SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Darren Wilson. Darren is commissioned by God to film love. His big question is, how do you film love. So he goes to a witchcraft, occult festival in of all places Salem, Massachusetts, as he says, to pick a fight. Hidden cameras and be able to photograph this and the confrontation. And all day long nothing is going on. So he says, “What have I got to lose? I’m just gonna put my cameras in the open.” He’s with evangelists with Sons of Wonders, and he starts taping a witch in a red hood. What happened?

DARREN: Well we start to pray for this guy and everything, what was happening at that point is everybody that Jason was praying for when we’re in the middle of this festival, afterwards, they’re all coming to my crew and they’re saying, “That guy is better than any psychic we’ve ever gone to in our entire life.” Like he knew stuff about us nobody knows. And so he starts in on this witch, and I’m thinking, literally as I’m filming, I’m thinking, finally, here we go.

SID: Confirmation.

DARREN: This is what I’ve been waiting for. This guy is obviously into the occult. And so Jason starts to pray and every single thing out of his mouth is a word of love. Everything that he’s saying is like, “I know this about you and I know this about you. And I know that love this. I’m gonna bless this.” And everything that’s coming out of his mouth for like 15 minutes are words of love. And the guy is just staring at him. And I’m staring at the witch and I’m filming. And as I’m filming I always know when something is gonna be in the movie when the Lord speaks to me while I’m filming. And the Lord spoke to me so clearly and He said, “Do you see? I did not come here to pick a fight. I came here to love.” And when I understood that I understood it changed the whole film because that’s when I realized what I was trying to do, which is have a showdown, that’s not what the Lord wants at all, and I don’t think He wants it for anybody. He doesn’t want to fight with you. He just wants to love you.

SID: And the thing that was overpowering is when the witch took off his hood.

DARREN: Yeah. Jason said, “I want to pray for you now,” like an actual prayer kind of blessing. And he said, “Hold on. Let me uncover my head,” for them was a sign of respect. And that was one of the powerful things I think I’ve ever filmed.

SID: I’ll tell you something else. I mean, the whole film was powerful, but something else that was amazing to me is Darren went with a friend of mine, Jeff Jansen, out to where in Africa?

DARREN: In Tanzania.

SID: In Tanzania. And he sees a little tent behind the main tent. And what did you think that tent was for?

DARREN: We were filming a big crusade that Jeff was putting on, and I was there to kind of helping him out. And I saw this little white tent and I thought it was for the hearing impaired. That’s what I thought. And it was not for the hearing impaired.

SID: What was it for?

DARREN: I found out when the crusade started and they started carrying all these people who were manifesting the demonic, they started carrying them into this tent.

SID: That’s the deliverance.

DARREN: The deliverance tent. And so I remember standing outside of the tent with my camera thinking, am I seriously gonna do this? Do I really go into this place? And I dove right in.

SID: Previous to that you had a vision that you didn’t understand. Tell me about that.

DARREN: Three days before I left for Tanzania I was waking up one morning and I wasn’t quite asleep, wasn’t quite awake, that kind of been in between. And I saw this picture, vision, whatever you want to call it. I saw very clearly of this woman on the floor kind of screaming and shouting. And then I kind of like woke up. And I remember when I went into the tent I was filming some things, and at one point I looked down and I saw that woman that I had seen in my dream three days ago. And so I knew, I’m like, I dreamed about this woman. So literally I knew exactly where to put the camera, exactly how close of a zoom to get because I had seen it all before. And so actually, that’s one of the first things you see in the movie, is this vision that I had three days before. At first I thought, is this how God is gonna have me do the whole movie, He’s gonna show me what to film? But that was the only time that ever happened, but it was pretty cool.

SID: You know, there’s another thing that really, I saw this film and there’s another thing. I constantly think about this. He went to Thailand. I heard about Thailand. There’s actually cities that are built around the industry of sex.

DARREN: Yes. One that we went to in particular is called Pattaya City. And 40 years ago it was a little tiny fishing village, and Vietnam hit and it became the major stop off for all the American soldiers. So the whole city is built around prostitution.

SID: And there was a woman that represents the Messiah there that’s there to love all of these people caught up in the sex trade. And she was talking to a man, and the man said, “Well look at it this way. The girls are better off than working in the rice fields, working in the bars and being prostitutes.” And what did she say?

DARREN: Well she says, “Well do you want to know what they tell me?” Because she goes into these bars and tries to get these women out. And she says, “Do you want to know what they tell me? They tell me that it would be better if they died today and went to Hell than if they continue doing what they’re doing. But they have no way to escape.” Because it’s different for the man because the man is paying them to tell them how wonderful they are and how much they enjoy this. But in reality, they’d rather be in Hell. That’s how bad it is.

SID: What affect did going to this area, this city that’s built around the sex industry have on you?

DARREN: Well it’s hard to quantify like this spot affecting you more than your spot. It’s just kind of the whole process of making it was just, for one, it was eye opening. But two, I didn’t realize how dark the world really is. I didn’t realize how much it permeates and how powerful it is. But at the same time, I had no idea how much more powerful God’s love is and how it can literally obliterate any darkness.

SID: But you really took on quite an activity when he interviewed a woman that was bred from birth to be a bride of Satan. I know that’s hard to believe. But when I saw her speaking I knew she was speaking truth, I mean, some of the things that she did before she became a believer. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back after this word.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Rick Joyner. Did you know that God has every hair on your head numbered? That not two sparrows fall to the ground without Him being aware of it? And of how much more value are you? You have value, and you have worth. Of how much more value are you than the sparrow? My guest, Rick Joyner, is just a man. I’m just a man. But we know God. We have intimacy with God. And there’s a prophet by the name of Bob Jones that wandered into your life, and he described property that you were going to own. Explain that.

RICK: Well, he had a dream. And when I moved to North Carolina, I came with the word I was to go to the mountains of North Carolina. And I met Bob Jones through a friend of ours, Mike Bickle, and he immediately started telling me details about my life and things that had happened in my history that I didn’t even know. I had to check them out later, but they found out to be true.

SID: That’s amazing.

RICK: Things about my ancestors and stuff. But anyway, later he called me back and said he’d had a dream about me moving to the mountains of North Carolina, and he described the place in detail; exactly how far it was from where I was living at the time,
which he got within 2/10 of a mile. We told him he’s got to do better than that.

SID: Well, hey, according to the Bible you have to be 100%, but I’ll take within 2/10 of a mile, out of the whole world.

RICK: Yeah, that’s right. But he described it in detail. Tom Hess, who is a friend of yours, was involved in this, and was given some land nearby and he called and told me he was supposed to give it to us.

SID: And it’s a small world. I was on his board and I was involved in that decision. But go ahead.

RICK: So Tom calls me from Jerusalem and tells me about this land, and he described it,
and the deed had some of the details that Bob had told me in his dream. It was measured like they do in the mountains sometimes, “from white rocks to an old oak tree”, and Bob, in his dream, had seen the land was measured from white rocks to an oak tree, and details like that. He said there were buildings in the middle with red roofs and a mountain with a rock face on it and antennas on it, and all this. Of course that could’ve been a lot of places in North Carolina, but when we found it had every detail that Bob told us about in his dream, including where the streams were on the land, and things like that…

SID: But Rick, that is natural. I mean there was a king of Syria that was upset with Israel because as this king said “They know what I’m discussing in my bedroom.” It was a prophet, and today, according to the New Covenant, we’re all supposed to be able to prophecy. Now I am so excited about this new property that you have. Was that prophesied also?

RICK: It was. And you know, we prophesy in part, and we know in part. And Bob had all these details about he property we were going to, the rectangular building. He saw a lot of other little details that worked out later. But he saw some damage to it, water leaks and damage. We went looking all over Charlotte for old buildings, and almost bought some that we thought fit the description.

SID: Been there, done that. I understand.

RICK: And then we finally happen upon the property that was exactly as Bob had described, and now we’re in it.

SID: And this is the old PTL Headquarters that Jim Bakker had a vision to develop. And Rick, I don’t have to be a prophet to know that that mantle has fallen upon you, and that’s going to be even greater than Jim thought it was going to be. You’ve got that beautiful Grand Hotel, and it is now grand. I mean how did you end up getting that property, which Bob Jones saw in a vision, which you couldn’t even find when you went in your peanut brain trying to find it?

RICK: Well it’s interesting. Jim Bakker, when he got out of prison, he kind of spiritually bequeathed that property to us in a conference, publicly. And we were saying “We don’t want it. We don’t want to run a hotel. We’re in missions.”

SID: Besides that, he didn’t own it. He couldn’t give it to you.

RICK: Yeah, but he spiritually said “We think you’re supposed to have it.” So anyway, there were some reasons, some things I had to be a part of, some business things and all, where if I’d known that property was coming to me I could not have been a part of those. It would’ve been a conflict. We had no idea. So I think, in a way, the Lord hid it from us, where it was, and then at the right time, it came into our hands for, well, we bought $60 million, well Jim paid $60 million to build it in the 1980’s.

SID: Right, so that would be worth even more now with the value of real estate.

RICK: I’d think so. We bought it for $1.6 million.

SID: How come so cheap?

RICK: Well, they didn’t think the buildings could be restored.

SID: Did you have a good Jewish attorney by the name of Ruach Ha Kodesh, the Holy Spirit?

RICK: I’ve had Jews tell me I’ve made the Jew jealous.

SID: Well that’s what you’re supposed to do. You’re just being normal. Speaking of normal, very quickly, tell me about the glory cloud that came in at a meeting you were at where you were speaking, and everyone saw it.

RICK: Well this was back when we were first starting, had our first Worship and Warfare Conference, called The Heart Of David. And we had spent about eight hours worshipping the Lord that day. You know, taking some breaks in between. It was at an intensity that we used to hope we could get to and maintain for 15 minutes. It was the most intense worship we’d ever experienced, and it had gone on and on. The last session had gone into hours, and it kept building. It was the greatest worship I’ve still ever been a part of. And at the end, Leonard Jones was playing the last song, and all of a sudden, it felt like a nuclear fire in the building. I felt burning inside. You know how nuclear’s supposed to burn from the inside? I felt like my insides were on fire, and I watched two girls who were on the stage start grabbing like they were on fire. And then… Now I’m feeling heat, fire, and I watched one of these girls run and dive through the drum set,
scared, terrified. And I turn around and looked and there’s this cloud, pillar of cloud right in the middle of the stage. And my first thought is “We’ve got a fire.” Because heat, fire, all this, you know. And the whole audience that had been worshipping at the top of their voice went instantly silent, started wailing, crying. I’m looking at everything going on and I think we’ve got a fire, and then I just said “The presence of the Lord is so intense, let the place burn.” That was my thinking.

SID: Did everyone see that cloud?

RICK: Yeah, everyone that was in there saw it, except for a few.

SID: Did you hear that? Everyone outside of a few saw this glory cloud. We’re coming into the days like you read about in the scriptures, where the glory is going to show up and everyone’s going to be healed. I feel such a presence of God in my face right here that I happen to believe that God’s presence is invading wherever you are right now. And in His presence, all things are possible. What do you need right now? The first thing you need is to get right with God, repent of your sins, and believe Jesus is your Messiah and Lord. Get ready. Get ready!

SID: Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world, where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, John McTernan, has found the most amazing statistics. Since 1991, how many times have you seen that, when the United States goes against Israel, there have been, what the world calls, natural catastrophes?

JOHN: Sid, at a minimum, 50, but probably closer to 70.

SID: Now, many people feel that when there are things like earthquakes and hurricanes and the stock market goes down, and that’s the type of things we’re talking about, many people think that that’s the natural decay of planet Earth in every arena. How would you respond to that?

JOHN: Well Sid, obviously there is truth to that, the natural decay. But it’s the timing of it, Sid, and the magnitude of the hurricanes, for example. Like hurricane Andrew, hurricane Katrina, and other hurricanes, falling precisely on these events. Precisely, Sid.

SID: Why is it though? What I’m pondering, and what I’d like John to explain is, why are there these warning judgments from God within 24 hours of the event, when the United States tries to divide up the land of Israel. Why is that, John?

JOHN: Well Sid, in the Bible, God has made promises. Starting with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and their descendents, which would be the Jewish people today, about the land. And there are blessings and curses about how people react to Jewish people on the land. So, part of the cursing is, if you try and divide the land, which unfortunately the United States is really the leading nation in the world pressuring Israel to do this, since 1991.

SID: Give me some examples of what the United States did, and what happened. Just a couple.

JOHN: Well Sid, we’ll start at the very beginning, the Madrid Peace process, which is really a codeword for the dividing of Israel. The date was October 30, 1991. We’ll say President Bush Sr., and not the current President, but his father, President Bush Sr. He initiated this after the Gulf War, thinking that, with the power of the United States, you could have this comprehensive peace in the Middle East, and part of it would be dividing the land, including Jerusalem. And when the President was delivering this speech in Madrid, Spain, initiating the Madrid Peace process, on that very day, Sid – in fact, I’d almost go so far as to say the very hour – the perfect storm hit. And if you can think back to 1991, the perfect storm…

SID: There was a movie.

JOHN: A movie, a best-selling book. The perfect storm had generated… it was the most powerful storm ever recorded in history, in the north Atlantic. It generated 30 foot waves that came against the President’s home in Kennebunkport, Maine. He has a home on the coast.

SID: It really caused destruction?

JOHN: Yeah, 30 foot waves. Eyewitnesses said, Sid, that the waves just engulfed the home; they came over it. So as the President of the United States was in this process of touching the land of Israel, his own home was being devastated.

SID: Give me another example.

JOHN: Well, the next year the Madrid Peace process was transferred from Madrid, Spain, to Washington D.C. The very first day that they met was August 23, 1992, on American soil. They previously had been in Madrid. And you can see the headlines in the newspapers, I have all the headlines, where hurricane Andrew… At that time, it was the greatest natural disaster ever to hit the United States. Since then, hurricane Katrina has surpassed it. But hurricane Andrew hit 4 hours before they met on American soil. So you’ll see the newspapers with the headline “Hurricane Andrew”, and all the damage,
and right there with it is the Madrid Peace Process. So you can’t miss it, Sid.

SID: Which is, again, the Madrid Peace Process is “land for peace.” But you mentioned hurricane Katrina. Is there any correlation with that?

JOHN: I’m going to stretch your mind a little, but to go back to hurricane Katrina and the Jewish people being evacuated from Gaza.

SID: The settlements?

JOHN: The settlements. And of course Gaza is part of the Covenant land. It’s that land that was given to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and their descendents. In fact, Sid, the prophet Obadiah, which your viewers may have a hard time finding, because it’s the smallest book in the Bible… When I preach on Obadiah, I give people extra time to find it. But right there in Obadiah, it talks about “the Day of the Lord”, which of course is the second coming of the Lord Jesus…

SID: Which we’re obviously approaching.

JOHN: Without a doubt. And it says specifically that the plain of the Philistines are going to belong to… the Jewish people are going to be in control of the plain of the Philistines, which in modern terminology is Gaza. So the prophetic word says that this land is going to be inhabited, controlled, by the Jewish people. Yet, through pressure of the United States, with George Bush Jr., and with Condoleezza Rice, the Secretary of State, we’ve pressured the Jewish government, the Israeli government, to unilaterally abandon the land. And plus, the President also promised American money to help with the resettlement of the Jewish people that are being taken off the land. So that was taking place exactly at the time that hurricane Katrina hits the United States. So we’re forcing Jewish people off the land in Israel, and Americans are being forced off the land in the United States.

SID: Now listen, I would not call this a warning judgment, I would call this a judgment.

JOHN: Yes Sid, yes. In my book, when I first started, in the mid-1990’s, I called it warning judgments, or judgments unto repentance.

SID: But we’ve passed that line right now.

JOHN: Yes we have, Sid.

SID: This is what John has uncovered now. It’s the best-kept secret in American history. There is a key to American prosperity that is not mentioned in any of the history books. We’ll reveal that, and you are going to be absolutely amazed when you hear the best kept secret. It won’t be secret anymore. Be right back after this word.

We’ll be right back to It’s Supernatural.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Joel Richardson and the wealth of information. I see why God has hand-picked this man to give us a revelation of End Times. But there’s going to be a false unity that will occur in the last days we read about. And you told me the most amazing statement about a Hasidic rabbi in Israel. Tell me about that.

JOEL: Well I recently have been in dialogue, not only with some of the representative rabbis from the Sanhedrin, which is a body of 70 Hasidic rabbis in Israel, but also a very influential Turkish Islamic Muslim leader, named Adnan Oktar. I recently had the chance to visit with him in Istanbul, and amazingly, you have this Muslim that is actually calling for the Jewish temple to be rebuilt. He calls it “Solomon’s Mosque” or “Solomon’s Palace.” Shortly after I visited with Adnan in Istanbul, some of the representatives from the Sanhedrin met with him, and after meeting with him one of the things that they came out in a joint statement was a call for the Temple Mount to become a house of prayer for all nations. And, you know, when you listen to their dialogue, the rabbis regularly refer to God as Allah, and they speak about worshiping the same God all under one Abrahamic umbrella. So there’s an emerging unity. You know, they have their clearly defined parameters, but they see each other as brothers who all worship the same God.

SID: And obviously, by the description of Allah, that is not the description of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. But I’m talking about that Hasidic rabbi. What did he say to you?

JOEL: Well not to me specifically, but Menachem Froman, very influential rabbi in Israel, the founder of the Tekoa settlement, he’s written a letter to the government of Turkey, and he’s asked for a meeting between the religious leaders of Israel and the government leaders, political leaders of Turkey to come together to form and forge a Middle Eastern peace treaty that they could then submit to the surrounding nations. And what he has said is that Turkey is the only hope for Middle Eastern peace, that Turkey is the premier bridge nation, the only nation that can mediate between the Islamic world and the State of Israel.

SID: And that’s probably why you talk about keep your eyes on Turkey.

JOEL: For over 500 years it ruled the Middle East, right up until 1924. Now in 1924, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the secular reformer of Turkey, abolished the Office of Khalif, which is essentially the pope of the Islamic world. But he’s actually more than that. And so the Khilafat, the government of the Khalif was abolished, and since that time, the Islamic empire has essentially been dormant. The Bible predicts this. It calls this “the fatal head wound that the beast would suffer”, the beast being the empire. And now that empire is reviving, and everything looks like Turkey will emerge once again as the leader of the Middle East.

SID: You know, when you put End Time prophecy together with the Islamic world, as opposed to the European world. It just makes so much more sense.
JOEL: Absolutely. And you know, sometimes it’s as if they’re reading right from the script of the Bible. And Adnan Oktar, this Muslim leader that I met with, after I had been teaching for some time that the Bible predicted that Turkey would emerge as a regional leader, suddenly he comes out and he’s calling for what he calls a Turkish-lead Islamic union. And there is these massive movements throughout the Middle East calling for a neo-ottoman empire in the Middle East. We’ve been concerned that Al Qaeda would revive a Khilafat, but Turkey may very accomplish what Al Qaeda could not do.

SID: And you have another interesting revelation from the prophet Micah about the Assyrian.

JOEL: This is one of the most basic prophecies about the Messiah. In the Bible, in Micah 5, you have the prophecy of the Bethlehem-born Messiah. We all know this one. But if you read a little further it says that one of the primary things that this messiah does, it says, “When the Assyrian,” that’s the Antichrist, “When the Assyrian invades our land and tramples into our borders that the Bethlehem-born Messiah would deliver us from the Assyrian.” Now you have to ask yourself, if you’re a believer who takes the Bible at a face value approach, you take it for what it says, if the Antichrist is called “the Assyrian” then is it more reasonable to conclude that the Antichrist will come from the former region of the Assyrian empire, or is it more reasonable to conclude that the Antichrist will be Nicolae Carpathia from Romania, or that he’ll be from Germany, or London?

SID: Now of course, we’re hearing all of this stuff, which is kind of heavy. But there is so much exciting things going on by the supernatural power of the living God. Jewish people and Muslims are having supernatural experiences with the Messiah of Israel. Tell me about some Muslims.

JOEL: Amen. First let me say this. Yeshua, a Jewish man, will soon come back and he will take over the earth. This is the yearning of mankind. Righteousness will cover the earth. Before he does this, this is all we’re talking about. We’re talking about the End Times, we’re not talking about the end of the world. We’re talking about the beginning of the good stuff. We’re talking about the day when all the things that we groan about, the child slavery, the sex slave trade, the unrighteousness of the earth, the unrighteous leadership will be eliminated. Before he does that, the Lord right now is reaching out and He’s drawing Muslims to Himself all over the Islamic world. Reports are coming in from missionaries, and one of the primary ways that Muslims are coming to become followers of Yeshua is through supernatural dreams and revelations. Yeshua himself is personally evangelizing Muslims. He hears their cry and he’s calling them to himself.

SID: Briefly tell me one Muslim story.

JOEL: You know, I just heard one recently. I believe it was Joel Rosenberg, not to be confused with Joel Richardson, was telling a story of a woman who was praying. She read the scripture that says, “Behold, I stand on the door and knock. If you open the door I will come in a sup.” She was praying about that scripture. She heard a knock on the door. She opened the door and there was a man in a white robe with holes in his hands, and she said, “Come on in.” And Jesus himself came in, sat down, ate with her and taught her the truth about himself and the scriptures, and she became a follower of Jesus.
SID: But based on your research, this is not just an exception. This is happening to many Muslims.

JOEL: Reports are coming in, again, from across the Islamic world. Missionaries are reporting this. I have a friend in Berlin right now who just, about two weeks ago, he was able to lead nine Turkish Muslims to the Lord in one meeting. He prayed for them. They had various sicknesses. They were healed. Jesus healed them. They could not deny the power that he had in Yeshua, for Yeshua. They came to faith. He preached the crucified Christ of the Bible, not the false Jesus of the Koran.

SID: And the amazing thing is when these Muslims come to know God they have such a love for the Jew and Israel. This is where Romans 11:11 says that, “The gentile will provoke the Jew to jealousy.” What greater gentile than an Arab coming to faith.

JOEL: Exactly. What a testimony when these Muslims who were raised on anti-Semitism, the anti-Semitism that is in their holy book, the Koran, and they have this hatred for the Jews. Suddenly, they fall in love with Yeshua. They read the scriptures and they realize the Jews are God’s people, that Isaac is my brother, and they come to love Israel. They come to love Jews. This I believe is one of the primary ways that the Lord is going to use the gentile world to provoke His people, the Jewish people, to jealousy, that they will turn to Him.

SID: That kind of a transformation could only come through knowing the Messiah of Israel.
Do you need that kind of transformation? I believe you do. It’s time to tell God you’re sorry for mistakes you’ve made in your life and you believe the King of the Jews, Jesus the Messiah, washes away your sins. Ask him to be your Lord and ask him to live inside of you right now.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Joel Richardson. We just found out in the last segment that the one that the Muslims refer to as their messiah has a perfect description of what Christians refer to as the Antichrist. It’s amazing how similar it is. Joel, in Matthew 24, it says, the Messiah says, “The love of,” and in the Greek it says, “The love of most will grow cold in the last days.” That’s a pretty somber statement. “The love of most will grow cold in the last days.” Why do you believe that will happen?

JOEL: This is one of the most, in my opinion, one of the most terrifying warnings in all of scripture, because not only does it say that “the love of most will grow cold,” it also says that many will betray the faith and betray each other. And of course, the End Times will be a catastrophic, cataclysmic time. But to put this in context, in the 1970s, there was a movement that swept through the United States called the Jesus Movement, and that’s affected this country. Few people realize how much that affected. All these hippies were coming to following Yeshua and throughout the country. This was a revival, a biblical revival. One of the primary underlying factors of this religious revival was the fact that Israel had become a nation and fulfilled the prophecies of the Bible. People, when they look and they see that the prophecies of this book, unlike, you know, Nostradamus or some other vague prophecy, when they see that this book can predict things with accuracy precision thousands of years in advance, they come to recognize this book is true. Well likewise, if the majority today of the Church is believing that the Antichrist is going to come out of Europe and if they have all of these ideas about the End Times that are perhaps flawed, then likewise, even as the fulfillment of biblical prophecies affected people in a positive way during the ‘70s, I believe that if the opposite takes place, the potential that this has to shipwreck people’s faith, to lead them into deep levels of disillusionment and confusion, and lose faith in this book, is tremendous. And so we need to, when we look at this warning in Matthew 24, we need to take an incredibly humble approach to the prophetic scriptures and keep our eyes open.

SID: Okay. Islam talks about their messiah is the perfect description of the Christian Antichrist. What is Islam’s description of Jesus?

JOEL: This is essential. This is an essential point. A lot of Christians when they find out that Muslims also believe that Jesus will return at the end of the Age, they get all excited and say, well we have so much in common. What Christians don’t realize is that what Islam teaches is that when Jesus returns he will essentially come back, not as the Jesus of the Bible, but as an Islamic prophet, and he will come back to tell the Christians of the world and those that follow him that you’ve had it wrong all along, that your Bible is corrupted, that he never claimed to be the Son of God, that he never died on the cross, the whole Christian religion is false, that Islam is the true religion. He will command Christians to become Muslims otherwise they will have no other choice but to suffer the death penalty. Beyond that, Muslims teach that Jesus will come back as a Muslim prophet to kill the false Jewish Antichrist and to slaughter Jews in the Land of Israel. So in a nutshell, Muslims believe Jesus returns to abolish Christianity and to kill Jews.
SID: How about Daniel 2:43? How does that fit in?

JOEL: Daniel 2, this is the prophecy about this metallic statue, one of the most essential, prophetic passages in all of the scriptures. A lot of people believe that this is the foundation for this whole idea that the Antichrist will come out of the Roman Empire.

SID: Right.

JOEL: It’s speaking of these legs of iron. It’s all very complicated. But when we look at the biblical description, the criteria that the Bible lays out for us to identify this fourth empire, it says that it will crush Babylon, think Iraq, Persia, think Iran, and Greece, think Turkey and Greece. The problem is the Roman Empire did not crush those empires. It conquered a little bit of some of them. But in terms of Persia and Iraq, largely most of these regions were left untouched. The Roman Empire does not meet the biblical criteria. The Islamic empire does. And then when we look at Daniel 2:43, specifically of this fourth empire, it says, “The kingdom will be mixed.” And in the Aramaic, that word is “Arab”. “The kingdom will be “Arav, Meh’arav.” The same word for “Arab” is the word that we translate as “mixed”. In ancient times, the Arabs were known as the “mixed peoples”.

SID: So why does everyone think the Antichrist is going to come out of Europe?

JOEL: Well again, it’s because of a misplaced interpretation of two key passages. And there’s a huge wealth of passages throughout the Bible, consistently that speak of the surrounding nations. In the Hebrew it’s the “goy sabhib”, the “goyim sabhib”, the nations that surround Israel that come against her in the last days. And you have dozens of passages that say this. But then based on two passages, Daniel 2 as well as Daniel 9, some point to Revelation 17, they form the foundation for their eschatology and believe the Antichrist will come from the Roman Empire, and they ignore all of these other passages which are clear, which are consistent and easy to understand.

SID: Very briefly, what is the Islamic view of the one they call the Antichrist?

JOEL: Muslims also believe that an Antichrist will come at the end of the Age. They call him “adagela al massae”, the “imposter Messiah”. He comes back as the Jewish Messiah who claims to be Jesus Christ, who claims to be God, the Son of God, who does miracles, and he’s followed by Jews. So when you look at the Book of Revelation when it says that, “The rider on the horse Jesus has come back, and the kings of the earth gathered together to make war against him,” you think, what has gotten into them? The Muslims have been set up by their own religion to believe that when Jesus returns that he will be the Antichrist.

SID: Well, you know, I can see why 99 percent of the people that hear Joel teach on this area say for the first time, I understand the End Times. Don’t go away. You’re going to find out some amazing statements of Orthodox rabbis about the End Times. Be right back after this.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, Joel Richardson, has such amazing insight into the End Times. The prophet Daniel, in the 12th chapter, talks about the End Times. Explain what he says.

JOEL: In the conclusion of this incredibly prophetically book, the prophet Daniel made clear, in fact, it was revealed to him by an angel, that all of the things revealed to Daniel, the primary message of this entire book, would literally be sealed up until the End Times. And he makes this very clear that when he’s speaking about End Times, he’s saying the time when the dead, those that sleep in the dust of the earth, are resurrected. This is talking about the end of the Age, that at that time, the understanding of this book would be opened up to the Church.

SID: And I can see how you’ve been hand-picked, literally by God, to give revelation of the End Times. In fact, you were sitting among 7,000 people. Get this, he’s sitting around among 7,000 people and the man that is speaking has a word of knowledge, but he starts out by even saying Joel’s name. What did he say?

JOEL: Let me just back up a teeny bit and make mention of something else. Just before my wife and I met, there was a prophetess that prayed over my wife, and one of the things she said was she said, “Your husband, you’ll marry someone that will have significant insight into the End Times and he’ll release new prophetic understanding concerning the End Times into the Church, and to the world.” And so my wife and I are sitting in this meeting, 7,000 people, large civic center type of situation, in the very back. And before he spoke, he said, “I want to share prophetic word, in order to show that what I’m about to speak on is from the Lord.” He called us out by name and then he spoke things to us that no man could know, things that we had been praying about, things that only we knew that only the Lord, only God could reveal to a man, and that gets your attention. And then one of the things that he said was he said that the Lord was going to bring me into a season of Divine revelation, which I knew intuitively was tied into this word about understanding the End Times. And of course, I had no interest in the End Times. I’m an incredibly unlikely candidate. My heart has always been to I love sharing my Christian faith with Muslims and I love reaching out to the poor, and I thought if I ever had a ministry, that that’s what it would be geared toward. But somehow the Lord has managed to bring together this love for Muslims, as well as this call to speak about the End Times and He’s joined those two together.

SID: But what if everything we’ve been taught about in series like the “Left Beyond” or “Late Great Planet Earth”, the basic premises are wrong? What if? I believe God has raised up Joel. People that understand his teaching, say for the first time, the whole End Times scenario makes total sense to me. Joel, in preparation for this, you spent time in the Middle East. You have studied the scriptures from an eastern, a Middle Eastern mindset. What difference does this make when you study the scriptures from that mindset versus the West?

JOEL: One of the things that I try to emphasize, whenever I’m teaching on these issues, particularly when I’m addressing Americans, is I try to address this issue of American centricity, this idea that we have as Americans, whether we articulate or verbalize it or not, we believe the world revolves around us, and we even, again, we wouldn’t quite come out and say it, we believe that the Bible is written primarily for Americans. What I’m trying to do is bring people back to the context of this book so they can understand that this book is first and foremost, is and always has been Jerusalem, Israel and a Middle Eastern centric book, and that includes the subject of biblical prophecy, that the epicenter of all biblical prophecy is the Middle East. So when we try to, as westerns, try to read our world view into the prophetic scriptures, the prophecies of the Bible, we often make mistakes. We read things into this context that don’t belong. So if you’re sitting in Jerusalem today, the primary spirit that is coming against the Jewish people, coming against the people of God, is the spirit of Islam. Now here in the West we have other spirits that we’re contending with, but we need to be careful not to read our world into the pages of this book.

SID: Now the thing that’s so amazing to me is as you began studying and reading about what the Bible calls the Antichrist, and then in the Middle East and talking with Muslims, and beginning to understand the one they consider to be their messiah, they seem to be the same person.

JOEL: Exactly, exactly. What shocks a lot of people is that when we look at the basic template, the basic description of who the Antichrist is in the Bible, it is an exact description of the Islamic savior, the Islamic messiah figure. So in the Bible, the Antichrist is a charismatic leader, a military, political, religious leader that rises up at the end of the age. He initially comes with a spirit of peace, a spirit of tolerance and unity for all faiths, and he initiates a peace treaty with the Nation of Israel and the surrounding Islamic nations, and then three and half years into this peace treaty, he violates that. He invades the Land of Israel with the surrounding nations, the Islamic nations that are under his authority, and he literally comes against the Jewish people to kill them, to conquer them. He sets up his seat of authority in Jerusalem on the Temple Mount. And the Bible says that the time that he has to do this is seven years. In Islam, their messiah figure is said to come at the end of the Age. They call him the “Mehedi”. In English we can just say “the Madhi”. He comes at the end of the Age to revive the Islamic empire that’s been dormant for the past 80-plus years. He then invades the Land of Israel to retake Israel for the Islamic world, and then he establishes the seat of his authority of world Islamic authority from the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. And according to sacred Islamic tradition, it says that the time period that he has to do this will be seven years.

SID: I mean, I think that is so phenomenal, because I’ve always been told it’s going to be someone that will emerge from Europe, from the European Union, the ten nations coming together. But this is going to get interesting. Don’t go away. It’s going to be supernatural. Be right back after this word.