SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Ben and Brenda Peters. Ben and Brenda Peters are prophets. And Brenda, just to whet their appetite, tell me a few people that you’ve prophesied over.

BRENDA: God gave us the opportunity to minister to bikers in Las Vegas. And bikers can be very threatening. While we were standing in the front of the room, the presence of God directed me to a specific biker who looked very tough. And as I walked over to him, God gave me one word, and I released that word and began to speak into his life. Once the Lord will give me one word, God will give me one word, I’ll speak that, the rest will come. This man met God because of that word. He left that meeting and went out into the parking lot and got down on his knees. Found out later he was a hit man, and had an assignment on somebody’s life that night, and somebody’s life was spared. Also in a truck stop one time, we stopped in our diesel on our way to a meeting, and a biker began to talk to me while I was in a coffee line. And again, the presence of God moved on me and I knew God wanted to speak to him. And I just said to him “You know, God just gave me a prayer for you. May I share it?” And he said, “Yes.” And a powerful, encouraging word came through me as a prayer into this man’s life, and he could not even speak, it was so exciting to him. And I left knowing that that man’s life will always be changed.

SID: Brenda, what about people that are ready to commit suicide?

BRENDA: This also happened in the biker meeting, and it’s also happened in youth group meetings; where the presence of God will come on me and God will give me a revelation that they are preparing to take their life, or that they have suicidal thoughts. And I’ll just go over to them and ask if I can pray for them, and God will give me a word for them that will open them up to who they are in God’s eyes, what He created them for, and take off of them that need to end their lives.

SID: Now understand that, just like Ben, who spent so much time in God’s presence, in effect that’s what you were doing when you were in school, and that changed your whole destiny, literally. Prophecy changes people’s destiny, doesn’t it? Can you pray for people right now that there would be an impartation of the gift of prophecy? And then, I believe God’s going to zoom you into another area where you’re going to prophesy to specific people. Would you do that now?

BRENDA: And I would encourage you that prophecy should come out of having spent time in the presence of God. Find a place to get alone with God. Put worship on. Right now, in the name of Jesus, we speak prophetic into your lives. We release an ability to listen, spend time in God’s presence, position yourself, and listen for family members and others around you. Prophesy when you pray.

BEN: And I’d like to break off of people the lie that they can’t hear from God. And some have been told that by Christian leaders, and we break that off in Jesus’ name, because  Jesus said “My sheep know My voice.” We loose the voice of God into your spirit, that you would hear clearly and know there’s a God who loves you and has a destiny for your life. He wants to use you, He wants you to be His mouthpiece. Peter said “If any man speak, let him speak as the oracle of God.” And God has given us that privilege and that wonderful responsibility to be the one that carries a message from the throne room to the hearts of man; to the troubled, to the needy, to the desperate; that their lives might be changed forever and they might become members of the army of God instead of the wounded. Amen.

SID: You know, I found out something that is about ready to happen in the nation of Israel. There is an assistant to Heidi Baker in Mozambique, Africa, and his name is Supreza, who is a very humble man. And you told me he recently prophesied what would happen in Bethlehem.

BEN: Yes he did. He believes that a great revival will be birthed in Bethlehem, and some of us that are working with him, and different ministries coming together where nobody cares who gets the credit, we have a passion now for Israel that we’ve never had before. I really believe it’s important that we turn our eyes and turn our hearts toward natural Israel and the spiritual Israel, the Church. But God has a destiny and a plan for natural Israel that’s awesome. And He’s going to come bringing revival into Bethlehem that’s going to spill over and actually make the Jerusalem Jews jealous of the presence of God that’s come into Bethlehem. And revival will happen among the Jews, and Israel will be saved.

SID: You know, I talk a lot about the one new man that Paul talks about in Ephesians, where he says the reason the Messiah came was to break down the middle wall of separation between Jew and Gentile to form a brand new species of being that would have the same presence of God that Jewish people have under the Old Covenant, and the same presence of God that we read about that Christians are supposed to have under the New Covenant. But it’s exponential. It says in scriptures that one will cause a thousand to flee, but two will cause ten thousand to flee. It’s an exponential thing. So that’s what’s coming to me as you’re talking about what’s going to happen in Bethlehem. What I’m seeing is that when the Gentile – the Arab – provokes the Jew to jealousy in Israel, all of the things that the United States of America is trying to do to orchestrate peace, there will be no peace until the Czar Shalom, the Prince of Peace, reigns in the heart of the perfect one new man. The Jew and the Arab, middle wall of separation coming down, becoming one. Stretch your gift of prophecy. Prophesy right now.

BRENDA: Right now, there is a young man that has been contemplating suicide, and God is giving you a vision of what He created you to walk in in this hour, and He’s raising you up, actually to oversee and administrate, along with other leaders, the harvest. He’s getting your attention, and right now you’re experiencing the presence of God. He’s just drawing you, and He’s going to open doors for you to visit with other leaders that will actually journey with you. And there are moms right now who have been journeying in fear, fear for their family and fear for their children. And God is going to begin to speak to you, even in the night hours, waking you in the early morning hours, and as you pray, God is going to release all of heaven to minister to your families.

BEN: There are also builders in the audience, that God’s called you to build the kingdom.You’re in construction of some kind, but God is asking you to build His kingdom, in Jesus’ name.

SID: You know, there’s a whole new paradigm coming right now. In the past, the paradigm was that people should make a lot of money, that are Christians, and give money to people that are in full time ministry. And they’ve missed what God is doing. You are in as great a ministry as a person who is a pastor of a church. Your pulpit is the world. It’s the business world that are not going into churches. So it’s a whole new paradigm. You are in ministry, you can prophesy, because that impartation is there. And this book that you’ve written, “Prophetic Ministry: Strategic Key to the Harvest”, between the prayer and reading this book, I believe you’re going to fulfill that dream that you had of these younger people moving up. Ok, the choice is yours. But maybe you haven’t even put your little toes in. It’s time to tell your Father, Father God, “I am so sorry for the sins that I’ve committed.” Adultery, pornography, lying, stealing, addictions, sexual sins – you know what they are. But God is literally weeping for you right now, because He has a plan for you, and His plan is good. His plan is good. Tell your Father who loves you that you’re sorry and you don’t want to be separated from Him, and you believe that Jesus has washed away your sins, and you have made Jesus your Lord. And you ask Him to live inside of you. Not my words, just your words. I’ve interviewed people who have just had two-word prayers: “Jesus, help.” He’s just waiting for you to take a step, and when you take a step, you’re going to experience real love. Not love like the world, but the love of God. It’s pure, it’s clean, it’s what your heart pants for now.

 

SID: Sid Roth here with Mary Jo, affectionately called MaJo by her family, Pennington, and her four-year-old granddaughter should have died, fell straight onto concrete, but she really didn’t fall, she was carried by angels, she saw the angels, her grandfather who is an engineer said it is humanly impossible for her not to have hurt herself, and to have fallen and to turn in mid-air the way she turned, unless there was some supernatural help, and then she went to heaven, and she talked about seeing little boys and little girls, tell me about that.

MARY JO: Yes, she saw eight boys and eight girls and these children ranged in age from around four-years-old to ten- years-old, some of these children had been aborted,
squeezed out before they could live, but one little boy, we found out in an unusual way, we were having, we were at, putting flowers by my mothers grave about two weeks
after she fell, and she had to find the grave of a little boy, she just had to, it was urgent for her to find this grave, and

SID: Didn’t you kind of wonder why a four-year-old is looking for a grave of someone?

MARY JO: Yes, her mother walked all over this huge cemetery looking for it, and the only way she found him, she finally mentioned that the, we wanted to leave and come back another day, and she said, “But the tent will be gone,” and apparently she had observed the tent from another place and knew from the tent how to get to where the grave was, and so they started looking at all…

SID: Observed the tent from another place, what do you mean?

MARY JO: She saw it from heaven.

SID: That’s what I thought you were saying; go ahead.

MARY JO: Michael showed it to her from heaven.

SID: Michael, who is Michael?

MARY JO: One of the eight boys and eight girls.

SID: Okay.

MARY JO: And this is the little boy she is looking for and she, when they finally looked around and they saw a tent over beyond my mothers grave about ninety feet, and so they drove back around and she walked up to that, turned her back to the tent, and looked out across the cemetery as thought getting her bearing, and walked straight to this little boys grave, and she said to her mother, “What does that say?” And she said, “Honey it says a little boy, his name is Michael.” She said this is it, and she saw him in heaven and she said why do we need to find his grave, and she said because there is another one. And she later revealed to us that he was killed in a crash, she told us how the crash happened and it was in the newspaper exactly as she told it to us, except she told us that the car was forced off the road by a big monster truck wit lump, lump tires, and then it hit a cement thing, and then it went through the air, it turned upside down and landed in a tree. Well the newspaper did not give the account of the monster truck because that person left the scene, but the car actually had been stopped by a cop and had been left, and after it left the cop, this was all in the newspaper, it…

SID: Could someone have read that article to her and she just made that up?

MARY JO: No, bubba, her brother, Patrick went back the next day to the cemetery and got the name off the marker, yes, and went to his school and looked it up on the internet and the newspaper clippings were there and he printed them and brought them to us and we were just astonished. Because the first thing her mother said, ask her what color
the car was and we did and she said it was red. She said ask her if it landed upside down or right side up, she said upside down, that’s when she told me all about how the wreck happened, and I was telling it back to Sandy and Sandy was saying man, I’ve got goose bumps, it is so unreal, it is just exactly like it is in the paper.

SID: Now what did she mean, there is another one?

MARY JO: Well there were some custody battles after that, the little boy had lived with his father but he was visiting his mother and her boyfriend wrecked the car and they were both killed, the man and the little boy, and the little boy wanted his sister to stay with his father, actually. He wanted her, him not to, her not to have to go with the mother anymore.

SID: Now how did you know all of these facts?

MARY JO: In the newspaper.

SID: So there is really no explanation for Victoria to have all this information?

MARY JO: No, not at all.

SID: Except to prove to you that there was something way beyond, if only you know what, if you even didn’t have those facts, I don’t see how a four-year-old could imagine what you have told me, even if you didn’t have that verification.

MARY JO: We have never been able to find the little boy whose parents…

SID: Did the little boy tell her anything else about the situation?

MARY JO: Yes, he said that he had been mean to kids at school, and that when the accident happened he had a stake through his throat and he couldn’t speak very well, but he was trying to say God forgive me for being mean to the kids at school. So as young as he was and he was only four and a half when he died, he knew his heart needed to turn to God even as he knew he was dying he asked God to forgive him for being mean to kids at school. Not that he would have gone, he would have gone to heaven anyway, but he knew his heart had to turn to God at that moment and then the angels took him on up to heaven.

SID: Now you told me something else that was interesting that by your swimming
pool people report seeing angels now.

MARY JO: Yes, there is a lifeguard angel that is at this diving board all the time now, he is very large, sometimes I can see him pretty clearly, I can see like breastplates, brown, like chest plate on him, I have seen him very well, but other people can too, when you step out our glass sliding door, and look toward our glass sliding door, the sliding board, you an see like a midst, in the shape of an angel, that you can see through it, but you can clearly see him, and what happens is the bars on the sliding board will reflect in his body, you can see them reflect several times up in his body, there is no reason for them to reflect, there is nothing to reflect there.

SID: Well, I also understand that your granddaughter Victoria goes to heaven often.

MARY JO: Yes, she does, in fact she said when she doesn’t go to heaven, heaven comes down to her.

SID: what does she mean by that?

MARY JO: She can often just look up and see God and Jesus just right there.

SID: You do realize that what you are telling me is very hard for a lot of our viewers to believe, I bet it was hard for you, what convinced you?

MARY JO: A lot of times I have doubt, but it, I’m always convinced because there is no way she would know what she knows, when I, she is a very normal child, when I ask her what she does when she goes out to play, if she can always look up and see God there, she says she just doesn’t look up, she has to keep her head where she can’t see him so she can just be normal and play because a lot of times all she has to do is glance up and see Jesus or God. And I tell her don’t go out to the road, I don’t want you outside by yourself, she said I’m never by myself, Jesus is always with me.

SID: You know what I loved in the book about when she sat in God’s lap, I don’t know about you but I would like to sit in God’s lap.

MARY JO: Well, she had seen God at the baby place and Jesus and her family but when Jesus and her, at the end, started into the Throne Room by themselves to go and tell God bye because she was going to come back, well Jesus wanted her to stay, but when she entered the Throne Room she was afraid of the living creatures, she saw things with lots of eyes and they made lots of noise and they scared her, but once they got past that, God motioned her to come to him and she ran to him and he allowed her to climb up his leg and across his lap into his lap and she…

SID: Now these living creatures are described in the Bible in the Throne Room, how was her description compared to the Bible description?

MARY JO: Well, she now calls them the four faces, but the first she said when she was very small, she was only five when she said they have lots of faces on their face, and she said they have lots of wings, they have lots of eyes on them, and their legs go down straight and they don’t have toes like us.

SID: How could she have known this? How could a four-year-old have known anything like this? You know Mary Jo, it’s, if you just open your Bible and you turn to Ezekiel the first chapter, and you read this four-year-olds account of what happened in her book, it is just like the Bible, she even talks about seeing the lion with the whiskers but she sees something in heaven that there is no way she could have known that happened to MaJo many years ago, which revolutionized Mary Jo’s life, come on back next week and we will continue with you on her adventures in heaven.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Mary Jo Pennington, she is affectionately called by her granddaughter, MaJo, and Majo you got the shock of your life, your granddaughter, you fall, knock her off of the top of the sliding board, she falls down some nine feet onto the cement but she falls in almost a suspended state, where she changes her position, your husband said there is no human explanation then you overhear her talking on the telephone to her mother and she said, six.

MARY JO: Six big, big, big, angels caught her and zoom, took her up to heaven.

SID: Now, I’m sure if it had been me I would have questioned my granddaughter at that point, what did you do?

MARY JO: Well, we were so surprised that we couldn’t think of anything intelligent to ask her, so we asked her what color were their robes and their wings and their robes were white and their wings were white, shiny, sparkling, and the angles themselves glowed, and when, they had, I said how big were they, and she said really big, their hands were this wide, like from here to here, she said and they were warm and glistering and glowing, and when they hold my hand, she said, when them hold my hand my hand
glowed too, they made her light up like a light bulb, she shown like a light bulb.

SID: Now where did they take her?

MARY JO: They took her up, she said they passed all the things that she likes, the trees and the birds, they passed an airplane that was taking off and they were going straight up and the plane was going sideways, she looked back and the earth was getting smaller and smaller, when she first saw it, it was like rounded and then it got where it was like a little ball, and then she, they got to a place, it was way beyond the stars, that there was a stairway that had angels going back and forth up to heaven and her six angels and her continued up the stairway, and when they got to within, they told her to look ahead and it was like there was this big glowing, she said she thought they were going to land on the sun it was so glowing. And they got closer and closer but it wasn’t hot, it just was glowing like the sun but much brighter, and when they landed she was in front of a gate and a small angel, that had been coming up along with her, up the stairs, came over to the gate and tickled the gate with her feather and the gate laughed, and swing open.

SID: Now when she went into heaven she saw some babies, tell me about that.

MARY JO: Yes, she said an angel came out to tell her where was Jesus, and then took her to the baby place, and the baby place that she first was taken to was a really big, really large beautiful building, and in it were long, lots of tables that were very soft, and Jesus and the angels were working on little babies that Victoria could hold in her hand, and they were making them whole, and the babies, even though they stayed little, they instantly, after Jesus made them whole, had mental capacity to be able to speak and understand and they were made strong to where they could use their arms and their legs but they stayed little, they grow the normal size that they would on the earth, but when they are made whole they have full mental capacity.

SID: Now in your book you talk about some terminology she uses about, she said the baby would squeeze out, explain that.

MARY JO: Yes, she went to this other room they had a beautiful baby room and this little baby, the first baby she saw she said her was squeezed out of her mama before her were old enough to live. And we met several babies there that were, and then she started to tell me about a little baby that had gone full term, but she started to look kind of sick when she told me about her, she said she was the garbage baby.

SID: You know what, a four-year-old, is there any way a four-year-old could know about abortion?

MARY JO: No, there is no way, but she, each of the babies that had been aborted were this little and they were squeezed out before they were old enough to live, and then the garbage baby was left at a dumpster and it died. And when the garbage baby told her that story, she became a little sad, and they went and got, a kangaroo came and put her in her pouch, it was a warm place for this little baby to be, and the kangaroo actually took them for a ride out in this beautiful park and Victoria couldn’t fit all the way in and she hung her legs out and they went bouncing, they would bounce as high as the sky, and…

SID: You know what, if she was making this whole thing up, here is the deal as I see it, number one, the way she fell with not anything even broken, you can tell there is something supernatural, me, I don’t have a better explanation than angels caught her, and for a four-year-old to have such a graphic description of abortion, but it gets even more exciting than that, she sees things in heaven that we read about in the scriptures, again, there would be no way she could know these facts but let’s go to a clip of a report on the children she saw in heaven. Victoria: there was eight boys, eight girls; there was eight boys, eight girls.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here, welcome to my world where it is naturally supernatural. What would you do, you have your granddaughter over, you are enjoying yourself in your swimming pool in the back yard, and all of a sudden Mary Joe Pennington decides to go up on the diving board and she yells out, “My God, I have broken my baby,” what happened?

MARY JO: Well I climbed to the top of the sliding board I have a slid that goes down into the pool, with great caution and care because I hadn’t done that in over four years, and as I got to the top, Victoria said, “MaJo, can I come up and slid down with you? And I said sure, and she, I didn’t realize she just scooted right up behind me, she was just right behind me, and my old knees just gave way and I fell flat, really hard, and my body hit her and she went flying backwards at a very high rate of speed and it was nine feet to the concrete, and I just screamed, “Oh God, I have broken my baby,” and I kept screaming that and screaming it and…

SID: Don, you were watching, first of all what is your profession?

DON: I’m an engineer.

SID: All right, this is your granddaughter too, what did you see with your eyes.

DON: Well, I was in the pool and alongside the pool about opposite where the sliding board was, and I heard MaJo scream, I wasn’t looking at her at the time but I heard her scream, “Oh God, I’ve broken my baby,” and I looked up in time to watch Victoria fly backwards away from the sliding board, and she stretched out horizontally, her little
body stretched out horizontally, I saw it rotate 180 degrees so her feet were pointing in the opposite direction.

SID: While she was still horizontal in the air.

DON: Horizontal.

SID: You’re an engineer, how can you account for that?

DON: Well, what I was seeing was not making sense to my brain, and then I saw her almost float and not only go straight down to the concrete but she moved over about six
feet away from the sliding board and settled down on her little backside and her elbows and hands. And I just couldn’t believe what, I expected to see her body flying in all kinds of parts.

SID: So you obviously went to examine what was going on, where were you, were you still on top of the sliding board?

MARY JO: Yes, I couldn’t get down at all, and I couldn’t see her when she was behind me and then suddenly, and she didn’t scream, I was screaming, but she didn’t scream, but suddenly I saw her settle in my view where I could see her, and I felt as though I had to keep my eyes on her if I glanced away she would fall into a million pieces, I just had to keep eye contact wit her and I was still screaming I’ve broken my baby but I just knew
that if I stopped, I don’t know why I felt like I could hold her together just by looking at her, and then Grandpa came around to check her out.

SID: What did you see?

DON: Well, she was trying to get up, she said, “Grandpa, I’m okay, I’m all right,” and she
was physically trying to get up. And I made her lay still, and I said please let me check you all over, because I did not know what I was going to find.

SID: You’re telling me she fell over thrust like with a force and fell nine feet onto cement?

DON: Right.

SID: Yeah, so, who was with her?

DON: I checked her over, I checked, you know her head, and her neck and her spine, her arms and her legs, and they all worked and there was no blood and she appeared perfectly normal, so at that point I did let her get up and then I noticed two little places on her body, she had a little scrape on her right elbow, and a little red mark on her palm, and that is the only evidence of any injury that I could find.

SID: Okay, you are an engineer, a logical man, how do you account for this, it’s not making sense to my brain.

DON: Well, it didn’t make sense to mine and I can’t account for it now, it’s – in light of what we learned later, from talking to Victoria, but at that time it just made no sense to me at all.

SID: Now, MaJo, when you heard your granddaughter talking to her mother on the
telephone you got your first inkling of what really was going on, what did you over hear?

MARY JO: She said, “Mommy, I’m not broken, Majo knocked me off the slide, and I heard God yell, “Save the children, catch Victoria, and six big, big, big, big angels came and caught me and zoom, took me right up to heaven.”

SID: Now Don, is there any other explanation for how she fell and the fact that she didn’t break her body?

DON: No, not to me there’s not.

SID: I can’t think of anything.

DON: well we just thought it was a great miracle of God’s protection that kept her from serious injury, but when we heard her talk to her mother on the phone that she had gone to heaven, we were just, we didn’t know what to think at that point.

MARY JO: Speechless.

SID: Okay, they had like a home video of Victoria when this happened and her reporting on what she saw; let’s go to that right now.

Video: all right, now show me what happened.

Victoria: From that.

MARY JO: Show me.

Victoria: When the angel caught me, I said boom.

SID: Okay, now that’s kind of, she’s seven now, I can see where you went from vague, to a miracle, you must have been a grateful grandmother.

MARY JO: I was, I couldn’t stop thanking God, for this wonderful blessing that he gave us that he saved her, I just couldn’t stop.

SID: And she keeps going back to heaven, we’ll be back in just a few minutes, don’t go away, I know you’ll be back.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Alyosha and Jody Ryabinov, and Alyosha, I had something amazing happen the other night. I was watching television, and I heard a man speaking about predictions in the Bible, and it was fine. It was very good, very stimulating intellectually. But then, all of a sudden he said a Hebrew prayer, and I could feel the presence of God. It just accelerated. Why do you believe that’s going on? Why is there such a supernatural presence of God on the language of Hebrew?

ALYOSHA: Well again, we were talking about science just catching up with the word of God.

We know that God spoke the word of God first to Moses in the Hebrew language.

SID: Of course.

ALYOSHA: And there was a Swiss scientist, Hans Jenny, and I’m not a scientist, I’m just retelling it in simple words, but he had an experiment. He created this instrument called a tonoscope, and he would put sounds at one end and he would beam it to a different substance, like sand, to see what kind of shapes the sound would create. And then he tried different speech, different languages. None of the modern languages responded, did anything. But when somebody spoke Hebrew into the tonoscope, it started to put Hebrew vowels on the sand.

SID: You’re telling me the sound took shape from this tonoscope, and the actual vowels from Hebrew were outlined in the sand?

ALYOSHA: Yes, they were outlined in the sand, and there are pictures on the internet you can look up. Yeah.

JODY: This was done in 1967. 1967.

SID: Ahh. Very historic year for Israel. Tell me more about this Hebrew language. You just did a music CD in which a sabra, a native-born Israeli, spoke the words of God in Hebrew. Alyosha, you played that for your congregation, and what effect did it have on the people there?

ALYOSHA: Well actually I want to tell you this, that when I was mixing the CD, you know, I have to listen to the whole thing, and I was just sitting as one track was copying to another, and I started to see all kinds of images that I haven’t seen before. It was like, gosh, I’m seeing visions.

So I said let’s make an experiment and see how people in our congregation respond. And we have a practice where we like to put on quiet music and sit in the presence of God, and just receive rest from Him and love from Him, you know. And so, I brought this CD and said “We’re going to do this with a CD today.” And so as it was going, I think as it ended, it just went for about thirty minutes, people stood frozen. They just couldn’t move, and I think for another ten minutes, they could not move. And when they started to talk, gradually they said that they have not experienced the depth of the rest in their lives, like they had experienced listening to this.

SID: We’re going to have you, in a little bit in this program, play on the piano. But you don’t just play music anymore. What are you expecting God to do when you play on a piano?

ALYOSHA: Well I believe that music has languages. God can do healing, God can bring people into rest, God can give people visions. Often in our congregation, I’ll just go to the piano and I’ll say “Hey, let’s see what God is speaking to you.” I mean we can all hear God, because He created us. Sometimes people come to the piano, they touch the piano so they will get healed, because those frequencies that we just spoke about, come through the sound, and they go through the wood into our body, and if they’re healing, they just align whatever needs to be aligned in the cells, and the person gets healed.

SID: Literally, I can imagine that when I pray for someone now, now that I understand how sound operates, the highest frequencies, if you will, are the words of God, written in the truth book, the Bible. And when this word of God is spoken, literally the matter of the body rearranges. And when the word of God, and that’s what Alyosha’s saying, it’s prophetic playing of music, when this word of God comes through the vibrations of the music, it literally is going to rearrange your cells. I would imagine, this is such a new tool that we’ll be offering, but I believe we’re going to get reports of people with insomnia that can sleep, people with all sorts of tumors that are going to disappear, blood disease is going to be normal. But I can’t wait to hear you play that piano. Tell you what, you prepare your heart to have the very fibers of your being rearranged, as you hear the presence of God coming on this piano. Don’t go away, we’ll be right back, and you’re going to hear Alyosha play prophetically.

On It’s Supernatural: Scientists discover the Hebrew language that Jesus spoke has the power to actually move mountains.

SID: Welcome to my world, where it’s naturally supernatural. I mean, this is the norm. I am so excited about this show, because for the first time, we’re finding out that science, true science, that’s dealing with true facts, are beginning to figure out that the words that the famous Jewish rabbi – the King of the Jews, Yeshua – said, are true. He said you could speak to a mountain,

and if you would believe, that mountain would be obliterated. We’re now finding out that there is a realm of science called quantum mechanics, quantum physics, that examines the unseen world.

And literally, the energy behind the voice causes matter to rearrange and change. And here’s what it’s done for me. When I understand the science behind it, my faith in the miraculous just skyrockets. My guests, Alyosha and Jody Ryabinov. Jody, what about you? When you  understood for the first time this scientific law of quantum mechanics, what did it do for your faith?

JODY: It just skyrocketed my faith, because I could believe then that the word of God is real and true. And when God spoke this world into existence, Sid, we read in Genesis chapter 1 that He spoke the word and the world came into existence. And so everything begins with a spoken word, with sound, with frequencies, and science is backing that up now with quantum mechanics and quantum physics.

SID: But before we get to that, Alyosha, what is a nice Jewish Russian concert pianist doing in a church? Why did you go to a church?

ALYOSHA: You’re talking way back then when I grew up in the city of Kiev. And actually I grew up as an atheist. I didn’t know anything about my background as being Jewish. The only reason I knew I was Jewish is somebody else would remind me about it. I guess I look like one.

But we didn’t practice any of the traditions, didn’t know anything. But in the late ‘70’s, the door was opened from communist Russia for the Jews to go out to Israel and to other countries. And so our family also wanted to leave, because there was no future for me and my sister to pursue our careers and our lives. Still, it was very, very difficult. Many people were denied visas, many people were refused for no reason, and their lives just got stuck with that. And so, I felt like I needed a supernatural intervention into my life, because I did not know whether they would let me go or not. And I thought “Well, I’d like to pray to God.” I didn’t know if God existed, nobody really taught me about God. But there was a church there that I knew, it was a Greek Orthodox church, and I knew absolutely nothing about that religion. I just wanted to go and pray.

SID: Sure.

ALYOSHA: So I walk into that church, and there were different pictures, and I got confused in the beginning. “Which one is God here? I thought God is one.” But there was a picture of Jesus there, and I just felt comfortable calling Him God. Don’t know why. So I said “Jesus, if you are the true and living God, make it possible for us to leave.” And guess what? About a week or two passed, and we received permission to immigrate.

SID: So this great miracle happened, but he got to the United States, and he’s pursuing his career as a concert pianist. You come from how many generations of musicians?

ALYOSHA: Well at least 3, maybe more.

SID: And you would play the piano. Up to how many hours a day would you practice?

ALYOSHA: When I got to my teen years, I had to practice 4 or 5 hours a day.

SID: So I would have to think your god was really your music.

ALYOSHA: It was, yes.

SID: Ok, so he gets to the States, he quickly forgets that this Jesus answered his prayer, but he had an encounter one night in his bedroom with the supernatural. What happened?

ALYOSHA: My sister became a believer first, and she reminded me about Jesus.  I remember that I prayed to Him, but I wasn’t sure. This was one encounter. And see, by the way, people ask me “Where did you hear about God in the first place?” And I grew up with atheism, but I tell them the first people that taught me about God were atheists.

SID: How could they teach you about God?

ALYOSHA: They have to explain to you who doesn’t exist, and so…

SID: So that’s how you knew. He doesn’t exist.

ALYOSHA: Yeah. Why put so much effort to prove that God doesn’t exist, if He doesn’t even exist? It doesn’t make sense to me.

SID: Good point.

ALYOSHA: But that night, when my sister started to share about Jesus, and I said “Is it right for Jewish people to believe in Jesus?” So I was in my room, and I asked the Lord, if He was real, if Jesus was real, to give me some sign. I know now that the Bible says that a Jew will ask for a sign. That’s what I did. And suddenly, a bright light filled the room, just for a few moments, but I knew it had no place it could’ve come from…

SID: Was it a street lamp, or…?

ALYOSHA: No, and it was early morning, it was totally cloudy. There was not even a place for the sun to go through. But the room just illuminated, and I knew, I got my sign.

SID: And shortly thereafter, he’s still resisting, but someone says “Do you want to believe Jesus is your Messiah and Lord?” And even though he wasn’t ready yet, out of his mouth came…

ALYOSHA: I was asked “Do you want to accept Jesus as your Messiah?” And I was going to say no, instead came out yes, to my surprise

SID: Wait till you hear about the supernatural music now that he’s playing, with a supernatural language. Don’t go away.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Linda Josef, and we’re talking about the best miracles of the people I’ve interviewed in over 30 years of investigative reporting of miracles. And Linda, an example of just the most tenacious, pressing faith are the Raatzs. Tell me about it.

LINDA: That would have to be Dale Raatz. His wife had a devastating stroke, and the doctor said she’s gonna die. She’s not gonna make it. He did not believe it was God’s will for her to die. He began to press in, in faith for her healing and he just proclaiming healing scriptures. And the wife didn’t die, as the doctors projected, so they moved her to another long-term hospital. He continued to proclaim healing over her. He brought in tapes and praise music. He just didn’t give up.

SID: And he was doing it, you know, and that’s so important, 24 hours, seven days a week playing praise music. And he had to have supernatural favor because the hospital really didn’t want it. But God gave him favor.

LINDA: And also told him that faith works through love and not to despair with the doctors’ attitudes or the nurses, but to requite with love. And eventually, his wife woke up and came back to all of her faculties, and today she’s working in the ministry with him. And I think Dale would not have been able to persist like that if he didn’t believe the passage in Isaiah 53:5, which ends with saying that, “He has borne our grief and carried our sorrows, and by his stripes we are healed,” meaning that we are healed of our sins and our sicknesses, which are both works of the devil. You really see this coming together in communion, because communion draws our attention directly to the work that Jesus did on the cross, which to many people seems strange. Why should the Son of God have to die? But he died to take our pains and our guilt, and our sorrows that we could be healed.

SID: Well now you’re talking about Dr. John Miller and he had revelation on communion. You see, he recognized that from the Jewish perspective, and you got to recognize, you have to look at everything in the Bible through Jewish eyes, and he recognized that it was a Jewish Passover Seder that was the Last Supper. And I want you to partake with us right now. But what are some of the things you learned about communion from doing the research?

LINDA: One of the things Dr. Miller found was that in 2 Corinthians:11, Paul says that, “You have failed to discern the body, and for that reason many of you are sick and some have died prematurely.” And John, one of the few people to ever have this insight, that discerning the bodiment to understand what it is you’re taking when you take the bread, and so he would encourage people to take the bread of communion like a medicine, and when you chew the bread to meditate on the punishment that Jesus took on our behalf so that his beating was the punishment that I deserve for my sin. And as you enter into that mystery, healing comes.

SID: You know what’s so wonderful, Linda, is he also points out meditate on the lamb, because there wasn’t one feeble among them that when they went out from Egypt, not one feeble in millions of slaves with no doctors, no medicine, nothing but God. Let’s take a look at John talking about this with a race driver that had a problem with his vision.

JOHN: There’s always a physical and a spiritual significance and meaning to everything that God does. When they ate the brain of that lamb their brains were to be healed, but they were also to take on the mind of Christ. When they ate the eyes of that lamb they were not only to have their eyes healed but see things the way Jesus sees them. When they ate the heart of that lamb their heart was to be healed, but they were to take the heart of Christ, too. I have a friend that was a very famous race driver, drove Indy twice that wrecked on the Sacramento Mile, lost the peripheral vision of his right eye. Two o’clock in the morning in my living room, we broke the bread and he imaged that bread as that lamb, and when he ate the eye of that lamb his eye was instantly healed.

SID: How about you? Are you ready for your miracle? I know I’m ready. Linda, are you ready for your miracle? I mean, I am so ready. Are you ready for Jewish communion? It was a Passover Seder the Messiah took the matzo, he broke off a piece, and he said, “This represents my body, which was broken for you. And then he prayed a Hebrew prayer, which we know what that prayer is today, [chanting] [Hebrew]. You may eat. Then he held up the grape juice and he said, “This represents the blood, the blood of the New Covenant.” And Leviticus 17:11 says, “The life of the flesh is in the blood.” The life of Messiah is in His blood, which He shed for us. And Jeremiah 31:31 says, “A new covenant is coming,” and 31:34 says, “This covenant will accomplish two things. God will remember our sins no more and you will know Him.” Now imagine this represents the blood of Yeshua. Imagine the blood of Yeshua is running through your entire body, Linda. And I do this often. I do this daily. And we have a paper cup. Anyone can do this. You don’t have to go into a church service. And the early Jewish believers did this early. That’s why it’s so exciting. This was their form of Divine health. What’s better than a healing or a miracle, walking in Divine health? This is like taking medicine everyday, but see it as either a miracle or a progressive healing. He took the grape juice and he said [chanting] [Hebrew]. Linda, one nugget that you learned about communion from working on the research.

LINDA: That you can take it like a medicine and that your meditation should be directed by the Holy Spirit, that every time you take it will be different. Let the Holy Spirit direct you in a meditation.

SID: So it shouldn’t be religious ritual. I’m doing it because I have to do it. That’s called religion. “Religion stinketh,” quoting King James, that is. But it becomes the most vital. It becomes the highlight of your day. And you wrote a quote that I had about the difference between a miracle and a healing. Explain that quickly.

LINDA: Well it was a quote from your Introduction, and it said that, “A healing is a gradual, progressive process. A miracle is a sudden all at once thing.” And your line that I really like is, “Don’t miss your healing because you’re waiting for a miracle.”

SID: I’d like that line to end with also, “Don’t miss your healing because you’re waiting for a miracle. You have begun your healing right now. Rejoice and thank God for it in Yeshua’s name.”

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with David and Kathie Walters, and we are having more fun than humans should have but you know what that is normal and it is about time you get the lemon out of your mouth and you stop being so religious and you have, you become like a little child, and Kathie, I have to tell you, you remind me of a little child, tell me what happened in Ireland.

 

KATHIE: Okay, we were doing this meeting in Ireland. We ministered to the children and all the kids came forward, there was about 70 I guess, and David prayed or them and the Holy spirit came on them and they all fell out on the floor in the Holy Spirit, and the presence off God was all over them. Well I stood and watched them, it was the strangest, funniest things because I watched from their feet, their feet went bright red, I mean like a lobster.

 

SID: So it was like the presence of God was so strong.

 

KATHIE: It was like fire, fire, like I told you I can feel now, like fire, and their feet were bright red and it gradually went all up their legs, all up their arms, all into their heads, so they were all laying there like lobsters, I mean they looked really strange, but then they laid there for probably

have an hour but them some of them got up and they began to, it was like they were playing instruments, you know different instruments, and one of the little girls began to dance, they told us afterwards they were in heaven and they were dancing with the angels and the angels were showing them different instruments to play, and I mean you could see all of this but they weren’t

aware of you because…

 

DAVID: It was like a mime show.

 

KATHIE: Yeah, it was like miming. And then they, at the end they just laid back on the floor and the red came from their head out of them, out of their feet and then they got up.

 

SID: Now those children will never, ever forget that experience and they have a legitimate chance of being normal. David, tell me about healings you have seen when the children are actually praying for the healing.

 

DAVID: Yes, yeah when I preach to children I tell them that God can use anybody, you know in the Bible he used a bush, you know he used a rod, he used a rooster, a donkey, so he can use children, he doesn’t have to wait until they go to seminary – cemetery – I mean seminary, before God can use them, sorry about that. So they began to believe it, and them I asked, I do several

meetings with the whole families, and then we end up with having a miracle service in which I teach the children how to pray for people. So we don’t have to wait for some big evangelist, healing evangelist to come in, and the people come up and I say let these children pray for them, don’t patronize them but let them pray for you, and I don’t actually tell them to pray, I tell them to command the sickness to go, command the deafness to go, I say don’t ask God to do it, don’t say

please God make them better, I say you tell that deaf spirit to go, you tell that blind spirit to go, you tell that condition in their back to be healed in Jesus Name, and they start out a little bit reticent but as they begin to see God move they get bolder and bolder and then in the end they

will pray for anything that moves. And so we have had blind eyes opened, I remember one

woman she was totally blind in one eye and the children prayed for her and then she began to read the notice and the church called me the following week and said she could read the Bible 20/20 vision, with a week, it was totally healed, we have had so many deaf people healed, the children pray for the deaf, and I love it when, not when they are hard of hearing, but when they are totally deaf or practically deaf, take out their hearing aids and the children pray for them, sometimes they pray two or three times and then the easy open.

 

SID: And isn’t it a tragedy, you know what we do with children, we have videos for them, popcorns, or that vision that you had, children going to amusement parks and what are other religions doing with their children? They are training them. Can you imagine getting a little child and not teaching them any unbelief?

 

DAVID: Absolutely, yeah, yeah, absolutely, and then of course I remember years ago in a Kenneth Copeland convention back in England, there was a little girl called Zoe, 8 years of age who got filled with the Spirit of God in our meetings and she came down at the end of the meeting and adults were coming out of their meeting and she saw a man in a wheelchair and she was 8 years of age and she laid hands on him and said, “Get up of that wheelchair in Jesus Name,” and he got out of the wheelchair after being crippled for six years. And several years later I talked to a man and he said he lived in Brighton, and I said, “Oh I was in a Kenneth Copeland convention in Brighton, did you ever hear about that little girl named Zoe who got that man healed?” He said, “Oh yeah, that man was m brother.” He was a pastor; it was a pastor’s brother who was healed.

 

SID: Kathie, last night we were having dinner, minding our own business, and you told me that there was an angel. What was this angel doing?

 

KATHIE: He was walking up and down behind the table making little notes, I think. The angles like to, the angels love to hear revelation actually, and I think he was picking up.

 

SID: Don’t angels know everything there is to know?

 

KATHIE: The Bible doesn’t say that it says the angels desire to look in and understand, especially when it comes to salvation because angels are heirs, they are servants and ministers, so I have seen angels reading books, really good books that had revelation.

 

SID: And like almost every day are your eyes open to see?

 

KATHIE: Well see, the angels are around all the time, the chariots of God are around all the time, it is just a question of seeing what is already there, it is not for special people, that is our inheritance, that is for everybody, it is just only seeing what is already there that is what I keep telling people.

 

SID: Could you pray for everyone that is watching right now, both of you that there would be an acceleration of the supernatural and a jumpstart of the faith, and they would begin to see angels and demons and vision’s and all the stuff that’s normal!

 

DAVID: It would frighten the life out of some people

 

SID: Well listen, just don’t pray the prayer if it bothers you, but I don’t know about you, I want to be normal, I can’t stand just tradition, learn by rote, listen, I come from a Jewish background, if I wanted tradition I would have stayed in Orthodox Judaism, “Tradition,” so I went to Christianity and I found more “Tradition,” I want God. Will you pray for people?

 

KATHIE: Yeah, do we have time for the guesthouse story?

 

SID: It depends on how fast you can tell it.

 

KATHIE: I’ll tell it fast, okay, I’ll try, because it is really awesome, but we were in a guesthouse having like a retreat thing, this was in England, and we had an evening meeting and we left the meeting and went into the guesthouse to get coffee and stuff, and suddenly people came out screaming David, Kathie. And we went back into the meeting room, there was a group of teenagers standing around, this one boy had been saved that day, a little Catholic boy had got saved that day, and he was in the middle of the room like in a trance with his finger like this going around the room and when his finger got opposite, someone the power of God would hit them and they would fall on the floor, start confessing things, weeping, getting right with God.

And people were trying to leave but they couldn’t because their feet were glued to the floor, that’s why they were screaming.

 

SID: Kathie, pray right now, look in the camera and pray for a release of the supernatural.

 

KATHIE: Okay, thank you Lord, Father in the Name of Jesus I just pray for people that are watching today this program, and Lord, that is our inheritance, is that supernatural realm of God, that is our inheritance for everybody and God I just pray for a release of it right now in the mighty Name of Jesus, I just pray that people’s eyes will be opened, their ears will be opened in the supernatural realm of God that they will se the chariots, they will se the angels, they will see what their inheritance really is and know it is for them, it is for every single believer, and I come against every religious spirit that tells people it is not for you, you are not spiritual enough, I take authority over it and I thank you Lord for sending even angels to speak and minister right now and minister to people and help them to see what you already have for them Father, in Jesus Name, just pray for acceleration. Amen.

SID: Sid Roth here with Earthquake Kelly. Demons told this 15-year-old kid how to get high.

Their intent was to kill him. He had four different drug combinations in large quantities and he took it and he passes out and his buddies, what did they do, take you in a car, what did they want to do with you?

 

EARTHQUAKE: Just take me home.

 

SID: What happened?

 

EARTHQUAKE: Well on the way home I died. And the evil spirits came out the same way I was talking to them, they came out, grabbed me, snatched me out of my body and was pulling me down, I mean I was going down into a pit and then when I got to this pit they started tormenting me, it was like they were coming from everywhere, they were in my mouth, they were in my eyes, they were hitting me with all kinds of things, they were yelling and telling me that I worked for them, it was a trap and a setup and you did all our bidding for us and now you are in hell. And it was a horrible thing.

 

SID: Were you really in hell?

 

EARTHQUAKE: I was in hell, it was a real place for sure, it was real, it is real, it is not made for us, designed and made for the devil and his angels and that’s where I wound up at. That overdose of drugs was a trick from the pits of hell. The drugs were a trick to set me up, to stop my heart, to get me lost for eternity.

 

SID: What did you see?

 

EARTHQUAKE: Oh I saw all kinds of horror and misery, it’s a lonely, miserable, ugly, stinky, sulfur smelling, nasty, pitiful, horrible place that you can’t even hardly describe it.

 

SID: Did you hear people saying anything?

 

EARTHQUAKE: Oh you could hear all kinds of promises and people screaming and yells and sounds that just torment 24 hours, seven days a week of nothing but misery and torment and I was down there amongst them, with them and all that torment. But there was hands of light came down inside of that place and that pit that I was in and grabbed me by my shoulders and started pulling me out of there. And I could see even as I was pulling out of there Sid, those spirits were still trying to hold on to me saying, he’s ours, he belongs to us, but the hand of light pulled me, and took me out of there and put me back in my body. And he says because of your mother’s prayers, that’s what I’ll never forget, you were spared and because you were chosen to do a work for us Sid, but it kept saying because of your mothers prayers.

 

SID: Who was saying it?

 

EARTHQUAKE: It was God’s voice; it was God who said, “Because of your mothers prayers.”

And that’s what I heard and I said, oh God I’ve been to hell and at that point I didn’t even know to thank God because I was so wicked, I was a wizard and everything like that but I knew that something had happened.

 

SID: But you were still, you were kind of messed up physically.

 

EARTHQUAKE: I was messed up really bad, I was messed up in my mind, messed up an optic nerve because it messed up parts of my body, I realized I couldn’t walk, and so when I came back into my body the people that was driving the car they opened the car door and they said get out, and I tried to walk but I fell over into the ground because of the lower extremities that wouldn’t work, and so I had to pull the top of my body all the way to the top of the stairs and then I rang the doorbell and one of my sisters came to the door, being from my background they know an overdose because we had many people to die of an overdose around us, and she could tell.

 

SID: Okay, shortly thereafter one of your sisters invites you to church, you are doing drug deals, I mean even seeing hell, how could you still be doing drug deals?

 

EARTHQUAKE: Messed up in the mind.

 

SID: Okay, so you go, why did you even go with your sister?

 

EARTHQUAKE: because she kept telling me, “You need to be saved.” And at that time I had just went to hell, but there was a big shipment of drugs coming in and my cut was a million dollars and at 15 years-old a million dollars we could have bought an extra hamburger or something, you know.

 

SID: Okay, you get into that church and the only word I can come up with is crazy. You get into this church, what happens?

 

EARTHQUAKE: I get into the church; I’m sitting in the back, she convinced me to go, I was real mad because I didn’t want to be around Pentecostal anything, I was real mad and I said sit me in the back. So she sits me in the back and the preacher is preaching and I said okay, good, I’m finished. The next night she said oh you’re going back. I said no I’m not going back to church no more, I’m finished with church; I’ve got to get out of here, I’ve got a drug deal, a big one, real big one, the biggest one we ever had. She said no you’re going to church. So I said okay, I’ll go to church. After two or three days of that the preacher said hey you back in the back, young man.

But I didn’t know he was talking to me, I thought he was talking to somebody else. So everybody in the church turns around, so I turned around too, to see the young man he was talking to, but there wasn’t nobody else back there but me. I said man, he’s talking to me. And so he said come up here in the front God wants to save you. And is said oh man, I got mad, I said I don’t want,

I don’t want this Jesus stuff, you know I got things to do. But I heard a voice that I had never heard before. He said “I love you, remember when they had the gun to the head and the gun wouldn’t go off, when it went up in the air,” He said, “That was me.” “Remember when you were almost killed, remember when you were set up to do this and that drug deal went bad and this, that and another, he said all those times I saved you, I spared you.” He said come up here I want to save you and use you. I got out of that seat Sid, went to the front, and the pastor told me everything I had been in, he told me like he was there with me as I was growing up, he gave me all, I mean he just read everything off to me and he said you were this, you put curses on people, you did that, he told me everything. I said how can you know all of that, you don’t know me.

But it was God that told him, and at that time God was speaking to me to, at the same time he said I will use you, I can do more for you, I said hold it God, hold it, hold it. I said you know what I do, I do bad things to people, I said but if you want me you are going to have to do more for me that I was for the devil because I am a wicked person, I put curses on people and they die, and I do bad stuff, but thanks be to God, Sid, he saved me. It was like a ton of bricks fell off of me and I tell you he has been using me ever since.

 

SID: Do you know who the real hero is? The real hero of Earthquake Kelly’s story is his mom.

If you had known the beatings she went through and how she tenaciously held onto God for Earthquake’s life. Let’s go to a pre-recorded telephone call we had with her.

 

MRS. KELLY:  I am a mother of ten children, five boys and five girls. And so I would like to say now to the mothers, please do not give up, pray for your children, we need the children and children are a blessing from the Lord. God is such a loving Father and he listens to what we say, he knows our hearts, he has our feelings. There is always a God that is waiting with his arms stretched out. He loves you, he will hear your prayers and he will take care of the children. Father God, bless the mothers with their mind stayed on him. Amen.

 

SID: You may say, well that’s wonderful, I don’t have a mother that is praying for me like that, I don’t have a hero that is calling and pleading with God. Well maybe you don’t, I come from a Jewish background, you better believe my mother wasn’t praying to God for me, but someone, somewhere did. And just in case you don’t know who is praying for you, I am going to pray for you right now. Just for you. It is not an accident you are watching. I pray that the spiritual scales come off of your eyes, I pray that you experience the acceptance and the forgiveness that Earthquake experienced, that I have experienced, I pray in Yeshua, in Jesus name that you would feel God’s embrace. I pray that you would recognize that God is too good to sin against. And if you tell him you are sorry for the mistakes that you have made, no matter how big they are, God   will wipe them away, it is too good because God is love. You have never experienced love I pray for you that you would know the love of God and experience the shalom, the peace of God that passes any drug or any experience you have ever had. It is what you are created for. To have intimacy with God, intimacy with God through Jesus, that’s the deal. Take it; grab it.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Darren Wilson, Darren you told me that homeless guy was panhandling for money after he got physically healed, what did he do about the money?

DARREN: He totally forgot, he was so happy and so excited he forgot to ask for it.

SID: You told me you have been showing this film all over to students, you showed it at Judson University where you are a professor, what happened?

DARREN: Well we showed it there and God showed up. I mean he shows up every time it is shown. And a bunch of kids were healed of depression, I had a girl who the next, two days later I was teaching a class and she raised her hand before it started and she said, “Professor Wilson, I just want to thank you for making that movie, I have struggled with depression my entire life and after that movie was over I got prayer and it is gone. Every day like for two days now I have woke up and I am the happiest person, I have never been this happy.” And two weeks later I talked to her again and she is still just bubbling over with joy.

SID: And gold dust appears when this is shown?

DARREN: Gold dust, yes, a lot of times that happens, it is just when God’s glory shows up, and gold dust shows up with it I guess. But yeah we showed it at Judson and about twenty students got gold dust on their hands, it was shown at a youth group in Michigan in like fifteen minute segments and they turned it off after the first fifteen minutes, turned on the lights, and all the boys were covered in gold dust. Just strange things.

SID: I have got to hear about Mozambique, you met a woman by the name of Heidi Baker and she has a strategy to reach Mozambique, and in particular, orphans. Tell me what her strategy is.

DARREN: Well first of all let me just say Heidi is the most loving person I have ever encountered in my entire life.

SID: I can tell you when I saw your video it just provoked me to jealousy and I prayed, I don’t know how it affected you or anyone else, but I prayed God I want to love people like Heidi.

DARREN: Yeah, she is fantastic, anyway what she will do is they will go into a Muslim village, a village that’s never heard the name of Jesus before, they go deep into the bush of Africa here, and they will go into these villages and she will do some singing and dancing, and everybody comes because of what’s going on, and what they will do, she will then, she will preach, for fifteen, twenty minutes, tell them that Jesus is real, tell them who he is, they will usually show the Jesus film at some point, then she will, what she has done is she says, “I am going to prove to you that Jesus is real.” And so she says, “Bring me your deaf, bring me your blind, bring me your crippled, whoever you have got here who needs to be healed, bring them up here right now.” And so the village will you know, bring up the deaf people say, and she will ask the whole village, do you all agree this man, this woman is deaf? Do you attest to that? And they will all say, yes, yes, yes, she is deaf. And so Heidi and her children, these orphans that she has taken in will lay hands on this person and they will pray for him and instantly their ears will be opened, their eyes will be opened, and the entire village will be converted literally in one day because the signs proceeded the invitation into the Kingdom.

SID: You went to Turkey with the Gypsies, tell me about the Gypsies and tell me about Heidi when she went with you there.

DARREN: Yeah, well the Gypsy trip was really interesting, we spent ten days with the Gypsies in Turkey and Bulgaria, and you know I didn’t realize until I got over there exactly how hated the Gypsies are around the world. Here in America they are kind of like a novelty you know there is something exotic about the Gypsies, but over there they are a real problem, they are scoundrels, they steal, you know nobody likes them. And so we went and we were encountering Gypsies that had been completely transformed by the love of God, and they had turned their life around.

SID: They really know how to celebrate.

DARREN: They know how to celebrate.

SID: Fun.

DARREN: Yeah, they love to dance; they love to dance. So we were over there and it was actually the last thing that I filmed in the whole journey. We were in Istanbul, in a little Gypsy village, and there was a, Heidi had joined us for the last couple of days out there, and there was a woman there, a Muslim woman who was blind in one eye, and Heidi was trying to pray for her, for healing in her eye, but she had to rely on this Turkish pastor to be her interpreter, and it was a really interesting segment, and as I was filming it I knew that this was one of those moments where you just dream as a filmmaker, I can’t believe I am capturing this on film because on the one hand you have Heidi, who just exudes love, and that is her whole life.

SID: When I saw the footage in Mozambique of Heidi with the orphans, how many orphans does she have?

DARREN: They have over seven thousand.

SID: Did you get that? Seven thousand orphans and she, it seems like she has orphans around her hugging, hugging, she is hugging them, all the time, that love that you said exudes, that is what I am illustrating right now.

DARREN: Yeah, and so she is trying to just love this woman and pray for her but the Turkish pastor wants to convert this woman first, and so you have this kind of dichotomy, on the one hand you have got just love with no strings attached, no obligations, God loves you and you know, let God touch you and then you have to decide for yourself. Whereas on the other hand, you have got religion coming in and saying no, you have to become a part of our club first and then you will get your healing. And so it is this back and forth between these two and it was just absolutely fascinating to watch.

SID: But you know there was a line by Heidi Baker that is ringing in my ears, she kept saying to this pastor that was let’s say, legalistic, “You have to love them.” She was almost pleading, “You have to love them.”

DARREN: Yeah you have to love, it is all about love and the pastor even said, “I do love her but I want to train her. I need to train her first.”

SID: He just didn’t get it.

DARREN: No, didn’t get it.

SID: Tell me about something that you saw with your own eyes in Mozambique.

DARREN: Okay I will tell you, it was the one time, the only time where I was filming where I almost dropped the camera, because I wasn’t prepared for it, and that was the first, we had gotten to this village and again they had never heard the name of Jesus, and Heidi had called for, the Lord had told her there was a deaf woman here, she had to pray for the deaf woman first, not to pray for anybody else until you pray for that deaf woman. So she called literally for twenty minutes, and I am sitting her thinking twenty minutes, it’s like she is not here, you know let’s move on. But Heidi is just stanch; I am not going to pray for anybody until I find this woman. So finally they bring this woman. She wasn’t there, somebody had to go get her. I remember, I asked Heidi “What took her so long to get up there?” And she looked at me really strange and she said, “She’s deaf, she didn’t hear me calling her.” And I’m like oh yeah. So this woman gets up and she has a little baby like it was a brand new born baby, and she is totally deaf, the whole village testifies, yeah this lady is deaf. And so Heidi starts to pray for her, she has the children pray for her. And the woman hears, it is on film, you see, and I remember hold the camera and tears are just streaming down my face, I have two small children myself, and just tears, I am shaking and my other camera guy has you know little children himself, and he could barely hold the camera because you are realizing this woman is finally going to get to hear her baby cry for the first time. She is going to hear her baby, her young child speak her name for the first time, and it just, I could hardly stand. And the presence of God was just so thick there. And then once that happened the whole village, the whole village was converted.

SID: Last thought, how has this changed you Darren?

DARREN: It has changed my DNA to be quite honest with you; it has changed me literally from the inside out. That’s what I tell people when they watch the movie, when I go to show it different places I say look you have to understand, this movie is zero to sixty in about 2.3 seconds and I have had two years to process what I have seen. And in those two years it has completely changed me from the inside out so that now I know that God is, he is a God of encounter, he is a God of extreme power, and he is a God of extreme love.

SID: Speaking of extreme love, do you remember when Heidi said “You have to love them”? Well you can’t love them until you have experienced love, and I want you right now, don’t wait, to experience the love of God. I pray in Yeshua’s name, that you would have an encounter with the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Don’t settle for religion, don’t settle for tradition, there is more, you can experience the love of God and then you can do what Heidi said to others. You can’t give someone something you don’t have yourself. Then you can love them. It is time to experience God’s love yourself.