Sid:  My guest by way of telephone is Bobby Connor; I’m talking to him at his home in Moravian Falls, North Carolina.  And Bobby any time I talk to someone from Moravian Falls I know that they are moving in the supernatural.  I hear so many stories about people seeing or having visitations from angels from Moravian Falls. I was reading in my notes about the time that you had a visitation of fourteen angels.

Bobby:  Yes.

Sid:  Tell me about that.

Bobby:  Okay, a man built a cabin here, I man asked my wife several years ago, “Do you think if I built a little cabin Bobby would come stay here some?”  So, she said, “I don’t know ask him.”  So finally I told him yes I would.  So there was no buildings up in here at that time so there was a little old creek running and beautiful little place.  So the man built a cabin, a little bitty small cabin and so we’re dedicating this cabin after he got it built so we’re praying and it’s around 9:00 at night and as I’m praying loud footsteps began to sound inside the cabin.  There’s only two of us there and neither one of us are moving. This man squeezed my hand real real tight and he said, I got to leave hadn’t I.  And I said, “Yes.”  And so he left and then I hear a noise out on the porch of this cabin and Sid I walked out there and there was fourteen to eighteen angels.  And they were dressed like pilgrims.  Now I’ll tell you why they were dressed…

Sid:  But wait a second, just out of curiosity had you had numerous angelic visitations before that or was this a first?

Bobby:  No, I had angel visitations before that.

Sid:  Okay.

Bobby:  So these angels were dressed like pilgrims because the Moravians had stationed them way back in the 1700’s when the Moravians’ had come through here, Zinzendorf that group.  And so the first question the angels asked me was this, “What took you so long?”  You know they were talking about picking up the mantle and coming to the land and occupying the land.  And so I stayed out on the porch, now this sounds crazy but it’s the truth, and I just fellowshipped and played with these angels.  They would jump off the porch, they would jump back on the porch, they were swinging in the porch swing, they’d swing around the post on the porch.  Now I’m actually awake I’m you know actual angels and then all of a sudden after about forty-five minutes one group got kind of quiet and I looked and they vanished.  And I looked and the other group vanished and then so it’s about 10:00 or 10:15 at night so I walked back in the cabin and I’m setting there on the couch watching the fireplace burning, and I’m kind of chewing myself out I thought, wow, I shouldn’t have played around I should have inquired of the Lord and something like that.  And Sid about that time a heavy knock came on the door real hard.  Now remember we’re up in the isolated mountain in a cabin no houses is a round.  Whop,whop the knock came, startled me my heart jumped up in my throat and I said, “Come in” and a voice said in a “No, you must come out.”   And Sid I go to the door, open the door and there stands Jesus Christ, not a vision, I’m talking about Jesus standing there at the door of the cabin and He had a bottle in His hand which appeared to me that looked like a Champaign bottle and here’s what He said to me, “He said, “We’re going to have a Christening service, but you don’t know anything about christening that’s what He said and then walked right passed me, didn’t stop in the living room where the fireplace was, went straight to the bedroom and before in just a flash He took the bottle struck the wall with it and the bottle shattered and an oil began to run down the wall.  Now watch this, I thought it, I didn’t say it, I thought it, I thought “Oh, my how am I going to explain the man that built the cabin the first night something has happened to his wall.  The moment I thought this the Lord Jesus rebuked me, he said to me, He said, “You never have to attempt to apologize for what I do or explain what I do.”  Then He said, “Look, He had me look at the wall and oil that was running down the wall in this cabin had been turned into a map of the world.”  “Have you seen a war room where the map is laid out straight, you can see all the continents at one time?”

Sid:  Yes.

Bobby:  That’s the way this was Sid then the Lord took His finger and would point at the map and where He would point would light up and He said, “You can only target what I target or you’ll become a target.”  And He stayed with me all most all night, every hair on my body stood up like I’d been electrocuted and it was the strangest thing.  My wife was in Texas praying, “Oh God give Bobby a visitation, I’m in Moravian Falls praying, “Oh God don’t kill Bobby.”  I’m telling you for weeks my hair, every hair on my body stood out like electricity.

Sid:  My goodness, now the places that He was pointing on the map. What was going to happen at these places?

Bobby:  He just told me that you can only target what I target or you’ll become a target.  When He would touch those places He would show me some of the things that He’s going to do, some of the events that’s going to take place there good and bad.  I’ll throw this one in, one of the place that He pointed at was Kiev in the Ukraine.

Sid:  Yes.

Bobby:  And hear what He said about Kiev He said, “The largest revival in the history of mankind will spring from Kiev and it’s going to start in Kiev and run down to Russia.”  And He said, “It will mainly erupt in Russia with youth, and then He said, “Watch this.”  And He showed me like a, do you remember in the old western movies they would light up a powder keg?  They would light a fuse, remember?

Sid:  Sure.

Bobby:  That’s what happened, He lit what looked like a fuse and I saw a foot run up and try to stamp it out, which was orthodox religion and they couldn’t stamp it out.  And then I saw another foot running and tried to kick dust on it and that was the mafia, but they couldn’t stamp it out.

Sid:  It’s interesting whenever I go to Russia or Ukraine especially in Ukraine especially in areas like Odessa and Kiev where I’ve ministered, but especially Odessa where every other person has Jewish ancestry, which is amazing, it’s like an open heaven there.

Bobby:  Can I tell you what happened to me here in Moravian Falls?  When we came up here to live I go to a certain place, it’s a certain big rock and I’m setting there looking out over the land and I’m just praying, but I’m not really fervently praying, I’m waiting.

Sid:    Right.

Bobby:  And Sid the Lord Jesus Christ came and sat right down at my right and here’s what He said to me.  He said, “I’ve called you to this land to redeem it for its original purposes.  I said, “What is that?”  He said, “It’s the salvation of the native American and the protection of the Jews, get under this rock.”  That’s exactly what He told me.  And there’s a rock a great big rock the size of a big room in a house.  And then He said, “Get under this rock” and I protested, I said, “Lord, I can’t get under this rock.”  He said, “Get under this rock” and I looked and there was a lip and a clef under this rock.  So I climbed under the rock and as I’m pushing with my hand to keep from falling a rock fell off in my hand about the size of a dinner plate.  And He said, “What’s that in your hand?”  And I said, “Why” and I looked at it and it’s a perfect cut out of the state of North Carolina.  And so I showed it to Rick Joyner, he said, “Keep that its a sign.”  But the Lord told me, He said, I’m calling you here to this land for its original purpose, the salvation of the native Americans and the protection of the Jews.  Isn’t that strange?

Sid:  I have heard that about that particular land before, now when the Lord visited you He talked about it’s time for you to take up your mantle.  What is your mantle?

Bobby:  I’ll tell you our mantle I believe is really just being a prophet to the nations and just trying to show people the Lord does speak to them.  John 10:3 says “My sheep hear my voice,” John 10:27 says “and they will follow me and another voice they will not follow.”  So I believe we need to train the people of God to clearly and concisely hear the voice of God.

Sid:  … “God’s Supernatural Power” about walking in the anointing, most people don’t even have a clue what that terminology means.  What does that mean?

 Bobby:    It means doing the works that Jesus Christ did through the same power that Jesus Christ did through while He was walking here on earth.  It’s the power of the Holy Spirit.  And one of the verses we use in our new book is Psalms 92:10 “I shall be anointed with fresh oil, this fresh oil anointing will release my strength like that of a wild ox.”  And we need anointing; if we study the Bible in the New Testament Jesus did no mighty miracles until He was filled with the Holy Ghost.  Acts 10:38 tell us God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power.  And so that’s what we got to have we got to have that anointing and the power of God.

Sid:  Now I’d say the number one thing in addition to that though, but the number one thing is what you said just previous and that is hearing God’s voice.  Is it just becoming aware or is there something else we can do to hear His voice clearer?

Bobby:  I tell them, intimacy.  Nothing will intensify hearing like intimacy.  My wife and I have been married over forty-three years.  If she called me and I go “Who is this, woo we’re in trouble.”  But see I should be able to tell whether she’s happy or sad just by the inflection of her voice.  And so that’s what we’ve got to do; we got to become very and very intimate with the voice of God.

Sid:  Tell me some practical things we can do to accelerate this.

Bobby:  Number one we’ve lost the real art of getting still before the Lord, Psalm 46:10 & 11 says “Be still and know.”  And we’re in a very fast pace world and this world tries to get us so busy so we don’t have that time of meditating upon the Lord waiting before Him.  And so we need to learn how to shut the world out.  Remember it says, Jesus said when you pray inter into your closet.  Now we can’t spend time, 24 hours a day in a closet, but we need to learn how in a fast pace world how to get alone with God, to shut the world out and put our focus on the Lord.  And one of the ways to do that is the Word of God and getting still.  I like to listen to real soft praise music, you know there’s terms out there about soaking and marinating and stuff like that.  But I believe it’s good to be still and just wait before the Lord.

Sid:  Did God show you anything about these radio shows that we’re doing right now?

Bobby:  I’ll tell you what we’ve got to do, God is going to initiate a hunger in the hearts of the people.  But God’s going to start releasing prophetic words to people.  Here’s what I saw, I see right now there’s a woman listening.  Her name is Ruth, her last name starts with an L.  But she’s got a wayward daughter; Ruth has a wayward daughter that has been away from home and away from the teachings of the family and away from the things that she was trained in, but God going to bring her back.  And she goes by Nicole now, I don’t think that’s her real name, I thinks it’s almost like a nickname that she’s picked up for herself.  But I want to encourage Ruth that her daughters going to come home.  Her daughter will be back home and it’s going to be a wonderful time.  I see the month, by November, by this coming November Ruth’s daughter will be back home and it will be as though she never really broke fellowship with the home.  So I’m very excited about that.

Sid:  Now are you hearing what you’re saying or are you seeing a vision, what’s going on?

Bobby:  Okay, while I was talking to you a moment ago when I said that Jesus came and sat on the rock, and then I saw this woman named Ruth, and I saw that she’s been praying, she is listening to the program.  She’s been praying for her daughter.

Sid:  You saw this like in a vision or you actually?

Bobby:  I really did, I just saw it up in the airs is what I would call it because we’re doing this interview from the home in Moravian Falls and I can see my office and I can see the house hear.

Sid:  I’ve been so excited all this week about this end-time mentoring tool that we’re making available by Mike Shreve, it’s called “God’s Promises for Your Children.”  Now Mike is living a prophetic life because Mike has had to have miracle after miracle after miracle.  Number one, they weren’t even supposed to be able to have children, and then their two children both of them, there was attempts on their life before they even were born.  Your daughter was supposed to have spinal bifida, your son should have had brain damage and as a matter of fact the spinal bifida would have stopped your daughter from being able to dance.  She’s a dancer today; being deprived of oxygen with your son that should have made him very slow mentally and how bright is your son right now Mike Shreve?

Mike:  Well, he’s pretty much a straight “A” student and he’s got almost a photographic memory.

Sid:    So what the devil meant for evil by praying these promises…and what about your son had a physical problem he was a toe walker.

Mike:  Yes, I had never heard of that until it happened for him, he never walked on his heals he tip toed continuously. For about seven years we prayed but we didn’t really war over the situation as I believe we need to. Finally I resorted to possibility of a surgeon taking care of it and we went to a large hospital in a major city and the doctor said, “He would have to clip the tendons in the back of his foot and it may make him worse off and he may end up in a wheelchair.  And while he was talking to me I heard the voice of the Lord speak to my spirit and He said, “Get out of here and don’t ever come back.”  And so I left that hospital knowing that the only answer was the supernatural one, just a little after that I was in a conference with a number of other ministers and we brought my son up and warred over him and intercession and sought God and claimed the promise.  And incidentally there’s a promise in Psalm 91 where God said “No evil shall be fall thee, neither shall any plague come neigh your dwelling and that includes your children that are in that dwelling with you.”  And I said “Well, Lord we’re supposed to be free from sickness and disease and infirmity,” You said “No plague will come neigh your dwelling” and we prayed probably ten, fifteen minutes over him passionately.   Well, the next day he was flat footed and has never walked on his toes since, it was absolutely a miracle, God lengthened his tendons immediately be the power of prayer.”

Sid:  You know that when your son was just four years of age he had a heavenly visitation and he was told by the Lord not to watch bad TV, why is that so important not to watch bad TV?

Mike:  I believe it’s because that’s how the enemy is transferring spirits into children’s lives.  You know for instance one of the biggest plagues of our generation is the increase of sexual perversity. What happens is that they see these Hollywood stars that are cast in roles where they are in a situation of indulging in sexual perversity.  Maybe not blatantly in a program that children would normally watch.  But sometimes subtly and by even laughing with comedy characters that are putting on like they’re sexually perverse it opens the door to accepting that kind of lifestyle and it just transfer that spirit right into a child’s life or mind they wonder why they get wooed that direction, it was opened up to them through the television and that’s just one example of many.

Sid:  And why is it so important not to speak even if it’s true, a negativity, about your children or grandchildren?

Mike:  Well, the old word is WYSIWYG, is What You Say Is What You Get, life and death are in the power of the tongue. One of the most powerful promises given for our children, and there are 65 specific promises God’s given the children of His people is found in Deuteronomy 30 verses 19 & 20.  This was where God was rehearsing in the minds of the children of Israel the importance of making a choice between the blessing or the curse being passed down through the family line.  And He said, “I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you that I have set for you life and death, blessing and cursing therefore choose life that both you and your descendants may live; that you may love the Lord your God that you may obey His voice, that you may cling to Him for He is Your life and the length of your days.”  Well the key thought there is where God says, “Choose life that both you and your descendant’s may live.”  What does that mean to choose life?  Well, God is talking more than just physical life, He’s talking about the things that give us a spiritual well being or mental well being as well.  There’s things that feel death to us emotionally and mentally; like for instance hatred, anger.  The Bible says that if we hate our brother we abide in death, it has a debt dealing impact on the soul, it deadens our inner being with attitudes that carry us away from God, depression, discouragement, fear etcetera.   And God is say, “it’s up to you to choose life”, and when you say “I choose life” you’re in essence saying “I choose all the life giving attributes of God that fill the heart, that fill the mind with life giving influence.  I choose joy, I choose peace, I choose victory”, that’s what you’re saying when you say “I choose life.”  I choose the character of God, I choose the nature of God and that’s your way of passing down that blessing to your offspring when you say “I speak over my son, I speak over my daughter and I choose life for our family.”  Then that covers every arena of life.

Sid:  Now explain to me this end time tool that you’ve just, it’s literally just off the press, “God’s Promises for Your Children.”  You know I have to be candid with you when I first saw the book I thought oh it’s another book on prayer, we know we’re supposed to pray, but no it isn’t this is so practical, explain.

Mike: Well, this generation is under attack, this generation is so much a part of God’s plan, I believe this is the final generation that will see the compilation of many prophecies and I believe this is the generation that will see the Lord Jesus Christ return.  And one of the promises that God gave at the beginning of the new covenant era, Peter preached about it when he stood up on the day of Pentecost he said, “This is that which was spoken of by the Prophet Joel in the last days says God I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh”, and then here it is He said, “Your sons and daughters will prophecy and your young men will see visions and your old men will dream dreams.”  Well that was the beginning of that era of time called the last days.  Well, we are in the last of the last days. So this is going to intensify even more and it’s a time when God I believe is intending to raise up our sons and daughters as the prophetic voices that will bring in that last harvest that we’re going to see right before the coming of the Messiah.  And so it’s all the more important to take these 65 promises and pray them over your sons and your daughters that this final determination of God will take place.  I believe that it’s in our hands, we can either sit by idly, and watch the enemy take over the lives of our children, or we can say “That’s enough, enough, enough, it’s enough, I’m praying these promises into their lives and watch God watch over His word to perform it.”

Sid:  We want everyone everywhere to having an encounter with the living God that no matter what the devil throws at you, no matter what the world throws at you nothing can shake you from your faith.  My guest David Herzog another Jewish man that is red hot for Jesus, and I have his latest book is literally off the press, it’s called “The Ancient Portals of Heaven.”  And David you talk about there’s keys to miracles, keys to the harvest, tell me some of these keys that you’ve found.

David:  One of the keys that I talked about on the last radio program is again the presence and the glory of God.  Everything comes from God so you don’t want to get a miracle apart from God, you want God so seek first His Kingdom I’d say His presence, His righteousness, His glory. Just seek Him and all these things will be added, miracles, finance, and open doors whatever.  So we get into the presence and glory of God and as the glory begins to come then in that glory you start seeing…

Sid:  You know as you’re talking about the glory the glory is beginning to come; are you sensing that?

David:  Yes.

Sid:  It’s just the most, the most amazing thing all you have to do is talk about the glory and glory shows up. Go ahead.

David:  So in that presence and in that glory suddenly you start seeing things in the Spirit, you get pictures in your mind, visions, you hear things.  You start getting a sense, I feel this, I feel that, and you start going with that those things that God’s showing you or your sensing and as you go you feel led to pray for this or I feel someone has this.  And you go by that direction in a cloud of glory amazing, amazing things begin to happen, healings, signs, wonders.  If you try to do it dry, just “Okay we’re going to pray for everybody right now” and you know God can do it just by faith, but how much more if you had extreme glory with extreme faith.

Sid:  You know there is so much glory right now and you have so much faith and I have so much faith that God wants to do some spectacular things.  Tell me about that paralyzed boy because you did something I did every once in a while, you sang the prayer, explain.

David:  Oh yeah, I was in a meeting this was years ago in Cottonwood, Arizona. It was actually a youth group, and I was there ministering and boy was paralyzed, he came in there and his hand was paralyzed and I just began to pray for him and Lord told me “Don’t lay hands on him the typical way, there are different ways to pray just start to worship me and sing his miracle into being.”  So I began worshipping and singing unto God and then begin singing declaring his miracle and thanking God while worshipping.  And such a heavy glory began to come and this boy suddenly began to be able to bend his arm and move it and lift it up and down and he was paralyzed previously and he couldn’t even move that arm at all.  So something supernatural came in those few minutes of just worshipping Him, it’s kind of like a worship prayer so that was quite unusual.

Sid:  Now give me an idea of when you’re speaking what do you do to enhance the outpouring of God’s glory; there’s certain things you normally do?

David:  When I go to a place to speak especially if it’s a church or it’s a big campaign event in another country.  I usually tell them first of all to do a fasting and a prayer chain because when they fast and pray something begins to happen it does something in the Spirit realm and it causes and acceleration and it causes faith.  People start expecting God’s going to show up; fasting and praying you know Moses fasted forty days before he went up to the mountain, the glory of God.  Daniel fasted twenty-one days and the angel visited him and even the Apostles fasted three days and God gave them direction where to preach.  So I have them do it like a chain, you know if you get twenty one people each doing one day; it’s not too bad every day someone’s fasting.  It seems to bulldoze all the demonic stuff out of the way, and by the time I get there there’s already an open heaven.  There is just something that changes in the atmosphere and Jesus fasted before He started his miracle ministry; so I do that, of course we fast and pray too.  Secondly we make sure there is really good praise and worship.  We make sure that if there’s praise first then worship, Ruth Heflin taught a lot about this.  But basically the fast songs, the praise until the Spirit of worship teams and then when you feel the breakthrough go to slow worship intimate songs the glory begins to come.  So these are different little keys that I do when I go that I notice majorly accelerate and enhance the glory.  Sometimes I even have some quiet worship playing in the background just to keep a flow going.  Yeah, that is some of the things that we do in the meetings and there are other things too, but those are some of the main things to prepare before we come to a place.

Sid:  Where in all of the world do you find the most open portal?

David:  I’d say in Israel, Israel’s the most open portal certain places in Israel where just seems to be an open heaven there.

Sid:  You know many times you go to Israel and having meetings, I’ve actually seen video footage from your meetings in Israel and some of these Israeli’s have instant weight loss tell me about one.

David:  Yeah, one time we were having a meeting in Jerusalem and I gave a word of knowledge that somebody is losing weight right now, grab your pants and a woman’s pants began to drop dramatically.  And she came up just laughing and just couldn’t believe it she had lost just so much weight that she was showing the whole audience. That’s one of the time times in Jerusalem during the Feast of Tabernacles.  So what’s interesting Jerusalem is a portal geographically, the Feasts are seasonal portals so basically He had a seasonal and a geographical portal at the time same time a double whammy; a double open heaven.

Sid:  David in your book “The Ancient Portals of Heaven,” why would someone benefit to read this book?

David:  Well when they read the book they’ll begin to get supernatural revelation that will tap them into the understanding of what the ancients knew, what did Enoch know, Elijah know, what did Solomon know, what did the apostles know, what is the revelation that they knew how to tap into the glory realm, open heaven encounters with God, visitation.  What does it mean when they say “I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day.”  Or the visitation of Ezekiel, they’ll get to tap into things the average believer doesn’t usually tap into today that they did before.  Ancient portals, ancient wisdom of what the people of God knew before that God wants to give back to us today.

Sid:  Now one of the portals you found is blessing Israel, tell me about that.

David:  Oh yeah, well it say it’s very clear in the Word of God that if we bless Israel there will be a blessing, but I noticed it’s not just like a physical blessing, but there’s a spiritual blessing that comes.  We began going to Israel, let’s see, in 1994, and blessing Israel not knowing that it would totally transform my ministry.  We went on a trip, shared the gospel; people got healed, people got saved and we came back home, our ministry just suddenly began to just literally skyrocket from almost nothing happening to just total favor open heavens, souls, we were on every, almost every, move of God that God was doing, we were on the cutting edge.  And so it propelled us into the glory nonstop for the next five years just because we blessed Israel financially, spiritually and in every other way it caused an explosion to our ministry in our own personal life.

Sid:  David, in your book you talk about the master keys to the harvest, explain.

David:  Yeah, the master key to the harvest I usually Roman’s 11.  Paul was a Master Apostle which most everyone would agree Jew or Gentile that he was a Master Apostle.  He knew how to win the lost; he knew how to build the Kingdom of heaven. So basically he wanted to go to the Jews but God told him “No, your main call is to be to the Gentiles, you’re to an Apostle to the Gentiles.”  So I taught on Roman’s 11 where he gives his secret.  He says, “I magnify my ministry.”  So that’s something everybody would love their ministry to magnified or be greater than it is now.  And he says to things, number one, “I make my own people jealous.”  You know even if they, people don’t get saved that are Jewish, but if they’re jealous for what you have you’ve already planted a seed, there’s a blessing that God will give you.  And number two he says “And I tried to save some of them.”  So he would always still sow and try to win the Jewish people to the Lord.  And the few Jews he got saved, I believe caused a 1,000 fold return in the Gentile world.  So he would go and a few Jews would get saved and he maybe got a 1,000 Gentiles in return.  His ministry was probably one of the most powerful as far as all of the apostles.  He wrote most of the New Testament and he says, “My secret is number one, I make them jealous and number two, try to say some of them.”  And he goes on and he explains it that “If their fall is that they missed their Messiah, the Jewish leaders would reconcile the world, how much more their resurrection?  If Jews come back into the Kingdom, if they fell and Gentiles got in how much more if they come back in?”  It says, “It’ll cause a resurrection of the dead.”  Literally resurrection power will come back on the Gentile Church if they will begin to pray and believe for Jewish people to be saved.

Sid:  David, in your book you say that anti-Semitism has literally caused us to lose this ancient wisdom, explain.

David:   Yeah, I believe that it’s the favor and the portal on the early church began to close right about the time of Constantine. You know the apostles were in Jerusalem, the church was growing, shook the entire Roman Empire.  Paul even his goal was to go to Rome and he did and it really shook the entire known world at that time, the Roman Empire.  And so the Roman’s got smart after awhile they see all these people receiving Jesus getting saved even at the point of death, ever Roman soldiers willing to die because they realized these believers are more bold and courageous than the Roman soldiers.  So Constantine, I believe, was one of the ones used to close the portal.  He finally made it a compromise with the church, he basically said, “Okay, we’ll become a Christian Empire, will stop persecuting Christians.”  But basically his one condition was this as long as we have nothing to do with the Jews or the Jewish believers for that matter.  So in 325 AD Constantine charted up basically his edict basically to all the churches telling them not to have anything in common with the Jews even telling them not to do the feasts, the Passover Feast.  And especially not to do it during the seasonal portal that the Bible gives so basically he changed the date…

Sid:  So the Church would then lose that great blessing of God promising to show up at His set feasts or His set appointments.

David:  Exactly so they said, “Okay, we’ll do it we’ll still celebrate Jesus but we’ll call it Easter” which is pagan, totally pagan, Ishtar that’s another whole teaching.  So a lot of Christians say well, as long as we’re celebrating His birth and resurrection any way we are okay, but what they don’t realize is that they are missing the actual date that the Bible show the exact date when He’ll show up every year.  So by doing it on different day you’re missing the portal, you’re missing the season the exact time period where you could really get a bull’s eye in the Spirit and really get an incredible visitation.

Sid:  And of course your book also shows that where as you can miss a blessing by missing the portal you can get a blessing by walking into that portal or that pathway, or that door into heaven.  I mean I wouldn’t want to miss it for anything.

Sid:  The Jewish person that has crossed your path is not an accident. God wants you to demonstrate the Supernatural Kingdom to him, and love him to Jesus.  Now for you to demonstrate the Supernatural Kingdom you have to be able to operate in signs and wonders. That’s what grabs the attention of someone from another religion.  That’s what grabs the attention of atheist that is normal according to the Bible.  Instead most Christians are sick themselves and don’t know how to pray for others to be well, most Christians believe all the promises of God in the Bible, but many don’t, if not most, don’t see them happening in their life and they don’t understand and they say.”What’s a matter with me am I Swiss cheese?”  Well I have Dr. Jim Richards on the telephone and he has three Doctorate Degrees, he’s lived the miraculous, he’s seen every miracle multiple times that we read in the Bible.  And for thirty-five years he has studied health and alternative medicine and the Bible and he has…I have to tell you Jim as I hear you teach Science is catching up with the word of Jesus.  Is that fair to say?

Jim:  Finally.

Sid:  But there are blockages.

Jim:  Yeah.

Sid:  I mean I know that God’s Word is true no matter what I ever see, no matter what I ever feel, no matter what I ever experience; let every man be a liar but God’s Word is true and I live and I die by that.  However, there are blockages, help us out.

Jim:  I use to read scriptures like the Bible talks about how the words would go inside of you. When I was in my Under Graduate work in theology I would go and talk to my teachers about this and really they would just give you some kind of abstract and almost mystical answer which really meant they didn’t know the real answer.  And as science caught up with the Bible we started realizing that literally those things are true words that we hear that hurt us and cause pain in our lives have the capacity to literally go into us and create what we now know to be cellular memories. Literally imprinting the feelings, emotions and hurts that we have when we hear those words literally imprinting those into the memories of our cells and in to the sense of ourselves.

Sid:  But wait a second, when you are born again the Bible says that you become a new creation so why should we have to deal with those feeling and emotions that are imprinted into our very cells, they should all be gone.

Jim:  You know, ideally that would be how we would initially respond to that. But it was really interesting the Apostle Paul told us that even though we’re believers we need to put off the old man and put on the new man.  Through looking at many of those types of scriptures what we come to realize even though we’re born again, even though our spirit has been made new, literally we hold on to some things from our past even though we’re forgiven.  Now we could have been delivered from it if we really believed that we were a new creation it we had been nurtured in that from the very beginning, no telling where we could have gone.  But there are many things from our past that we either hold on to, or we revive even after we’ve been born again.  And so this is why Paul says now when you realize that you are holding on to any aspect of who you are outside of Jesus, who you were outside of Jesus, the moment you realize that you need to put that off and you need to put on the new man which is created in the likeness of Jesus.

Sid:  Jim I’m reminded of a woman I interviewed, Joan Hunter and she had scientific data that said that people that literally had organ transplants an amazing thing occurred; some of the memories of the people that took the organ from, the people that it was transplanted to had some similar memories.  Can you explain that?

Jim:  Right, there was actually a landmark murder case where a young girl was murdered her heart was transplanted into another child and that child began to have a recurring dream of someone killing her.  And so it all started after the transplants so they ultimately tracked it down, found out where the heart had come from and found out that the child had been murdered, and from the description that the child who received the heart, from the description that he gave of the person in his dream they found and convicted this person who had murdered the young girl who’s heart had been donated.  You see anything that we experience that’s very powerful, that’s very emotional it has the potential to be imprinted into the memory of our cell.  Now every single cell in our body knows every single thing about us and actually has an imprint of all the information of our entire being.

Sid:  Now, how far back does this go, does it go to in the womb?

Jim:  You know actually the Bible says, and this is one of those scriptures miss understand, the Bible says that iniquity, and iniquity is lawlessness, iniquity can be visited to the third and fourth generation.  We realize now and again science verifies this that if about three generations of a family experience some strong emotion or for an example a study was done that it takes about three generations of a family living in poverty by the fourth generation the children come out of the womb hard wired to have a tendency towards those beliefs and towards those emotions.  Now that’s not God making happen because God said that “The teeth of the children can’t be set on edge for the sins of the parents.”   It’s not God punishing the kids, it’s God warning the parents that when we begin to bring things into our life that are destructive it literally creates the potential to be carried forward for generations until ultimately that fourth generation comes into the world.

Sid:  Okay, that begs a question, doctors always ask “Do your mother, do your father have diabetes?  Did they have heart trouble?” They are trying to find this pattern because doctors have found if your parents had something there’s a high likelihood you’ll have something, it’s in your genes.  What do you say about that?

Jim:  You know that’s a half truth, the sad thing though is that doctors don’t realize what we know from the Bible. We know from the Bible, and from cutting edge biology, we know that the heart is the master controller of all of the cells of the body.  And so doctors think that, they don’t think this so much now, but for years they have thought that your genes were programmed a certain way you just came into the world, you were stuck with it not matter what.  But we know that if you believe a truth in your heart it will reprogram your genes and it can change any disease that’s being carried forward through your DNA.

Sid:  Okay but explain to me there is something I don’t quite understand.  Let’s suppose let’s take your case I know that you had several generations of people that night have been bootleggers.

Jim:  Right.

Sid:  How many generations, did you have?

Jim:  Man, I don’t even know how far it goes back I just know that on my father’s side of the family that was a…it’s really interesting, on my father’s side of the family there were, there was extreme alcoholism, there was extreme violence, there was extreme sin and extreme religion.

Sid:  So was it in your genes, or was it as you say trapped in your cells?

Jim:  Well, really that gets down to one and the same thing because ultimately every cell is being programmed you know by your genes.

Sid:  But is that actually passing on from generation to generation after three generations of this?

Jim:  Yes it is actually, and that’s why people come into the world.  You look at how the world is progressing…

Sid:  You know what the more that I understand the more I can’t comprehend the mercy of God. We humans are so messed up I don’t know how anyone functions.

Jim:  You know I’m exactly the same way I get overwhelmed with mercy of God when I realize how we are and what we are struggling with, but the amazing thing is and this is the thing I always go back to.  When we are willing to believe in our heart, not just our mind, but when we are willing to believe in our heart the truths about what God did through Jesus we could have a transformation of where literally the cells of our body change.  You know when I got saved…

Sid:  That’s pretty powerful I think that you need to say that again.  You’re saying the cells of our body actually can change, as a doctor you are saying this.

Jim:  Yes, as a doctor as all of these years of medical research, as working with people in a clinic.  And I had a clinic for a number of years, working with people in a clinical setting. I saw people change things that doctors had told them they would never get over it, they would never get beyond it.  And the real truth is, there is nothing beyond the possibility of change if we’re willing to believe the truth in our hearts about who we are heart about who we are in Jesus and what He did through it; and of course His death, burial and resurrection.

Sid:  I think right now I want to hear an actual story of someone that changed and what they did to change.

Jim:  Well, let me give you two quick stores, one let me just share a little bit of my own story.  You know I was born with this congenital kidney disease.  I had had spinal meningitis until the blood came out the pours of my skin and I was given up for dead.  But the time I got saved I had liver problems, I had…

Sid:  I’ll tell you what let’s hold that thought because we’re out of time right now.

Sid:  I can tell you that I want everyone everywhere to read the updated version of John McTernan new book “As America has done to Israel” because this documents every single time the United States of America has tried to divide the land of Israel, has done something anti-Jewish curses literally, or as John McTernan calls them warning judgments have occurred.  However, John what was the date that you heard the voice of God say to you “I have broken the back of America.”

John:  September 21, 2008 that’s when I heard the Lord’s voice.

Sid:  Repeat exactly what He said to you.

John:  He said Sid, “I have broken the back of America,” and it had to do about the economy.

Sid:  Well, you pin point I mean it’s so phenomenal of exact dates that things happen and what they trigger as far as judgments to America. For instance on July 16, 2007 what occurred?

John:  Sid, on previous we’ve covered how the curses began to hit America because of President Bush, Sr. speech on October 30, 1991.  And Sid I believe we crossed the red line with the Lord with in from the warnings to the destructive judgments after his speech that President Bush, Jr. made as you mentioned on July 16^th 2007.  And Sid as you know, I follow events daily about what Israel, Jerusalem, the United States what in relation to Israel and Jerusalem.  And this speech that the President gave on July 16, 2007 kind of caught me flat footed Sid because things had been very quiet the previous months from the President there was very little activity and virtually, as far as I could recall no activity regarding Israel and dividing the land.  And all of a sudden on July 16, he gives this speech and when I heard this speech Sid it put like the hair on the back of my head there was this like dread hit me and I believe Sid that was the line, that was the red line that was crossed with the Lord.  And let me just quote a little bit from this speech, it was kind of a lengthy speech and this was what he says, this is what the President says.  “More than five years ago I became the first American to call for the creation of a Palestinian State,” that in of itself Sid is nasty.  “In the Rose Garden I said of the Palestinian should not live in poverty occupation, I said that the Israelis’ should not have to live in terror and violence, I laid out a new vision for the future, two Democratic States, Israel and Palestine living side by side in peace and security.”

Sid:  He really wants this to be his legacy.

John:  Yes Sid, he does, he does!  And Sid, notice he uses the word “occupation.”   To him the Israelis’ in East Jerusalem or in the West Bank which in the Bible is Judea and Samaria, and the mountains of Israel. He calls it “occupation.”  Now Sid it gets worse, it said “They must be sure that Israel is secure and then he says, they guarantee that the Palestinian State is viable and contiguous.”  Sid I think that it’s about thirty forty miles that separates because Gaza from the West Bank, you know Gaza which is under control of Hamas.

Sid:  Right.

John:  When he talks about antiques state he’s talking about a land bridge from Gaza to the West Bank, in effect of dividing Israel into two sections.  Isn’t that amazing?

Sid:  It is so amazing in light of what God’s Word says in Joel chapter 3.  I will judge nations for one sin.  You know nations are judged for the sins of abortion, they’re judged for the sin of homosexuality, we know this.  But God says that there is one sin that literally is going to be the tipping point, and He specifically says in Joel chapter 3, “For dividing up My land.”

John:   And Sid, it goes without saying, but Jerusalem is part of that land and we know what the scriptures says about Jerusalem Sid, it’s going to be a burdensome stone for all nations.  So you’ve got, I look at it as sort of compounding, it’s horrific according to the Word of God to attempt to divide the land of Israel.  But it’s compounded when you interfere with Jerusalem.  This is the President says, “And ultimately would lead to a final peace in the Middle East a permanent end to the conflict an agreement on all issues including refugees.”  And here’s the word Sid, “In Jerusalem,” and when I heard that, when I heard the President say, “A final agreement about Jerusalem.”  It like took my breath away Sid.  And then he went on in his speech the President says that “Israel’s future,” and I’m quoting directly from it.  “Israel’s future lies in developing areas like the Negev and Galilee and not continuing occupation on the West Bank.”

Sid:  So what a judgment by even using the word “occupation.”

John:  Yeah, but here he’s telling the Israelis forget about the West Bank, forget about Judea and Samaria and the mountains of Israel and look to the Negev and the Galilee

Sid:  Okay, paint me a picture if this policy continues in the United States of America, and if there is not real repentance by Americans over the sins, the three that we’ve mentioned; abortion, homosexuality and dividing up the land of Israel.

John:  Sid I don’t know how far down will go, but we will not be a world power, we will not have the freedoms and the blessings that we’ve had had here for centuries that will all be taken away from us.  And Sid America, I believe that America is going to be a horrible place of live because the curse is on us Sid right now it’s not something in the future because we have violated all the principals of God’s word.

Sid:  Why is God so concerned about the nation of Israel and the Jewish people?

John:  Well Sid He has a Covenant with the nation of Israel and we discussed that on an earlier show and His Name is attached to that Covenant.  He’s the Holy God of Israel Sid.  And in fact when you quoted from the Prophet Joel chapter 3 verse 2 He calls Israel “My land.”  That’s how identified He is Sid and He has a prophetic plan for that nation.  And that prophetic plan involves Jerusalem, it involves the integrity of the nation of Israel, not a Palestinian state, but it involves the nation of Israel as a whole.  And we know in the prophetic word when we look at chapters like Ezekiel chapters 36, Sid, and 37, 38, and 39. How important it is for the nation of Israel to be an integrity nation, and Jerusalem the Capital.  And ultimately Sid, ultimately it’s leading to the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ because we know that He’s going to return to Jerusalem.  So it’s very serious to interfere with His prophetic plan Sid.  America has been greatly blessed by Him, by the Lord, we’ve honored His word, and we have been a blessing to the Jewish people.

Sid:  I’m amazed at some of the information that you have in your updated book “As America has done to Israel” about even the American Church was involved in the creation of Israel.  Most Christians aren’t aware of that.  And also what a blessing the United States of America  previously has been to Israel, during World War I and World War II.  And that’s exactly why we’ve been the most blessed country in the world.

John:  Exactly Sid, exactly and unfortunately we’ve turned against the Lord and Sid I know that we’re running out of time but I want your listeners with this.  That speech that I mentioned and of course there was more to the speech but I’m going to cut it short. That speech that President Bush made on July 16, 2007.

Sid:  Yes.

John:  Sid that was a Monday, on Thursday the stock market closed for the first time for the first time over 14,000 it closed 14,000.41 is what it closed.  The next day was July 20^th that is the day Sid that the subprime debacle hit the banks.  That’s the very day, so the President makes the speech on Monday about dividing the land in Jerusalem.  On Thursday the stock market reaches an all-time high, and on Friday the economy begins unraveling.  And Sid if you go from this day and you go back into the Spring in 2008 and you go back into 2007 you will trace the economic catastrophe that has hit America right back to July 20^th.   That’s when it started, I pin pointed the date, July 20, 2007 on July 16^th the President made the speech about “It’s time for Israel to forget about the West Bank, and it’s time to divide Jerusalem.”

Sid:  Well your book absolutely pin points all of these things and has history very few Christians ever read.

Sid:  My guest is red hot for the Messiah. He died on the operating table, brain surgery. He had an encounter with God in heaven that is the most amazing encounter, the most incredible encounter.  He literally when he talks about it he relives it and his wife has to jump in because when he came back he had amnesia for ten years, yet he had the scripture in his heart. That experience was in his heart although he had amnesia he knew everything that he had known previously about scripture, he knew everything about his experience in heaven.  And people were praying for him to come back to life or live. Ron in heaven you actually heard someone praying for you.  Tell me about that.

Ron:  Yes, I did and I can quote his prayer to you.  It’s a Baptist friend of ours in a city a good ways off, and when I got back to Lufkin I said I can remember everybody praying for me. They had just started recording their messages on tape.  And I told Mabry I said, “I heard every word of your prayer for me and I can quote your prayer for you.”  I quoted his payer perfectly, they had tapes of it and when we left there we both had, even myself had chill bumps, bumps all over our body because I had proof, or evidence for me.

Sid:  That’s amazing evidence that here you are dead from a medical view point in heaven and you hear a prayer, come back to life and tell the person, word for word, what the prayer was. They actually had that prayer on tape from the prayer meeting?

Ron:  On tape, I mean I think the second Sunday to tape the messages and that Sunday this man had gone up to the pulpit to pray for me, Glenda had called them on that day and said, “Please remember Ron in prayer.”  And the timing was just uncanny because they just started recording the prayers.

Sid:  There is such a meaningful chapter Ron and Glenda Pettey, it’s the title is “Tiny Members.”  Tell me about that.

Ron:  I saw entering in heaven children beyond numbers, almost like grains of sand on the sea, it’s so many and some were entering in through Jesus themselves, some were carrying, it looked like globs. When the Lord allowed my vision to be focused on the palms of their hands I realized that it was miniature adults, maybe physicians, I don’t know, just different kinds of adults, but they’re all very distinguishable.

Glenda:  When Ron first saw the children carrying something he was very puzzled what is in their hand, what are they carrying?  At first glance it looked like just a blob; there are no words to describe that blob.  And then the Lord revealed a vision to Ron to where he could actually see it was a veil was lifted to see what was in the palm of their hand and it was as if it were a miniature adult.  And the adult was dressed in it’s kind of a career suit, it was if some looked like nurses, doctors, lawyers, whatever they would have been and then maybe a teacher.  And then when Ron looked again it went back to that blob so he just had a brief vision that these were actual people, that these were infants or actually embryos maybe that were being carried into heaven.

Sid:   And actually what he could see is what their destiny had been on earth that was stopped by an abortion.

Ron:  Yes, exactly.

Glenda:  And then as they entered heaven Ron realizes that Jesus was calling each one by their name, and it was a new name, it wasn’t a name he could recognize as an English name necessarily, but a new name.

Ron:  It wasn’t like Frank or Jim or something like that, it was a different Hebrew name.

Glenda:  It may have been Hebrew to Ron, we’re not sure.

Ron:  I’m not sure but it was a different type of name, and Jesus was calling each one by their name.

Glenda:  Well, it confirmed what we already knew that every child enters heaven, children are in heaven.  And innocent children before the age of accountability are definitely in entering heaven.

Sid:  You know as you share that vision with me I just think of the millions of babies that have been aborted that had such godly destinies that this earth has been robbed of.

Ron:  That’s right, that’s right. For me to talk about it it’s very discouraging, very disheartening to know there’s children up there that were aborted, or maybe it was just simply a protective agent that the woman took before she had sex with a man.

Glenda:  Oh, okay.

Ron:  Maybe that soon, but their destiny was stolen and God said, “He would control the womb.”  So we got to take Him at his word.

Sid:  Tell me about hearing your son’s voice, your son died as a stillborn, tell me about that experience.

Glenda:  Right, our second child was stillborn at thirty weeks. As Ron was still there on that check in table and that foyer area of heaven he began to hear children voices, and there were a number of children playing like in a stream or a stream of water and one child’s voice was drawn out above the others. Ron just intuitively knew that it was our son Jason.  And he moved to be nearer to where the voice was coming from.  He couldn’t see him but he could just hear it and then a very large angel stood just between and the wall or the barrier there and held out his hand right in your face.

Ron:  He put his hand over my face, and said, you’ve come close enough, he’s fine and the angel said, “He’s fine.”  So he knew exactly what I was thinking and he said, “Move back.”  So I went back to the head table, or whatever it was, the check in table.  I’m sorry to use such earthly terms, but I don’t have any other terms.

Glenda:  Some years later one of our children said, “Daddy, how old did he sound?”  Did he sound like an infant or a toddler, how did he sound?”  And Ron knew, he said “He sounded like a three year old.  And he would have been exactly three years old.

Sid:  So the children become adults in heaven.

Ron:  Yes, they grow and mature just as they would here on earth except in a pure environment.

Sid:  Tell me about that person that just turned around and starred at you and then what the Lord told you about that person that you had never seen this person before.

Ron:  Yes, that was, I didn’t know the person but we made eye contact in a line that was going through Jesus getting into heaven.

Sid:  And that’s an interesting concept, it’s Jesus is really the door that you go through to get into heaven.

Ron:  That’s right. He is the door there is no other way but Him. This young man passed by me and for some reason we made eye contact.  And he just sort of smilingly said, I made it, I made it, I made it and you didn’t, and you didn’t.  He was talking to me, we made contact or something like that.  And Jesus met him and engulfed him and took him into heaven.  Now this is stretching my knowledge of it because I remember walking up to Jesus and walking around him and like what happened to that young man that walked through Jesus.  I did not notice all the millions of other people that were going through and I walked around Jesus.  This is unbelievable, I walked around Jesus, and realized that he was in heaven and he had made it.

Glenda:  Then Jesus made eye contact with Ron and just said two words,

Ron “Remember this.”  And from that point on I did not know that I was going to come back to earth with zero memory.

Sid:  And when he came back to earth for ten years he had amnesia, and again the only thing he knew was his experience in heaven and scripture.  Then how many years later did you go to that prayer meeting?

Ron:  Eleven years.

Glenda:  Eleven years later we were in a prayer meeting where we met this young man’s mother of all things, she had been invited to come from a town about an hour away and we had been studying a book, it was an ongoing study of Henry Blackaby’s, “Experiencing God.”  The ministers that were leading us through this asked us to pray for a young man, Scotty Henagan, and then when we came they said well, Scotty had died, he had kidney failure and had died that week and they would like to bring his mother.  Well, several weeks later she came to the meeting and after our prayer meeting Ron just asked to see if she had a picture of Scotty, now that we knew about her son.  And she said, “I normally don’t carry a picture, but I went back into my house and brought this.  And she had pulled out an 8 x 10 framed with glass and all picture of Scotty and the next thing I knew across the room Ron had dropped to his knees in front of her and he said, “That was the young man in heaven, that was the one I saw entering heaven.”

Sid:   So eleven years ago he saw this Scotty yet he hadn’t died yet because there is not time in heaven.  I mean when I read your book, heaven becomes so real I guess that’s why you gave it the title, “Heaven is Real” it literally has the atmosphere of heaven.

Sid:  My guest red hot is almost an understatement for him. His name is Dr. Vitaliy Fishberg.  I’m speaking to him at his home in Staten Island, New York; and Vitaliy you were born in Russia.  Is that Moldova?

Vitaliy:  Yes, Moldova.

Sid:  And your big goal in life was to be the best most recognized doctor in the world, tell me about that.

Vitaliy:  Ha-ha-ha I was very good Jewish boy; I was proud of myself to be a very intelligent, very wise and very gifted Jewish boy.  And my mother was very famous doctor in Moldova, and my grandfather was very famous scientist. So I decided in my mind to go through them and so I became medical student and I was the best student on the faculty, and I was highly favored in the eyes of most of the medical school professors. And I knew what I would become medical school professor, and I will win the Nobel Prize in medicine.  This was my goal, but the Lord Jesus, Yeshua, came to me; He invaded my life when I never heard about him even.

Sid:  As a matter of fact I want to understand this a bit because most of those that are listening to us probably don’t understand that although your parents are Jewish you probably didn’t have any relationship with God.  Did you have relationship or knowledge or even knowledge of even Judaism?

Vitaliy:  Actually received the most Jewish atheist; we was proud.

Sid:  That was hard for people to understand, but there’s too many of them; he was a Jewish atheist.

Vitaliy:  We was communist and actually we hated Jews.

Sid:  You hated Jews?

Vitaliy:  Actually many Jewish people in Russia they was Jewish, but they hate the Jewish people and when people asked you, “Are you Jewish?”  They said, no, I’m Russian.

Sid:  You know, I had that happen to me in a taxi in Moscow, I looked at the man face and I said, and I knew that he was Jewish.  So I said, “What is your religion?”  He said, “Russian.”  And I said, “No, what religion were your parents?”  And he said, “Jewish.”  I said, “No, you’re Jewish.”  He said, “No, I’m Russian.”

Vitaliy:  You know what Sid, the problem is most of Jewish people in Russia was so much persecuted because they are Jewish so they became how to much protected.  So they will tell you “I am not Jewish, I’m Russian.”

Sid:  Now speaking of being persecuted I want to take you back. The devil knew there was a call of God in your life.

Vitaliy:  Yeah.

Sid:  From even inception in your mother’s womb, tell me the experience that your mother had when she was pregnant with you.

Vitaliy:  Actually, mishpochah I want to tell something that Satan gets people that are coming by reveal over Lord in these last, over last days.  And I mean, I’m not only one, thousands and thousands of people are coming with a special mission you know.  So Satan wanted my mother to have abortion, these many times, but my mom was a good Jewish woman; she will never do abortion not because of her religion, but actually because of her education.  So many times my mom was afraid, one time she was in a car accident, another time somebody pushed her by accident, but all these moments actually my mother said she felt the supernatural hand was all the time protecting her.

Sid:  Now, how does an atheist put together a supernatural hand of God?

Vitaliy:  You know what it’s so funny, actually she you know did not believe in God before Mosha read your book, but I will tell about this a little bit later.  But she helped with power and literally when she was in car accident this supernatural hand was protecting her stomach, her womb you know and another time.  Oh, actually let me share with you before I read before my mother was to give birth this me was in hospital and where obstetrics department and it was very very difficult labor for many many hours.  And my mother became even like unconscience and at that moment she left her body, actually her soul left her body and she saw a man.  This man was clothed in rainbow, and she said that it was the most most handsome the beautiful man and this man was given her a baby.  And he told my mother that he will not die but you will birth to a baby, and in the hands of this man was baby boy, me.  You are special gift from God but also I was so special I have some my own issues and character as a Jewish boy you know.

Sid:  You know Mishpochah you don’t know the notes that I have in front of me of what a supernatural encounter Dr. Vitaliy Fishberg had.  But while you were in medical school in Russia you received a bible, tell me about that.

Vitaliy:  You know what, just give me one second ha-ha, I forget to tell one more detail and this will shock you beautiful, it will shock you beautifully.  Actually in the hospital where my mother was giving her birth it was huge rainbow and all the medical doctors in Yosus was shocked you know because we all was atheist.  We all were unbelievers, but we understood that something happened.

Sid:  That’s amazing that rainbow was inside the hospital building.

Vitaliy:  Okay, let’s go to medical school.

Sid:  No, no, no I just remembered I want to go back to some of the anti-Semitism you experienced.  There was a time when you were in high school where they were going to kill you because you’re professor was teaching anti-Semitism and they found a Jew and they wanted to kill him. Tell me about that.

Vitaliy:  Yes, you know what, in high school actually you know what, I don’t know how the situation was better but in the Soviet time folks many Jewish boys was killed in high schools.  Nobody was saying this in public, in newspapers, on TV, or radio but this was the truth.  So in high school we had one teacher who really evil possessed man; he hated Jewish people so much so he pushed many high school students and they tried to stone me to death.  And basically the way it was throwing out stones at me and I became unconscious, and I very clear saw the wounds.  Now you have to stand up because they will come and they will kill you, and I said, “I cannot stand up.”

Sid:  Now let me get this straight.  You’re being stoned to death, you’re almost unconscious you’re weak you’re laying down there and you hear a voice that says, “If you don’t stand up you’ll be stoned to death.”

Vitaliy:  Yes.

Sid:  But you can’t stand.

Vitaliy:  Yea.

Sid:  Because you’re too weak.

Vitaliy:  Yes, and so when I heard this voice and when I asked myself, I did not know about God at the time or anything. I asked myself thinking but it was my voice from my mind.  So when I asked this question “How could I stand up I don’t have any power,” immediately energy invaded me, it was the Spirit of God and I was able to stand up.  And we was continuing, to throw stones at me but it was something like a power force and we were not able to throw stones…

Sid:  Are you saying that when they would throw stones it would not hit you?

Vitaliy:  Yeah, when I stood up by faith it was not only a force it helped me to stand up, but also I was encircled with power force.

Sid:  My goodness, now that’s protection!

 

Sid:  My guest in the studio is Franklin Walden, and Franklin you said something you didn’t realize it that was just music to my ears, that God wanted to use you to reach Jewish people and I said, “I know why because when you’re under the anointing of God terrific miracles, creative miracles happen.”  And before we started this interview you said to me “I feel the presence of God.”  Tell me what you’re feeling.

Franklin:  I feel the anointing is so strong and it is moving now upon the people that have ear to hear what God is speaking to them to bring deliverance for the soul, mind or body; to deliver them totally out of the power of darkness.  Someone is being healed right now, they have a serious, serious stomach problem it is an infirmity.  It’s like a demon spirit and it’s leaving and it will take about two days for them to empty all that poison out of his stomach and they’ll be free.  Someone else is deaf in their left ear and God has just opened it, hallelujah!

Sid:  I love it when God speaks that way, now how much doubt that you have that people are going to be healed from what you said?

Franklin:  I have no doubt.

Sid:  One hundred percent.

Franklin:  One hundred percent.

Sid:  Is that what happens when you hear Words like that?

Franklin:  Oh Yeah.

Sid:  That’s the way it’s supposed to be because the words are coming from God Himself, God’s not a man that He should lie.

Franklin:  If I couldn’t pray the prayer of faith I wouldn’t pray if I didn’t believe God hadn’t spoken I wouldn’t speak.

Sid:  What would you tell someone that is listening to us right now that has prayed, had people pray for them and they haven’t received from God, what would say to them and they’re getting a little discouraged as a matter of fact.

Franklin:  First they got to accept Isaiah 53 and accept it that Jesus Christ is the eternal Lamb that was slain before the foundation of the world.  Everything that God prepared, when they do that it’s in the mind of the Father they’re already healed and hang on to that and say “That’s mine and don’t ever bat an eye of doubt just say “I am healed.””

Sid:  No matter what happens?

Franklin:  No matter.

Sid:  No matter what they feel like?

Franklin:  No matter what you feel like, no matter what your five senses tells you, don’t listen to them, listen to God’s voice over your five senses.

Sid:  Tell me about the time the Angel of the Lord appeared with lights in this congregation and wherever the light appeared people got healed.

Franklin:  That happened in Old Tabernacle where we were having a camp meeting, I had been out in the woods praying all afternoon and the anointing was really strong because you see they came from everywhere.  I stepped to the platform and they always brought me on with all that believed and …

Sid:  You stole that from Kathryn Kuhlman or did she steal that from you?

Franklin:  No, I just got it, I don’t know where…

Sid:  Okay, the same Spirit.

Franklin:  That’s right, and as I did I saw the light and I couldn’t preach, I just had to point out one, one, one…

Sid:  Was it like a tiny little flashlight or…

Franklin:  It was like a ball of fire like, I got a picture of it, I should have brought it.

Sid:  And so this like fire would land on someone and…

Franklin:  Right over the head.

Sid:  And when it would land on someone did you say anything or did they just get healed or what happened?

Franklin:  You got it, that’s all I said, “You got it,” whatever it was.  And let me tell you something real strange.  A few days ago I met one of the ladies and this was years ago and she was a lady that I tell about, the last one.  She was a Smith and she was sitting on the front row and it looked like she was pregnant, and when that light got to her at thirty seven, the tumor went away, nine pound tumor her skirt almost fell of her.

Sid:  You know what I believe Franklin; I believe that that’s almost like a foretaste of what is going to be happening with this young generation that God’s raising up right now, that this will not be the abnormal this will be the norm, that’s what I believe.

Franklin:  Recently God showed me something; we take and reach out into the world to come with a supernatural.  By faith we bring that supernatural back to the natural man to bring him into a place to where he can understand what God is doing.  And when you do that you get a supernatural miracle.  So you reach out by faith and you have to bring the supernatural to the natural.

Sid:  So people that are listening to us right now that want a healing, can they do what you’re saying and telling; be a coach right now, coach us on how to do it, I’m ready. to take my hand now and pull this from the invisible world into the natural.

Franklin:  Just reach out there, by faith, take it, pull it back and say “That mine.”

Sid:  Mine, mine, mine,

Franklin:  That’s mine.

Sid:  As Kathy Walters likes to say.

Franklin:  I got it, I’m going to hold on to it, I’m not going to let it go.  Devil, you have been defeated, I’m the winner, you’re the loser Hallelujah.

Sid:  You really do that, you really say those things.  What about the time you were told that you had three hours to live?

Franklin:   Well, the doctor come in and he was a Catholic man and he was trying to prepare me to die and that night at 3:00 after he left, that night at 3:00 I had the awfulest pain in my stomach that I’ve ever had in my life.  And I never have suffered much pain like that and I told my wife I said, “Honey, she was in the room with me, and I said “Give me your hand, don’t call the nurse, let’s just let this be something between you and I, I want you to hold my hand as I go  and I thought I died.  And she didn’t call the nurse and I didn’t know nothing for three hours later, I come back to my wife praying for me all the time.  I thank God for a wife forty-seven years that prays such as David, but that’s what I saw this place I thought was heaven and I thought.”Oh, this is heaven and the Lord said, “No, this is not heaven, this is what I show you like the thousand year millennial reign of Christ is going to be like.”  I wouldn’t miss it for anything, oh the…

Sid:   Oh, what did you experience, what did you feel?

Franklin:  Oh, it was so peaceful, nothing, there is no sense of death, there’s no sense of any harm, there’s no sense of anything except the presence of God.

Sid:  That must have been what it was like for Adam and Eve before they fell.

Franklin:  I believe that.

Sid:   So you experienced… and that’s for all of us, all of us that make Jesus our Lord and Savior that is.

Franklin:  The next morning the doctor came in and here’s what he said, he said, “God shut the heaven up.”  First words he said “You’re not going to leave; you’re not going to die.”  Said, “God spoke to him that all the people that I prayed for was out praying for me and they was asking to give me back to them.”  And I said, “To some that are being, that are coming back to the Lord, the prodigals.”  “They got saved in your ministry, they was not able to pray for you, they just got right and their praying for you; you’re getting people saved now.”  And he said, “That’s what’s doing it.”

Sid:  In other words, your doctor had a prophecy that all of these people that were praying for you, whereas he gave you a death sentence three hours to live, how did he know that you were going to live, did he take a test or how did he realize?

Franklin:  Because God spoke to him.

Sid:   So, in other words, he didn’t say that it was because of the test, he just knew life the way you know when people are sick and they are going to be healed.

Franklin:  That’s right.

Sid:  Do you believe everyone can be healed of every condition if they’ll believe?

Franklin:  If they’ll believe yes, because you know what, most people don’t understand.  I hear, I’m not worthy, most of the people that Jesus healed they were not real followers of the law either, they were sinners, read it. And today, even in Kathryn Kulman’s meeting it was the same way.  In my meeting…

Sid:  You know I was in Kathryn Kulman’s meetings and I used to notice that and wonder why and I’ve had that experience myself where the non-believer’s get healed before the believers, why, that shouldn’t be why?

Franklin:  Well, the believers look like, they feel like God owes them something sometimes.  Not a true believer but just a part-time believer I guess you’d say.  But it happens in my meeting; I’ve had the worst sinner get healed of incurable disease and I see one over here that have been serving God twenty years and couldn’t even get a miracle.

Sid:  Because they’re believing but their really in unbelief and don’t even realize it.

Franklin:  Well…

Sid:  Well, I’ll tell you what we’re running out of time right now.

Sid:  Have you noticed all the things going on on planet earth that seem to be fulfillment to Bible prophecy?  Well, there’s so many things going on that aren’t in the news and that why I have L.A. Marzulli on because he has done documentive, I mean extremely competent reputable people of these events that are going on worldwide and he put together a three DVD set called “Watchers” in which he covers, one covers the UFOs are they real, what are their purposes, what’s the scientific evidence.  The second DVD’s “Signs in the Heaven and the Earth and Watchers.”  Third DVD “Fingerprints of the Supernatural” there are so many areas that I want, I’m frustrated L.A. there are so many areas that I want to talk to you about; like the magnetic fields that are changing on the earth.  And things that are unexplainable like the noises and you even have them on the DVD the earthquake in Washington, DC, but let’s talk about these Torah codes.  A number of years ago I investigated them and the way they develop them is that they had equal distance letter sequence like every seventh letter they would write down and it would form a world and then it would form a message.  And then they found that many of the events in the past were hidden in the Bible and they called it Bible codes.  Now L.A. I’ve often wondered with a book as big as the Bible maybe some of this is coincidental have they ever taken a big book like say, War and Peace and done the same thing and found predictions in them?

L.A:  Oh yeah, they’ve taken Moby Dick for instance and have done the same type of a thing and the skeptics would say, “Hey look” we can get messages.  But what’s interesting with the Rabbis and we sat down with Rabbi Gladerson, Professor Harrolick, Rabbi Orliorips whose really the inventor of the Torah Codes, my good friend and co-producer Richard Shaw and I have interviewed these men and what’s amazing is we see a very tight matrix of codes sometimes over the plain text, I’ll give you one which is startling.  Osama Ben Laden, cursed is he; 3,000 9/11 Twin Towers; 3,000 dead, and that’s over the plain text where it says where the ground opens up with Nathan and Moses coming down from the mountain and ground opens up and swallows the children of Israel, some of the children of Israel, and in the plain text 3,000 died that day.

Sid:  So it’s kind of like a double thing in the code but it’s on the story that’s related to the code.  Yes, and so none of that is in any other books obviously.

L.A:  Yes, and you don’t find this type of information on let’s say Moby Dick or in War and Peace, or other tones.

Sid:  Tell, me about some things you’ve found that were predicted, they found them in the codes before the events occurred.

L.A:  Well, one of the biggest ones was the assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Itzhak Rabin.  The codes were very detailed, very tight matrix, what I mean by that is that the key words were found in one portion of the Hebrew texts.  It was very clear and it was done of course well ahead of the actual event and unfortunately those in power didn’t heed the warning and the results were tragic.

Sid:  Let’s look into the future; what does the Bible codes have to say about Iran and their nuclear bombs?

L.A:  We have a very tight matrix, a Torah code that we did with the key words what were put in ahead of time.  Adam, Arab, Purim, Iran and Amalek.  And what’s interesting, all these words come up in a very tight matrix of letter, very tight matrix of letter.  And the odds of this happening are in literally 1 to the hundreds of thousands so this is not something; this is certainly something more than coincidence.  And what we see, what’s interesting is part of a swastika.  That Z shape Amalek and Amalek going down and Amalek to the right are creating what is part of a swastika or above that we see the word Adam.  Below that the word Iran, next to that Arab and other underneath that Purim, which is of course we know what happened with Esther you know thousands of years…

Sid:  That was the preconceived plan to destroy every Jewish person on the face of this earth that actually turned out the exact opposite and the people that perpetrated this they all died.

L.A:  That’s right.

Sid:  So that is pretty interesting, you know I interviewed a man that was a specialist in Bible codes and he did one with my name and it is unbelievable.  He knew my wife’s name, now you think that that’s unbelievable, let me explain this.  This was in the Torah code before I even was born, and she has the most unusual middle name I’ve never heard of anyone having that before.  Her middle name is Thurley and that was in the code.  It had It’s Supernatural, our television show.  I had two key employees at the time, those two key employees names were in my Torah code.  I mean, it is amazing.  But you know what’s even more amazing than the Torah code, it is the Bible prophecy.

L.A:  Yes.

Sid:  Tell me a couple ancient prophecies that will blow us out of the water.

L.A:  Well, the one that I’m looking at right now is the prophecy of Ezekiel, especially the prophecy found in Ezekiel 38.  Ezekiel lived about 2,600 years ago and he wrote prophecy with great specificity, for instance he outlines a group of nations that will come up against Israel in the latter days after they’ve been re-gathered from the four corners of the earth.  That didn’t happen until 1948.  The leading one is Gog, many Bible prophetic scholars would have you would look at Gog and Magog and put that as Russia or Turkey perhaps.  But what is alarming to me is that Russia is all over the Middle East Right now, in Syria and Iran; they’ve got their figure prints everywhere.  And what we see in my opinion is the formation of the Gog Magog war that the prophet Ezekiel wrote about 2,600 years ago with great specificity those nations listed.  And by the way Iran is the second nation right after Magog, Iran and it’s called Persia.  And of course we know that Iran was called Persia for thousands of years and only until the modern era was it changed to the name Iran.  Now that’s the second nation listed.  The strange valid bedfellows in that prophecy that come up against the land of unwalled villages; another dynamic in that prophecy which did not exist 2,600 years ago in the ancient world a land of un-walled villages is simply they did not exit.  You would build the highest walls you could to keep out invaders with the advent of the airplane and the beginning of the twentieth century all that changed and it became obsolete.  You didn’t build mortar fortified castles and modes and that type of a thing.  So Israel right now was a land dwelling in peace and safety for the most part.  And certainly with a land that is surrounded in the city by unwalled villages.  And I find it alarming what is happening in the Middle East right now as we speak with the unrest of the Arabs is a supernatural component behind spring.  All eyes are on Israel, Iran has threatened to wipe out Israel.  When we look at the unrest in Syria which ties us back into another prophecy Isaiah 17 which says specifically “Damascus has become a ruinous heap.”  We don’t know how Damascus is going to be destroyed but it wouldn’t be a stretch of anyone’s imagination to think that perhaps Assad would destroy his own Capital City or perhaps the rebels would destroy Damascus.  So the situation as I see it is charged, tenuous and tumultuous, I’ve never seen this pregnant before.

Sid:  Isn’t it amazing how the lands of the north that Ezekiel talks about the former Soviet Union is integral with all of these Arab uprisings that are going on.  They’re even supplying the scientist for the nuclear bombs in Iran.

L.A:  And what’s amazing about that is that alliance has never happened before and yet we’re seeing just like Biblical prophecy tells us would happen in the days before Messiah’s return now we’re starting to see all this form.  But unless you know the prophesy it means nothing to you; if you know the prophecy of Ezekiel 38 and you see these nations begin to collate and form sort of a loose confederacy then one can only wonder you know when this war is actually going to happen and if it is the fulfillment of Ezekiel 38 prophecy.

Sid:  Okay, I have a question for you, you are quite a student of the end-time Bible prophecy, that’s obvious to me, I am also.  I have interviewed people that say they absolutely see the United States in the Old Testament prophecies I have studied it and I don’t agree. I don’t see any mention of the United States as being one of the end-time players, what do you see?

L.A:  Well, we’re on the same page here Sid and there’s no, we didn’t discuss this earlier.  I write about this and talk about this and talk about this succinctly and I believe that the United States is taken out.  I blogged about this, the idea of an EMP, the Electric Magnetive Pulse Weapon which is basically a nuclear device set detonative about 200 miles over the central part of the United States.  If that happens, if an EMP would move us back preindustrial revolutionary times.  In other words, the car wouldn’t start, the toaster doesn’t work, the grids are down, your cell phone, iPhone, your computer, nothing works; we are in pre-industrial revolution time.  And I’m not making this stuff up, Newt Gingridge has even talked about it and other.

Sid:  You notice that someone like him gets blasted by the media when he says things like this?

L.A:  Oh, I think that it’s a real concern, I mean it’s a real concern and the Iranians have been experimenting and this is no secret either, Google it and do some homework on it.  The Iranians have been experimenting with a weapon that would, a rocket that goes about 200 miles into the atmosphere.  And this is a very easy scenario, they just take anyone of the oil barges which they have and they retrofit it so it now is a missile launcher and they park that baby down at the Gulf of Mexico and they fire the weapon.  It’s as simple as that, and then we are literally back in the Stone Age.  You know we are; people don’t understand if that happens the food that we have, the refrigeration, doesn’t work, you know the cars don’t start, the lights don’t go…

Sid:  You know you talk about so many amazing things documented, for instance the change in the moon, that was predicted in the Torah Codes that would occur in 2011.  You talk about the magnetic fields changing and that’s why these earthquakes and in fact, everything is changing in the atmosphere and you prove it.

Sid:  My guest is red hot for the Messiah, he’s Rabbi Jonathan Bernis. He’s the Executive Director of Jewish Voice Ministries International, and we’re talking about his brand new book it’s one that’s a must read for you it’s called “A Rabbi Looks at the Last Days.”  Jonathan you have a statement that has just been resounding in my ears especially in these times of perilous times that we’re living in especially in the United States of America, and that is best is yet to come.  What do you mean by that?

Jonathan:  Well Sid, I mean that oh the focus has been on the doom and gloom tribulation period where everything goes to hell in a hand basket.  Well, I believe that there’s times of tribulation coming, I believe that we’re about to see the greatest outpouring of the Spirit of God in the history of mankind.  That’s exciting for me, for followers of the Messiah, for true Christians we’re about to see the most traumatic Biblical experiences taking place in the history of the world, that exciting.  Why do I believe that?  I believe it because the Bible says that when the Jewish people rejected their Messiah it brought salvation to the Gentiles, there’s a connection, a parallel between what happens in the Church and what happens with Israel.  But the Bible says that “When they come back”, life from the dead.  What does that mean?  It means a supernatural outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the world, the Jewish people coming back to their Messiah being the key that unlocks this incredible outpouring that will be greater than the first century outpouring.  Again the greatest outpouring in the history of mankind, I’m excited about that Sid, I’m excited about the promise of the supernatural realm being released.  I am excited about fulfilling God’s destiny for my life; I’m excited about football stadiums being filled with people that are experiencing the transforming power of the Lord with healings, miracles, and resurrections.  We’ve seen it…

Sid:  Now, as you’re sharing that, you know that God is not going to be silent; He’s healing people right now!  Pains of all kinds are leaving, people with pain in their neck; if you’ll move your head you’ll see that the pain is gone.  People with back pains if you’ll just bed up and down, if you have a hip pain, jump; I mean jump do something faith without a corresponding action is dead and as you jump you’re going to jump right into your healing.  There are people with pains in their wrists and their arms; you are healed in Jesus name.  And Jonathan what’s your talking about this is my heart’s desire, it’s almost as if the Gentile Christians have a spiritual DNA, and Jewish believer in Jesus have a spiritual DNA and both are incomplete. But when the two come together it gives us what we’ve been praying for.

Jonathan:  Let me go one step further Sid, it’s not only coming together as One New Man, but it’s together fulfilling mandate to provoke the Jewish people to jealousy.  To seek after God in a greater dimension and to experience His presence in a greater dimension; I did not sign up and I know you did not either Sid for some vane religion to replace the Judaism that we experienced going to synagogue.  I signed up to have a living encounter with the living God and to see and experience His presence. That’s what I’m expecting to happen in greater measure than I’ve ever experienced and you and I have seen some great things.  I’ve seen God move powerfully in third world nations like India and Ethiopia, but the best is yet to come, we ain’t seen nothing yet Sid.

Sid:  Just whet our appetite tell me one miracle you observed with your eyes in Ethiopia.

Jonathan:  Goodness, there’s so many, let me just give you two, I can’t just give you one.  The first was, a deaf and dumb mute that came into our, into the Healing Room, into our counseling room in this medical clinic that we put on in Northern Ethiopia in the mountains.  And the elders of the community were all at the clinic, they knew this young man since childhood, they knew he couldn’t hear, that he couldn’t speak and he was supernaturally, his hearing was supernaturally restored in the prayer room enough so that I could stand behind him and whisper words and he would begin to repeat them.  And just like you’ve seen on television only this time it was in front of the community leaders that had watched this young man grow up, and to look at their faces of consternation, and shock, and confusion was unlike anything that I’ve ever experienced because this is exactly what happens in the Bible where you don’t have a transit communities but people that everyone knows and there’s no explanation.  So that was one that was undeniable and I then interviewed them.  “What do you think about this, what does this mean?”  And they were just all very confused and had to process it, another just this last year, the second one was that one of the leaders of the community that was in the clinic trying to keep people from going into the prayer room came in on the last day, ran into the prayer room prayed to receive the Lord and took a whole bunch of Bibles with him to hand out.  I met with him and found out that the night before Jesus had come to him in a dream and said, “I am the Messiah and I’ve sent these people and I want you to serve them and serve me.”  And he is now walking with the Lord, he’s an evangelist; I watched this man change in front of my eyes from being an adversary to the Gospel to giving his heart to the Lord and being an evangelist overnight.

Sid:  Now for those that are not that familiar with Ethiopian Jews, briefly explain why you went to Ethiopia.

Jonathan:  Well, there’s 10’s of thousands of Jews remaining in Ethiopia Sid that the Israeli government is not allowing to come home. The reason for that is that they’re identified as Falasha Mora.  Converts to Christianity sometime back in their past generations someone converted to Christianity most likely because of persecution, but they’re not real believers.  Israel has said we’ll consider taking you back but you need to live a Jewish life, and so they’ve been very afraid to have any encounter with people like us that are sharing the gospel. Yet they’re starving to death, they’re dying of malnutrition and disease, and so we’ve reached out to them and they’re responding because they have no choice. They’re between a rock and a hard place.  They’re persecuted as Jews in Ethiopia but rejected by the Israeli government and so we’ve been conducting these large medical clinics followed up with prayer rooms where we share the gospel and pray for their healings.  And so there’s a lot of resistance of the gospel simply out of fear, but the power of God is breaking through that fear and changing lives.

Sid:  Now, you have another chapter in your book talking about the Feasts of Israel and how they literally mirror the two comings of the Messiah explain.

Jonathan:  There’s six Feasts plus the Shabbat in the cycle of Leviticus 23; the cycle of the year for Israel in the calendar year.  The first three are connected with the first coming of the Messiah, the second three with His return.  So you have the Feast of Passover which of course was fulfilled by Jesus as the Passover Lamb who dies along with the other Passover Lambs as the sacrifice who sheds His own blood so that the angel of death might pass over us.  It’s followed by First Fruits which was the First Fruits of the harvest which Jesus fulfills by resurrecting from the dead as the first fruits of life from the dead just three days later.  And then the third part of that in the trilogy is Pentecost, or we know as Shavuot in Hebrew, which is the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the Church in fulfillment of what was the first of the wheat harvest, wheat being symbolic spiritually of souls coming into the Kingdom of God.  So you have the first great influx of souls on Pentecost, or Shavuot, fulfilling the first trilogy of feasts.  The second three Rosh Hashanah, or the Feasts of Trumpets, or Yom Kippur the Day of Atonement, and then Succot the final harvest are fulfilled when Jesus returns at the sound of the last trump, followed by the national repentance of Israel, Yom Kippur, which is so important to understand Jewish calendar Sid.  And ultimately the final gathering where He gather’s His people from the four corners of the earth fulfilling Succot or the Feast of Tabernacle.

Sid:  You know the Biblical Feasts are such graphic presentations of the First Coming of Jesus and the Return of Jesus that it’s got to be one of the most diabolical things in the world that it’s been taken away from the Church!

Jonathan:  Absolutely, these are prophetic signs that if you don’t understand you miss out.

Sid:  Now Jonathan on tomorrows broadcast another section of your book is “How to share in the Messiah.”  And there are a lot of good questions the Jewish people are asking that desire answers, and there are things that Jewish people, well for instance a lot of people don’t know this, but in several passages in the approved Jewish scriptures there is a change in the prophecy.  For instance Isaiah 7:14 says “A young woman will conceive and have a child and his name will be called “Emmanuel.”  Whereas in the Christian Bible it says a virgin, how come there’s a difference?

Jonathan:  Well, because if you look at the evolution of Rabbinic Judaism which is not the Judaism of the scriptures.  The Judaism of today is very different than the Judaism of the time of Jesus, but the Judaism that evolved over the last 2,000 years Sid has really been more reaction against Christianity than anything else.  And so you have the removal of key prophecies in Jewish literature that were clearly interpreted as being connected to the Messiah by the early Rabbis in the time of Jesus and before, again a Judaism that has reacted negatively to Christianity and removed any hints of the possibility that Jesus is the Messiah.

Sid:  But what would you say if someone said that’s not virgin, that says young woman in the Hebrew?

Jonathan:  Yeah, the word Alma and which was interpreted as virgin in the Septuagint, the Greek interpreted in 250 BC, 250 years before Christ ever came and now you have the Rabbis that say that’s a Christian interpretation, come on!