SID: Hello. I’m Sid Roth. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My next Kynan had a visitation from the Lord for three months, and he was downloaded revelation from the Word of God, so that all of the promises of God will be activated in your life, and it’s wonderful. Superstars have it activated. But my Bible says we only have one superstar and his name is Jesus. And I’m telling you, he is so charged and filled with new revelation that you will never, ever be the same. Hello. You know, Kynan, you provoke me to jealousy, and that’s what you gentile believers in Jesus are supposed to do to us Jewish believers in Jesus. But at 15, the spirit of God opened your eyes and you began seeing things. Was it a little scary at first?

KYNAN: It was, Sid, at first, because without a mentor there to really mentor you in the supernatural you have to kind of fend for yourself in a way. And what God began to do with me, is He began to unload or download rather discernment, a spirit of discernment of spirits, and I began to see people and meet people, after I got filled with the Holy Spirit, that had spirits of depression, spirits of rejection.

SID: You knew that? How did you know it? Did sense it? Did you hear it? Did you see it?

KYNAN: Both actually. It’s kind of an interesting thing because in the spirit realm we don’t see with the natural eyes. We see with our spiritual eyes. And so I was able to see, sometimes it would be like weights on people or you would see a cloud, like a dark cloud over somebody or something like that, and I would instantly know that they were dealing with rejection, for example, or a spirit of depression. And so God began to do that for me at a very early age.

SID: Now in 1996, you had a vision that’s about ready to take place now. Tell me about it.

KYNAN: In ’96, I had a vision from the Lord. God began to speak to me. Again, I was a young believer, both in my walk with Christ and also my walk with Jesus, and also in my age, actually. And God began to speak to me about the coming age of the church that God is raising up a generation of people that are going to walk in a reverential fear of God, they’re going to walk in an authority, a kingdom authority, and they’re going to begin to speak things in the atmosphere, and they’re going to materialize. There’s going to be young people that are going to be teenagers that are going to be college students that are going to flow in the supernatural and purity, Sid.

SID: Now what we’re seeing, unfortunately, right now, is the opposite of what you’re saying. But yet because of what you saw you know it’s here.

KYNAN: Absolutely.

SID: It’s like this close to being here.

KYNAN: Absolutely. It’s here. It’s just a matter of time really. But I’ll say this. It starts with the Word of God. Jesus said something very profound in the Gospel of John. He actually provoked the Pharisees, because he said that, “Your Father is a man in the wilderness and they’re dead.” He said, “But my words are spirit and life.” In other words, he literally, in the Greek, that’s the word “zoe”, it means the same life that’s inside of God. The Word of God has the power to release the very life that’s inside of God. When we speak the Word we’re not just speaking something with an audible voice, but we are literally, Sid, speaking for spirit and life. And the more people do that, the more the Word, the spirit of the Word will transform their lives.

SID: You know, Kynan, when I hear you speak I want to run and grab my Bible. You’re making me so hungry for the Word of God.

KYNAN: Amen.

SID: In 1997, you heard the audible voice of God.

KYNAN: I did. This is another situation. My father was, he loved to fish, and we were coming from a trip in Pensacola. And I was looking out the window. I daydreamed a lot. Don’t tell anybody, but I used to do that.

SID: I won’t. It’s our secret.

KYNAN: But I used to daydream. And I was looking out the window and I saw the clouds open, and I heard an audible voice of God that said, “I want you to preach my Word.” And it just resonated in my spirit, Sid. That was the first time I heard the call to ministry.

SID: Okay. But then in 2008, you had visions that lasted for three months with a major call of what to do in ministry. Tell me about that.

KYNAN: Well actually, my wife was, she was newly pregnant at the time. Actually, we lived in a little apartment that didn’t have a lot of windows or anything, so there wasn’t really a lot of light at nighttime. It was very dark in our bedroom. Well God began to wake me up at three a.m. in the morning and I would see a door open, a door of light. And I would hear the Holy Spirit say to me, “Behold, I set before you an open door. I set before you an open door.” And I really didn’t know what it meant at the time. But then God began to show me, what He was taking about was the Book of Revelation, Chapter 3, Verse 8, where Jesus declares to the church, “Behold, I set before you an open door.” But he said something very key, Sid. He said, “You have kept my word and not denied my name.” And so what God began to unfold to me is that the door that He’s talking about is really the door of revelation that comes to the church, when we keep His Word and we don’t deny His name, which is really a door of authority, because the name of Jesus is the authority of Jesus. As we keep the Word of God and we stay in the authority of His name, a door of the supernatural is open to the church.

SID: Now you are so strong in your conviction and your belief. How did you get so strong, seriously?

KYNAN: Well you know, Sid, it’s a matter of choice. I believe every believer that has come to this place, you’re going to decide which side that you’re on. You’re going either be on God’s side or you’re going to be on the world’s system, and the world’s system has proven to us, Sid, that it does not work. The healthcare system has failed. We can’t trust the government. We can’t trust the systems of this world to provide for us. We can only trust the Word of God, Sid. And I made a decision, me and my whole house, that we will serve the Lord. We’re not going to move from that.

SID: Do you want to make that decision? I want you to teach a little bit and it will be easy to make that decision. Don’t go away.

SID: I’ve been thinking about so many people are going through so many problems, and they look at God as their genie, as their servant. They have it absolutely backwards. Well my guest Steve Hill doesn’t have it backwards. And let me tell you, something happened to him. I observed him before he developed cancer, and it was terminal. There’s no chance of him surviving. He was preparing for his funeral, making arrangements with his wife. And God through a great miracle spared his life. But the compassion that he has now, he’s exuding compassion. And I’ll tell you, if I have one prayer for myself and if you have one prayer for yourself, that is to have the compassion of God for a dying society. In addition to that, boy did this guy have power. I watched him out at Brownsville and he prayed for someone, and they would go flying through the air. What people that have observed him now say the power is even stronger. We’ll get to that.

STEVE: Sid, I got to jump on that right there, because two weeks ago, a man came up to me and I was leaving the church, I was going home. He comes up to me and he stands taller than I am, handsome man, dressed to the max, dressed nicer than you are today, and that’s hard to do, Brother. You need to run your own clothing line. But this guy, he goes, I said, “Who are you?” And he gave me his name. And I said, “What are you here for?” He said, “You’re Steve Hill.” I said, “Yeah.” He goes, “I want what you have.” And I said, “What do you mean?” He goes, “I just know who you are and I want what you have.” And I have never done this before. I said, “Let me have your hand.” And he put his hand like that. And I took my hand I just rubbed it across. I’ve never done this. I’ve been ministering for 37 years. Went across like that. And when I got to the tip of his fingers, the power of God shot down my arm. You don’t have to believe it. That doesn’t bother me. Shot down my arm and when my fingers touched his fingertips, it was like a break-dancer. His hand went like this. His arm went like this. His shoulders, and then he went flying backwards, hit the tile. I thought he was going to break the tile or break his neck. And he just laid there staring up like what on God’s green earth just happened to me. And I looked at him and I said, “Get him up, get him up, get him up, pick him up.” And then I went like this, I rubbed his cheek. Never done that before. Just rubbed his cheek. Wham! Hit by the power of God. Do you want to know that was?

SID: I do know, but you tell me.

STEVE: I don’t know what was.

SID: Yeah, I do know what it was. It was the power of the Lord God.

STEVE: You and I both know what I’m talking about. But I don’t know what’s going to happen with him. What on earth? Because he got like a double, triple, whatever you want to call it. I don’t know.

SID: This anointing can even be transferred through the airwaves, like on a cell phone. Tell me about one.

STEVE: Don’t get me started on cell phones. We’ll get people on cell phones. One man was in the Grand Canyon. I’ve been to the Grand Canyon. If you’re from other parts of the world, it’s big hole. It’s seven miles deep. And so this man calls from the Grand Canyon and wants me to pray for him. I’m like 3000 miles away. And I said, “Where are you standing?” Because if he’s on the edge I’ don’t want to pray for him, you know.

SID: Good thinking.

STEVE: He said, I’m in a ranger station. So he’s inside. And I’ve been to the bottom of the Grand Canyon. I knew exactly where he was. And I said, “Okay, I’m going to pray for you.” I said, “Are you ready?” He goes, “Yeah.” And I said, I went, “Fire! Fire! Power of God, touch him, hit him! Hello? Hello?” His wife came up to me two hours later. He was out, man. He was still out. And she said, “The power of God hit my husband. He’s shaking under the power thousands of miles away.” Why not? If Jesus is omnipresent, if you’re in Siberia right now, he’s in Siberia. Wherever you’re watching this from, he’s there with you.

SID: I want you to look in the camera and pray for the people watching right now to receive the power, same type of power that fellow on the cell phone received.

STEVE: There’s no doubt in my mind that you are about to receive. If you are hungry for things of God then God is hungry for you. If you’re serious about Him, He’s serious about you. And I want you to look at me right now, sir, ma’am, what do you want to see? Now if you want me to pray for you that you get a million dollars in the mail, I’m sorry, you’re looking at the wrong person. But if you want to pray for the anointing, the power of God to heal the sick, to raise the dead, to see the power of God come down in our city, to see people touched by the power, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, I pray God for the power of God to come down right now into that living room, into that house, into that home. Flow through that computer. Flow through that TV set. Flow through that apparatus right now. Touch, touch, touch. May the fire of the Holy Ghost envelop, envelop and touch this man, touch this woman and use them for your glory and honor in Jesus’ name. And don’t you take a drop of God’s glory. When He uses you, you give all the credit to the Lord. That’s one of the secrets of my longevity. I see miracle after miracle, after miracle because I don’t take one drop of His glory. It’s all Jesus. And none of you, you’re a vessel. Man, if it wasn’t for God you couldn’t heal a sick hummingbird. It’s Jesus flowing through you. Right now there’s somebody, let me tell you, right now there’s somebody in a cloud. You were in a dark cloud and God is going to bring you out of that dark cloud. But once you get out, here’s what the Lord is saying to you: Move, keep moving. The Lord is saying to you, I cannot steer a car that is not sitting still. You need to move forward in the things of God. Quit sitting still. Go after God. Worship the Lord. Read the Word, not for others, but for you.

Sid: My guests by way of telephone from their home in Shallotte, North Carolina is Clarice and Ronnie Holden. In their own words their just regular ordinary people, but Ronnie found himself fighting for his life. God began to download in his wife Clarice  how to battle the unseen world. He was literally given 3 hours to live; he was in a horrible auto accident; he should have not lived. While his wife and friend, and the church was interceding for him, he was actually in a coma for 21 days, and he had a visitation from some angels. He also had the angel of death show up, and they stopped the angel of death from taking him. What happened next Ronnie?

Ronnie: Well one night I was on the boat, they took me down to the boat…

Sid: The angels literally took him on this boat, okay.

Ronnie: I spent the night there, it was a 100 ft. schooner, I could see it from my window at the hospital. I had all this fruit to eat; I had cold water, ice water to drink because I hadn’t anything to eat or drink in almost a month. They just took care of me. Then one night, I think it was when the doctors told my wife I wasn’t going to live through that night. They came and they told me Sid “Were getting ready to leave and make a trip to the other side. If you’re ready to go we’ll take you you’ll never hurt again when you get there. The voice may get rough on the way, but we’ll pack you a whack, and you’ll never hurt again.” My wife she said she’d been hollering at me, shouting at me to fight, I had to fight I had to come out of this. I told them “My wife is at the hospital waiting for me, and she really wants me to come back and I really need to go there. So I decided not to go.” I don’t know anything about be given a choice to live or die, but I was I think, and I chose to live.

Sid: Okay, put your wife on. I’m so glad that he chose to live because I wouldn’t have this book in my hands right now. Clarice it sounds like you were not going to give up no matter what. Is that right?

Clarice: Absolutely.

Sid: What advice would you give someone that is listening to us right now who has been given a death sentence by a doctor, let’s say cancer. What would you tell that person?

Clarice: Get a hold of the word of God and claim every promise He gave you. Go into a no doubt zone. I had no doubt around me, I would not let anybody say or think another thing around me. You know several people came to the hospital to see him and to see me, but if I felt like they were not right with me I wouldn’t let them in. There was one day Sid I had gone down into the cafeteria, and this lady, a very well dressed lady and put her tray down beside me and started talking. She says “I can’t help but notice you’re in the same boat I’m in.” She said “Your husband came in about the same time mine did, and their intensive care.” I’d not seen the lady before, and she says “You know their telling me my husband won’t make it.” I looked at her and I grabbed my tray and I got up, and I said “Mam I don’t know about you, but mine is gonna make it and I just can’t sit here,” and I left. I just knew that I could not even entertain a thought of him not being well. I just know that if there’s someone out there today that’s being given a sentence by a doctor that you’re not gonna make it, remember our heavenly He is in control and He will help you through this. He did me, and I know He is not a respecter of persons.

Sid: Tell me about the day that your husband was ready to leave the hospital because he was healed.

Clarice: That was a glorious day. Our niece’s husband came and he picked him up, and we were coming home.Our sheriff wanted to have an escort, but I had asked someone if this lady I had met in the hospital if she could sing Amazing Grace, and she said she would. He was rolled out the whole sidewalk was lined with doctors, nurses, physical therapists, janitors, everything. She started singing Amazing Grace, there was not a dry eye out there. We could have had an altar call, but I know that it was only God’s amazing grace that brought us through this.

Sid: Now just out of curiosity you told me about a specific doctor, Doctor Maxwell, at first would not even agree with you that your husband would live. Have you talked with him since your husband was healed?

Clarice: Oh I certainly have. A year later he called and wanted to come down, he brought his wife to meet us, and he brought his camera. He wanted to have his picture taken with us, and he said he watched Ronnie as Ronnie moved around; he was amazed. His wife said to me “He never brought home any patients, he never talked about his patients.” She said “He talked about us every day.” He said “Honey I’m so worried.” She said “How’s Mr. Holden doing?” He said “I don’t know he’s more dead than he is alive, but his wife is who I’m worried about. I go in there at 3:00 in the morning and she says ‘Doctor Maxwell doesn’t he look wonderful?’”

Sid: He didn’t look wonderful why would you say that?

Clarice: Because I didn’t see him as he was, I had faith. You know I had to look beyond that because I knew he was gonna be healed. I know that sounds crazy, but that’s what I saw.

Sid: Sounds like faith to me.

Clarice: It was faith, but that doctor he says “You know I will never forget you.” He had our picture taken with him. He was the chief surgeon for trauma. When Ronnie went back for a checkup one of the other doctors, one of the other doctors came in first and he looked at Ronnie he walked out. We heard him talk and he said “I gotta go get doctor so and so, he doesn’t even look like the same man.” Another doctor would come in and they’d say “Well we’ve got to go get Doctor Clancy, they’re not gonna believe this now we’ve got to go get Doctor Maxwell.” They walked in and they looked at Ronnie they said “This is not the same man,” but that was the man I saw.

Sid: Last thought.

Clarice: That is so important that you do not doubt. That you will hold tight and walk what the word of God says, and just set yourself in agreement with that word and hold on, and don’t look to the left, and don’t look to the right, look straight ahead; don’t be deterred by nothing or nobody.

Sid: Ronnie Holden I would like the last word from you.

Ronnie: Sid I would just like to share with everybody what God told me about His mercy. I didn’t deserve even to live, I didn’t deserve what I have, but God had mercy on me. All the things I’ve done in my life, as mean as I’ve been, I was a scoundrel and God took mercy on me and healed me. All we have to do is call out, it’s so simple, some people just look over it. You call out to God and God will answer your prayer, He answered mine. I’m alive and well; I’m a miracle. I know God’s power, I know God’s peace…

Sid: I’m sorry were out of time.

Sid:We are getting ready to mediate on the word and I’m going to tell you no matter what happens in your life if you have the word of God, the promises of God that we’re especially written just for you inside of you, when you believe it with all your heart as a result of mediating not with all of your mind but with all of your heart, then everything that you say will come to pass according the will of God. Psalm 103 verse 1 to 4 say it out loud many times this week and personalize it.  I’m using the New King James version of the Bible “Bless the Lord oh my soul and all that is in within me, bless His holy name.Bless the Lord oh my soul and forget not all His benefits.  Who forgives all my iniquities, who heals all my diseases, who redeems my life from destruction.” And Julie True that’s what we were talking about yesterday; we were talking about you have such a passion, such a concept of God being your loving father that it exudes in everything that you do.  Now I found it interesting that you father was a worship leader but he was in a church that didn’t think it was Biblical to use musical instruments.So you got that gifting in your genes from your dad but tell me about what you call “The barn years.”  You moved out of the city with your husband and your family and there was a piano in the barn, you didn’t have room for it in the house.When you wanted to worship God you would go out to the barn but you told me that sometimes it was freezing and there was no heat in the barn.

Julie:  That’s right and I mean for a long time I did not want anybody to hear me singing so I loved being in a place where I could get away from everybody and…

Sid:Yeah, but you’re so good why didn’t you want anyone to hear you sing?

Julie:I have not ever been good at performing and it was really, you know it was just like getting comfortable talking to God myself and hearing what He saying back to me. And it was just I had to exercise my gift in the secret place you know.

Sid:Okay but that’s one thing, secret place is one thing but going out in freezing temperatures at night playing the piano what possessed you to do that I mean that’s not normal Julie.

Julie:  Well, I really… it is so fun to worship and to sing your heart to God.When you get set free from thinking that you are limited to certain templates, or certain songs, or certain parameters you know, and I love my background.  You mentioned my dad, my dad loves God.He is an amazing, has a amazing heart for God and I grew up listening to hymns and singing hymns and I love that that I have that on my background.You know there comes this time where you want to move on to Psalms and spiritual songs and you know it’s like there’s a place for each one of those things. I guess in my heart, for one thing I was going through some really difficult times and we were living very simply with very few material things and I had lots of things to talk to God about and lots of questions to ask Him.

Sid:Well there’s many of us that have lots of questions but from what I understand you started singing your questions.

Julie:  That’s right.That was an amazing discovery to me that I could just sit down and start playing a simple chord progression and asking God, you know, like one time I was singing this was the first time that this every happened to me I was just singing “Lord why do we have to cry, oh Father God, why do we have to cry?”  And then just in the rhythm of this song that I was making up in the middle of it He just said, “Because My child tears are open up your eyes to me, they open up your eyes.”  And you know I feel like that was what was happening with me that I was when you’re desperate you know you’re a lot more tuned in to what God has to say I think then when you are when everything is going great.  And so anyway it was a growing experience for me in learning how to express myself and how to be still.

Sid:But you know what you had a gift for playing the piano and being a musician, and for singing, but there was a special way of you expressing your gift.If you had just sung regular songs you would have never be doing these CDs that you’re doing today.

Julie:  That’s true yeah I laughed about the fact that it was so hard for me to release my first CD because I was like so… I felt like it didn’t sound like anybody else and it didn’t look like anybody else.Yet it’s like for all of us whatever it is that is unique to us that God has gifted us with it’s that thing that actually makes you different and gives you something different to offer than just being like a cookie cutter person.  And so you know it’s just funny I had to press through that stigma that I had or whatever that I’m supposed to sound like this and I’m suppose to sing like this and you know I should sing these kinds of songs.  And we just went with what seemed to have life in it when we listened back to the live stuff that I had done and it wasn’t the songs that I had written it was the songs in between the songs that I had written so any way yeah I think that’s a really major revelation for my life and it would apply to everybody.

Sid:Well, I want to hear one of the songs that you wrote during those barn days when you were desperate to get closer to God, “He Who Dwells.”

Julie True “He Who Dwells”

Sid:That was Julie True and I have to tell you when you saturate your home, or your car with this music there is an anointing a supernatural peace. I mean she’s literally a stress buster.  People that have problems sleeping, mothers that want their children to sleep they just play this music and next thing they know their sleeping.  People that are sick when, you know stress is the major activator of sickness of all kinds.When you’re in such supernatural peace you don’t have any stress.  So people that are sick should listen to this music.  People that are in hopeless situations, we’re getting reports of those that are listening to her music are getting heavenly visions, they’re able to hear God speaking to them.  They’re getting physically healed, their having some of these traumas that are deep deep that you don’t even think of God just brings it to the surface you get rid of the trauma and you get totally healed.

Sid:  Now I have to ask you a question. When you pray do you absolutely believe God is going to answer your prayer if for no other reason than every time you pray you get an answer to prayer?  If the answer is no but you still persevere through faith wouldn’t it be wonderful if your payers started being answered every time and not twenty years from today but immediately? What if there are some revelation clues, revelation mysteries that would cause God to move on your behalf instantly and you began to see these results.  And when you see it even though you’re supposed to believe before you see it but when you see it it has something to do with building your faith and you could get to a point where every word that comes out of your mouth would be a word of power.  Well my guest is Dr. John Benefiel and he’s Senior Pastor of Church on the Rock in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.  He is also the leader of the Oklahoma Apostolic Prayer Network and that’s made up of 700 churches over 4,000 intercessors.  And He’s been teaching a revelation that has been from what I have been reading some leading Christians are saying that it is the best way to have answered prayer I’ve ever had.  Now John you’re the one that has the most experience praying this way what are you seeing as far as God answering your prayers after you’ve been praying this way as opposed to before?

John: Sid we’ve got wonderful results, some leaders like Peter Wagner says that the results that he hears from the heartland Apostolic Prayer Network which is the prayer network actually that I lead now I have a leader and a network in all 50 states and 42 foreign nations.  He says it’s the most tangible measurable results of high level prayer and spiritual warfare that he’s heard yet in his life.  And so God led us in all of this starting back in 1999, or actually really before that.  And we knew that we were dealing with the ruler of the demons.

Sid: Now who is the ruler of the demons?

John: Well, according to Matthew 12:24 it says “Beelzebub or Beelzebull is the ruler of the demons.”  It used to throw me because I thought that you look it up and it means lord of the flies.

Sid: Right.

John: You look a little bit deeper and you find out that’s simply a variation of the name of Baal or actually Ba-ahl that we actually say here in the United States.  And so Baal I believe because of the scripture is the ruler of the demons. Jesus went on to say “That you needed to bind the strongman in order to plunder his house and get the spoils.”  Well he was naming Baal as the strongman and if he was the strong man then he’s still the strong man now.  And I believe that he’s the strongman over our nation; in my opinion I like to teach it this way that Baal is the false, is the counterfeit of Jesus.  He is the false Jesus or another Jesus as Paul talks about.  And just as Jesus is the executor the Father’s will Baal is the executor of satan’s will.  So if we know that that’s our true enemy and the ruler of the demons then we deal with him but we deal with him in a legal way by approaching the throne of God.  And what we have developed is to approach the throne of God and ask God for a legal decree to divorce us from Baal.

Sid: Now why do we have to be divorced from Baal if we never been using your terminology married to Baal? (laughing)

John: If you look at the book of Jeremiah you’ll find that he talks about being in covenant with the enemy to a large extent Israel broke covenant with God and married or made covenant with him.  When they began to worship Baal and in my contention is that we have worshipped Baal in a lot of ways that we didn’t even understand because Baal is god of a 1000 faces; in other words it’s very well disguised as the enemy you know the enemy appears as an angel of light.  Whoever you worship that becomes your god; even if you do so ignorantly which I believe as Christians that we have done so and so that’s part of what I teach.

Sid: Well you know I’m reminded in a court room you always hear ignorance of the law is no excuse.

John: That’s exactly right and II Corinthians Chapter 2 and verse 11 when Paul said, “Lest satan take advantage of us for we are not ignorant of his schemes.”  So it’s obvious that satan, or Baal, can take advantage of us if we’re ignorant of his schemes.

Sid: Give me some definitions; what does the word Baal really mean?

John: Well, Baal means a lot of things but the simplest way to answer that it means lord, master, the Hebrew word Baal now and not the false god.  But the Hebrew word Baal actually means lord, master, owner, husband.  So the word itself means husband and the Jews actually used that word Baal or Baaleem, the plural of Baal to mean husband.  And then God said, “I don’t want you to call me Baal I want you to call me “My Eeshee which means husband.”  So Baal means owner or possessor or lord or master or husband.”  And so we have to be free of him and I like to say “But you can’t bind the strongman if you don’t know who he is and sure can’t bind him if you’re married to him.”  In 2007 Dutch Sheets did a great teaching on Baal and the need to divorce Baal and remarry the Lord. Really again what this basically is it really is repentance but it’s repentance in a deeper way than maybe we have understood.

Sid: I have to tell you because I’ve looked over your literature I see things that use the terminology Baal has a thousand faces but I’ve seen things that I didn’t even think would apply to me that do.  And so in effect this is what I’m understanding but I want you to put it maybe in better word that when we pray that supernatural prayer that you actually paid an attorney to develop.  It literally gives no place to the evil one to hinder our prayers. Is that correct?

John: That’s very right Sid exactly right, what happened when Dutch Sheets said we need to divorce Baal and remarry the Lord. Immediately I got on the phone and called my attorney friend who’s also one of our leaders of our prayer network and I said, “Jerry draw us up this legal decree of divorce from Baal” I said “I knew he knew how to do it” and he said “I’m already on it” because he was hearing what Dutch said and Jerry was one of our best under stander teachers about Baal; he had a great understanding about it.  So he drew up this legal petition, now does it have to be exactly the way we do it?  Well no of course not but this is a form of prayer approaching the throne of God asking God to grant us legal freedom from Baal.  Now people can say “Yeah but we’re all ready free from the devil by the blood of Jesus,” well I agree with that but if you don’t appropriate what the blood of Jesus has done you don’t enjoy it.  So the enemy uses legal tactics before us, before God’s throne in order to ensnare us. And God I mean I remember hearing Kenneth Copeland years ago say this he said, “You know God has to be just and righteous even to the devil.”  I don’t like that but it’s true. The basis of God’s throne is righteous and justice, so if we’re accused before God’s throne we’ve got to answer that accusation and immediately God will grant what we want.  You know in a natural court you may have a wonderful case but unless you bring your case before the judge in the protocol that the judge sets and in accordance with the law you’re not going to get a favorable ruling.  You may be right, you may be just you may have a really good case but really that’s what effective prayer is, is using the word of God to appeal to God based on His word to grant us what we ask for.

Sid: And then the second phase of the prayer is just as important once you get rid of that stronghold in your life that’s stopping literally God from answering your prayers then you do something called the Writ of Assistance. What is that?

John: Okay, good question you know we were getting so many tangible measureable results from the Baal divorce decree which was very happy about but then I began to think, “But Lord we haven’t seen the amount of wealth transfer yet that I think we ought to see.”  So I gathered together a lot of scriptures on wealth and wealth transfer, again gave them to my attorney friend and I said, “Draw us up a legal decree with this,” because even though we got this just decree, divorce from Baal from the throne of God that doesn’t mean that the enemy is going to lay down and play dead.  You know in a natural court of law when you get a favorable judgment from a judge that most of the time or a lot of times that’s not the end of it. You have to get law enforcement officials involved to enforce the decree of the court and that’s called the Writ of Assistance. And that’s a legal term by the way in real estate especially if you used to dispossess occupants of property and so…

Sid: I got a lot of beings in the invisible world, I would like to evict, is that what you are saying.  (laughing)

John: Exactly, exactly Sid.  We wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers and the invisible realm we have to deal with that.

Sid: So when you pray this prayer and I’m rushing you now because we’re almost out of time, when you pray this prayer what is the legal effect of this prayer when you pray this writ of assistance?

John: It is not only to take away the legal right of enemy to be there but also so release the angels, not praying to angels now, we don’t do that.  But to release the angels to go and bind the strong man of Baal and plunder his house and bring us the spoils.

Sid: Okay I understand that at your church you’ve been having a lot of miracles, my question is “Are you seeing greater results of prayer, greater miracles after you’ve prayed this way as opposed to before you prayed this way?”

John: Absolutely, absolutely because we’re not yelling at the devil, we’re simply taking away his legal right to mess up our lives.

Sid:  Now my guest undermines the myths taught in our public education schools and colleges and universities.  The myths taught in secular media to discount the authenticity of the word of God for the sake of having everyone follow the devil, it’s that simple. Now my guest James Nienhuis has a book and I am so excited about it it’s called “Old Earth Why Not” and he explains myths.  For instance Jim I mean there’s so many areas that people of faith believe but t they don’t have a reasonable explanation so they believe by faith.  But I believe that we’re so close to the return of Jesus that we don’t have to believe by faith there’s enough documentation and evidence, but what about we read about these fossils that are found of these ancient man and the monkeys and all of these forms that actually prove evolution?  I want you to blow that myth out of the water.

James:  Sure, well a monkey is a monkey and a man is man.  Neanderthal man was a man, he was just a guy who lived really old; a really long life.

Sid:  About 3 million years ago or?

James:  Oh about 4,500 years ago you know at the close of the deluge when the ice age kicked in because the oceans after Noah’s flood; after the waters slid off the thickening continents with the rising mountains at that time when Noah’s flood waters slid off those thickening continents into the then deepening ocean basins.  Those were warmer oceans Sid at the close of the deluge because of the fountains of the great deep the Bible speaks of which  broke open to cause the deluge along with the 40 days and 40 nights of rain which was only a small portion of it’ because the deluge you know increased to 150 days.  So with that, when the waters slide off into the deepened ocean basins those warmer waters what did they do; what happens when warm water on a cold day Sid, you see all that steam right?

Sid:  Sure.

James:  That evaporation of warmer oceans to cause the dense cloud cover which must have been for the ice age.  You can’t have an ice age without dense cloud cover and you can’t have dense cloud cover without greater evaporation rates off the water.  So that is proof in and of itself that there was a global deluge which caused the waters to be warmer at the close of the deluge which caused the ice age and the ice age ended when the oceans had cooled to about our temperatures to lessen the evaporation.  But…

Sid:    Wait, wait, wait are you telling me the ice age is not millions of years old?

James:  The guy, let me finish, the guy the men during the ice age like Neanderthal man they lived longer in the descending generations after Noah’s flood as the Bible tells us; you know a couple hundred years old descending longevity.  But those old guys in that cloudy ice age climate got little vitamin D, and that results in rickets. That is the pathology we see in the bone structures of the Neanderthal man.  Lubinow back in the 1850’s the German scientists had discovered everyone of these guys immediately said, he’s a pathologist Sid, he said, “This guy had rickets, but then the Darwinist got hold of it and said, “Oh look, it’s a monkey man and off we go.”

Sid:  Yeah but did they have any scientific evidence based on your studies to date them so old?

James:  Carbon 14.

Sid:  Oh well, how do you explain that?

James:  Well, Carbon 14 presumes to know that the amount of Carbon 14 in the atmosphere back then is essentially what it is today, but since during the ice age as documented  by all the ash in the Arctic icecaps there was much more volcanics going on during the ice age.  Therefore all the Carbon 12 dilute in the carbon dioxide coming out of all those volcanoes, all that Carbon 12 diluted the amount of Carbon 14 in the atmosphere. So it diluted Carbon 14 in the atmosphere, creatures that died back then show exaggerated Carbon 14 dates today when we measure them because of the volcanic that were going during the ice age. But you see the main stream scientists say that the ice age was going on before or after that, so they don’t factor in the reality that these guys were living when the carbon fourteen in the atmosphere is being diluted by all the volcanos.

Sid:  Okay, as long as we’re exposing myths the big thing people and are getting noble prizes for have to do with global warming.

James:  Huh!

Sid:  And I mean this is serious business, the countries really even divided on this issues that want to stop everything and get rid of all of the systems that we have for transportation and make every…otherwise I mean we will speed up the demise of this planet.

James:  Well, first of all let me just throw this out you know China and India with us you know there excluded, so that having been said, “If there actually is global warming atmospheric warming Sid, what does that do to the surface temperature of the ocean?

Sid:   Make it hotter.

James:  And with hotter water like we previously discussed that would make more clouds and it cools it back down you know shady day?

Sid:  That makes sense.

James:  Just picture a shady day with rain that cools down the atmosphere. Now there is; that’s a negative feedback mechanisms Sid, that’s hydrology 101 that none of these people seem to be talking about. And you know, if we are having an upsurge in hurricanes, well that’s predictable.  Those hurricane vents, the eye of the hurricane, those are giant vents venting atmospheric warming up into the stratosphere. So that’s God’s nature’s way of venting any excess heat that’s on the surface.  So it’s a negative feedback mechanism, the whole thing is crazy and you know like I said before let’s get the Chinese and Indians on board with us if we’re going to do it.

Sid:  You know what I don’t understand is the material by Al Gore who’s kind of the point man on this whole issue in England was banned because they said, “It was faulty science.”  Do you agree with them?

James:  Oh, obviously yes.  You know more methane is put out the tail end of cattle then human’s by 10,000 fold…

Sid:  Is that where Rush Limbaugh got it from? Okay. (Laughing)

James:  Yeah, you know it’s completely absurd. Volcanoes you want to talk about carbon dioxide?  When a good volcano or two goes off it makes what we produce pale so the whole thing is I’m afraid really…

Sid:  So what is China and India doing if the theory is correct?

James:  Well, I think they’re bottom line as per in China at least using slave labor and what not, that you know the environment and the health of their people it is not high on their priority list I don’t think.  Nevertheless you know we sit here talking about Europe and America should do while we don’t say anything to China and India so it’s just the theater of the absurd you know.

Sid:  Okay, you have a chapter here that says “Dinosaurs Died out 65 Million Years Ago.”

James:  That’s what they claim.

Sid:  Okay, that’s a myth, you state; why?

James:  Well, because we have a vast sedimentary layers that should have eroded away within 15 million years at current erosion rates, but here they say it’s 65 million years old.  Well, all the continents should have leveled the sea level within 15 million years; so that’s a specious argument in and top of itself.  On top of that they’ve discovered T-Rex bones with skin red blood corpuscles, bone marrow, spongy organic materials Sid, sitting there within sedimentary rock now that should have dissipated over 65 million years.  But obviously…

Sid:  But why haven’t they publicized that, that’s an amazing find.

James: Well, to a degree but it doesn’t get the repeat business like New York Times articles gets though out all the publications throughout the world, you know what I’m saying.  It’s they can say “Well, it made the news,” we thought that it was obvious, not to be emphasized if you want to say that the earth is billions of years old.  It’s not the kind of information you want out there; nevertheless it came from North Carolina State University, Montana State University, mainstream scientists who came upon this spongy organic material in these T-Rex’s bones and they go “Well, well, well isn’t this interesting.”  And to this day they haven’t explained it away they just forced it to go off the radar screen.

Sid:  What about the basic 101 of evolution, “Monkey’s evolved into men.”

James:  Yeah…

Sid:  Why is that not true?

James:  Well, if monkeys were evolving into men, men should be involving in the process of evolving something right now right?  Constant change through time like the Darwinist say and likewise there should be monkey’s that are transiting into humans right now just a little bit slower.  And why are monkey’s still around if we supposedly evolved from them, if we supposedly are better than them?  They should have died out if we evolved from them out of necessity and we’re a superior being, why didn’t they die out?  Why is the alligator still alive after 500 million years?  Why are fish still around as they are in the fossil record from 500 million years ago?  You know the whole thing is a crazy.

Sid:  You know you hit so many different areas in your book I don’t know where to start, where to stop, but real quick you have a problem with Israel being called Palestine, why is that?

James:  (Laughing) Well, you know Palestine the ever generous Alexander the Great is the name that was bestowed on Israel when he conquered Israel. Actually Israel surrendered you know they saw that the Phoenicians were going down and the expedient thing to do is to just say okay big boy.  But anyway so when Alexander took over in about 330 BC he names it Israel, Palestine.  Named after Philistines, arch rivals of the Israelis at the time of David 1000 BC; now the Philistines lived down in the Gaza area.

Sid:  Oh this is too good to rush – we’re out of time today we’ll pick up here on tomorrow’s broadcast.

Sid:  My guest, David Herzog is going to mentor you on walking in the supernatural, in particular the glory of God.  Now a Jewish person’s right by inheritance according to Romans is of the Jew, is the glory so when they encounter the glory of God for the first time in their life the spiritual scales totally melt.  Now David Herzog you always wondered a question; I want you to answer that question today, “How did God make something out of nothing?”

David:  Awesome question, I found this out that basically He really didn’t make anything out of nothing; He made it out of something, but it’s invisible.  So there’s invisible things that are things you just can’t see them.   Because I always thought “How could you make something out of nothing and how can I explain that in my class in high school, they’ll mock me; I don’t even understand it?” One day God said to me, “Well no actually I used invisible ingredients to make visible substance.”  The two ingredients that are invisible that God used if you look in Genesis 1 “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth,” number one you can say the Spirit or the presence or the glory began moving over the waters.  So you can’t see the wind, you can’t usually see the Spirit of God or the presence of God; but it’s a real substance.”  And the second thing that He created He put sound; you can’t see sound but it’s a real solid object, scientist confirmed so, sound is solid like a rock but it’s just small.  And when sound and glory come together it creates visible substance like a laser light and sound.  So when you get in God’s glory, which it’s invisible for most people and then you speak a word of knowledge that God shows you but that’s also invisible, those two invisible substances when they bond together creates a visible miracle.  Like in the glory I’ll say “There’s a lot of body parts floating around this place, in the name of Jesus I declare tumors go or weight loss, and as I’m saying that my invisible word will attach itself to that body part that I see in the glory realm that invisible and when it attaches suddenly you can see it, you can see the gold tooth, you can see the hair growing.  So basically when you’re in the glory your body parts there in the glory, but to extract it from the invisible to the visible realm many times it’s a faith, but a word of knowledge will do that.  Inside every body part there’s atoms; inside the atoms you go smaller and smaller it’s a sound wave; that sound wave in every body part has the ability to hear and respond to human voice commands.  The Bible talks about that, Jesus spoke to a fig tree, He spoke to wind and waves; and scientists have confirmed it recently that they’ll speak to water particles or different atoms different atomic particles and they’ll actually respond to even a scientist.  How much more us that have God’s glory and authority and we’re saved; we have authority and dominion over even body parts.

Sid:  In your book “Glory Invasion” the revised version you talk about how people are translated in the Bible to one place and they find themselves in another place, or times is compressed.  Someone does a two hour trip and it takes five minutes.  How is that done and give me one example in your life.

David:  Okay, first how it’s done when you’re in the glory God begins to bend time, so let’s say if you had a piece of paper and you took one edge of paper as point A and the other edge of papers is point B.  That’s your distance of travel.  And then above that paper you can’t see the invisible the air let’s say, that the glory.  In the glory there is no time, so say you are driving your car and you got a three hour drive like it would happen to me, and all of a sudden I’m worshipping and as I’m worshipping the glory, the invisible realm comes on my car, in the glory there’s no time.  And point A and point B if you fold that paper suddenly become the same location, so in the glory time is bent what normally would take three hours can be done in a couple of seconds, miracles instantly, weight loss normally would take thirty, normally to lose thirty pounds would take all kinds of exercise and dieting for months, suddenly in a split second they lose thirty pounds.

Sid:  You know I heard something really outrageous you recently spoke at an event that a friend of mine also spoke at and he checked with the pastor when they took up the offering every time they counted the offering it got bigger.  And they said, they did it right each time, but it was supernatural; was that in the glory?

David:  What had happen was, the meeting before that when the miracles were flowing I began to decree over the offerings to multiply, I told people to check their purses.  And people one after the other begin coming up and saying “I just gave all my money away in the offering and look what happened, the money began multiplying.”  And people, individual people during the service they kept coming up, I told them to come up and another person said, “I gave everything but $2.00 now I have all these $20s” and so that happened during the meetings when we were having the miracles.  And then at the end of the conference the organizer came to tell me what you just told me that you know the money kept coming, I told the testimony where it happened to us several times and I think he tried to do the same by faith to see if it would happen and I think an angel or the Holy Spirit told him, “Count it again.”  And he said, “Lord it’s so much, I counted it already.”  So he counted it and I had done that last offering the last night when that thing happened and something was on that offering and he kept counting it 3 or 4 times and it kept growing and growing and growing.  Just like the testimony that I had given that had happened to me in another crusade that we did.  So it’s amazing…

Sid:   Well but tell me about that one because I would like that to happen for our people that are listening right now; so there’s power in the testimony; tell me what happened.

David:  Exactly, so I was in Paris, France I did our crusade, I don’t like to use crusade but that’s what they call it, a large meeting with a lot of people getting saved; let’s call it that.  And I rented a big, big building it’s the same building like Benny Hinn would use or the Argentinean revivalist or you know John Arnott, or Morris Cerrillo, this was a big building that rent for these guys when they come to Paris.  So I just rented it by myself, the Lord said, “Do it, Ruth Heflin prophesied it.”  I give the guy a check, I say “Here’s a check, don’t cash it until Monday.”  Now I don’t recommend you do this, but I did this because this is where I was at the time.   And glory came, everything was great, miracles, signs and wonders.  But by the time we counted the offering it was not near enough to pay the building and I had already given a check and I said, “Oh my gosh Lord, I’m in trouble here I thought you told me to do this.”  And the Lord said, “If I can do miracles by decree I can do money miracles by decree, it’s the same thing but aim it at the money.”  So I commanded the money to multiply and then I told the counters to “Count it again and count it several times and keep commanding the money every time you recount it.”  And I got a call from them and they said, “You won’t believe David we counted and it doubled, we counted it, it tripled, we counted and it quadrupled.”  And then it was more than enough and then they stopped and I guess they should have kept going and then we had more than enough to even reserve for the next crusade.

Sid:  What would happen if you pray for money to be multiplied right now, what would happen?

David:  God could do it, especially here’s the secret though it they’re givers.  You know when you sow it multiplies so that’s the secret if you’re a giver it’ll multiply.

Sid:  Okay, someone that has just given some money is listening to us right now.

David:  Yes.

Sid:  I would like you to pray that there be a multiplication in the glory.

David:  Yes, Lord, I just decree and I can feel and know that this glory realm is here and those that are listening and they’ve been giving and I decree over that money to multiply supernaturally, to appear even in places they never thought it would even in their bank accounts and their wallets.  I decree also huge, huge, huge financial miracles involving properties, business, contracts.  There’s someone listening and they’re about to lose their business but God’s about to give them a huge, huge contract.  I see anywhere between one half a million dollars to several million dollars.  I just decree that right now in Jesus name, properties to see that they couldn’t sell for a higher price than they thought they would get.  And just favor with their jobs, anything involving finances I decree supernatural miracles, multiplication and favor Father God.  We thank you and release it; angels that operate in the area of provision over them right now in Jesus name.

Sid:  And we might as well release the angels that get rid of pain right now because pain of all kinds especially in the hands, pain in the hands from carpal tunnel to arthritis in the fingers to any wrist problems, pain in the hand is gone in Jesus name.  And pain in the back is gone in Jesus name.  In the hip…

David:  In the back.

Sid:  Yeah, yeah especially David I think if you pray for the sacroiliac now it will go into place, pray it right now.

David:  I command the sacroiliac to go back into place and I see also the disk in the lower backs, the L3, 6 and 9 those particular ones going right back into place right now in Yeshua’s name.

Sid:  David you said you have been supernaturally transported in the Spirit, briefly tell me about that.

David:  Oh yeah several times, one of the famous ones I like to tell is the one when I was in Paris driving to Belgium a three hour drive Friday night, my car breaks down because I put the wrong gas, I put regular instead of diesel.  So got it towed, got it emptied, got the right gas in it worked, that was a miracle, but now it’s 7:30 and my meeting was ½ hour ago and I have a three hour drive so I’m not going to make it.  So I call the pastor and I say I’m so sorry tonight I’ll come at the end of the meeting about 10:30 or 11:00 just greet the people and I’ll continue tomorrow.  So I get in the car I begin worshipping it’s me and Jesus just having a good time, I’m not worrying about the traffic because I’m not preaching in my mind.  And then the glory gets stronger and stronger and I feel lighter and in 45 minutes of this kind of worshipping suddenly in a split second I’m in Belgium.  And I pull up in front of the church at 8:15.  It’s impossible in the natural and the worship is still going on and Pastor couldn’t believe it, he said “How did you get here did you take a helicopter?”  And we realized I had been transported we looked at it it is logistically impossible even if you were speeding as fast as you could go you couldn’t do it in forty-five minutes, it’s a three hour drive.  And it was bumper to bumper traffic Friday night between the two countries, so that was the first time.  Another one was an eight hour trip across the whole country of France and we were worshipping, and suddenly two hours into the trip we were suddenly there so again it didn’t take two hours to get transported it took two hours to get into a realm of glory where we could get transported in a split second.

Sid:  You know David so many prophets that are friends of mine are prophesying horrible things that are going to be happening economically, and morally, and everything you can imagine in the United States of America.  But guess what walking in the glory realm and proclaiming what God tells you trumps no matter what’s going to happen in America.

David:  Exactly, it’s your safety net, I mean imagine if you knew something evil was coming your way or someone was coming to get you or persecution and you had the faith that God could transport you in that split second to another…

Sid:  Woops, we’re out of time.

Sid:  My guest David Herzog is going to help equip you to have signs and wonders outrageous signs and wonders. David before we get into some of your teaching on the glory which is just revolutionary for most people.  There was a point in your life where you took a quantum leap in walking in God’s glory and it has to do with an association with someone that I also knew, tell me about that.

David:  Yeah, after the six month revival I had in Paris, France where it was the longest running revival it was awesome; I still felt like I was missing something and yet I was preaching on the glory, I had seen a measure and I was so desperate again I took time off and I said, “God I’m going to quit this revival because I want something even greater.”  And I felt that the Lord told me to do it, if I would give up the good I would get the best, so I gave up the revival, stopped preaching in that six month revival, sought the Lord, “God I’m so desperate,” and He told me to go to several places and one of them was Ruth Heflin, to meet with Ruth Heflin at her camp, and something new would happen to me.  And again I had been seeking the Lord and praying and fasting, just hungry and I went up there, walked in and she had heard about me by this time, she had heard about the revival in France.  She said that revival was an answer to her forty day fast that she had done in France when she was in France years before.  And I said to her, “It’s an honor to meet you, I can’t wait to hear your minister tonight in the glory.”  And she looked at me and said, “No, you’re going to minister tonight,” and I said, “No, no, no, no I’m really hungry, I’m desperate, I want what you have, I don’t want what I have.”  She said, “No, the Lord’s telling me you need to minister,” so I obeyed, she’s a prophetess so right you obeyed.  I went up and I just began to minister and then suddenly this glory invaded me from Heaven that I never sensed  before, and that she knew somehow if I would get to that pulpit and minister God would shift my anointing to higher glory.  And I sang two chapters of the Bible, I would have this whole sermon prepared and instead I got so wasted in the glory I didn’t know what I was doing, I was singing my whole message basically.

Sid:  Had you ever done anything like that before?

David:  No, because it wasn’t planned, I got up there and I said, “What am I doing” and I was so full of joy and glory and I began singing Isaiah 60 and 61 and it was crazy. Then at that moment signs and wonders just began to hit people, of course the gold dust, I was covered with gold dust and so were other people.

Sid:  Now when you say covered in gold dust I’ve seen the gold dust on people, but I’ve also seen some people that were really covered in gold dust.  Do you really mean covered?

David:  Oh not, 100% I know people that have been really covered, when you can’t even see their face.

Sid:  Right.

David:  It wasn’t like that, it wasn’t like some people we’ve seen, but it was I mean my face was full of gold dust and my hands and then people were getting it.  And then healings were just flowing, even deliverances were happening and everything was effortless, it was just effortless, it’s almost like you would just think it and it would start happening.

Sid:  Now once you get into that gear do you stay in it, or do you slip back and then you have to do something to get back to that being able were ever you minister for the glory to come?

David:  It depends, once you’ve had that realm, once you’ve got in there it’s like a muscle your spirit remembers how to get back there.  It’s like weight lifting, if some guy weight lift in high school, they’ll stop for ten years and when they go back within a few days they can bench what took them three years to bench.  So your spirit man has a memory so like once I hit that realm I was like that for about three full days and then it subsided a little bit when I went back to Arizona for a little bit to see relatives and family but as soon as I started sometimes you don’t realize it’s on you your praying everyday like you use to pray.  I notice right now that I’ll pray every day and I feel the glory, but I don’t realize how strong the glory is on me; I’ll go to the grocery store and someone will just get knocked out in the spirit an unsaved person and they’re like “Who are you, what is this thing around you?”  So sometimes your use to a certain level and you don’t even realize what’s on you.

Sid:  What do you, I asked people this often, because I’m curious?  What is a normal prayer time for you?  What do you do during your normal prayer time?

David:  Yeah, the first thing I do is praise and worship God.  I just I found a secret that when you praise and worship that attracts the presence of God and usually your…

Sid:  Now do you usually play music or nor necessarily when you praise and worship God?

David:  I usually do it without music, acappella just go out in the mountains and pray; now I have you know there is such good music out there that I’ll use a lot of times just different praise and worship.  But the secret I found is mostly what we learned from Ruth Heflin is you praise first, you do the fast.  Normally you break through praise songs and once there’s a point you don’t feel like shouting and dancing you got into intimate slow worship songs and that, right that pattern praise and then worship brings in the presence and the glory gets thicker and thicker and thicker.  Then I’ll begin to…I just don’t ask God for things, I will begin to decree things that He’s already told me.  Lord you said this so I declare that this is happening now.

Sid:  But you don’t do that until the glory realm hit’s your presence, am I right?

David:  Well yeah, I always explain it this way you went to the bank to ask for a loan and the loans officer was late and your sitting in a chair with an empty chair in front of you you’re not going to start talking to the chair in front of you and say “Well, I’m in a hurry so here’s my request.”  It’s smarter to wait until the presence of the person you want to talk to is there before you talk to him.

Sid:  And once that presence is there which comes from your worship you then proclaim things has told you or just things that you see promises in the word?

David:  Both, most people have certain things that they feel God’s told them for their destiny or day to day things or they’re always like “Lord, please do this that you said you would do.”  And I found out actually that’s not the best way to pray begging because you know we’re not beggars so he doesn’t answer those as well; but we’re kings.  So king rules by decreeing things, so I would just say “Lord I know that you said this so I decree in Jesus name that this nation opens up or these souls be saved or this government, this president that you told me I have a word for a door will open, I declare it to be open now.”  And I notice that when I do that angels just whoosh they just take off and start working it out.  So you would decree things that you already know God’s told you or and it’s usually backed by the word, and it’s got to be backed by the word of God.  Or if you’re sick in your body I don’t as much if you ever get attacked with sickness, I don’t as much ask God to heal me as I do command my body to be healed because Jesus already said he paid the price to heal us so I don’t need to ask Him, “Would you please heal me, He already wants to, you just go straight for the healing.”

Sid:  Well, correct me if I’m wrong, but do you like talk to your body, is that what you do when the body needs healing?

David:  Totally, yeah.

Sid:  So it’s not a pray you actually are talking to your body, your saying “Body get in line.” I mean do you ever get really rough with it with your words?

David:  Yeah.

Sid:  What would you do if your body had diabetes, how would you handle it, what would you do say?

David:  Oh, I would get in the presence of God’s glory and I would speak to my blood and I would say, and I would take communion and when you take communion you can tap into the DNA of God’s blood of Jesus blood line.  I say “I tap into the bloodline of Jesus and I would say take, this is My body, this is My blood Jesus said.”  And it says too that “Those who do this will never die” so I tap into the resurrection life and you start decreeing and I would worship get in the glory, speak to the body, take communion and ask for my blood to be completely resurrected with the blood of Jesus.  And that’s a whole another teaching on the DNA of God, but that’s what I would do every day until that thing broke.

Sid:  Tell me one person that was dead that came to life by a proclamation in the glory.

David:  I was in Africa preaching in a crusade and I got up to speak and the Lord said to me, “I want you to announce that there’s a woman that’s come from the hospital, her daughter was dying when she left the hospital, but announce that she’s already dead.”  And I said “Lord that’s so hard to say,” He said, “Just do it, you’ll know why later.”  So I announced, “Is there anybody here that came from the hospital your father’s dying?”  A woman comes up and says “That’s me, that’s me.”  Well unfortunately the Lord told me to tell you t that she’s dead.  And she begins weeping and wailing and then I said, “Now what Lord?”  He said, “Now raise her back from the dead, command her to come back from the dead.”  But I said, “I’m in the crusade, he said, “There’s no distance in my glory.”  Just like the Roman Centurion told Jesus, “Just speak and my servant will be healed.”  So I began to point toward the direction of the hospital, “I asked them what direction is it?”  And I just began to command her spirit to come back in her body and then kept preaching and had a great crusade and a lot of salvations and miracles.  She gets back and the doctor said to her “We told you not to leave mam that you would miss her dying, you would miss seeing your daughter go and when you left she died; but a certain hour which was the hour I was declaring it to come back in, the sheet began to move, they had covered her with a sheet and they looked and she had come back from the dead.”

Sid:  Are we going to be seeing more and more dead coming back to life as we get closer to the return of Jesus?

David:  Not only are we going to see more dead we’re going to go into a mass resurrection, just like healing use to be one on one healing.  Then we heard about mass healings or mass deliverances.

Sid:  So someone is going to go in the morgue and guy is going to go out of the business, the morgue business?

David:  Yeah, the morgue guy will probably just start preaching.

Sid:  [Laughing] It reminds me of some people I’ve interviewed have gone to deaf schools in Africa and every deaf person gets their hearing back; I often wonder what does the school do?  [Laughing]

David:  What they do is they learn how to heal the sick and just go to all… they just make their ministry healing all the sick people around the world.

Sid:  Okay, Mishpochah it’s time since God is not a respecter of persons for you to walk in everything God has for you.  Remember David as a young man said, “God there’s got to be something more.”  Some of you have prayed that prayer, that’s why David has written his revised book called “Glory Invasion” in which he’s going to tell you what the glory is, how your finances, miracles, creative miracles, can be increased in the glory.  How you can minister in the glory, how to be a carrier of the glory, how to remove all the limits in your life so you’ll be able to operate in the glory.  How to pray from your heavenly seat, what a revelation that alone is worth the book.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. It’s so good to have a studio audience. My guest, David Herzog, his father is Jewish. And at 13, he had a Bar Mitzvah like no Bar Mitzvah you’ve ever seen. It wasn’t fountain pens. It wasn’t all a big party. He had a visitation from the Messiah of Israel and he was commissioned to teach on the Glory. He understood by going to Heaven what the Glory or the manifest presence of God, is—when God invades a place. He got revelation of this and he’s known, it’s interesting. It was…the word “glory” was mentioned in his visitation and that’s what he’s known for teaching throughout the world. When he teaches on the Glory, and I can tell you I’m an eye witness to this, this isn’t second hand. I literally was sitting in front of a woman with grey hair and all of a sudden I saw brown hair start just radiating from her. Throughout the course of the night it was turning browner and browner. I have seen people lose weight instantly in this glory realm. People, now this I haven’t seen, but I got reports of people that did not have hair, hair would come out. People that had metal in their body, the metal would turn to bone. David Herzog, now this is absolutely ridiculous. We have in the studio audience a man that had a meeting just a couple of weeks ago, invited you to speak and they kept adding up the total of the offering they took. And the reason they kept adding it up is it kept getting larger. This should not happen.

DAVID: It’s a great problem to have when you have to keep counting.

SID: I mean, how would you like to count your money every night and see it multiply. Are there any accountants out there? That will blow your mind. So David, tell me this encounter you had at Bar Mitzvah age.

DAVID: I was 13 years old at this youth camp and they said, “Who wants the Holy Spirit?” I said, “I do. I do.”

Man 1: Alright then, guys, let’s get up and walk this way.

DAVID: I ran up there, waiting in the line. And this guy in front of me starts crying before we got to the front to get prayer. And I said, “Why are you crying? Does it hurt?” He goes—

“No. It feels great.”

DAVID: I thought it hurt because he was crying.

Boy: It feels great.

DAVID: Why would a guy cry unless it hurts. So I waited. Suddenly this warmth came on my body and I started crying, and I felt this pure liquid love. And suddenly I was taken to Heaven and I saw the thrones of God, I saw the Father, the son. And suddenly this voice came out and said, “You’re going to travel for my glory.” And I was just, I think all night I was praying in tongues, which is a foreign language from Heaven, and I couldn’t stop praying. And I knew from that day something changed my life when I saw Heaven.

SID: Tell me the first miracle of note that occurred after this experience.

DAVID: I was asked to teach a little group of young people. They were like maybe seven or eight years old on a Sunday morning. So I taught them from this manual that they gave me. I got kind of bored teaching from the manual. So I kind of went off the script. And I said, “Listen, kids, let’s just pray for someone that’s sick. Don’t tell the pastor because I might get in trouble. But let’s just pray and see what happens. Don’t tell him I didn’t follow the weekly thing because they might not like that.” And so a little girl comes out and says, “Look at my leg, it’s so short compared to the other one. I’ve got scoliosis.” And I said, “Sure, let’s pray for that and see what happens.” And I closed my eyes, and my first miracle, and her leg instantly began to grow out, and the kids began screaming, “Look at her leg!” And I opened my eyes and her leg had grown out, but I had missed watching my first miracle.

SID: That’s okay. You’ve had many since. So David literally goes to Bible school and then he hears God tell him to go to France. Now I have to tell you, if I was picking countries, no offense for those watching us right now in France, I would not have picked France. That is a graveyard for people that talk about God. And so David, no one knows him, would you believe he had the longest standing revival move of God’s spirit in France in 50 years. But he had to get a revelation from God on how to have this move of God’s spirit in this graveyard, so to speak. What did God tell you?

DAVID: I remember when that revival hit right before I said, “God, I’m so desperate. I’m so hungry.” I took time off. I began to seek the Lord, to pray. But one of the things God showed me when I was in France, I said, “Lord, how do we touch this country? It’s so hard.” He said to me, I went on a fast, and He said during the fast, “Here’s the secret. You do what Paul did.” Paul was the expert on touching the Roman Empire, which is Europe. He said, “He went to the Jew first.” And He says, “I go to the Jew first to make them jealous and win some of them.” And in return God would magnify His ministry to the gentiles. It says it right there: “I magnify my ministry to the gentiles by making the Jews jealous and saving some.” So I went to Israel. I led 13 people to the Lord. When I got back I had non-stop revivals for the next five years every single week.

SID: What types of things did you see happen?

DAVID: Crazy things. In that revival a girl was picked up off the ground 13 centimeters, lifted and floated in the air. During the revival she was weeping for souls. She flipped over like a pancake and she was heavyset, too, a heavy-weight girl, so it was even a bigger miracle. And she stayed there for a few seconds, went back down on the ground. At that moment—

SID: Wait a second. If she was 90 pounds that would have been a big miracle.

DAVID: And at that moment all these young people ran up to be saved and demons are coming out of them. And that launched that six-month revival, which was the longest running in 50 years in one place.

SID: When we come back you’re going to find out how everything speeds up in the Glory. You’re going to find out, as a matter of fact, I believe that some of you are going to actually, and I’m hearing it, are going to get gold teeth from Heaven. Has this happened in many of your meetings?

DAVID: It happens almost every week.

SID: Hold that thought. We’ll be right back.