SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest Katie Souza was a career criminal. It’s hard to believe, Katie, you were in movies and television, and modeling, and got in with a fast crowd, got into drugs. But what I don’t picture is these high speed chases with guns. I mean, that’s Bonnie and Clyde stuff.

 

KATIE: Definitely.

 

SID: How does a nice girl like you get into this?

 

KATIE: You know, I grew up around guns my whole life. I had been a tomboy. So when I got into drugs and it totally turned my already volatile personality into somewhat of a terrorist personality, so it was natural for me to go that direction to start doing collections on other drug dealers and to start forcing people to pay their drug debts.

 

SID: Just out of curiosity, you’re forcing people to pay their drug debts. Aren’t you concerned that they might have a gun and they’re crazy from drugs anyway, and you’re life is going to be over?

 

KATIE: You know, right at the moment I never actually thought about that. I just went in head first to do it. But it did actually go from very dangerous entanglements later on. Because I would collect on bigger clients like biker clubs they would start actually putting contracts on my life and try to take my life many times.

 

SID: Then, maybe I don’t know, did you get greedy? What was it? You started your own meth lab.

 

KATIE: Well I got tired of buying and selling drugs. That’s a real hassle. And so I said, well you know, if I’m gonna do this I’m gonna do it right. I’m gonna be the top dog. I’m gonna start manufacturing my own speed so that I can do good dope and I can sell dope, and be treated somewhat like a rock star, because if you’re a meth dope that’s the kind of treatment that you get.

 

SID: So did reality really set in, in 1999, when they finally got you, they finally were gonna send you away for, what, 11 and a half years?

 

KATIE: Twelve and a half, yeah. They did. They caught me. They apprehended me, federal marshals did. And my first year in lockdown I spent in and out of the hole because I was fighting everybody, and I ended up actually attacking an officer. And so I was completely out off control like I was on the streets. And then one day God walked into that cell and He arrested me

Himself.

 

SID: Wait a second. God walked into that cell. What really happened, between you and me?

 

KATIE: Okay. So I had found out that my codefendant was going to testify against me, and I was looking to up to 20 years in prison.

 

SID: Ouch.

 

KATIE: Right.

 

SID: So that would sober you, I would think.

 

KATIE: Yeah. And it made me really mad at the time, as I wasn’t walking with God yet. And so I went out to the yard, and me, her and a girlfriend actually threw down and had a fight over it. So we got taken to lockdown. And while I’m in lockdown, this was like my umpteenth time in the hole, I’m in a cell that’s covered with urine and feces, and vomit, and it’s freezing cold, and I just all of a sudden it hit me. Wow. I am tired. I have been doing this for ten years on the streets. Now I’m doing it in here. And now I’m looking at all this time in prison, and I just felt like I was at the end of my rope. And at that point I had a diabetic seizure. And when I woke up I was done. I was completely done. And I said, do you know what, I just give up. I surrender. And that was what God was waiting for, Sid.

 

SID: And then you actually had these Bible studies, and you started, what did you call it, a God Pod in prison?

 

KATIE: Yes. In my unit we got so involved in God. We started doing the Bible studies and worship, and praying for people, and baptizing people in the shower.

 

SID: But you started hearing God’s voice, and God said to you, you get an early release. How specific was it?

 

KATIE: Well I was meditating on God on night and He came and said, “You know what? I’m gonna do a jail break. I’m gonna get you out.” And then He even gave me the exact date He was gonna do it. So I run out to the whole facility the next day and I tell everybody what God told me, and at the end of the day I got 12 women laughing at me.

 

SID: I can imagine.

 

KATIE: Right. And then my counselor gets wind of it, and she’s like, “So you think you’re leaving on that certain date?” I’m like, “I don’t think so. I know so. God told me.” She picks up the phone, Sid, looks me in the eye, picks up the phone and calls the guards to come and escort me to the facility psychiatrist. Then I get to the facility psychiatrist and she’s told that I’m hearing the voice of God, so she wants to put me in suicide watch. But six months later I won a case that I had in federal court, and the exact date the Lord gave me came to pass.

 

SID: What impact did it have on the prisoners that knew that you were so crazy they sent you to the psychiatrist because you knew the exact date and told everyone you were gonna get out so early?

 

KATIE: It was a massive impact from everybody, and it was great because even the unbelievers were like, wow, now we have something to believe in. Now we can see that God is real. And even my counselor, I can remember her calling me, paging me after she found out what happened. She paged me into her office and she said, “My fish are dying. Would you please pray for my fish?”

 

SID: Your faith must have been zoom, skyrocketed.

 

KATIE: Absolutely. It was.

 

SID: But you know what’s so amazing to me is as fanatic, and that’s the word, I mean, if “fanatic” is a good term for football, why not for God, you know? As fanatic as you were for crime, you’re that fanatic for the Lord.

 

KATIE: Yes.

 

SID: And why is He showing you principles that are keys, if you will, that speed prayers up supernaturally? Why you?

 

KATIE: Why me? ‘Cause we’re doing a prison ministry now. We have an international prison ministry. And those people need everything God has. They need healing. They need deliverance. They need acceleration. They need to be discipled quickly. Everything needs to move in a faster level because God’s Kingdom is coming in such an accelerated manner and we’ve got to keep up.

 

SID: You go, she goes and she speaks in prisons now, and everything happens almost instantly. It’s a whole acceleration. But it’s a tool that Katie has been downloaded, that will speed up your prayers in an amazing fashion. Give you supernatural information in an amazing fashion. Don’t go away. Be right back after this word.

SID:  Hello, Sid Roth, your investigative reporter here with Isaiah and Carol Reed.   Isaiah and Carol in a very improbable, impossible, unrealistic miracle, get clean, drug free.  Were you delivered instantly of drugs also? 

ISAIAH:  Yes sir.  Absolutely! 

SID:  That’s going – you know if you’re stuck, that’s the best way – both of you were.  And you weren’t going to marry him ‘cause you didn’t even really trust that he really was a new person.   

CAROL:  No.   

SID:  He was.  But God came to you, told you to marry him, told you that the two of you would walk together serving Him and you did marry him. And I have to ask you, I know that you have a heart for prostitutes, you can understand them.

CAROL:  You know there is such a desire when you have been brought from such a bad place you know, I thank God because He gave me a desire from where He took me out of, and I have had the opportunity to travel throughout the world and out of the country to South Africa and just to sit with young women who are prostitutes and have them look in my eyes and know that I have come from where they came from, it’s just so important. 

SID:  Pick one and describe that. 

CAROL:  I just came back from South Africa and there was a young girl by the name of Hanna Lou that I met and she was living in a box on a porch and the Lord just really tore my heart to go and minister to her and she wouldn’t go with anybody but me. And I said do you trust me? And she said I trust you. And I began to minister to her and she just laid on my chest and she just cried and cried. And it just touched my heart and she looked at me and I was crying and she said “Why are you crying?”  And I said I’m crying for you. And it just made her cry.  She said she had never had anybody cry for her. You know and I really have the heart that we need to be people that believe in people until they have the ability to believe in themselves. The Lord allowed me to go to Durbin, South Africa where I went to an area which is called The Point, it’s a red light district, and literally we had nine girls, nine prostitutes, leave the streets with me and stand on the pulpit with me before thousands of people claiming Jesus as their Savior.   I mean what a greater gift is to tell people about the love of God, that their sin is not too great that God can’t forgive them. How awesome that is. And the realness is that I know it to be true because He brought me from a place where I thought I was completely unforgivable.   But yet He still loved me. How great God is. 

SID:  Isaiah, you were in that place also yourself but now you literally go into mosques, you – twenty-five hundred Muslims came to the Lord.  Is that true? 

ISAIAH:  Yes.  What we have to understand is that sin doesn’t believe in whether you are Muslim, Jewish, or Christian. Your children still can be drug addicted; your children still can be murdered, so when the Jewish community, I mean the Islamic community heard that I was raised from the dead by my mother’s prayer, you have Islamic mothers that pray for their children. And so they asked me to come and share that about how she was tenacious and how I got raised from the dead. They really didn’t want to hear evangelical belief or promote the gospel or Judaism; they just wanted to know the love of a mother that could rescue a child. And as I was sharing I knew the mandate was to share about how my mother held on to my life and believed for me, but I also knew that God was going to do something special, I didn’t know what it was, so I submitted to the criteria, the format of the speaking engagement, and as I began to share how God brought me out of drug addiction and how He raised me from the dead, even being a sinner, the Spirit of God began to touch these Islamic young people, and not only before they even asked me to call down for prayer, it started beginning, slain in the Spirit. Now this was on their own territory – 

SID:  Now were you laying hands on them and – 

ISAIAH:  No.    

SID:  And they were falling over?  They just fell over by the spirit of God? 

ISAIAH:  No.  That was not the format; the format was for me to present being raised from the dead.  That’s what they wanted to hear about.  And the format was how my mother basically stood in the gap for me. 

SID:  Now this was in a mosque? 

ISAIAH:  In a mosque.    

SID:  And you’re saying the Spirit of God came to them and they were just falling to the floor? 

ISAIAH:  The Spirit of God came on them, and they didn’t have catchers or anything. They were just falling out and so the leadership after that was just kind of confused and so they told me they were having a heat stroke. And so they led us out and as we were going to our vehicles in the parking lot the people began to chase – run after us and some of the pastors took out their camcorders because we really didn’t know – was it a riot or what, and started filming it. And the young people wanted prayer, they wanted to be saved. And so we began to lead all those young people to receive Jesus in their heart and twenty-five hundred of them gave their hearts to Jesus that day.  

SID:  Now, how many children do the two of you have? 

CAROL:  We have five wonderful children. 

SID:  Tell me about your little daughter. 

CAROL:  Siania.  Siania is my miracle baby.  I had been believing for a little girl for so long and then at forty years of age I got pregnant with my last child. And I didn’t want a boy, I wanted a girl, and on the day that she was born they came to me that she was severe Downs Syndrome, then the next day the came and they told me that Siania was deaf and it devastated me. It devastated me to the point that I told God I wasn’t going to minister anymore. And the Lord told me, He said Carol, what you do for me is based on what I do for you? Haven’t I done enough?  He said you know what; you are looking at a symptom and a symptom I can heal. He said if you go after souls like I told you to you will look back and those things that were meant to be a problem will disappear. And when I got mad at the devil and made a determination in my heart that I was going to go after souls, didn’t care about my own circumstances, nine months later the doctor came to me with a doctors report of all the complications Siania was supposed to have, and then she showed me the new doctors report, and she said this is not even the same baby. And my daughter is a living miracle.  She has no signs of Downs Syndrome, she can hear in both of her ears, she’s a prayed for – 

SID:  Was she deaf before? 

CAROL:  They diagnosed her as deaf in both ears.    

SID:  And so God opened her ears? 

CAROL:  Absolutely healed; absolutely healed.  What we do as people is we focus on our problems so much that we let our problems overwhelm us and we have to understand your problems is only a place of promotion, God wants to develop you into a person, but He needs to instill integrity in you. And if a problem can get you down it can keep you from your purpose and your goal and we have to stop looking at our problems. And so God said, don’t focus on your problem.  Focus on Me. Why did My Son Jesus come into the world?  To save sinners, and if you would go after souls everything that seems to be a problem when you look back over your shoulder, it will all be healed. And when I realized that, I said, you know what?  I know how to get even with the devil; I’m going to win souls.  That’s what I’m going to do. 

SID:  Let me tell you something, it is not a matter of religion. 

CAROL:  That’s right. 

SID:  It is a matter of you were created, hear me, you that have called out there must be something more, you were created for intimacy with God, to walk with Him, and talk with Him, and be so close to Him. There was a Jewish man by the name of Enoch, and it says he walked with God and then he was no more because God had taken him.  I mean if you got to die, that’s not a bad way to die.   but if you can encounter and experience and have your own intimacy with God – please hear what I’m saying – I am not talking about the things that have turned you off – I’m talking about the only one that can turn you on.   I’m talking about the one that came and died and rose from the dead. Isaiah died and he literally rose from the dead, but he can’t change your life. This one can change your life, this one can give you purpose, this one can give you a song in your mouth, this one can give you joy no matter what’s going on in this crazy world, and it is crazy because there’s a devil running loose. But the only one that can give you – shalom – that’s what we Jewish people call it, completeness. God wants you complete.  Get to know Jesus. You don’t need theology. All you need is a heart that wants to know truth. This is your moment, don’t miss it. DO – NOT – MISS IT!  

SID:  Hello, Sid Roth your investigative report here with Carol Reed, and a man that would become her husband, Isaiah.  Last week we found out Isaiah, you were one of the major pimps in Hawaii, making upward of twenty millions dollars a year. You had a stable of women of which Carol was one, and Carol, one of the women, one of the other prostitutes was so jealous, she stabbed you in the eye? 

CAROL:  Yes, seven days after I had my oldest son, Decat, I went into a bar and we got in an altercation and at the end of the altercation she came with her little hunting knife and stabbed me in my left eye where I lost my vision in that eye, and ah, it was really hard you know because here I, I just had a baby and now I’m going through, going back into the hospital and losing my sight, and it was just really me believing you know God was speaking to me in all these different ways. 

SID:   Yes Carol, well – now, I don’t think back then you knew diddly what was going on. 

CAROL:  No, I didn’t know anything. 

SID:  Now Isaiah, you in the meantime have a radical experience with God but you did wrong and you have to pay the price, you go to prison and from prison, you call Carol who is now out of Hawaii, you call Carol to marry you?  Why? 

ISAIAH:  Well, when I got saved of course I had a father in the Lord, and started getting discipleship in prison.  And like you say, I had to pay for my crimes that really was a mandatory twenty, but I only did five years. So the pastor said that Carol would be my wife and I said well, she’s not saved, you know she had all these issues as I went for a Godly woman. And the pastor said this is a word of the Lord.  So I waited five years, and the day that I was getting out of prison, getting processed out by the grace of God, the Lord spoke to me and said, call Carol now.  And I said, well Lord, I don’t have a cell phone in this cell. He said, call her now. So the long and short of it is a guard took me to the guard shack and let me make a long-distance call and I called her in California and asked her to marry me and she said yes, in the midst of all of her confusion. 

SID:  Now Carol, what was going on in your life when Isaiah calls you out of the blue? 

CAROL:  Well, this was right after my father killed the young man so I was in a lot of turmoil, I was very suicidal, I had two children, I was sitting that night, I’ll never forget, it was two-thirty in the morning and I was debating how I could kill me and my kids. And I heard – 

SID:  For real? 

CAROL:  I was going to kill us.  I was tired of living.  I remember I was screaming out to the Lord and I told Him how can You allow me to stay in my mess?  And I heard the Lord tell me, you know you got it right.  You’re in it, because I’ve always been at the door.  I’ve just waited for you to knock and then He told me, you can’t leave here until you do what I say.  So you might as well get comfortable, and as soon as I heard that – it was two-thirty in the morning and the phone rang, and it was Isaiah calling on the phone saying I have one minute and one question, “Will you marry me?” And immediately I said yes. But the funny thing that happened, after that as soon as I hung up the phone I heard a voice say, he doesn’t want you, he just wants those kids. And I said okay, fine. Well now I don’t have to kill the kids I can just kill myself. I’ll take him his sons, and when I finish taking him his sons, I go on and kill myself.  And so the pastor found out that he’d asked me to marry him and so they volunteered to pay for me to come to Hawaii with my kids. I only came there to get rid of the children and then go kill myself. 

SID:  But along the way, you went into a church.  Why? 

CAROL:  I went in the church to make a mockery of God.   I had no desire to get saved.  I had a twenty-dollar rock of cocaine in my purse. I was going to just go in there and make a mockery of his God he said he had found and I was going to go back out and do my thing. And low and behold when I walked in the church praise and worship was going and I don’t remember what was preached but I knew that I had reached the place that I was looking for, I just didn’t know that was what I was looking for. And I ended up at that altar, and within a minute, within less than a minute, within a second, God came, and the Holy Spirit just baptized me in the Holy Spirit and I was delivered of everything, low self-esteem, lesbianism, drug addiction, smoking cigarettes, lying – 

SID:  Instantly! 

CAROL:  Instantly.  Within less than a second I was delivered.  When I got up I actually had to look down at myself to see who I was. Because it was like I had came out of a bad dream. 

SID:  Now Isaiah, when she told you what happened to her, what went on inside of you? 

ISAIAH:  Well, when I first saw her and you know I picked her up at the airport like she said, she was still dressed up, we call it “hoochy mama” she had on everything showing, and so I says man, God missed it.  You know here I am I had been saved five years and so I had this religious kind of a mind. I was really embarrassed. And like she said she ended up at church in front of all my Christian peers. And I said now they’re going to think I’m full of lust because look who I desire to marry. And so the Holy Spirit started dealing with me in the service saying, you can believe I can save you but you can’t believe I can save her after all you’ve been through. And so I just closed my eyes and just trusted God, I didn’t know she was going to get saved that night but I really was kind of repenting that I would stop being religious. And sure enough, I mean she got gloriously saved and baptized in front of the whole church congregation –   

SID:  Question?  God began speaking to you about him and about your life.  Tell me about that? 

CAROL:  Yes, when I received the Lord, I knew that it was a touch from God, there was no denying that it was God, but I still did not trust Isaiah the man. And so I told him I don’t know about you but that night I had a dream, a vision, and the Lord showed me and Isaiah walking from, on a pulpit, him walking from one side and me walking from the other, and when we reached the pulpit a Bible opened up and a dove flew out, and He said I ordain this in the name of the Lord.  Go ye therefore. And then I knew I was supposed to marry Isaiah. And that next week at the testimony service I told them not only am I going to stay here, but I’m going to be your wife. 

SID:  Let me tell you something, if you don’t feel the presence of God, the spirit, the Shekinah glory of God – you need to have an encounter with God through His Son Jesus.  We’re going to come back and we’re going to find out – you literally went into a masque and the spirit of God invaded that place?  Don’t go away, we’ll be right back. 

 

SID:  Hello, Sid Roth, your investigative reporter here with Carol Reed. Last week hopefully you met her husband Isaiah Reed. Carol as I look at you right now I have to tell you something.  I can’t imagine a woman that was beaten at one point eight hours, beaten, physically beaten, living the life you lived as a prostitute, and I look at you right now, I’m going to have to ask you a question because I see this, but I’m going to have to ask you this – you don’t look remotely like – I didn’t know that person but that person doesn’t even exist. Does she in your mind?

CAROL:  No, you know when God heals you He makes you whole. And so all of those things even they were things in the past, there’s no remnant of it, there’s no scars left there only to be used to help other people. Yeah I went through a lot of those things but today they are empowering me. They are not anything that holds me down.

SID:  And I notice you can even talk about it.

CAROL:  Yeah.

SID:  Which, if it wasn’t for the fact that you know, that was a different person. But, someone doesn’t wake up one day and say ‘I want to be a prostitute.’

CAROL:  No.

SID:  It’s a gradual little by little – I know you can from a nice middle-class family in L.A. – but your stepfather tried to rape you and you ran away from home. And I guess that’s when it really began?

CAROL:  You know I really believe when I was a child you know the devil studies you from when you were little. And he put those things that were insecurities in me and he just blew them out of proportion, and when they weren’t dealt with they simply grew with me. And so every times there was another part of me that was insecure, he just blew it out of proportion. I believe when my mother’s husband tired to rape me that was my fork in the road and I said to myself well, if they think I am a prostitute then I might as well be one. And so I literally allowed what I heard in my psyche to manifest in reality, and I bit the apple.

SID:  Now what was the carrot? What were you after? What was your goal back then?  CAROL:  I really wanted love, number one, was always one of the most things that I have ever wanted. But I really wanted to be an entertainer and I felt as though there was really no way for me to get in to entertainment because of the media it shows women using their bodies and I looked at myself at one point of my life and said, well I’m beautiful, I can use my body because that’s what the media says you know, they’re looking for the glamorous girls and every guy wants a glamorous girl on his arm and so I used my body actually it was a weapon against myself. You know no one was interested in who Carol was on the inside, they just wanted to see who was this trophy baby that they could put up on their shelves or carry on their arms, and I let it get the worst of me.

SID:  So why did you stay in it, though?

CAROL:  You know when you are in a lifestyle like that, after being in it so long you know it’s like a voice speaking into your ear what else can you do?   You don’t have any skills. You’re not marketable. You know, where else are you going to make this kind of money? I was making anywhere from nine to two thousand dollars a day being a prostitute. The devil makes sin look good. And so I was drawn even more and more, and the one year was four years, four years was eight years, eight years ten years, ten years twenty years!  And the next thing you know I look back and where’s Carol at? Carol is this drug addict and this prostitute looks in the mirror, I can’t stand myself. There’s no other choice for me.

SID:  There was a young pimp that was taken with you and was stalking you and your father killed him.

CAROL:  Yes, I had a – because of low self esteem I sought out somebody that I thought that I could groom and make him into this man that I wanted, because you know all of the men that I had before had let me down and so I met this young man and I told him too much information about me and he took it the wrong way and when I decided I wanted to get out of the relationship he began to stalk me for two weeks and one day, August 23^rd, after bringing taking my son getting ready to take my son into the babysitters he came out of nowhere and was going to kill me and my son. And that day I felt death in the air, I could feel demons in the air to gather a soul back, and also feel angels in the air.  I knew death was real but I didn’t know who was there to collect until he asked me where was my father at; and immediately he said that, on his face I could see death and I began to beg him and ask him to run, but it was too late. The next thing I knew my father pulled up behind me and within a matter of seconds he pulled out a nine millimeter and shot this man five times in front of my face. And my world shattered that day because I had destroyed two people’s lives because of my insecurity. You know and it the thing that the devil will use whatever he can do to hold you back from being who you were created to be.

SID:  Isaiah Reed.

CAROL:  Yes.

SID:  When did you meet him and you didn’t realize he was even a pimp.

CAROL:  I met Isaiah Reed in 1985.  I used to live with Jim Brown the football player and one night after coming from a restaurant, I was on my way out and he came up to me and handed me some keys to a Rolls-Royce and I asked him in a not polite way to get away from me, and then when he decided he didn’t want to I gave him my phone number and he began to pursue me. You have to understand because I suffered from a low self-esteem so bad, anyone that seemed interested in me I gave them my attention because I needed his validation to make me be somebody because I didn’t know who I was. And he sought me out and began to call me, and I was in this big case with Jim Brown it was all over the news about raping some girl, and it wasn’t true but –

SID:  The football player.

CAROL:  The football player, Jim Brown of the Cleveland Browns –

SID:  Right

CAROL:  And so we won the case, and Isaiah who was at that time known as Prophet, he called his self Ricky Williams, he called me and asked me would I come to Hawaii to celebrate winning this case and I thought sure, what girl wouldn’t take a trip to Hawaii. And so unbeknownst to me, I flew over there and fell in love with him. And I can remember I thought to myself that either he’s one of two things, either he’s a drug dealer or he’s a pimp, and when I asked him, he told me he was both. And I figured okay, you know, even if he is a pimp I can get rid of two of the girls, I’m cute enough, I can run them off. But then I asked him how many girls he had, and he said, well I have seventeen. And I was like wow; you know that’s quite a few young ladies you know. But it was something that was in me because we had had sexual relations even though I wanted to leave him; I was still drawn to him. And I couldn’t deny the fact that there was something between us and I began to work for him knowing that he was going to pimp me and I was in total agreement to do it. You see a lot of people have it misconstrued that a lot of young ladies are prostituting themselves are being forced to prostitute themselves when it’s a free choice.   I had a free choice.  I chose to do that.

SID:  Yes, but when the other women saw he favored you, what did one woman do?

CAROL:  Well, in 1989 I got pregnant and I said surely he’s not going to make me work the streets anymore and the other girls were very upset because they had been with him for twelve-fourteen years, and here I cone along and I’m pregnant and I can remember when I was pregnant one of the girls kicked me in my stomach, and uh, when I delivered my son at seven and one half months, my baby weighed three pounds, three and three-fourths.

SID:  Did Isaiah have you working the streets while you were carrying the baby?

CAROL:  Isaiah had me working the street, and also myself.  You have to understand something about –

SID:  I’ll tell you what.  Hold that thought.  We’ll be right back in a moment and we’ll bring the man who became her husband, Isaiah, here.

SID:  Hello, Sid Roth your investigative reporter.  The presence of God is going to pour like a river.  I’m so glad that this isn’t the same old, same old type of TV where you sit back, and you just relax and you say entertain me.  No, no, no this is inter-active.  You are about ready to experience the power of God.  You see, Tommy Tenney, has intimacy with God and from this intimacy he walks in divine favor and he tells me his favorite thing is to just relax in his chair and contemplate things, and he hears expressions and words from God.  And Tommy, I have to believe some of those nuggets in your book came from those times. 

TOMMY:  Oh, absolutely.    

SID:  Tell us just a few of them. 

TOMMY:  Well, it’s about favor.  We were chatting.  We have actually had about as much fun off the air as we have on the air. 

SID:  Well it had better be that way, otherwise forget it all. 

TOMMY:  That’s right.  We were talking and this is one of the things that impacted me is that one day of favor can be worth more than a lifetime of labor.  You can work your whole life and it not put you where one day of favor can place you.    

SID:  So profound. 

TOMMY:  You don’t need everybody to like you Sid; you just need the right one.    

SID:  And we work our whole life to get everyone else to like us and we don’t even think in terms of the only one that counts.    

TOMMY:  Favor can restore in a day what was stolen over a lifetime.  Everything can be compacted into one moment.  And for some people, it’s their moment.    

SID:  And not only that, for some of you, you say, well I missed my chance.  Tommy, what would you say? 

TOMMY:  Favor can restore in a day what was stolen over a lifetime.  Satan cannot steal your destiny.  The king can restore anything that was stolen.  The Bible is full of examples, where people like; in the story of Esther they are a disenfranchised people, carried captive.  They were not only carried captive by the Persians, by the Babylonians, and then they got traded off like a used car, to the Persians.  Secondhand captives.  But somehow through favor Esther became Queen of Persia.  Her adopted father became prime minister, and carried the seal of the king’s reign and authority.  God wants to give people authority in their life.  He wants to empower them, but you can’t do it…don’t flirt with everybody else in the palace.  Don’t worry about man’s opinion.  Man is fickle.  They will love you today and hate you tomorrow.  It’s favor with the king that you really want.    

SID:  I understand this favor.  But I’m beginning to understand it even more, Tommy, as I take some of these protocols as you call them… 

TOMMY:  Right 

SID: …in your book.  The favor in my life is visibly increasing; it has to do with only one thing.  It took me a long time to figure it out.  You figured it out sooner than I did, but what’s more important is to figure it out. 

TOMMY:  That’s right. 

SID:  Not when you figure it out, but if you figure it out.  I am putting, carving out time for God like I’ve never done before.  Quality time, quiet time, as you put it, contemplative time, and I’m seeing it.  I know you don’t like to say an equation, but it is, God says, I believe, that if I will spend time putting Him first… 

TOMMY:  That’s right. 

SID:  He is going to shine on me.  And the thing that is so exciting is He is enough sunlight to shine on everyone.    

TOMMY:  If the king likes you, it doesn’t matter who dislikes you.  If you don’t spend time with the king…Esther prepared, that was not time wasted.  Some people feel like I’m stuck, I’m in a rut.  Time spent preparing is never time wasted when it’s your day, if you want it to be your moment, your time – your opportunity.  The little woman that touched the hem of Jesus garment, she had been sick for twelve years.  What if she had and that would have been a good excuse for her to say, I don’t think I going to go out into the crowd today. 

SID:  But worse than that, an unclean woman wasn’t allowed to touch a Jewish rabbi.    

TOMMY:  That’s right.  But something inside of her said I’m not going to miss my moment.  I refuse to miss my destiny.  And she elbowed her way past the opinions of others to get to the feet of Jesus basically.  Now my Bible tells me, as best I am able to understand it, that Jesus never passed through that village again.  What if she had said, I’ll wait until next Sunday.  I’ll wait till the next program.  But she said no, it’s my turn.  I love this little verse, Esther, chapter two, verse fifteen, it says, “Now when the turn of Esther was come.”  I came to tell some of you, it’s your turn.  It’s your time. 

SID:  Did you hear that?  It is your turn.  I can tell you what happened to me.  Coming from a traditional Jewish background; being involved in the new age, not knowing the difference between my left hand and my right hand, about ready to be destroyed, about ready for my marriage to be destroyed.  I can tell you that when I had no hope, it was my turn because someone cared enough about me to tell me that there is a stronger power than the new age power that was tearing me apart from the inside out and that power was in the name of Jesus!  And all I can tell you is I didn’t understand who He was, I didn’t understand what He did, I couldn’t tell you a theological message from beans! I couldn’t tell you anything.  All I could tell you I was going down for the third time, and I was gasping for air, and I cried out a one word prayer, no it was two words.  Jesus help.  And when I woke up, Tommy, from the worst night of my life, I was surrounded with supernatural peace like I had never experienced in the new age, or in the occult, and when I experienced that peace, it was the first time in a year, in a lifetime, not a year, in a lifetime I experienced that peace.  And this is my story, and it’s a true story.  God restored my mind, He restored my peace.  Get this, my wife and I just celebrated our 43^rd anniversary.  Only God could do this.  Only God can restore.  And you know something, what Tommy said; one night with the king, one night Tommy:  Changes everything. 

SID:  Thirty seconds, look into the camera and say something, one night.    

TOMMY:  One night with the king can change everything.  And I think it is your turn for you to have that encounter.  Remember; never underestimate the potential of one encounter.  One night with the king, turned a peasant into a queen.  Never underestimate the potential of one prayer.  Pray that prayer now, and see what God can do.  It’s your turn. 

SID:  Simple prayer.  Jesus, help.  That’s it, Tommy, you know.  Hey you think I’m a little fanatic?  You should see how fanatic people are for demonic.  It’s about time some of God’s children got fanatic for Him.  He is worth it.  Nothing else is worth it.  God is worth it.  I’m so glad you watched today.  Bet you are too. 

SID:  Hello, Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Tommy Tenney.  There’s a part of his book, on the book of Esther that I have to tell you is one of my favorite parts.  At least that’s where God has me right now.  Some people refer to this as soaking.  Tommy has other descriptions for it.   Tommy, tell me about Esther’s preparation with that oil of myrrh and perfume. 

TOMMY:  Esther, when she was brought into the palace, it’s not like they said, okay, take a shower, and tomorrow you see the king.  There was twelve months of preparation.  The first six months the Bible says that they soaked in oil of myrrh.  That’s a very fragrant, aromatic perfume, and six months in oil of myrrh.  The king must have really liked myrrh.  And then six months with other spices until by the end of that process I think you could probably smell Esther before you could see Esther.  They would say, here comes Esther.  But I don’t see her.  No, but she carried her own cloud with her.  And that was the anointing.   And the real purpose of that anointing, now think about this Sid, she walks through the palace.  Every young man in the palace wants to say, hey Esther, let’s talk.  To which Esther’s only legitimate response is, sorry, I can’t talk to you.  But why Esther?  You smell good, you look good; you’re walking good, beautiful dress.  Esther would have to say, I’m sorry I can’t talk to you.  Why?  It’s not your oil. 

Sometimes Sid, we prostitute the anointing to gain favor with anybody else in the palace. And one of the lessons I learned from Esther is, don’t flirt with lower lovers.  Save yourself for the king.  And that process of preparing, it was all about, the purpose of the anointing, the real purpose of the anointing, is to camouflage the stench of human flesh so the king can stand to be in the same room with you.    

SID:  If someone says, I’m going to, as we do here in the west, segment their life, and say, this part is for God, this part is for me.  What’s wrong with that thinking? 

TOMMY:  Well, it all belongs to God.  It would have been a travesty for a young lady to walk in and think that the palace was about her.  It would have been a prostitution of the process to say this is all about me.  In order to find favor with the king, you had to realize, think about these young girls, Sid.  They come into this palace; they had never seen a palace like this.  It would have been real easy, I’m going to tweak some religious spirits; can you handle it?   

SID:  I can handle it, the question is can you handle it?    

TOMMY:  They walk into this palace and it’s beautiful and it would have been real easy for these young peasant girls to fall in love with the palace.  Esther’s secret was she didn’t fall in love with the palace she fell in love with the presence.  She realized that the palace was just a big empty house without the king.  Sometimes people fall in love with, church.  And what they need to do is fall in love with the king.    

SID:  Tommy, I have a question.  You’ve got this Hollywood motion picture, you’ve got book after book after book that’s bestseller.   How do you, as my wife likes to say, how do you handle the “P” word?  Pride? 

TOMMY:  Oh. 

SID:  That’s a toughie though. 

TOMMY:  You know it may be.  But I know Tommy Tenney.  He’s not capable of doing any of that.  I couldn’t do it without Him.  It’s not about me.    

SID:  What is your personal worship like, life like? 

TOMMY:  Very contemplative.  I, most of my prayer time is spend listening instead of talking.  I do have a few outbursts every now and then tell Him how I feel.  But I’ve found that a good listener is more powerful than a good talker.  And it works with my wife; works with people, and about the only time I’m really comfortable talking is when I’m up speaking.  The rest of the time I would prefer to fade into the background somewhere. 

SID:  Just out of curiosity, are you more of an introverted type of person if you really could do what you wanted to do? 

TOMMY:  If I could do what I wanted to do, I’d live on an island, my wife, my family, my kids, write books and be in the presence of God.  Quite honestly, Sid, I don’t get my kicks out of preaching.  Preaching is my assignment; it’s what I’m supposed to do.  Writing is my assignment.  Where I get my life from, where energy flows into me is from worship.  And there is nothing better that I like than to be in God’s presence.  Not somebody saying He’s there, but Him really being there.   

SID:  For those that really don’t understand what we’re talking about, what does it mean, really, in words people can understand, to be in the presence of God? 

TOMMY:  I’ve been in the presence of Presidents, powerful people, in making this movie, had many, many nights of dinner with people like Omar Shariff, famous actors, and they are all interesting people, but there is nothing like being in the presence of God, your past and your future all rolled into one.  Suddenly you see, and you don’t only see, you understand what you see.  When I’m in God’s presence, I understand things, I know how things work, I don’t have to try to figure things out, you walk out, have you ever walked into a worship service and circumstances in life have you down, but you worship.  You don’t just sing a song, you don’t go through a ritual, you somehow get into God’s presence, then when you leave that service, the circumstances that existed before you walked in are still there, but they don’t affect you anymore.  Because of the divine perspective, you saw how it works.    

SID:  With what’s going on in the world today, how would you like to walk in that type of supernatural peace?   

TOMMY:  Favor. 

SID:  The whole thing that Tommy is saying is, he’s not special.  What God has done for him, He wants to, I believe God has a greater desire for you to enter this arena, than you do.  I think it’s time for it to be reversed.  I think you should have a greater desire to enter it than God.  But it’s actually the opposite.  We’ll be right back, if that hasn’t confused you, come on back and I’ll confuse you a little more.  Don’t go away.  Singer:  One moment in His presence… 

SID:  Hello, Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Tommy Tenney and I have to tell you last week something happened to me in a very supernatural fashion.  You see, God began to tell me there were people that were watching that had separation between him and them.  And that God wanted in the worst way to have intimacy with them.  He wants you to know him.  He wants you to experience his love, and I believe those same people are watching right now and I have a guest, Tommy Tenney, who was my guest last week and I said to Tommy, I have to have you this week because there was a special presence of God for certain people.  This is an inter-active show, what I mean by inter-active is that you are not just going to sit back and be entertained, you are going to experience the supernatural hand of God.  Tommy, we were talking last week about the book of Esther and, you know, when you say this it inspires me so much.  When you talk about the title of your motion picture, One Night with the King, tell us what one night with the king could do for an individual watching us right now.

TOMMY:  Like we were talking last week, favor is the key word in the book of Esther.  It is virtually in every chapter that Esther found favor.  And its about finding favor, not with just anybody, you don’t need everybody to like you, just the right one.  But how do you, how do you get God to like you?  Some people feel like that’s impossible, it’s really not.  And Esther learned the secrets, and we’ve been talking about what we called the protocols of the palace.  Picture this young Jewish peasant girl, picked up, deposited in the palace.  She has to learn where to walk, where not to walk, what to say.  She learns the protocol.  And in terms of our heavenly king worship is the protocol; it’s how you act in God’s presence.  What made the king notice Esther?  And I’m going to make what could be a humorous comment but, Sid, I don’t really think that Esther walked into the King’s presence with an old dirty tee-shirt on, white fluffy bunny slippers with the back mashed out, and said, Hey, big boy, we’ve got to talk. I don’t think it happened that way.  I think that…

SID:  How many women were going after this position, would you say?

TOMMY:  Well, somewhere between 400 and 1400.  Some of them volunteered, some of them their parents sent them there to try to gain political positions.  Some were just carried captive there.

SID:  And many of them had pedigrees, not like Esther.

TOMMY:  That’s right.  It was unprecedented for a Persian king to not marry somebody from their lineage. And it’s an incredible story that God picked Esther, but Esther submitted herself to that protocol.  She said, okay, to one of the king’s chamberlain, we know his name in the Bible, Haggai, she said, you tell me how to act, you tell me what to do, tell me what to wear, and she did that.  And there are people who dishonor the king by refusing to learn how to act in his presence.  My mission in life, I’m not the king, I’m a chamberlain, I’m a guy that’s been in the presence of the king and my goal is to tell people how to act in his presence.  I talk to people about worship; I can tell you what the king’s favorite dress is.  He said, put on the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness.  Praise is God’s favorite dress.  And some people say, well, you know, that’s just not my personality.  Yet they want favor.  But they say, it’s not my personality to do that.  Then don’t blame me if God doesn’t nod as we talked about…

SID:  Are you trying to tell me, Tommy, it’s not my kingdom, but His kingdom, it’s not my will, but His will, but would you…

TOMMY:  God has this incredible idea, Sid.  He thinks church and the world is all about Him.

SID:  It’s not about the pastor who has to give his message, or he’ll bust?  I don’t believe I said that.

TOMMY:  And neither is it about the banker that has to pursue his career or he’ll bust.  It’s all about god.  It’s about, we were created for a purpose, and you will all be frustrated, we will all be frustrated, if we don’t fulfill our ultimate purpose.  And the ultimate purpose of man is to worship God.

SID:  So many people go to church and they think the worship is the preliminary.

TOMMY:  Worship is the only part of our services that God gets any thing out of.

SID:  I would like you to say that again.

TOMMY:  Worship, I didn’t say worship was the only good part.

SID:  Right

TOMMY:  I said worship is the only part of our services that God gets anything out of.  God doesn’t get anything out of my preaching, your teaching.  Can you see God sitting on the throne of Heaven listening to what we have to say and nudging Michael or Gabriel and saying, “Here, hand me a pen, I want to write that down, I didn’t know that.”  No.

My preaching, my teaching doesn’t teach God anything.  The purpose of preaching and teaching is to raise up worshippers.  So, there’s an attitude that comes with the denigrating of worship.  People say, you know, I’ll be late for church and I’ll miss the wo4rship but I’ll get there for the word.  And they are proud of that fact.  What they are saying is, saying to God, I’m going to miss your part.  I want to get there for my part.  And it doesn’t work.

SID:  You know, in your book you talk about Esther’s preparation; especially soaking for a year.  We’re going to take a break and when we come back we’re going to learn…

TOMMY:  Can you imagine what she smelled like?

SID:  I’m going to tell you something I think she smelled more like that perfume than she smelled like a human.  We’ll be back in just a moment.  Don’t go away.  Someone’s neck has just been healed, someone’s back is just straightening out, and your hip the pain is gone, in Jesus name.  This is interactive, two-way television, and some of you are about ready to have that encounter that your heart has wanted.  Your mind just hasn’t quite figured it out yet, but it will.  Don’t go away, we’ll be right back.  Singer:  “One night with the king, changes everything…” 

 

SID: Imagine, 21-years-old, going to Africa, being involved with a tribe that has made a blood covenant with the devil, people that go against this tribe, strange, horrible, supernatural things happen. And Jennifer Toledo, in addition to that, you have no money, so what did you do about this situation with these, I mean no one is going to come to God because if they come to Jesus, they have these witch doctors after them, so no one can make any ground there, so what did you do?

JENNIFER: Well first I just began to pray because it just felt so overwhelming, I mean on every area, I mean there was poverty, there was famine, there was draught, war, violence, I mean so it just felt completely overwhelming obviously, and I just began to just pray and just tell the Lord why am I here, what’s this about? And God just asked me a very simple question, he said, “Jennifer, do you still believe, do you believe that I still use David’s to take down Goliath’s?” I had to think about that, I mean of course I believe that you are the God of miracles and I know you can do that but I know you can’t mean me, I now you can’t mean this place, but I just began to ask God of a simple strategy, for his heart for that place, and because I had really encountered compassion in the weeping room, my heart was so moved for these people I really wanted to see transformation come to that place.

SID: Now I have to tell you that anyone who listens to this CD, the Weeping Room, anyone that listens how to become like a little child, their faith is going to zoom. I mean I don’t know what feedback you are getting, but I know what happened to me and I know what happened to my staff that listened to this, and I must say, you do have childlike faith, and you do have compassion, so what happened?

JENNIFER: So we asked God for a strategy and what he said was to draw all of the leaders of the region together since it was originally the leaders who originally put the tribe in the curse, in the covenant, and so all the leaders came together, 1500 pastors, tribal leaders, government leaders, gathered together for seven days, and they repented for their covenants with the enemy, they broke curses, and then, what God told us, he said this is how you fix it, the only way that they can come out of covenant with Satan is they have to come into a stronger blood covenant, and so the whole tribe corporately came into blood covenants with Jesus Christ, it was so amazing.

SID: The whole tribe?

JENNIFER: The whole tribe.

SID: What happened to the witch doctors?

JENNIFER: Well what happened was when this happened, instantly God showed up in power and there was a complete shift in the atmosphere and we asked God for signs, and you know it hadn’t rained there in years and people were dying because of the drought, it starts to pour down rain, right in the middle of the desert, and then all of a sudden once this is done, a huge bolt of lightening, I mean this is like listening to a Bible story, this is the God of today, this is so awesome, huge bolt of lightening strikes this mountain called goat mountain, and that’s the place where all the witch doctors, you know that’s their place, that’s their high point, and they come running down the mountain in fear, because their power has dried up, something has changed, God stepped in, the curse is broken, and many of those witch doctors ended up getting delivered and saved and set free.

SID: Listen, like we say at Passover Seder, I’m sorry, like we say at Hanukkah, “A great miracle happened in this place.” A great miracle happened in this place, but then you picked up a rare tropical disease, tell me what happened to your body.

JENNIFER: I got very sick and didn’t know what was happening but knew that I was in very bad shape, I had been rushed to a hospital that was 14 hours away, and even getting there was a miracle. But once I got there I had been told if I had just been a few hours later I would have been dead. All of my organs had begun to shut down, and this toxin in my body was just completely destroying everything inside of me. And I was told there really wasn’t much they could do, there wasn’t a whole lot of hope, what they needed to do was a surgery to try to salvage whatever they could but something rose up inside of me and I just said no, I’m not going to have this surgery, I know that Jesus can heal me, this is my dad I’ve seen since 7-years-old who has taken care of me, has provided for me, he will not fail me now. And I just began to stand on the promises in the Bible. And what happened, as I was laying in my bed, I saw Jesus walk into my hospital room, and He took the back of His hand and He just cut me open, pulled my skin back

SID: Did it hurt?

JENNIFER: Didn’t hurt, it was really awesome. This is actually in a dream, as I was praying I fell asleep and had this dream, pulled my skin back, one by one He began to massage my organs, and put them back in, cleaned some things out and He just smiled and said, “It’s good.” Closed my skin back up, He had my perfect color skin in His hand, put it back on top and I’m, in my dream I’m just celebrating because I’m not going to have a scar, you know and I was so excited, and I’m awakened out of my dream, and quite honestly, I still felt ill. But I just had to make a choice, and I said, what is the nature of God? Would He give me this dream to tease me? I don’t think He would. And so I just began to declare, I’m healed, I’m healed, even though I was in pain. But every time I said I’m healed, strength came to my body, supernatural strength, and pretty soon I was stronger, stronger, stronger, and after ten days of being in the hospital and not eating for ten days and being in very poor condition, completely, I was completely healed that day.

SID: No surgery?

JENNIFER: No surgery, Jesus did my surgery.

SID: So what did the doctor’s say?

JENNIFER: So the doctor’s of course at first couldn’t believe me and they came running in, no way, you know, but they rushed me off for testing and I had multiple tests and every single test came back exactly the same. These are the same doctor’s that had tested me, but every test said this is medically undefined, we can’t explain it, this morning her organs weren’t functioning, now all of her organs are functioning one hundred percent, there is no poison in her body, she is completely healed, we have no explanation.

SID: If you didn’t know God, young lady, you wouldn’t be here right now. I bet your parents were pretty happy when you came back.

JENNIFER: They were. They were quite traumatized by the whole event. But actually it was good for my parents because they got to see the faithfulness of God and trust in Him as well.

SID: You know you work a lot with children, you have a real compassion for children; in fact you told me that God sealed compassion in your heart, very briefly tell me about it.

JENNIFER: When I was in the weeping room, had the encounter in the weeping room, I began to see just all that moves the heart of God, I began to feel his emotions for the first time, it is one thing to know in your head that he is compassionate, it’s another thing to actually feel his emotions, and I began to ask God to let me be a person who feels his emotions, and so I asked the Lord to brand compassion on my heart and I knew that that would cost me a lot, because compassion will drive you to lay your life down. But he did, in the vision he took a branding iron and he branded the word compassion on my heart and so my life has continued to be, my prayer has been that God would use me that I would be a vessel of compassion.

SID: Well let me tell you, these two CD’s that we are offering, one, The Weeping Room people will develop compassion, and this one that is called The Gospel of the Kingdom, Jennifer, when you actually taught this people had evenly visitations and people when they listen to this had heavenly visitations, but there is one thing that you said, of everything that you said that I wrote down, and it is so important, what does it mean to be a child, a totally dependant child, what’s happening to the children of the world, what’s happening to the adults that are believers that have forgot their first love, that forgot that God wants to be your daddy, what happens to those who have never experienced Father God as their Daddy, with me my father died, he’s in heaven, but the only father I have is my heavenly Father, my daddy, and I’ll tell you something, he is, how important is it to know that God the Father is your Daddy?

JENNIFER: It’s everything. And I just want to say too, for those that are watching no matter what you are going through, no matter what is happening in your life, he is faithful, he will prove himself to you as a faithful, loving Father. I can’t imagine going through my life without knowing the love of my Father, and he sees every act of injustice, he sees the wrongs that have been done, he sees the circumstances in your life, but he will prove himself to you to be faithful.

SID: Well, next move is yours. But God’s already made his move; he says, “I love you.” I mean do you realize can you comprehend this? The Creator of the universe reached down in the form of a man called Jesus to pa the price for your sins, to pay the price for your diseases, and I keep hearing that someone’s hip is being healed right now, pain of all kind is being healed right now, especially in the back, I tell you spines are being, I can hear it cracking, there is someone’s spine that is being healed right now. Who did that? Your Daddy, and I tell you that if you do not know Him, He wants you, there are no rejects, the only reject is if you reject him. He will not reject you. You say you’ve gone too far, hah, you don’t know what I went through, you don’t know what kind of life I lived, but I tell you that you have not gone too far if you are watching this television show, you have not. God himself had this orchestrated, God is real, God is love, but your sins have separated you from the greatest love, the love that you’ve been looking for your whole life, so what do you do, you repent your sins, you ask for his help to turn from them, and you make him Lord. And you start saying Daddy I need you. That’s called being a child, that’s what Jennifer is talking about, you must become like a little child. And that’s what I see in you Jennifer; you are like a little child.

SID: Hello, I’m here with Jennifer Toledo, and this young woman was involved in the most amazing supernatural surgery, before that happened, to almost prepare here, she had a vision in which she saw the compassion of Jesus, how he wept over children, he wept over injustices throughout the world. Jennifer, tell me what it means to be a child, what are the things that Jesus was weeping over? In planet earth today, what does it mean to be a child?

JENNIFER: You know when you hear that, sadly you would think normally to be a child is playful, fun, but today to be a child is very different. The world we are living in is so hostile towards children today, and it’s really the greatest area of injustice in the world is towards children. And if you kind of take a global perspective there are over six billion people on the earth right now, and over have of the earths population is under the age of fifteen. So over three billion of the earths’ population are children, and of those three billion, two billion live in dire poverty. So two out of three children live in dire poverty; that means

SID: People can’t comprehend those numbers though, you know that.

JENNIFER: Yeah, I mean it is just so massive, but if you just start to kind of break it down, I mean there is every area of issues of injustice that effect children, whether it is poverty, or disease, aids, war,

SID: Listen, I was listening to your CD on the weeping room and the things you were telling me about even war, tell me what they do with children as far as being soldiers.

JENNIFER: Well currently we are seeing a trend, I mean it has happened for years, where children are brought in to fight other peoples wars, and so young children are, you know, stolen from their cities, from their homes, they are drugged up, they are beaten, they are forced to commit horrible crimes and then

SID: Why?

JENNIFER: Because you know the warlords, the leaders are looking for soldiers and sometimes can’t find them so they have to come to children, and children are easy, they are easy, they’re easy to find.

SID: On this tape you were telling they numb, how do they numb their feelings?

JENNIFER: They numb the children, they will oftentimes force them to kill their own family members or they will do horrible things, I mean we have heard stories about making children watch just newborns be slaughtered and different things, just to numb them so that they can become their killing machine for them, it’s common. All other areas, even in wars if you think up until World War II – 90% of fatalities in war were soldiers, since World War II, we are now seeing 90% of all causalities of war are women and children. So things have really changed. And areas of children on the streets, there are over one hundred million children forced to live on the streets in our cities, and they experience every kind of exploitation, abuse, it leads to malnourishment, you’ve got seventeen million children, seventeen million children starving to death every year.

SID: What about aids, what impact is it having on children?

JENNIFER: Aids, you know we are seeing often, commonly in Africa we hear stories, but it is spreading all over, Asia is in bad condition as well, but with aids, we’ve got twenty million people living with aids, children are continually, on a weekly basis, having to bury family members, you’ve got millions of

SID: What about sexual exploitation?

JENNIFER: Sexual exploitation, there are ten million children Sid, involved in sex trade industry, ten million children, that’s prostitution, sex trade tourism,

SID: Tell me one child that you personally saw, what they were doing, and what they are today. Let’s take a real person.

JENNIFER: Oh my goodness, there are so many. We’ve seen, we’ve seen children totally,

SID: Take one.

JENNIFER: Okay, one child I can think of she was involved you know in horrible relationships in terms of her family, growing up she was mistreated, abused, she was sold sometimes to neighbors for the family to make money sexually, chained to walls, beat, I man just horrible, horrible environment, lived in great poverty with a single mom, and then you know parents, dad died of aids, mom died of aids, living with grandma, grandma can’t take care of her, grandma’s dying, and so the cycle just goes on and on, but this is everyday life for so many children.

SID: Was she rescued?

JENNIFER: Yes, actually she is one of the children in our children’s home.

SID: How is she today?

JENNIFER: She is doing great, she has come to know the Lord, God is just really healing her wounds, her heart.

SID: Okay, so you are in this weeping room, you are getting, I believe you picked up supernatural compassion in this weeping room, so you decide to go to Africa, you’ve got everything taken care of, how old were you?

JENNIFER: Twenty-one.

SID: Twenty-one, you’re on your way to Africa, you’re going there and you get there and you find out you don’t have any money, everything was cut off.

JENNIFER: Right. SID: You find out they discriminate against women, white women, and the village you are in have made a blood covenant with Satan?

JENNIFER: Well this was my first trip into Africa, I really didn’t know what I was getting into, I went in to one of the most difficult places in northern Kenya, called the Tricana, and all the environment was very hostile, it was just very difficult on every level, but the tribe I was working with was in blood covenant with Satan, and basically this had been happening for several generations, and they had to offer all these blood sacrifices to the devil to keep him appeased, and if not, horrible things would happen to them, their huts would set on fire, their family members would bleed from their nose until they died, I mean just horrible things, and so they lived in terrible fear and continued to pay homage to these demons because they didn’t know how to escape and their whole land was under the curse as well.

SID: So what in the world are you doing there, why did your parents say, if you were my daughter I’d say Jennifer come home.

JENNIFER: My parents did say that, no they blessed me to go, but it was really a set-up of the Lord, because had I known that you know prior to going, I obviously probably would not have gone, but

SID: I mean you put yourself in Jennifer’s place but a great miracle happened there, and wait until I tell you about that supernatural surgery, so don’t go away, we’ll be right back.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Jennifer Toledo. It’s really almost hard for me to believe, but this young lady I’m about ready to interview, Jennifer Toledo, was in Africa, she was dying, there was no hope for her, nothing, they wanted to cut out some of her organs, she had this rare disease she picked up, and Jesus came into the hospital room, sliced her open, massaged each one of her organs putting life back in, closed her up, she woke up and, well we’ll get to that in a minute as to what happened, but I’ll tell you what, that’s my kind of surgery. Did you have to pay a lot for that surgery?

JENNIFER: It was free.

SID: But he paid a lot for it if you look at it the other way.

JENNIFER: That’s right.

SID: So listen, you’re like 7 years old, you’re like so many Americans, unfortunately too many Americans, your dad leaves home – you have no father. And you began praying, as a little child, what did you pray?

JENNIFER: Well, I remember the day that my dad left and I was just feeling very devastated and I was in my room crying and just asking the Lord who’s going to take care of me and who’s going to be my daddy and one of the times I remember most clearly hearing the Lords voice and he just spoke to me very sweetly and he just looked at me and he just said, “I’ll be your daddy.” And it was very simple but it was all my 7 year old little heart needed and from that day he just continued to prove himself as my father. SID: Now you mom is a single parent, household, didn’t have a lot of money, and you learned how God, your Daddy, answered prayer. Tell me a couple of things you saw happen as a child.

JENNIFER: Growing up, there are so many different times where we just literally had to trust him as a real actual physical father, and, simple things, like fathers provide food for their kids, and there would be times when we didn’t have food left in our house and we would just pray and say God you’re our dad, so dad’s feed their kids, we need food and very simply but with absolute faith, and we would go to school and come home from school and I remember walking home so many times and there would be bags and bags of groceries just left on our doorstep with all the best things. And this happened so often we would just celebrate and rejoice that God had miraculously provided, we never knew where the food came from, there was never a note, but these kinds of things happened all throughout my childhood.

SID: But you know one of the things that I have difficulty is as I look over my notes about you is, then when you are about 16 years of age, seeing God provide like few people have seen him provide, trusting him, he is your daddy, and yet the pull of the world was pulling you out and you were in a Taco Bell, and again you heard God’s voice, what did he say?

JENNIFER: Well at that time I was, I really loved God but yet was still very selfish, and I was sitting in Taco Bell with a group and just clearly, I just began to feel conviction of the Holy Spirit, and I just felt God tugging at my heart you could say, and very clearly he just said to me, you need to make a decision, you can’t keep living this way, you are either going to live for me or you are going to live for yourself, but you can’t do both. And that really struck me because I thought I could do both, and I really realized for the first time what it means to die to yourself and to begin a process of surrender and so from that day began a whole journey in my life of surrender

SID: Was if difficult giving up your friends?

JENNIFER: It was very difficult, I mean at 16 to give

SID: But wait, a few years later now, you’re about ready, you’ve fought, the love of your life, I can just picture it, Jen, the love of your life, and what did God say to you?

JENNIFER: God said that that wasn’t, he would bless me if I went through with that but it was not his highest for me and it would limit me from reaching all that he had for me at that season, so

SID: Did you doubt that that was God, because this is the love of your life, your hearts is going pitty-pat?

JENNIFER: It was very difficult to accept, but I knew it was the Lord and I had asked for confirmation and I had gotten it, so it was very hard, it was very hard to process, but I had peace in my heart and I knew it was the Lord and I never wanted to live a day knowing that I hadn’t walked in his fullness and his best, I never wanted to choose second best.

SID: Now I have two CD’s by you, I hear they are phenomenal; the one I’m holding up right now is “The Weeping Room.” This came from a vision, tell me about that?

JENNIFER: I had an encounter a few years ago, I was just praying, and just asking the Lord to show me his heart, and

SID: That’s a dangerous thing to do.

JENNIFER: That’s true, that true, no it’s a good thing. But truly in pursuit of friendship, wanting just to know what was precious to his heart, I began to have a vision, and in the vision God just takes me up to heaven, what looks like the Father’s house, it’s the only way that I can explain it, but it was just a house full of many rooms and each room had so many different things, but he took me into this room that was called the intimacy chamber, and from there he led me into another room called the weeping room and in that place he just began to share his heart with me about the poor, the broken, the children, and issues of injustice and that experience totally changed my life and the course of my life actually.

SID: When you were in this weeping room, what was Jesus doing?

JENNIFER: Well, you know when I first went into this weeping room, the Lord, I wanted to go in and the Lord said well you need to think about it because it is a lonely place, and I thought well why would there be a place like that in heaven, it just didn’t seem to make sense, but he said that’s where I spend most of my time, and I said well what’s the name of the room, and he said it’s the weeping room. And I really didn’t understand but as I went down I saw it was just very simple, very simple, humble room with a little wooden chair and a window, and the Lord just sat on the chair and he looked out the window. And in this window you could see every single cry coming from the earth at one time, every person crying out, every prayer, every act of injustice, you could see it all, and Jesus sat on the chair and he looked, and he watched it all, and he saw, he heard every single thing, and he just sat there and he took it in and I, in reality I just began to weep, and I just began to just cry, and just, I was so overwhelmed because God is so beautiful who would choose to see the pain and the suffering and care and listen to it all.

SID: Some of you are saying that oh, that was just a reaction to pizza but let me tell you it wasn’t because I can confirm it in the word of God, it says through his spokesman the Prophet Isaiah, speaking of the Jewish people, “In all their affliction, in all their affliction, I was afflicted.” Can you imagine the Creator of the universe saying, in their affliction; that means in your affliction; he was afflicted. Don’t go away, I want to hear about this supernatural surgery and I want to see about this supernatural compassion, we’ll be right back.