SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Darren Wilson, Darren was literally commissioned by God to travel the world and capture the miraculous. I tell you one of my favorite things that I saw on your video Darren was when you went with Jason Westerfield out on the campus of Yale University; tell me about that.

DARREN: Yeah well I was actually told by a friend that I trust that I gotta meet this guy, Jason Westerfield, in Connecticut, so I went there, I had one day with him, I had never met him before and we went to the heart of Yale University’s campus. And while we were there Jason just had a really powerful experience with the Lord and he kind of was you know, having this experience and I’m off to the side waiting patiently for him to stop having this experience so we could go film, and afterwards he came up and he was relating to me some of the things that he saw, and I said wow, that’s pretty neat that you know, you had that happen to you. Meanwhile I was very bored. So then he looked at me kind of strange. I have since talked to him and I asked him why he did this and he said the Lord told him to do it. So he looked at me and he said, “You want to see into the spiritual realm?” And I said, “Sure, hit me with your best shot.” And so he says, “Take off your glasses.” So I took my glasses off and he put his hands on my eyes and he said a real simple prayer, he said, “Lord open his eyes and let him see.” And he still had his hands on my eyes and he said to me, he is like, “Now Darren, just so you know when I take my hands off of your eyes you are going to see into the spiritual realm, so don’t get too freaked out.” And so I am like okay. And so he takes his hand off my eyes and he said, “Now look up there between those two chimneys, and I look up there and there was these little poppy like sparkly firecrackers going off in the sky, saw them with my bare eyes. And I am putting my glasses back on and what is this? And it opened up like a banner.

SID: Now it wasn’t just through the power of suggestion?

DARREN: No, no I am seeing these things pop out, it is like the fourth of July in the sky, and I said, “What is that?” And he says, “That’s the glory of God,” he says, “That’s the glory realm of the supernatural.” And I’m like, “Holy cow.” And so he points down the alleyway, and he said, “Look they are down there.” And I look in the shadows and they are popping off in the shadows. And this is just blowing my mind. And so he said, “Oh, turn around and look.” And I turned around, and keep in mind five minutes before this happened I was bored out of my mind and so I am like just walking around, we are in a big huge courtyard, and I know what the courtyard looked like five minutes before, and so I turned around and half of the courtyard is covered in this like thick fog, and the other half there is no fog.

SID: Is there any natural explanation?

DARREN: No, no, unless somebody, unless those firecrackers were, I don’t know. But no, so I said, “What is that?” And he said, “That’s the glory cloud, that is the cloud of God’s presence.” It was the most, it was the strangest thing that has ever happened to me, I mean I was so shocked, I remember I picked up my camera, never even thought to hit record or anything like that, and we were, we walked out of the courtyard and we hit the street, and one of the guys that was with us said, “Look down the street,” So we looked down and the cloud was following us and the whole street is covered in this fog.

SID: Now when you were commissioned by an angel to document the supernatural you didn’t expect to be living it, did you?

DARREN: Didn’t expect to be living it, no, I thought I was just the messenger, so at that point that was when Jason said, he was like, “Well God is here so now we can pretty much do whatever we want.”

SID: I would like to see a clip from the film of the homeless man, what did you think of that particular clip?

DARREN: That was, it is probably my favorite part of the movie, it is the, I remember at this point this is actually the one-year anniversary of when I started filming the movie, I knew when I was shooting it that it was going to be the end of my film, I knew it. And it was midnight and we were heading home and this homeless guy walked up to us and he was an absolute stereotype, everybody has met this guy, you know smells, he is limping, he is asking for money, and you know Jason said, told him, it was like I’ll give you some money but first I want to give you something better.

SID: Let’s take a look at that right now.

Announcer: I was with my friend Jason Westerfield and we were heading home when a homeless man approached us, he was a stereotype, he smelled, wouldn’t look us in the eye, he had a limp and he was asking for money. Jason told him he would give him some money but first he wanted to give him something better. So first he prayed for the man’s back, which he had been complaining about. Then he prayed for his leg. And I just sat there and stared at this man. He had no one, owned nothing, was a homeless bum living on the streets, what was happening to him right now? What was God going to do to show him he loved this man? And that is when I knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt, this man was going to be healed, not through anything Jason was doing, or Heidi, or Dennis, or Bill, or whoever, but through the love that God had for this man. He wasn’t homeless; he was a prince. He wasn’t broken; he was made whole.

Man: It feels much better.

Jason: Feels much better, how you doing?

Man: Good.

Jason: This is William, look at you, feel lighter?

Man: Yeah.

Jason: Those weights are gone and God healed you right there and God healed your neck and back and you look better, you look like, your face looks normal now.

Man: Yeah, thank you very much.

Jason: God does work miracles, he loves you, God set you up tonight to be right here, you thought you were coming for silver and gold, some money, but the Lord said, “Hey, I got something better for you.” He will give you that but he wanted to bless you tonight. You are his son; he loves you.

Man: I appreciate everything.

Jason: Yeah, God bless you.

Man: Love you guys.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here still trying to do an interview with Kathie Walters. You’d think it’s so easy. You come here and do it. But tell me about this. I’m so fascinated with this angel change that took resonance in your house for three and a half weeks. Tell me about it.

KATHIE: Okay. One Sunday night, I was watching a movie. My friend was doing some ironing. And it’s a good lesson here, because while I was watching the movie, out of the corner of my eye I saw a light. Well hello, most people have seen the Light. But I turned to see what the light was. So when I looked around there was one of the biggest angels I ever saw in my life, right there in my living room. And he had a little like a jug with a long spout, a jug of oil. And the next thing, he was standing behind me, and he poured this oil over my head, went over my head, my front, my arms. It really felt like a river. And the next minute, I slid out of the sofa and I sat on the floor.

SID: I can picture that.

KATHIE: So my missionary friend, who’s ironing, said, “What are you doing?” So I said, “Can’t you see that angel?” So she said, “No, but I can smell oil.” So I scooted over and I said, “Sit there.” So she sat there. He poured the oil, she slid out the sofa onto the floor. Well then she went down to my office and there were some people working the Bible codes. She said, “There’s an angel! There’s an angel!” So they came running up. They took turns. They sat on the sofa and he poured the oil. They fell out of the sofa. Well the word got around, I guess, my little town, and people were calling me for three and a half weeks, saying, “Can we come and sit on the sofa?”

SID: Okay, well wait a second, Kathie. It’s okay to slide out off when the angel does this. But what’s on with these people?

KATHIE: Well I’m going to explain that afterwards, okay? I’m going to explain that.

SID: Okay. You’re going to have to, you’re going to force me to wait. All right.

KATHIE: Yeah. Because I have to tell you the other bit first. So the angel came. Whoever sat there, he poured this oil and they’d fall out of the sofa onto the floor. If you sat at the other end, nothing happened because he stayed right there for three and a half weeks. And suddenly, he left. Now, people said to me, “What was that all about?” And I said, “Well I didn’t do it. I don’t know.” But I noticed that everyone I knew that came and sat on that sofa, the angel poured the oil over the next few weeks, they received a major life direction changing word for their life, that changed the course of their life or ministry. So that angel anointed them for change.

SID: You know, Kathie–

KATHIE: Anointed for change.

SID: There’s very little talk about angels. Some people are actually afraid of them. Some are worried that there will be angels that aren’t from God. I personally love your teaching. I listen to your teaching on “Faith in Angels” on your CD, and your booklet, “Angels Watching Over You.” What kind of feedback are you getting on people that sit in the seminar on angels? I mean, are they still observers or are they participating in the supernatural?

KATHIE: No. The whole point is that I teach the supernatural of angels and heavenly visitations, that’s for everybody. That’s supposed to be a normal part of life. It’s not just for me or you, or a few special people. That’s our inheritance. There’s angels appointed to everyone. People do have religious concepts about angels, which God is getting rid of. And people have this fear, like you said, oh maybe this angel is not from God. But you see, if an angel came in here today and wanted us to worship him, I think we’d know he wasn’t from God.

SID: Of course.

KATHIE: It doesn’t take a great deal of discernment. So God’s angels wouldn’t let you worship them anyway. So it’s not an issue, is it? So there’s angels that come to minister to you personally, like He says in Hebrews, “They sing to you.” And there’s also angels appointed to our ministry. They minister with us.

SID: You told me about someone was getting up to speak and you saw a change of one angel with another angel, I think it was.

KATHIE: Yeah.

SID: Tell me about that.

KATHIE: Okay. That was really interesting. And I was at a Gwen Shaw conference. And I saw the angel overlooking this meeting, Gwen Shaw’s meeting, and he was just watching from the balcony. And I said to the Lord, “Who’s that?” And He said, “That’s the angel over this ministry and he operates under the Archangel Michael, who’s over Jerusalem.” But all of a sudden, Gwen Shaw announced Ruth Heflin is gonna speak. Then I saw the angel over Gwen Shaw’s ministry move over to the other side of the balcony, and another angel came and stood there. And he was like this cloud of light golden glory, like the figure of a man. And I thought, what is he doing? And then Ruth Heflin ministered and she left, and that angel left. And that was the angel over her ministry who watched over the meeting while Ruth was ministering. ‘Cause then the other one came back.

SID: That is phenomenal. And the thing that is most phenomenal is that everybody has an angel and everyone can move in the supernatural.

KATHIE: Yes. That’s true.

SID: In fact Kathie, I would like you to pray for the spiritual scales come off the eyes of those that are viewing right now and move in the supernatural. Would you do that?

KATHIE: Yeah. Can I just say something else?

SID: Sure.

KATHIE: If you are near a Bible or something, you can hold it up, you know, because everything in here is for you. Everything in this book is your inheritance for you. So I tell people to lift this up and say, “Mine! This is mine.” You have to say it, “It’s mine!” Not a few special people. So yeah, I will pray that people get that revelation. And you can’t just, you know, think, well this is interesting. Yes. No, it’s not interesting. It’s for you. So you have to be convinced of it. And I’ll pray people will see that.

SID: Do that right now.

KATHIE: Father, in the name of Yeshua, in the name of Jesus, Lord, I just pray for that Spirit of revelation to come into the homes, into the offices, wherever people are watching. And Lord, I pray that revelation will come that this is for you. This is for me. It’s mine. The angels, the heavenly visitations, the chariots of God, the supernatural realm is our inheritance for every single believer. I just pray for releasing of that, that people will get it, and not just think of it as something to write a note about, and to get it in their lives and start to declare, this is my inheritance and this is my experience. Amen.

SID: Kathie, you prayed about chariots. Explain what they are. I know what they are. But do

explain.

KATHIE: Okay. Well I’ve often seen in the meetings, I’ve seen God’s chariots moving around.

SID: Did they look like Roman chariots with horses and–

KATHIE: The chariots seem to manifest slightly different to different people, because, you know, we’re all individuals, and He ministers to you personally. So I’ve seen, I begin to see a lot of wheels sometimes in the meetings. And I tell people, “God’s chariots are here. You can go in them. Just by faith you have to see them, and then you can go in them, and God will take you places.”

SID: And then you have supernatural experiences in other parts of the world.

KATHIE: Yeah. He loves, God loves to show you what He’s doing in other places.

SID: Does he ever take you up to the Throne Room?

KATHIE: Yeah, sometimes I’ve been into Heaven. Like everyday for three and a half weeks I was in Heaven. Another time, everyday for seven days I was in Heaven. But He usually takes me to a lot of nations and shows me different moves, different things that are happening. But that’s not, see, that’s for everybody. You just have to believe it.

SID: Kathie, very quickly, what would you say to the person that is almost a nervous wreck right now? They’re so upset over all this supernatural stuff we’re talking about. What would you say to them?

KATHIE: Why are you upset? [laugh]

SID: [laugh]

KATHIE: Why would you be upset? I think it would be wonderful news.

SID: I have to tell you, it’s normal. It’s about time the world becomes normal. I personally wish and I believe, and I’ve prayed that prayer with Kathie, I believe that I’m gonna have many, many angelic encounters. I’m not looking for them. But I believe I’m going to Heaven, because they’ve been sent to minister to those who are heirs of salvation. And we are heirs. You are an heir of salvation. And however, I’ve only seen an angel a couple of times. But I have some good news for you. I experience the presence of God, God Himself living inside of me 24/7. That’s even better than angels. God, the Creator of the Universe, living inside of me 24/7, and I’m aware of it. I am never alone. Look, if God is for you, who can be against you? I mean, I read the papers like you, and I see all the things that are horrible, that are going on, on the Earth. If I have God, the Creator of Universe that loves me so much, and here’s the good news, He loves you as much as He loves me. All you have to do is get to know Him. Get beyond religion. Say, “Jesus, I make you Lord.”

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Can ancient secrets of the supernatural be rediscovered? Do angels exist? Is there life after death? Are healing miracles real? Can you get supernatural help from another dimension? Has the future been written in advance? Sid Roth has spent 30 years researching the strange world of the supernatural. Join Sid on this edition of It’s Supernatural.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. Did you know there are End Time angels that have been released in such quantity, angels that have never been on Planet Earth before? Why are they here? They’re here for change, direction, provision, protection. And that’s why I’ve asked my friend, Kathie Walters, to be a guest, because she doesn’t call herself this. I call her an angelologist. And as a matter of fact, there should be a college course on this. Kathie, for those that aren’t familiar with you, you were very, very wild in your youth, and you ran off in a back-slidden state to Australia. You got involved with the Mafia. You get engaged to a Mafia type guy. And your first supernatural experience occurred. Tell me about that.

 

KATHIE: Okay. Well I have to explain first, though, that I was running away from religion.

 

SID: But what is all that, wait a second, what’s all that gold stuff on your face?

 

KATHIE: I don’t know. It just–

 

SID: And your whole body, and your hands. What is it?

 

KATHIE: I don’t know. It just comes when I get happy.

 

SID: What is the–Why does God–It’s a sign. Why does God put gold all over you?

 

KATHIE: I asked Bob Jones what it was for, and he said, “Because children get it a lot, too.” And he said, “Oh, it’s just the kisses of God.” So I’ve noticed these kinds of manifestations come where the grace of God is and when you’re enjoying God.

 

SID: Now you told me one time that your hold van was coated with gold dust.

 

KATHIE: Yeah. When I left Ruth Heflin’s meeting, my whole van was covered. We vacuumed it and it came back again.

 

SID: Okay. Your first supernatural experience with Mafia in Australia, in a back-slidden state.

 

KATHIE: Yeah. But I ran away from religion. And so I wasn’t looking for God because I was having like a good time in a worldly sense. And all of a sudden, after about two years, the anointing fell on me. I had never heard of the anointing, so I didn’t know what that was. But the spirit of God fell on me, and all I could hear was angels singing an old English hymn, “A Love that Will Not Let Me Go.” And it went around and around, and around, and went right through me, just these beautiful, beautiful voices. And I was just in an office. And so I just started weeping.

 

SID: So you heard an angelic choir.

 

KATHIE: Yeah. And the Lord spoke to me and He said, “Kathie, I’ll never let you go.” So I came back to the Lord that day, had a vision of Jesus on a white horse, and I didn’t believe in visions. [giggling]

 

SID: And so your whole life, in fact, you had such an encounter with God that I understand everyone you talked to, what happened to them?

 

KATHIE: Well this Anointing feel on me, and I didn’t know it was the Anointing, so I had never heard of the Anointing. But everyone I spoke to got saved. It almost didn’t matter what I said, because whatever it was on me, people just wanted it. And actually, people followed me. I had people follow me and say, “What is that?”

 

SID: Okay. So she gets radically saved. She gets extricated from this Mafia type guy. She runs from Australia, comes back home. She marries David, who becomes her husband, and they get involved with a genuine move of God’s Spirit. I am so provoked when I hear about genuine moves of God’s Spirit in England. And you told me that if, say, a teenager or someone walked into your group and they were involved in sin, what would happen? Or give me an exact example of what you saw.

 

KATHIE: Okay. The thing about this revival was that God used everybody. So there wasn’t a back. It didn’t matter where you sat because the person next to you would tell you your name and address, and whatever. But I remember the one Sunday, this young guy got up and he said, “The Lord showed me there’s three people here that are in adultery, and I’ll give you ten seconds to stand up, and if you don’t stand up, I’m going to come in front of you.” Suddenly, people shot to their feet, and people around them prayed for them, and it was just all over, and the meeting carried on. And that’s how it was.

 

SID: But that was a norm, not an exception.

 

KATHIE: That happened quite a lot, yeah. Or you’d be sitting next to somebody and they’d just read your mail. It wasn’t always from the front.

 

SID: But people would know even, like you would know the person that sits next to you you’ve never met before.

 

KATHIE: Yes, right.

 

SID: You told me you would know their name.

 

KATHIE: Yeah. People that had been there a while would be moving in Spirit like that.

 

SID: Tell me about the time you walked through a neighborhood and knew the future of each person in each house.

 

KATHIE: Yeah. I was with a friend in Ohio and she went out for a run. So I went for a walk. And I walked around her little neighborhood and was just about a dozen, well not even a dozen, six houses there. And as I walked around this angel came out from by one of the yards and began to walk with me, and he began to tell me about everyone that was in the houses. He said, “These people are gonna leave and some more people are gonna come from California, and they’re gonna join a little church down the road, the Nazarene Church.” And so when we got back to her house, I wrote it all down. And we checked in a year, and everything he said had happened, happened, had happened.

 

SID: Now I was talking to you one time on the telephone, and you said there was an angel by me. You knew there was an angel. You even told me that angel’s name.

 

KATHIE: Yeah.

 

SID: That is very unusual.

 

KATHIE: Well there’s all kinds of things around you. [laugh]

 

SID: I tell you what, I think it’s time to take a break We’ll be back in just a moment. [laugh]

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Bill and Annette Weise, Bill is basically minding his own business and he finds himself dropping and he ends up in a cell in hell, real hell. and Jesus took his memory away from him that he was a believer and so he experienced what it was like to be in hell and not know Jesus and have no chance of reversal, none, eternity there, but then you said that Jesus came, he told you what you had gone through because he wants you to tell people about this, and then he said he was coming back soon. Now Annette, this was about three in the morning and he spent according to the book, 23 minutes in hell, so at about 3:23 or so, what did you hear, what did you observe?

ANNETTE: I was in a sound sleep Sid, and I knew it was 3:23 because I automatically turned to my left and looked at the clock, we had a big digital clock that said 3:23, and I heard screams, Bill’s not beside me so I proceeded down the hallway and I found Bill in a state I had never seen him in, if you know Bill.

SID: Is he an emotional person at all?

ANNETTE: No, if anything

SID: He’s very level?

ANNETTE: He’s steady, consistent, calm and more reserved by nature.

SID: Is he a real weeper?

ANNETTE: No, he’s not a complainer, he’s very, his emotions don’t go up and down.

SID: Stable.

ANNETTE: He’s stable; he’s a very stable man.

Sid Roth: So what was he, what was he doing when you saw him, what did you hear?

ANNETTE: Well, I saw him in a fetal position on our living room floor and he was holding the sides of his head and screaming the Lord took me to hell, pray for me, pray for me, you know pray that this fear goes out of my mind, and I was just like, I mean of course I was in shock at first, I was relieved in one instance that he wasn’t having a heart attack, because when I found him like that I thought oh my God, what is happening. And so I just went up to him and I just started to pray for him.

SID: There was no warning before you went to bed, there was nothing unstable about what he was saying, doing or thinking?

ANNETTE: No, we had just had gone to a prayer meeting, come home, went to bed just like any other night, so nothing unusual.

SID: Okay, only you can answer this, he loved God before, he loves God now, did he witness to everyone that could breath and tell them about the reality of Jesus before this event?

ANNETTE: He was, he was a more evangelistic person as far as his nature goes, he would try to witness to clients and things like that, but after this experience it was like an urgency of I’ve got to get on the phone, I’ve got to call my family, we’ve got to fly out there.

SID: Bill, why?

BILL: Well the reality of hell just really makes you aware that this place is final, I mean that people, and we have to open up our mouths, if we don’t they are going to go there. So I just felt like you know I’ve got to do everything I can in this short time God has given us and make it count, and witness to everybody that I can.

Sid Roth: Listen, when you were a young man you went through something that should have been it, a shark, you were swimming and a shark grabbed hold of you and literally was going to bite off, was it your arm or leg?

BILL: My leg, I was with a friend surfing, and

SID: What happened?

BILL: The shark grabbed me and pulled me off my board, bit my board right in half and grabbed my leg, pulled me down, and miraculously let me go, and the guy next to me got his leg torn off, so we watched him be drug up on the beach, but …

SID: So that was fear, but how did that fear compare to the fear that you experienced in hell?

BILL: That fear was terrible, but it was paled in comparison to what you go through in hell, there is no comparison.

SID: So I assume that the minute you came to your senses you started telling everyone about this experience?

BILL: Yes, I did, people don’t have to believe me, it’s not about believing me it’s about believing what the Bible has to say about hell, that there is scriptures, over a hundred and fifty scriptures about it.

SID: Wait a second, you believed in hell before this happened, what is the difference now?

BILL: I did, I knew it was fire, and I thanked God I was saved from it, but I really didn’t realize the severity of it, how terrible it is, that you do suffer actual, literal burning fire, it is not anaphorical, it is real fire, you suffer thirst, hunger, you never get to sleep, you are exhausted, you need sleep, you don’t get to sleep there, ever. You never get to be with a person, your memory is intact, all these things you have to endure for eternity. Just one of them alone would, could kill you, but yet you have to keep going.

SID: What about the, did you experience fear even after that event?

BILL: Well, when she prayed, I asked the Lord to remove the fear because I could feel my body was dying, the body can’t withhold that kind of fear and stay alive, and God did it, he graciously took out all the fear of hell, but he left the memories of it, so now I can recall it, but I don’t have to relive, and relive that awful fear that I experienced. But it still took me about a year to settle down from this whole thing. the next year was just, I wanted to grab everybody and witness to them and shake them up and make them aware that there is a real hell and that God doesn’t want anybody to go there. he loves everybody and he doesn’t want anyone to go, but it is a sad thing that people won’t listen to the simple message of the gospel and take his free gift and receive it and escape this horrible place. One second after they die it is too late. There is no turning back; they are never going to get out.

SID: But what about the person that says, well I’m a minch, I’m a pretty good person, I’ve never murdered anyone, I’m a nice guy and assuming there is a place called heaven, after all my rabbi told me, my priest told me, my mom told me, that I’m going to be in heaven, so they told me, what would you say to them?

BILL: That’s what most people think, that they are pretty good, and they probably are pretty good compared to people, but if you compare yourself to God, God’s ways are perfect, everything to do with him is perfect and if we sin, if we lie, if we commit adultery, if we do any of these things, that’s is punishable by death according to the word of God, Romans 6:23, the wages of sin is death, so people, it doesn’t mater how good you are, your goodness pales in comparison to god’s goodness, so you need, we all need a Savior, we all are sinners, we all fall short of his glory, so we are all in the same boat, we have to have a Savior, or we are going to go, we are going to end up in this place, torment.

SID: Annette, you didn’t go through this experience.

ANNETTE: No, thank God.

SID: How has it affected you, his experience, how has it affected, do you think that he hallucinated this whole thing, come on, between the two of us.

ANNETTE: No, actually Sid, not at all, I know Bill, I know his character, I know his integrity, and for many people around him that knew him before we even met, so I absolutely believed him from the moment he spoke it out of his mouth that’s where he went. I think how it has affected me probably the most is my own personal examination of my own life, of just wanting to pursue God, and know him, and walk in holiness before him as a Christian, because we throw that word out, “Christian,” but what does that really mean? And I wanted to really get to know the Lord and walk that way, and then it also gave me much more of a compassion for people, and to think how selfish of me, and at the times where I thought about, how many times I didn’t open my mouth, because I didn’t feel “led” to say anything about God to them.

SID: Bill, do you sweat the small stuff anymore? I mean after seeing what you saw, these other things are so pale compared to this reality.

BILL: They are, the things we all get upset over in life, it is so short and temporal, and it is over in just a moment, the things that are important are really just eternal things, and pleasing the Lord.

SID: As you both know, I’m Jewish, and 35 years ago, Jesus came into my bedroom and I experienced, the very first things that I experienced was his shalom, his peace. It was literally tangible, and you know what, I could not worry about anything, I went to bed not caring whether I lived or died, and when he came into my bedroom, all I could think was, love, purpose, destiny, I don’t care what you have heard about Jesus, even if you have been in a church or synagogue or mosque your whole life, I tell you to ask the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to make Jesus real to you, repent of your sins, tell God you are sorry, and you want to know Jesus. It’s simple, but it is everything and everything without Jesus is nothing, choose.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Don Dickerman. Don, you were more amazed than anyone when people started getting healed, but then you started having visions. When you’ve had a vision from God, how accurate is it?

DON: I guess I have to say I don’t have them very often. But every time something is revealed to me in a service situation, it happens.

SID: Tell me about the first healing.

DON: The first healing… I went through a revelation, a vision. It was at a unit in Huntsville, Texas. It’s a big prison with maybe 400 people in the chapel. There was a praise group singing before I was to get up to preach. So I’m sitting off to the side, and I had a mental image. I could see an ugly, jagged-toothed rat inside someone’s colon, just gnawing away. I didn’t know, I’d never had anything like that happen. I didn’t know what to do with it. I felt like the Holy Spirit was telling me somebody was going to be healed of that situation. So when I got up to speak, I mentioned that. I revealed what I had seen. I said, “Somebody here with that condition is going to be healed tonight.” Well, an inmate jumped up and ran down the aisle and said, “That’s me, that’s me.” I prayed for him, and he went back to his seat. But he wasn’t the one. So at the close of the service, as the inmates were filing out back to their cell blocks and dorm areas, an inmate came up and put a note in my pocket. He hung around as I was shaking hands with guys, and he said “Sir, would you read that note right now?” So I pulled the note out and read it, and it said, “I’m the one.” Then he began to tell me that he’d just gotten back from John Sealy Hospital, medical place. They’d diagnosed him with a colon problem, but said, “Since you’re going home in a few months, it can wait till you get back in the free world.” He lifted up his shirt, and there was a knot
right around his belt area. I knew, when he did it, that that was it. It was like what I saw. I said, “Well, I want to pray for you right now.” I put my hand right on that spot and commanded the demon powers to leave him and healing to come. He threw up blood and bile, ugly situation. But some other inmates got towels and cleaned it up. I walked to the back door with him as he went back to his cell. He said, “I don’t have any pain.” Well, I don’t know who he is, and I leave the prison, he’s back in the cell block. So it was the next month when I was back at that prison. He met me at the chapel door, and the first thing he did was lift up his shirt. He said, “Brother, it’s gone. I haven’t had a pain since then.”

Sid Roth: You must’ve been as shocked, pleased, and surprised as him.

DON: Yeah. Sometimes it overwhelms you, because I knew I didn’t have anything to do with it.

SID: Speaking of being overwhelmed, I am overwhelmed with your book, because this is the most practical, easy… Someone doesn’t deal with fear, they deal with rights. Legal rights. This is for someone that needs self deliverance, or someone that needs to pray for someone else. What are some of the signs that someone may need to be set free of a demonic spirit? It may be inside someone, it may be outside someone, it plain doesn’t matter.

DON: Well Jesus said, “Cast them out”, so that’s what we do. To me, it’s pretty simple. I find there’s four principles involved, and these apply to anyone, anywhere. The first principle is, you either have demons or you don’t. If you do have demons, then it must be that the demon has some kind of legal permission to be there. That could be unforgiveness, it could be generational curses, a number of things. But it must have permission. The third thing is, there is no permission that cannot be cancelled. We can repent of anything. Jesus’ blood covers everything. Then the fourth principle is, once those legal consents have been cancelled, the name of Jesus is absolute authority every time.

Sid Roth: You have some insight in here. I guess it’s from having so much experience one on one. One of the things you said, I’ve never heard before. I’ve heard it’s very important to forgive,
because Jesus said “I’ll forgive you the same degree you forgive other people.” However, I never heard that once you forgive, you command the spirit that was attached to you because of the unforgiveness to leave. So people forgive and they still have that oppression.

DON: When I first encountered that, it was through… I don’t have conversations with demons, I have confrontation with them. But they do speak many times through the individual. I’ve had demons, when I commanded them to leave, I said “Do you have permission to stay there?” “No.” “Well, why are you there?” And the response would be “No one ever told me to go.” So they become like squatters. I would find that somebody would say “Yeah, I had a period of unforgiveness in my life ten years ago, but I repented of that.” Ok, but the demon’s still hanging out, because he wasn’t cast out.

SID: It’s time for the squatters in your life to leave. And it’s so easy, it’s so simple. There is no fear involved, it’s just plain faith in the integrity of someone stronger, your Big Brother, Jesus. When we come back, you’re going to hear an interview I did with one of the most notorious prisoners in Ireland. I think he stabbed fifteen people by age 14. By the time he was 17, he murdered someone. This is such an amazing story. We’ll be right back after this word.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Don Dickerman. Do you remember Son of Sam, David Berkowitz, the mass murderer from the New York area? Well, Don wrote a letter to David. How did he respond to your letter while he was in prison?

DON: That was in 1978. He’d just been sentenced. I didn’t know the guy; I just knew what the headlines in the papers were. But I’d seen people saved in prisons, so I wrote David a letter. I said “David, God still loves you, and Jesus can save you.” He wrote me right back and said, “If I get out here, I’ll kill you.”

Sid Roth: Well he didn’t get out of there, but you went back into the prison to speak, and he came up to you. What did he tell you?

DON: This was ten years later. I was in his prison, not knowing he was there. After the service… I didn’t know what he looked like. After the service he came up to me and put his arm around me and said “I want you to know, I appreciate you being faithful over these years, coming into these dark places with the light of the gospel. By the way, my name’s David Berkowitz.” I could look in his eyes and tell something had happened. I said, “David, are you saved? Are you born again?” He said, “Yes sir, I got saved a couple of years ago.” No one knew his story. He said, “I know the media will get a hold of it and twist it. But yeah, I love Jesus.”

Sid Roth: Then you became friends. One prisoner can’t write to another prisoner, so he asked you to write to one of the most hardened prisoners in Ireland. Tell me about that.

DON: He had read in some paper about Eddie Ferncombe, the most notorious criminal in Ireland. A feared criminal. He said, “Would you write to this man and witness to him like you did to me?” Well, of course I did. Over a period of several weeks of writing, Eddie accepted Christ by mail. He asked me if I had any tapes of services or teachings. He said, “I have a little tape player. Can you send me some?” So I gathered a handful of tapes and mailed them to Eddie. He wrote me. In a couple of weeks I got a letter from him. On one of the tapes, I had done a corporate deliverance. Kind of silently address those issues in your mind and choose to be free from them. I’m going to bind them… So I sent him that tape, and as he was listening to it, demons began to manifest in him. They couldn’t be still. He was trembling and sweating. So he told his chaplain about it the next day and asked the chaplain if he’d help him. He said, “The chaplain laughed at me.” Well, he asked me in the letter if I would consider coming to Ireland to minister deliverance. He said, “I know what my problem is.” Well, I didn’t know how I’d get to Ireland, but I felt God’s Spirit telling me to go. So I went to Ireland, eventually met with Eddie. I told Eddie “There’s a qualification. You can’t have any unforgiveness in your life”, because as we talked, I could sense he did. He said, “I can’t do that, brother Don. I can’t.” He was going to kill the man that snitched on him. That was his plan, to get out of prison and do that. I said “Eddie, I can’t help you if you can’t forgive. I went back two days later, and he came out with a big smile on his face. We’re in a super isolation area, he’s got four officers escorting him, he’s in waist chains and ankle chains and handcuffs. But he had this big smile on his face.

SID: What did the prison think about you going there?

DON: They couldn’t understand why I was there, and I wasn’t sure I could explain it to them.

SID: “I came to set someone free of a demon.”

DON: One officer that was escorting me back to that area… And it was a dungeon. It’s where they kept the IRA prisoners in Portlaoise, Ireland. He said “Are you like David Wilkerson?” Well I knew what he meant. I said “Yeah I am.” He said, “Well you’re welcome here lad.” We went back to Eddie’s area. They had a plexiglass booth where an officer sat to overlook, to make sure nothing went wrong. So while they’re bringing Eddie back to that area, I looked at that officer and thought, “I don’t know what he’s going to think if Eddie screams or makes some kind of noise.” So I went over and tapped on the glass. I said, “Sir, I just want to explain to you what I’m here for, what I’m going to do.” I explained the deliverance process. As I was warning him of what might happen, he said, “Help yourself lad, help yourself.” Eddie came in, and we sat down across from each other, just like you and I are. He said, “I did it, brother Don. I forgave.” And you could see in his eyes, it was real. We went through the process of binding demons and commanding them to leave, and they did. And Eddie’s been out of prison for…

SID: I tell you what… He’s been out for how long??

DON: I think for maybe six years.

SID: I caught up with Eddie, and he is out of prison, and I interviewed him by way of radio. I asked him some questions about what it was like to be set free of these evil spirits. Let’s go to that audio interview.

SID: What was it like before you went through deliverance?

EDDIE: I was just on a road to destruction. I was very violent and very evil.

SID: Describe to me what you felt like right after you went through deliverance.

EDDIE: Ah, I felt peace straight away. Peace. I was in a bad place at that time – mentally. After the deliverance everything just kind a lifted.

SID: And you also told me you felt really drunk in the Spirit. Explain that.

EDDIE: Yeah, I was actually giddy – happy!

SID: Imagine that. This is what he said to me. When I said, “What does it feel like?” he says, “It feels like I’m stoned.” Here he is in the worst prison of prisons, with no hope for any future, hating, just wanted to get out to murder another person. And he feels the love of God. God is so good.

DON: Yes He is. We see that all the time. Not to that extreme, but when someone’s in bondage and they’re freed, while it may be relative, it’s freedom nonetheless. My experience is that most Christians are in some kind of bondage.

SID: Either they’re oppressed or they have some sort of addictive part of their personality.

DON: Generally, I think the rule of thumb is… A question I get a lot is how do you know if it’s the flesh? Sometimes you can’t know, but when it becomes irrational anger, irrational fears, anything to the extreme, generally that’s a demon spirit.

SID: One thing I read which was interesting, even fear that God isn’t going to forgive you of your sins. That is demonic. I’ll tell you something. I am so excited to make his new book available to you, because it’s so simple. The only fear you have of a demon is the fear the demon gives you. When you have faith, you understand that the demon is far more afraid of you than you’re afraid of that demon. I urge you to get a hold of this book, because it is going to transform your life. It’s one of those mentoring tools that’s necessary.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with David Jones. And David had an encounter with the power of God. He got off of alcohol, he got off of drugs, but some amazing things happened to you. You used to go out into the woods and pray, but one day something strange happened, explain.

DAVID: Supernatural, it was a time in my life for ten years God had me in a season of fasting and prayer, but more prayer than fasting, and this night I thought it was going to be my normal, I’ll go out and worship the Lord, just love on the Lord and the Lord began to speak to me. But now, when I walked out I was getting ready to worship Him I heard the Lord speaking to my hearing, run. And I was like run, this is unusual and I didn’t obey then I heard him say run. And so I began to run and I began to run. All of a sudden the neighbors dog ran along side of me that was out there with me and I began to run. All of a sudden the supernatural power of God becoming upon me, all of a sudden I began to run so fast that I left the dog and I can’t tell you was it a quarter of a mile.

SID: You outran the dog.

DAVID: I out ran the dog and left the dog, my legs were going so fast it shocked me. I was running like superman or Flash or somebody. It was just supernatural, but when I came to a dead stop I wasn’t breathing hard and I just fell to my knees and I said oh my God what is happening? Then I heard the Lord say I want you to stay in the race son, I am going to use your body in supernatural feats and signs and wonders.

Sid Roth: God taught you how to walk in something, a word that most people don’t understand, don’t even comprehend, but it’s so important to God that if you want to be elevated to the next level with God, if you want to be used in this mighty outpouring of God’s Spirit, you must understand what David Jones spoke about for six months, the subject is humility. How did God start to teach you about this with a co-worker?

DAVID: Well we got hired and at that time I was doing red iron steel work where we had big wrenches and tightening up bolts in red iron beams and so we were up about three stories and his name was Gar and he asked me what was my name and I told him and so as a couple of days went by he said man get your so and so over here and help me. And I was like shocked and I walked over to him and I said, you know I was always taught to respect the man, I respect you. I don’t want to hear what you got to say let’s get to work. And then I was trying to pray Sid, and then I had just gotten saved and I said Lord I don’t want to pray anymore I am just going to hit this man with this wrench. I said if you say anything to me and then the boss came up and broke us up and then lunchtime came and so I took my little New Testament out and I began…

SID: You were really going to hit him in the face with the wrench?

DAVID: Oh with all my might and with all my strength as hard as I could.

SID: That’s not very humble.

DAVID: No, that’s not humble at all.

SID: Okay go ahead.

DAVID: This is sure enough true. And so I got my New Testament out and the Lord took me to a verse that my grandma taught me, the first Bible verse was Hebrews 12:14, “Follow peace with all men, holiness without which no man shall see the Lord.” And I began to cry Sid, and I began to pray, I said God I don’t want to hurt people anymore, I was taught to kill in the Marines, I don’t want to hurt anyone anymore, I said please help me. Now Sid, first I wanted to hit him with the wrenches, but now I’m praying for him, okay, all of a sudden the boss didn’t allow us to work together, he separated me. I’m down sorting out bolts, here he came right to me, all of a sudden the power of God picks me up and I look him in the face and I say Gar it is better for a millstone to be tied about your neck and cast into the depths of the sea than to mess with one of God’s little ones. I said that’s all I’m going to say. He said you done said enough. Then he walked off, storming off and I was like oh God have mercy. The next day when he came to work all one side of his face was swollen up, his eye was closed in and he came straight to me. He said look at my face man, look what happened. I said what happened to you? He said I don’t know, I just woke up this morning and my face was like this and he said, and it constantly hurts. And he walked away. And I said Lord have mercy, have mercy. I didn’t say unhuh, that’s what you get messing with a Christian, no, no, no, no, I didn’t rejoice, I said Lord have mercy, touch him Lord, heal him and the Lord healed him. From that day forth Sid, that man treated me like I was somebody and God showed me, he said son if you always hold your peace I will fight for you. The reason why a lot of Christians don’t see my mighty hand move in my life they don’t hold their peace. It is conditional; if you hold your peace I will fight for you.

SID: and you told me something the other day about touch not God’s anointed, but you gave me a revelation that I, I have just never even thought about, it wasn’t the person it was the presence of God, explain.

DAVID: I had a pastor; I have to go through this experience, God allowed this to happen, that I was working with him.

SID: You know I don’t even want to hear that experience but explain about that.

DAVID: The anointing is, okay God said touch not my anointed nor do my prophets any harm, it is not so much that man or woman that is so special, it is the anointing that has been smeared on their life, that is what is special.

SID: It is like going against God.

DAVID: It is going against God himself; that is why it is so dangerous.

SID: I will tell you what it was so hard for David to learn these lessons because remember the mantra he had so to speak, no one tells me what to do, no one, and God taught him step by step and he taught for six months, I have the book, “Humble is the Way”, of his teaching on humility, I have never seen such revelation of humility before but guess what happened after he started teaching, the supernatural erupted, precious stones, you are going to see a diamond that came from heaven.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth, welcome to my world where it is naturally supernatural. There is the atmosphere of heaven on this set and if the atmosphere of heaven is on this set it is going to invade wherever you are right now. My guest, David Jones, taught for six months on something that was so significant that the most unusual miracles started erupting, feathers, all different colors, angel feathers started materializing and very amazing, amazing ways, precious gemstones started, stones from heaven started materializing, we will find out what jewelers had to say about, diamonds started materializing cut better than the finest jeweler ever. We are going to find out what he taught because I believe what he taught is mandatory for miracles to take place. And I believe that this is a moment in history in which everyone that knows God will walk in the miraculous. David, you were sabotaged from the beginning, your father, I mean it is hard for me to comprehend this, but your father used to fight with you, explain.

DAVID: Oh yes, he was a boxer, he was a fighter actually and he wanted me to be a tough guy so he would always challenge me, punch me in my chest, knock me down, get up, get your best hook, try me, come on show me what you got, and I resented it. Number one, I loved my father, and I just resented trying to retaliate against him so when I got in fights in nightclubs and dancehalls, I didn’t hold back nothing, I sad no one is going to hurt me any more, and no one is going to tell me what to do.

SID: And you left home at an early age.

DAVID: Thirteen years of age.

Sid Roth: But what you just said a lot of people are saying, no one is going to tell me what to do, one of you listening to me right now that is what you have just recently said, “No one is going to tell me what to do.” You went into the Marines?

DAVID: Went into the United States Marine Corp.

SID: What did they equip you for?

DAVID: A killing machine, killing machine.

SID: Really?

DAVID: Yeah, they said you have a strong backbone and you can think when you are at battle or at war so I became an 03-11 rifleman, the first to hit the beaches. They used me as a killing machine, that’s what it was for.

SID: And then when you got out of the marines what was your life like?

DAVID: Oh it was even worse you know, I still resented authority, I didn’t want to have nothing to do with people trying to control me or tell me anything, I was walking in pride and didn’t even know it. One thing I found about walking in pride is that you are so blind that you are ignorant to the fact of it; that you are walking in a prideful attitude that is so detrimental to you and everyone around you.

SID: And you know, amazing in that situation God gave you a revelation of the end of time, what did you see?

DAVID: Oh man it was incredible, it was just like me sitting here watching you, I was seventeen years of age, and I was at home at night and I had the radio on and I was turning the channels and I heard a woman scream, and it wasn’t like it was behind the house, but in front of the house it was like in the air, so I went to go towards the window and I said wait a minute if I go towards that window I am going to see something that I don’t want to see. But Sid I was compelled to so I went. And it was the second story and I looked down and I thought I was going to see a woman maybe stabbed or something and I didn’t see nothing, but when I came up and my eyes hit the heavens and the stars it was just like a motions picture, the moon just whoosh, and it was like someone took a knife and just poked into the moon and blood began to ooze out of the moon and then the stars in the heaven just said whoosh, and the sky itself said, “whoosh, whoosh, whoosh,” and Sid all this was happening simultaneously, the moon turned to blood, the stars fall from the heavens, the sky rolled up as a scroll. And then all of a sudden I saw a lady with long black hair looking at all these events taking place on the earth and she took her fingernails and began to dig in her face and scratch and began to run and then I seen ten people running, hundred people running, thousands of people running and screaming at what was taking place on the earth, it was like all time stood still for God, this is his hour, this is his time, and the look on their faces when they were running was: They were running, falling on top of each other, all of a sudden everything went black, everything was clear, and I feel to the ground and I was trembling and shaking like I didn’t see that, no, I didn’t see that. And I said yes I did. So I said let me get the Bible, and I was walking through the house and I was saying God please don’t let me see nothing else, please Lord I don’t want to see nothing else, and I got the Bible, and I didn’t even know this was in the word of God and I just opened up the Bible and it went to Revelation where it said, “The moon shall turn to blood and the stars shall fall from the heavens and the sky shall role back as a scroll.”

SID: You didn’t even know that was there beforehand?

DAVID: I didn’t know that was there and when I opened it up I opened it up right to it because God had to take me there Sid, because at first I thought I was losing my mind. I didn’t know that was an open vision. I didn’t know anything about visions.

SID: and then someone invited you to their church, you were running from things like that, why did you go, why David?

DAVID: Because the guy was funny. He was a Christian, he was funny, he had big eyes and he would be talking to me about God and he would say wait a minute; are you looking at my eyes? I said no, he said yes you are making fun of my eyes and I would say no, no, no, no, we just started laughing and he said come on, be my guest at church, he got me with laughter. And so I said okay, I said wait a minute I don’t have any clothes, he said God is not looking at your clothes, he is looking at your heart. And so we went to church and I sat in the back and an evangelist made the altar call and I was sitting back there in the valley of decision, and I said man I don’t know if I can live, said I don’t know if I can do it, and so I didn’t get up the first night, that was on a Thursday night, and so I went back to work, oh before I left church the pastor was at the back door sayings you going to come be back with us tomorrow night son, this is the house of God where everybody is somebody. I said yes sir. So I went to work the next day at the Ford Motor Company, my boss comes brings me that big old check, and I said oh yes, me and my brother going and party hardy tonight, then I said wait a minute, I told that man of God I was coming to his church, on a Friday, what did I do that for? I put the check in…

SID: That’s party night.

DAVID: Oh that’s party night for me and I said wait a minute, why did I tell him that? Sid, when I made up in my mind to do what I wanted to do like I had always done I said no, I am not going to that house of God, I am not going to church, I am going to party, I fell on the conveyor belt and when I fell on the conveyor parts was hitting me in the head, everybody was like hey somebody help him, get him. Sid, I wanted to lift myself up but I had no strength. All of a sudden God started allowing me to hear my heartbeat, pop, pop, pop, pop, then I started out fading out more, oh no, pop, pop, pop, pop. And I began to pray please give me another chance Lord, pop, pop, pop, pop, I’ll go to this man of God’s church, please give me another chance, have mercy Lord. And everybody was around me saying are you all right, I didn’t pay any attention, I said don’t do me like this, I’ll go to this man of God’s church. Sid, I made it there, well before I went my friends come over my house ready to party, I said hold it, I am not going with you guys, I said I almost died today, my heart almost stopped beating, I said I am going to the house of God. They said man this guy done gone crazy. I said I don’t care what you guys said I’m going to the house of God, I went, sat in the back, they made the altar call, I started walking down the aisle, and I heard the devil say get out of this church, run, run, and I said no, I was brought up in church as a little boy, I said no I must save myself, and I went to the preacher and he said son, do you want to be saved? I said yes sir, yes sir; I want to be saved. It was like big yokes lifted off me, I went to grab his hand and the power of God hit me and I went straight back and there were no ushers there to catch me, but when I hit the floor it was like falling into a bed of cotton, and there was a bunch of sisters right there, and they jumped back, they were looking at me, and back then I thought I was a cool daddy, so I said wait a minute what am I doing on this floor, all these pretty girls looking at me? Then the supernatural began, and it began in my belly, then it got in my chest, then it got in my throat, then my tongue began to cleave to the roof of my mouth. And Sid, I was on alcohol, drugs, cocaine, meth, TAC, all those drugs, but I had never experienced such joy, such peace, I never experienced before.

SID: After that event, were you still addicted to those drugs?

DAVID: Never again.

SID: Listen, he started doing the most extraordinary things dealing with physical strength,

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Dr. Andrew Moyo and there is something about Africans and the way they understand the invisible world before becoming believers in the Messiah and then once, Andrew, you become a believer in the Messiah, it all, when you read the New Testament it makes more sense, and after you saw the results of this blind woman getting her sight back, your faith must have soared.

ANDREW: Oh boy, I was a changed man, it took, my life became from just thinking that God could use me to knowing that God can use me and he wants to use me and he wants to heal people, he wants to set people free, and use an ordinary person who will just believe in him.

SID ROTH: Now you went out to hospitals because you just wanted to pray for people to see results but you, you really bit off more than you could chew when you went to this one hospital in the AIDS ward, tell me what you saw with this woman.

ANDREW: Well I walked into this AIDS ward in this Catholic hospital and there is just so many people with AIDS but this particular lady, she must have weighed about twenty pounds, that morning the doctors told the mother to take her home because there was nothing else they could do for her, she is the only daughter of this woman, her lips were dripping blood as she had sores, she had boils, tumors under her armpits, I mean she looked, was is such a shape I didn’t even want to spend much time in this ward because the stench was so bad I thought I was going to contract an airborne disease but he Lord said to me, “Minister to her.”

SID: How long did she have to live?

ANDREW: They gave her hours; they sent her out that morning, when I walked in they were packing her bags because they told her to go home because she had only a few hours to live.

SID: Why did they want her to go home if she only had a few hours?

ANDREW: So that they could make room for another person because it would cost them more money to transport a dead body because there was no hope, nothing else they could do.

Sid Roth: What did you feel when you were going to lay hands on her as far as whether she would be healed or not, I mean that woman was a close to death as you could come.

ANDREW: Absolutely, I looked at her and I began to shake but at the same time I know I don’t heal people, the Lord Jesus heals, and his power heals, all I have to do is do what he says that I can do and then I let him do what I cannot do which is heal the sick.

SID: So what happened?

ANDREW: So I looked at her; I began to share the gospel with her and she was in agreement. For eight months she could not sit, she could not eat; she had no strength so she could not even move her body so she just slowly agreed, nodding a little bit. And I laid hands on her. I said I am going to pray and Jesus is going to heal you because he is still the same yesterday, today and forever and he still heals so I laid hands on her though I didn’t want to because she had lost her hair, she had boils all over everywhere but I closed my eyes and I prayed a prayer of faith in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the time I said Amen the boils and the armpits that I, tumors, blood that was dripping had stopped, her skin had dried immediately.

SID: That can’t happen in the natural, it can’t be what the doctors call remission, it can’t be that.

ANDREW: Absolutely, and I asked her, “What happened, what did you feel as I laid hands on you.” And she said, “I felt like as if hot coal was poured on me from my head to toe and it went through me.” and I informed her that that was the power of God and for the first time in eight months I took, I told her I am going to take you by the hand, I took her by the hand and she was able to sit on her bed, for the first time in eight months she was able to tell me, talk and tell me what she felt and just the experience and tell me all about it.

SID: what did the doctors and the staff and the rest of the patients have to say about that?

ANDREW: As I was talking to her and taking her thorough all these different, and hearing her testimony, the doctors, nurses, and even the fellow patients began to gather around because this was a forgotten case, she was a gone case, she was supposed to be dead, and in a few minutes now she is talking and sitting and drinking and they all gathered around and I asked them do you want to receive the Lord Jesus because he can do the same thing and they all accepted the Lord Jesus in that hospital and I prayed for them and even ministered to other sick people while I was at it.

SID: You know what Andrew, while you were talking an angel of healing has invaded this studio and I can tell you as a fact there are people that have been healed with back problems, if you will bend over you will see that you do not have any pain, there is someone with a left leg problem, you have been healed, there is someone with a hip problem, you have been healed, Andrew will you look into the camera and will you pray for people right now because that African anointing of the Messiah Yeshua is about to be released.

ANDREW: Yes, in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ I pray for every sick body, every sickness, every disease, every spirit of infirmity, and every spirit of disease, I rebuke you now in the Name of Yeshua right now to be gone. and I release the healing power of God to touch your body, wherever it is in your body whether it be cancer, tumors, AIDS, arthritis, whatever the case may be right now in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ, I release healing into your body and I ask you to receive this healing by faith because it is yours right now, there it is, in Jesus mighty Name, amen.

SID: I could tell you Andrew that I know many people were just healed, but I also know that when I read your book “Working the Works of God” my faith level, why did you write this book?

ANDREW: I wrote this book because God spoke to me that he wants to raise an army of radical Christians, radical believers who would do the things that Jesus said that we will do, and who would be the people that Jesus said would really be walking in the power of God, this is for average people but we are all anointed, and they are anointed and God wants to use them and manifest his power in them and through them, that is why I wrote the book.

SID: Now God brought you from Uganda to America, how come?

ANDREW: I asked myself the same question, and I asked the Lord the same question, and he said to me, “Andrew, America needs you.” And I said why. “Because you come from a different culture, you bring a different perspective because now is the time for America,” that is what he said, “Because there is coming a move of God and I want you to be part of raising up an army of those radical revivalists that are going to take the power of God into the ends of the earth but especially to the American church, to awaken the church, to stir them up for the coming move of God to be ready, because before the move will come the church has to be ready to receive it.”

SID: Listen, that is you, are you ready? Are you ready to be used by God? We heard about a woman that her body was so eaten up by this horrible disease of AIDS, she just had minutes to live and the power of God came on her. How would you like to be used that way? Do you know that God sees something special about you? You may be in this “pity party” right now, you may think that you have just messed up so bad but you are in perfect shape right now to become the person of destiny that God created you to be. Do that first step, you may not have that AIDS on the outside but you have AIDS on the inside, it is called sin, and God is a holy loving God that loves you but your sins have separated you from your God. So if you will call out to God, not in some religious prayer but a child talking to their father who is a good father, who is not going to disappoint, and say, “God forgive me in Jesus Name for all the sins I have ever committed, come and live inside of me, become my Lord.” If you will do that God, I promise you will draw so close to you and you will have a purpose to live and you will fulfill a destiny that before you were conceived in your mother’s womb God knew you, and called you but now is the moment for some of you it is your last chance, you have so much to look forward to. Go for God, and he has already gone for you, he loves you, really does.

Sid: Hello Sid Roth here with Paul Hegstrom, and Paul was an abuser in every foul way you can think and finally his wife had had enough, did she have enough or…

Paul: No, she didn’t…

Sid: You decided to leave her?

Paul: I left because I figured someday she is going to leave me and I needed to be the hurter not the hurtee.

Sid Roth: And then you have one abusive relationship after another and finally you have this sentence of prison for how many years?
Paul: Fifteen to twenty-two that was what I was facing.

Sid: And so you surrendered to God at that moment…

Paul: Absolutely. That’s a crisis you know.

Sid: And everything, God made everything turn out wonderful to the point where you started dating your ex-wife Judy – I’m amazed she did it.

Paul: Yes, I am too.

Sid: And she saw such a difference, but then you used to have discussions with her of your research on the brain.

Paul: Especially the areas of the brain and how…

Sid: Tell me what the Holy Spirit was showing you about the brain.

Paul: He was showing me, see I had no background in mental health, and I had spent almost thirty thousand on therapy over the years to get well because I knew something was wrong but I felt flawed and defective and so I really, God really took me to this area of research in the brain and how we are wired as children, the tapes that happen, the things that happen to us before the age of nine to eleven and the wounds, and there are five things that will stop a child’s development and that is rejection in the original family, incest, molestation, emotional and physical abuse, and if any one of those happens or they have had, I have worked with people that have had three and have five of them, and it literally stops the developmental structure of the core character of the child at that point, and in mental health it is called fixation, and they have never learned to restart the maturing process so in…

Sid: So they stay a prisoner for the rest of their life?

Paul: Yes and they develop a pseudo-personality so the personality that I had when Judy and I were married the first 16 years, people outside really liked me because I was a nice guy, it was the guy behind closed doors that could not love, could not understand intimacy, could not manage anger, could not resolve conflict, did not know how to parent, I meant the list just goes on and on so what is happening is emotionally I’m a child raising a family, and when my three kids got anywhere from nine to thirteen years of age they were more mature than I was and I left, that’s why I walked away.

Sid: You spent all that money with the best psychiatry and psychology had to offer and not – zero, not much.

Paul: Absolutely, they sat there and the thing that irritated me was, I would say but why, why do I do this.

Sid: So you found that before puberty that if some, one of these five traumas occur, something happens to the brain early and they stay a child in certain areas the rest of their lives.

Paul: Yes, because a child under the age of puberty is lacking: And that is why Apostle Paul said in his writings, “When I was a child I acted, spoke thought, and reasoned as a child and when I grew up I put away childish things.” I understood acting like a child because I did it for forty years, I understood talking like a child, embellishing you know, I had to be number one, didn’t understand thinking as a child and God sent a Godly man who was a brain researcher for thirty-eight years into my life and we found that the three chemicals that are missing in the brain caused the child to be teachable. And then at puberty those chemicals kick in and the child takes the teaching and then that creates reason, so the chemicals cause the child to reason and to think in an abstract type of way or to see that if I do this today this is going to affect me tomorrow or the next day…

Sid: But if these chemicals aren’t released, they are trapped as a child in an adult body.

Paul: For the rest of their life, because what happens is trauma in childhood activates the adrenalin, the fight-flight syndrome, and the adrenalin literally pushes away the chemicals that are supposed to come in and find the balance in the brain and move that child to puberty, so what will happen is the chemicals will kick in and the body will change but the mind does not grow because the adrenalin keeps that child in a position where I am waiting for the next trauma to happen, and so we found that this…

Sid: So how was this solved, it was solved with you?

Paul: Yes sir, and it’s being solved by tens of thousands of people…

Sid: How?

Paul: by being able to tie together what I am struggling with today, say I’m forty years of age and I am struggling with, I am going through divorces, I am angry all the time, I trigger at a hair trigger with my rage and anger, I act out, I have no stability, I change jobs every two or three years at best and sometimes can’t even hold one, all of these symptoms we think we are defective because we are dealing with the symptoms, not understanding the symptom has a source, and the…

Sid: So when parents are giving these various new drugs to their children because they are ADD or things like that, there is something better?

Paul: Yeah, there is something better and that is dealing with the issues, but you can’t deal with the issues sitting talking to someone because if I am what we call “arrested in development” or mental health calls it “fixation” I am arrested in development below the age of puberty and I need directives, train up a child, I need somebody to tell me what is going on so what we do in the program is we have adults in their eighties who says for the first time in their life they find out that all this behavior they have struggled with since childhood was rooted, sourced here, and see I am not responsible for the original wound below the age of puberty, because I’m below the age of accountability, that victimized me, but I am responsible for my behavior for the rest of my life, see so it is not letting somebody off the hook, it is connecting their whole life.

Sid: Dr. Hegstrom has found out how to rewire the brain, this is so phenomenal, but of course it’s in the Bible, science is just catching up