden calf and by the way the word worship there means to kiss as mouth to mouth or to lick like a dog would lap or lick the hand of its master.

Sid:  They got as low as a human people group could get!

Shane:  Absolutely, they had resolved to this idol worship and what was bad was that they were calling the idol by the name of Jehovah. That’s another whole another message in its self.  But the thing that’s key is Joshua said, “There is sound of warfare in the camp.”  Well, they were worshipping, which tells us that worship to the spirit realm sounds like warfare. Moses stops and says, he listens for a moment and he puts his hand over his ears and is in Exodus chapter 32 about 16-17, he puts his hands over his ears and says, “No, it’s not the sound of those who shout because they got the victory, nor the sound of those who shout because they need the victory, it’s just simply the sound of singing that I hear.”  In other words Moses was able to discern because he had been in the glory, he was able to discern that this wasn’t true worship, that it was just simply lip service, and that is was worship was kissing.  By the way what was it, what was the way that Judas betrayed Jesus? He betrayed Jesus with a kiss of worship; Judas comes from the name Judah, Judah means praise, Judas was named because he was probably an unusual praiser; he carried according to John chapter 12 he carried a bag on his hip.  The Bible says he kept Jesus money in that bag, but there’s several different words for bags just like a woman has purse, then there’s man bags and then their brief cases or satchels.  There’s different words in the Greek for bags; well the word that’s used there is the Greek word noscoman. The noscoman was a bag that only one person in Israel carried, it was a musician, it’s called a tongue bag and he would put his reeds in it.  So what Judas had done is he had traded or merchandised his anointing of worship and betrayed Jesus with the very thing that he was created to do.

Sid:  You know it reminds me that there is a teaching going around about merchandising the anointing, isn’t that the same thing?

Shane:  Yeah, it’s very similar; I hadn’t heard that, I hadn’t heard anyone else teach on that subject to the extent that I’m talking about in the context of worship.  But back to this thing of warfare, your listeners and all of us don’t realize how close to break though than we are because when we worship we put forth the sound of warfare. When a person worships I want you to realize that every principality and these were the things that I saw in the Spirit.  There are spirits, chief spirits that are over territories and regions and cities. These spirits descend on places when they hear the sound of worship because worship to the spirit realm is the sound of warfare.   Not only that, angels ascend and descend on those waves of worship, proof of that is 1^st Corinthians chapter 11.  Paul was talking about the culture setting of the Corinthian church, he said “A woman needs to cover her head,” and he said “When she comes to church may a woman cover her head and he said, because of the angels.”  Well, he’s speaking about a church service there, he said, “When you come to church everybody needs to be careful how they conduct themselves because you’re not just coming to church; there’s a whole spirit realm that becomes active and angels show up in the church service. And they’re there to do bidding.  The Bible says “Angels are sent forth to minister on behalf of those that have been born again, those of us who are righteous.”  And so when angels come to a church service they’re coming with your breakthrough in their hand.  And it doesn’t even have to be a church service, I want to be clear here, that when you worship God angels come into your room where you’re at, they come into your house if it’s in your house, in your office, if it’s at your work, angels ascend and descend in that place.  And also there are wicked angels that are involved as well, wicked spirits that are involved as well that are trying to stop the breakthroughs and the miracles from happening.  But what I saw was that when we begin to worship God showed me the atmosphere was like it was warfare, warfare atmosphere.  In the prophets it says “He teaches my fingers to do battle, and my hands to make war.”  The believer through the power of worship can win more battles by simply snapping his finger, if they knew the power of worship they could snap their finger and worship and win every battle that comes against their life.

Sid:  Describe to me what might be happening as believers in your congregation are worshipping corporately, what could be going on in the spirit world?

Shane:  Use your sanctified imagination and tell me what could be going on.

Sid:  Well, here’s the thing, I don’t have to use my imagination this is what the Lord showed me and I write about it in my book, this is what he showed me.  He showed me these angels coming into the worship service and they had our miracles and our breakthroughs in their hands, but they’re not the only ones coming.  Hebrews chapter 2 verse 10, 11 tells us that “Both he who sanctifies and those that sanctifies are all one; He is not ashamed to call us His brethren.”  And that’s talking about Jesus and us.  And the Bible says in verse number 11 that “He will declare the names of God to His brethren in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.”  The context there is Jesus talking so the Bible doesn’t just say the angels are coming to our church service, the Bible says Jesus Himself is somehow visiting our services and coming into the services and joining us in our worship setting.  And that was the most profound thing I ever saw in the word of God and as people begin to worship the Bible says in John chapter 4, and this is the reason I call my book “The Secrets of the Well.” In John chapter 4 Jesus is giving these secrets to this woman at the well whose life is in a mess, she has had five husbands, she now in a relationship with another man she’s not married to, she’s at the well in the middle of the day, her life is a total disgrace, and Jesus sets down with her and He picks this woman to give the most profound revelation of worship in the new testament to a woman whose life is in a mess.  Why did He do that?  Because He knows the keys to break though for her life and for our life is to discover the power of intimacy with God, that when a person discovers the power of intimacy with God miracles begin to happen and the Lord turns our lives right side up.  And the Bible say, here’s what Jesus said to that woman, He said, “The Father seeketh such to worship him.”  The Lord is on a hunt for those that are worshippers and I didn’t say those who do worship, because worship is something you do, but a worshipper is who you are. The Lord is on a hunt for true worshippers, so when the Lord shows up in our church services and with these angels he is looking for somebody, He is not looking for everybody, He’s looking for worshippers.  And according to Hebrew’s chapter 2 verse 11, He walks around and declares the names, the redemptive names of God in the ears of those who are worshippers.  So what happens is he walks up to somebody that’s say is setting in a church service, and their truely worshipping God and they are sick in their body, and He walks up to them, and at some point during the worship service He whispers in their spiritual ear he says “He’s Jehovah Ropha, He’s the Lord that healeth thee.”  And when He says that there’s healings that take place, there’s miracles that take place.  Sid that just happened in a church in Pineville, Louisiana. I was walking around teaching this revelation and I walked up to a man through a word of knowledge and I said, “Let’s just say that Jesus were to walk up to you tonight and you’re dealing with sickness in your body and He says “He’s Jehovah Ropha, the Lord who heals you and I whispered that in his ear and immediately I did not know, but I knew that the man had received a touch from the Lord and I told him “God has just done something for you.”  This man’s kidney’s were in failure and he was going to the doctor because of kidney failure, he went to the doctor the next week his kidney’s had completely reversed because Jesus had walked up to him.  Listen, the Lord means what He says when He says in the midst of two or three I’m there, the Lord comes down and He ministers and these angels do ministry.  You know I’m not into worshipping angels at all, but I’m telling you we under estimate the power of angelic ministry.

Sid:  You know I was really intrigued by your chapter in your book that talks about what the devil knows about worship, and what the devil doesn’t want us to know. When we know, when we really know the revelation in this book you say that there’s no obstacle in life that is impossible, no war you cannot win.

Shane:  You’re right. Listen, satin according to Ezekiel 28 was a worshipping being, he was created for worship, the Bible says he had three different sets of instruments in his body, a percussion instruments, woodwind instruments, and strings instruments according to Isaiah there, but he was a worship being.  Listen he knows, the Bible says he walks up in down, he walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire in a pre-fallen state.  He knows how worship affects the Father; he know how worship affects the spirit realm; he knows how worship affects the angels.

Sid:  The spiritual scales are coming off of the eyes of Jewish people; I know this from my first hand experience.  I mean I was with a Rabbi the other day, a Orthodox Jewish Rabbi that has lead a 1,000 Orthodox Jews to the Lord throughout the world, there’s some 40 Orthodox Jewish Rabbis that are now believers in Jesus.  God is moving so quickly you don’t want to miss it and God’s speaking to you in dreams and visions and that’s why my guest Barbie Breathitt has put together a dream interpretation kit and it’s so easy to operate with.  But Barbie I want you to provoke our people to jealousy, tell me about your heavenly visitation.

Barbie:  I believe that there’s a door open in heaven that it tells us about in Revelation 4, and it says, “Come up here,” and it doesn’t say come up if your only John, or only Sid, or Barbie, but it’s says “Come up here, it’s an open invitation.”  And years ago I was at a worship service and I was slain in the Spirit and as I was laying on the church floor I could hear the worship music, but all that began to fade and a shaft of light appeared behind me with three angels, and I was quickened up into the Spirit with that shaft of light.  And when I arrived I was in heaven, I saw the streets of gold, which are crystal clear spun like honey and deep as you could see was that thick gold.  It wasn’t like you would think of an 18 carat block of gold, but it was a crystal clear. They began to show me around to different realms of heaven and the different places of heaven.  I stood by the crystal sea, and I’ve seen the throne of God with the rainbows, and they’re beautiful gemstones, and the rainbow colors that are all over heaven. I would think a thought to ask a question, I never spoke, but the thoughts that I had the angels would know my thoughts because we’re known by the Spirit there, you speak spirit to spirit and they would answer my questions.  And they began to show me the protocols of heaven, but the thing that I came away from there was the massive amount of love that God has and the perfect acceptance.  Every cell of my body was energized with love, with God’s light, there’s was no fear, there was no shame, there was just how much He loves each one of us. And He showed me what He is going to do in the end times with pouring out of His Spirit.

Sid:  Oh, tell me!

Barbie:  There’s stadiums that are going to be filled, and He took me from different…

Sid:  Oh, I didn’t realize you found out this in heaven.

Barbie:  I found out about this in heaven that He was going to pour out His Spirit and do things in a massive scale;

Sid:  Now why does He need stadiums as opposed to church buildings?

Barbie:  Well, because He was taking outside the church walls.

Sid:  Also I don’t think there’s any churches large enough to hold all of the people that are going to flock when the real thing shows up.

Barbie:  That’s it, it’s going to be the multitudes, Jesus ministered to the multitudes when He was here and it said “That all that came to Him were healed.”  And I believe that there is going to be a nameless, faithless generation that going to step into this. I don’t think age is a qualifier or youth, it’s going to be the old, the young, it’s going to be whoever will, will step in. People that had no names were walking around having creative miracles where limbs would grow back, or people that had been brought in on stretchers, or dead from hospitals were resurrected. God has released His resurrection power to everyday ordinary people.  So anybody that wants to move into this just has to say “Lord, here am I prepare me, that I may begin to move in that.”  So things are going to happen.

Sid:  When you were in heaven and you heard about these things that are going to happen on earth, did you see it or did you just know it, or how was it communicated?

Barbie:  I was taken to the different countries and the different stadiums. One of them I saw was in Romania and I visited there and I opened my hotel window one day and there was the stadium; it was empty there were weeds grown up in it, but the Lord said, “I showed you this and one that this stadium will also be filled with my glory.”  I believe they’ll be stadiums in Dallas, Texas that are going to be filled with the glory of God as He pour out, there is going to be strategic places around the world, South America, Central America, where God’s going to begin to pour out His Spirit and there’s going to be healing revivals that are going to break lose.  And people with incurable diseases with no hope whatsoever even the dead are going to be raised.  And I saw this when I was in the heavenly realms and was able to be taken into the realm of the Spirit to these different locations because you travel at the speed of thought when you are in heaven.  You can think a place and boom you are there or anything that you think manifest and happens.  I think that’s one reason God says “As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he,” so we have to be constantly casting down vain imaginations and having our focus on God and His word, so that we’re walking pleasing spirit with the Lord.

Sid:  What affect did it have on you personally this visitation to heaven?

Barbie:  I think the impact of love and wanting to serve the Lord with all my heart. It placed a passion within me for the miraculous, for being a candidate to be one who would impart what I have to others because the Lord’s given me the ability to lay hands on other to help them move in the vision realm, to help them understand dreams, to help them receive healing gifts.  I think that’s where the healing revivals of the past failed because they didn’t impart to others they kept it to themselves.  So it gave me wanting to equip, release, train, impart to, to multiply this so that because it’s going to be all hands on deck, there aren’t enough people prepared or anointed right now to.

Sid:  And I’m worried about people that God’s talking to right now that don’t understand the basics of interpreting dreams.

Barbie:  I would say study, you study your gifts.

Sid:  Okay, were making available your dream interpretation kit…Would you pray that people supernaturally would begin to supernaturally understand their dreams?

Barbie:  Lord I just ask that your hand come upon these people Lord that gets this kit Lord that you’ll give them the Spirit of understanding, Lord I ask that You would come upon them in the night season to where that they would begin to dream and have visions and visitations, translations, transportations, encounters with You Lord.  That they would know You in Spirit and in Truth. Father I would ask that you would just begin to breathe on them; invade each one of their bedrooms Lord, come into and touch their heart, Lord cause the things that they know in their mind to be transferred into the heart Lord, that You could minister to them Spirit to spirit by Your grace, by Your love.  Father let them know You, let them experience You, let them encounter You in these supernatural realm of the Spirit Lord where their heart would be quickened and the passion of the Lord will be placed in them and they’ll return to their first love.  And they will pursue You with all of their heart Lord; that they will burning like ministers of fire Lord, or let them see the angelic realm.  I ask that you open their eyes by Your Spirit to see into the realm of the Spirit to know they things that you’re revealing to them, give them the Spirit, of wisdom, of might even as it says in Isaiah 11:2 that you’ll begin to pour out the seven Spirits of God there upon Your people Lord and cause us to be that mighty army that is going to be raised up for this end-time move of God.  To understand how to interpret dreams and visions Lord, that we will be able to use this as an evangelistic tool to go out into the streets, the highways, the byways so that we can compel them to come into the Kingdom of God.  So Lord I ask that You pour out your Spirit now upon all flesh, and that you fulfill the Bible prophecy that’s in Acts, that You’ll move through signs, wonders, miracles, prophecy, healing, dreams and vision and interpretation; it’ll be through our sons and daughters Lord that you will do these mighty things Father. So we just say, “Here am I Lord, send me.  Amen.”

Sid:  That’s a beautiful ending to the prayer, He-nay-ney, here am I, and that’s all God wants and all you want is to serve God.

Sid:  My guest is red hot for the Messiah. She’s been red hot for the Messiah every since she heard the audible voice of God call her by name three times and God said to you “Barbie Breathitt…”

Barbie:  He said that “If I would only believe that the same anointing that flowed through the apostles of old would flow through me and I believe that wasn’t just for me.”  Sid, I believe that was for everyone whose heart would believe what the word of God says. And they would say, “Lord hear am I I’m a candidate let the anointing flow through me that flowed through the apostles of old.”

Sid:  Barbie you’ve had visitations from angels, and one of the things that I believe most people are not familiar with is you can have a visitation from an angel in a dream. Most people think in terms of an angel walking up to them you know in their natural environment and don’t think in the terms of angel visitation in dreams, but it is Biblical.

Barbie:  Very Biblical and happens very often.  A lot of times when I’m interpreting people’s dreams I will tell them that was an angel that came into your dream.  Because a lot of times they’ll remember somebody walking along side of them, but they don’t remember the facial features. That’s a lot of times how angels will appear in the dream, not in all of their heavenly glory, but they’ll come as dressed as a man or dressed as a woman in the dream.

Sid:  Tell me about the angelic visitation you had in my favorite country Israel.

Barbie:  Israel is our favorite, we go, we just took a tour group called “Returning to Your First Love” to Israel and we’re going back next year in February as well.  But when we were there we were staying at David’s Citadel Hotel; into my dream,

Sid:  Well, you stay at nice places, I’ve been there.

Barbie:  We tried to do top of the line tours for the people, you know it’s a wonderful experience to go to the Holy Land and everyone should go at least once, but when you go your life is changed.  And every time I’ve gone to the Holy Land I have had angelic visitations and encounters.

Sid:  Well, I’m beginning to think I might have had some that I didn’t know about because I just wasn’t alert to angels coming in dreams even though it’s Biblical.

Barbie:  Hmm, hmm.  They came to Joseph that way, they came to Mary that way. So angels appear in dreams and in Solomon’s dream they came to him in a dream.

Sid:  So tell me about this dream when these angels came to you and our favorite country.

Barbie:  I had been asking the Lord for the healing anointing and that was one of the things I wanted Him to give me when I went to Israel because Israel’s the largest portal, most angelic activity in the world is there in Israel.  So in my dream this beautiful blond very handsome person was in my dream and the Lord said, “I want you to go, I want to introduce you.”  So I walked up to the person and He said, “Read his name tag.”  And he was dressed as if he was operating in the hotel industry as one of the waiters and he had a name tag on and the name tag said, “Raphael.”  And with him were two other angels, and those two were there to support him, but this is the healing angel and I’m answering your prayers through a visitation of you being introduced to Raphael and he’s going to begin to move in your ministry from this time forward.  You will see the increase and the healing anointing that I’ve had that you have asked me for.  And it’s been true Sid, we’ve had outstanding supernatural signs and wonders.

Sid:  I love specific examples tell me one.

Barbie:  Let’s talk about a lady in a wheelchair because people that’s just off the charts if God will heal someone in a wheelchair.  This woman had her hips crushed, diabetes, emotional trauma and pain in her life as well.  She came to a Supernatural Conference at Bobby Connors that Erin Evans and I were doing in Saginaw, Michigan. In her heart she said, “If these healing testimonies that Barbie is saying are true have, her command me to come out of my wheelchair.”

Sid:  That’s some fleece!  But go ahead.

Barbie:  That was it, that was what her heart desire was, “Okay God, if this is real heal me out of this wheelchair and have Barbie tell me.”  So I’m going down the line with words of knowledge and I came to the wheelchair and the Lord said, “I want you to command her to get out of that wheelchair.”  And so I said, “I command you to in the name of Jesus to be healed and come out of that wheelchair.”  And I reached down and grabbed her hand she started saying, ”No, no, no,” and I said, “No, don’t tell me no the Lord wants to heal you,” she said, “No, wait a minute, I have to lock down the wheels.” Because I had already started to grab her to pull her out of the wheelchair, but her wheelchair was rolling forward.  So her “no, no, no” wasn’t a refusal it was “let me lock this wheelchair down so my chair doesn’t follow you as you pull me out of the chair.” Sid she stood and the doctors had told her she would never be able to stand because her hips would never hold her weight.  But the Lord said, “I want to heal her diabetes and I want to heal the emotional problems as well.”  So I held her in my arms and began to prophesy the complete healing.  She came to church that Sunday after the conference no cane, no walker, no wheelchair, she was totally healed by God. That’s what God wants to do is release His supernatural healing power.  And a lot of times angels come to minister with us to bring an increase in the level of anointing, they will take the level of gifting that we have, the level of faith, the level of belief that we have, but then they bring the Kingdom of heaven to earth and they connect heaven and earth.  And that’s what God says, “Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven;” so the angelic realm brings that to earth and so there’s greater signs, wonders and miracles that are being performed.

Sid:  Okay that’s the fruit of their visitation, but out of curiosity do you see them, do you feel them, do you sense them, how do you know that the angels are there?

Barbie:  Sometimes the Lord will open my eyes to see them, he did that when I was in Dallas doing a conference there, there were angels lined up along the wall and they had a banner across their chest, they had the seven colors of the rainbow rotating through the sash that they were wearing.  And they gave me a word of knowledge that was for chronic pain in people to come that the Lord was going to heal them.  And the angels rushed off the back wall and created such a wind at the altar area that I was blown up onto one foot and had to struggle to keep my balance because heaven wants to move into the realm when people exercise faith, when they will release the prophetic gifts with words of knowledge, when they’ll flow in the ministry gifts of healing and the gift of faith.  Angels are so excited because they have waited for this to time to come. There was another lady healed of three disks in her back, got out of wheelchair danced with a friend of mine and so God moved with chronic pain, people with back conditions, arthritis, and they were healed because the angelic realm was also there.

Sid:  Barbie paint me a picture because you’re a prophetess of what God is showing you will happen next in the United States or even the world; you were telling me about the healing revival.

Barbie:  I believe that the healing revival has already started, Rick Joyner, the Lord told him that if he would honor the fathers that he would send revival and there’s a revival going on in Lakeland, Florida with Todd Bentley.  I believe this is the beginnings of that.  When the Lord had translated me to heaven years ago He caught me up in a vision and showed me stadiums that were going to be filled with believers and nonbelievers for the dead were going to be raised. He showed me the glory cloud of God that would rest above the top of stadium.  And there was a person on a microphone that would say, “Step into the anointing now because He is moving to bring healing for cancer,” and the glory cloud of God would come from the top of the stadium and it would move across the whole audience in that stadium and it would rest at the top of the other side.  And everyone that was in that glory cloud was completely healed and I believe that what’s been released now is the beginnings of that last days end time healing revival where those who go, those who say I will believe, Lord here am I send me, that we will be carriers.  And it’s not just for inside the church, it is for outside the church, it’s for those that don’t believe.

Sid:  Listen, I’m an evangelist and I am looking forward to the day were we don’t do this deal where we say let’s bring this unsaved person into our four walls so that the paid professional can lead them to the Lord.  That is so far removed from the truth book the Bible.

Barbie:  That is so true and God wants everyone moving in it, I went to Lowe’s hardware store, there was a little lady complaining there of severe pain in her back and that she was going to have surgery the next day.  I said, “You don’t need to have surgery I said, God has given me a healing gift let me pray for you.”  When I did, five minutes before she was cussing and carrying on then when I’m praying for her tears come upon her, the Holy Spirit touches her from the top of her head to the tip of her toes removes the pain, heals the bulging disc in her back, right there in a Lowe’s department store.  So God’s calling is not just to stay within the four walls, but He wants us to go to Reissuance fairs, he wants us to go to New Age fairs, out into the market place and the businesses and take the gifts of the Spirit there.

Sid:    I know a lot of people who have Wal-Mart ministries, they just walk around that store looking for people that are walking on crutches or in wheelchairs, or obviously physical problems and pray for them right on the spot.

Barbie:  And they are finding I’m sure that God is meeting them right there because they’re putting a demand on the Spirit.

Sid:  I think there’s a stronger anointing for people to be healed outside the church at this moment than even in the church.

Barbie:  Yes, absolutely because they don’t have the unbelief; they’re not steeped in tradition. They’re unbelievers sometimes that are being healed and they’re getting saved because of the goodness of the Lord.

Sid:  My guest, Barbie Breathitt, I’m just getting to know her, but she has been given a gift, a prophetic gift, a precious gift from God to have insight into dreams.  I had one of my staff members Bridgette my Office Manager sit down because she had had a vivid dream and explain it to Barbie here’s what happened.

Bridgette MV Office Manager’s dream:  My dream begins with Donald, my husband and I sitting in a car at the side of the road.  I sensed that there had been a storm and our car had stalled.  Then over my shoulder I could see a river of water coming towards us.  In that river were five bigger cars as they became visible I could see them flowing in the water and they appeared to be out of control.  I said to my husband, “Let’s push our car up high to avoid a collision.”  We pushed our car and it went to higher ground, and that was the end of my dream.

Barbie:  So it was Donald and you in the dream – you sense a storm and your care stalls out then you see a river that’s flowing, but there’s five bigger cards in the river and you watch them and you think that these cars are out of control.

Bridgette:  Yes.

Barbie:  What this dream means for you is that there’s going to be a transition in the ministry that you’re in right now to where it’s going to have larger impact.  Donald means a world leader, and also his name means faithful. There’s a scripture that is his life scripture and it says “Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and his works faith has made perfect.”  So there is a working that’s going on in your and Donald’s life and sometimes the work of God comes as a wind of change and it appears as a storm.  But this storm or wind of change, is going to do in your life is to bring you into the move of God that going to give you greater grace and greater favor because the number five is the number grace, favor and redemption in the atonement where the divine name of God is just even going to be imprinted on you.  And it’s going to cause you to step into the flow or the move of God and it’s going to appear at first because it’s going to be one of the new things that God’s…it’s going to appear to be that those things are out of control because it’s a new thing and it’s a new way that God is moving, but you are going to find that stepping into this new move of God is going to bring a lot of blessings to you and Donald and that your faithfulness is really being rewarded as God’s getting ready to promote you and bring forth the increase that your hearts have been crying for.  It’s a very good dream for you and Donald.

Sid:  Barbie I’m in awe with people that have the ability to interpret dreams. Why are dreams so important to Christians?

Barbie:  I think dreams are important to Christians and unbelievers because it tells destiny to them, it’s the script that God is writing for them in order for them to step into destiny, step into knowing…

Sid:  But why doesn’t God just speak to us not in symbolic form, I mean I’m a very pragmatic person, “God just tell me what to do and I’m going to do it.”  Now He’s done that a few times in a dream where it’s been very literal, but those are not very freq…how comes He speaks to us in riddles?

Barbie:  He wants us to seek Him, He’s after relationship first and foremost, He loves us so much that He wants us to seek Him for the understanding. He wants us to begin to learn His language which is the symbolic, prophetic, metaphoric language.  Just like He spoke to the disciples when He walked with them in parables why didn’t He just plainly tell them, but in that scripture He does tell us “It’s given us to know the mystery.”  And the way that we’re able to understand mysteries of dreams and visions and those things of the night that He gives us is because the Spirit of God lives within us. So we hear His voice and another we will not follow.  So we’re able to see the dream and as we seek Him for the understanding He gives it to us just like putting a puzzle piece together.  If He clearly tells us exactly what He wants us to do it comes with a very high cost and a price tag, you know because then we cannot deviate in any area, shape or form because we knew exactly what were suppose to do, then we have to exactly perform that.  But with the dreams he speaks to us in a dream since it’s symbolic it’s parabolic, we can only be held accountable to the amount that we come into the understanding of that dream.

Sid:  Okay, Barbie when people get your tools and you’ve put together tools in a very practical fashion from this special CD on God’s dreams symbols that we are making available. These cards intrigue me especially like for instance I have a card here that anyone can pick up and it says colors.  Now you list a color, tell me one color and what it means.

Barbie:  Red is a very powerful color, and it can mean God’s wisdom and His anointing and power on the positive side. So I’ve seen healing come through a red light that comes flashing into an audience.  So red being a delivering healing power as well, also on the negative there is meaning war or anger because how some people when they’re angry can turn a red.  It can also mean a hatred or a bloodshed, or lust, so there’s always going to be a positive and a negative. The Holy Spirit is the one that will lead and guide us to know in the context of the dream; is this a positive application that I apply to this color or is a negative application that is being applied to this color so that we can come up with the right interpretation.

Sid:  Okay, you see someone in the dream you know it might be a mother or a father or a spouse a school teacher, give me an example of one and what it might mean.

Barbie:  The people that are in the dream can represent that office that they’re standing in or that job that they are standing in, or it could be that God’s speaking to you about that person and what is their name and the meaning of their name as well.  So there’s the dialoguing that you do with the Holy Spirit to find out why did you show me this person wearing this particular color and He begins to tell you well, “They’re dressed in red because they have an anger problem.” They’re dressed in red because My wisdom is coming to them and they’re anointed to move in the power gifts. So the different person you would look at, are they a pastor, are they a teacher, what is there job, what is their name if you know them, I would look up the name of what they mean. Then I would look at the colors so you begin to take each aspect of the symbol that appears in your dream, and you can get insight from God because He’s the one that chose that symbol, put that color with them that caused that particular symbol to enter into your dream so it has significant meaning.

Sid:  Okay, so we have put together an list of the colors and what they mean and I like the idea that it’s not a piece of paper it’s a card that won’t through usage get ruined, it’s a laminated card and what the symbols mean.  And then you have something called God dream language that’s the one that I really need, would you take an example of one and what it means.

Barbie:  Well, if I have different things that are listed on here that are broken down in categories so it will give people idea of how to come into an understanding. Like horses appear in your dreams, so many times horses come into our dream it represents somebody that’s moving in power and in great authority.  And then you would look and see what color or type of horse was in your dream or jewels.  Jewels appear in our dreams a lot of times and that’s going to denote spiritual gifts and treasures that are given to people with their inheritance.  It can also represent a rank that God is placing on them and the level of authority and the riches of His kingdom coming to them that they have consecrated their lives to the Lord.  And then of course you could be something like a knife that enters into the dream which could represent cutting or stabbing words.  And one of the frequent symbols that show up in people’s dream is they’re teeth falling out and it could indicate a season where they’re biting off too much or come into a season of indecision in their life.  Or simply that they’re concerned about their appearance or their lacking wisdom and understanding and not realized things about relevant issues that are entering into their life.

Sid:  Tell me briefly about this healing card, because that’s the one that intrigues me the most.

Barbie:  If you have a disease and if you poll audiences, 75% of the people have some ailment with them. So what we’ve done is picked out the most frequent sicknesses, or ailments, or diseases. We’ve identified the root causes of those with the legend at the top whether it’s a deaf and dumb spirit, drug abuse or evil spirit or familiar spirit, mother or father issues, or issues that you have with yourself, or is it caused by multiple causes with assortment of these.  And so when you can find the root cause, if you can eliminate the root, the unholy fruit of the sickness, it will die and evaporate, it will no longer be there when we pray.  And this can be worked to where you pray and send the prayers to other states, other nations because in the realm of the Spirit there is no distance and there is no limitation.

Sid:  Take one disease briefly and explain how they would use the card.

Barbie:  Oh like if you had something with autoimmune diseases which you would notice that it caused by bitterness, it’s caused by guilt, it’s caused by self hatred that the person’s own immune system now is destroying its self. My father died of autoimmune hemolytic anemia where his body systematically the blood cells devoured themselves.