Sid: My guests are red are red are hot for the Messiah. Clarice and Ronnie Holden, I’m speaking to the by way of telephone at their home in Shallotte, NC. Ronnie you were addicted to drugs and alcohol, you had a restaurant business, and things were really in trouble. Why did you decide to go, FINALLY, to a rehabilitation center?

Ronnie: Basically because I knew I was going to die. I had tried so many things to get off the cocaine, I drank constantly, and I had tried so many times.

Sid: Were you a Christian?

Ronnie: No I wasn’t.

Sid: Why not?

Ronnie: That was the farthest thing from my mind. I thought I was really a strong person. The people who went to church I thought they were weak, and the church was a crutch to them…

Sid: Wwwwwwell your wife was a Christian didn’t that mean something to you?

Ronnie: I made fun of her going to church she went to a nondenominational church.

Sid: Clarice did you have any faith that your husband would one day get off of drugs and be red hot for Jesus? Did you believe for that?

Clarice: I certainly did Sid. I hung onto that faith that one day our home would be whole.

Sid: You told me you even had a prophecy that you hung onto. What was that prophecy?

Clarice: This guy gave me a word he said “The last 3 years has been really bad, but the next 3 years is going to be a living hell.” I just…

Sid: Oy vey, who would want a word like that (Laughing)?

Clarice: “But your husband will be on his deathbed. He will be alone and he will have a divine visitation from God, and your house will be saved.”

Sid: My goodness the presence of God is on you just repeating that prophecy. Okay, Ronnie you reached your wits end, you’re suicidal, you determine you’re gonna go into a rehab program. What happened next?

Ronnie: I went into rehab, and it took over 2 weeks for the treatment to get me off of cocaine. The prescription drugs I was taking had DT’s…

Sid: Now that had… I had never been on drugs fortunately, but I understand it is really hard to get off of cocaine.

Ronnie: It’s hard to get off of it, and it’s something you can’t do on your own. Even rehabs, they help people and people who don’t have God, if God doesn’t deliver them, it’s a struggle for them all their lives. Fortunately, you know I got down on my knees one night. I have already gone to AA…

Sid: But you weren’t a Christian what were you doing on your knees?

Ronnie: Well I had come to the end of my rope. I said “Well let me try this I tried everything else.” I bought all these books on religion on Zen; I had been so many places tried to change my life. I had made changes in what I did, my routine thinking it “I won’t go out, I won’t get out with these people, I won’t go do drugs tonight,” and I still did. I would Valium and different medicines to try and put me to bed so I would sleep and not go anywhere. I got where I would get up and wouldn’t be aware of it, and put my clothes on and leave home, and wake-up 2 or 3 days later somewhere else. I didn’t know which way to turn. One night I had been gone 2 or 3 days, and I remember the sun coming up, and I felt so bad. I said “I have to go home and face my wife.” I had an idea what to do, I said “I’m just gonna kill myself. There’s no way out of this, I’ll never get off of this.” I had seen this sign it was rehab one time, it just came to my mind. I went home after a long discussion with my wife I had decided to go to rehab because I knew I had a problem. So I went there, and after a couple of weeks of them trying to get me off of the drugs. My minds clear enough to start going to meetings at AA, Alcoholics Anonymous meetings. Start talking about a higher power, I remember thinking to myself “We’ll you know that’s not a far stretch to know that there’s someone smarter than I am. I was the dumbest person in the world; I thought I was the strongest; I just destroyed my life. I could be so far ahead of where I am now, and now you know I’m ready to kill myself. So I got down on my knees and I said “God if your real I’m gonna die. You’re the only hope that I have I’ve tried everything else, if you’re real I have got have some help, but you’ve got to show me something. I just can’t go on a word of what people tell me, or what I read. I’ve got to see something real to know that you’re in my life.” I prayed like for 3 days and nights, off and on that same prayer. February 17th this one night I woke up about 3:00 in the morning, and I’m not really sure how it happened, I remember looking up and the whole room was completely white, like clouds were in the room. This person was standing over the bed, and to me He looked like when I was a little boy I saw pictures of Jesus He had His robe on. He had a blue robe with a white belt tied around Him. His hands were sticking out towards me, and He just looked at me and it was over with. I prayed and I went back to sleep for an hour or two. I woke up and I didn’t know what was going on. I went outside, I went through the door, I saw a tree and it was like I had never seen anything before. The trees looked different everything looked different around me. I started thinking about cocaine, about drugs. I got sick, I got nauseated, and I wanted to throw up. God delivered me of it right then of the alcohol and the drugs.

Sid: Clarice tell me what it was like when your husband told you for the first time what had happened to him.

Clarice: Well I got a call from him, and he was not able to call me. He said “I want you to bring me a Bible.” I said “A Bible?” He did, he said “I need to talk to you.” So I went down that weekend, and I took him a Bible. He told me what happened. I was just blown away I just could not believe that’s just how it happened. I still hung onto that prophecy that I had. To me at that time when I received it it was so far out there that I didn’t ever see how it could come to pass because my husband would not speak to a Christian. He did not want to be around them, and he did not go to church. I said “God how are you going to save him?” He did, He did just what He said He would do. He had a divine visitation from God. It miraculously just changed his life, and mine as well.

Sid: Well you were just getting by because you were doing most of the work in the restaurant from what he told me. It seems as though the flood-gates of heaven opened over both of you, and you were blessed in everything you touched, especially in the business arena. What was going on

Clarice: It was as dry as it could be. You know when Ronnie got his head straight, and we got our life together straight, and we started going to church together, and listening to the word of God. Getting ahold of the word, where we need to tithe, and we started doing that. A guy came to our church, I never forgot this, and he told us “You pray for God to give you ideas in business.” Ronnie caught hold of that word and he just started praying for ideas. He just started changing things in the restaurant, and it just started changing overnight. It was wonderful and it has been good ever since.

Sid: According to my notes it was better than wonderful, you had 2 yachts, 4 planes, an estate, your business was doing wonderful. Clarice you even opened up a boutique

Clarice: I did, and we did that in 85. We built a shopping center, and I opened up a boutique and God’s blessed us there.

Sid: And everything is going so fantastic Ronnie, but then I’m going to speed you forward a bit to May 8, 2000. What was going on in your life Ronnie?

Ronnie: Well I was at the restaurant it was on Sunday night the year 2000, and we had closed. I had started home and my home was like 12 miles from the restaurant. My wife was in New York, she had gone on a buying trip for the clothing store. I drove through an intersection and I don’t remember what happened. They told me this drunk driver was going like 80 mph, and he ran through a stop sign and hit me in the driver’s door. He hit me with such force that he broke the seatbelt from the back of the seat and threw me the passenger window. The car rolled, it was an SUV, and it rolled over and stopped on its side right before it rolled over on top of me. My neck was broken, my leg was crushed…

Sid: It sounds to me like it was a miracle that it didn’t roll on top of you, and that would’ve been the end of Ronnie.

Ronnie: Absolutely it was.

Sid: What stopped that car from rolling over on you?

Ronnie: Well I imagine it was the angels stopping it.

Sid: Well that it was I would believe too. Clarice what did the doctor say about your husband, what chance did he of surviving?

Clarice: Well at the beginning he had a fairly good chance because they didn’t know everything that was wrong with him because him; yes he did have his neck broken in 2 places, and he had all the damage to his stomach and liver, and spleen and all of that. His leg was broken in 15 places, but they thought that he would survive it. Then after 7 days of being in the hospital Ronnie got progressively worse. They said to me you know he got irrational. I would be talking to him, and he would make good sense then all of a sudden he would not make any sense. Finally I said “There is something wrong, somebody has got to do something.” It was Mother’s day Sunday morning, and I had dosed very early that morning, and I just woke up and Ronnie is out of the bed with this halo on and he is going home. I knew something terribly was wrong, so I immediately called the nurse and I said “You have to get the doctor in here, something is wrong.” They wanted to tell me Ronnie had brain damage, but I would not accept that. They finally got a doctor there and he came in and I said “Somebody’s got to an MRI, a CAT scan or something.” They said “Well we did that,” but they finally did another one. When they did the doctor comes running down the hall, he says “We’ve got an emergency; we’ve got to operate on him right now. He has a crack in his intestines and he is septic. His whole body is being poisoned and he will not make it unless we do the surgery.

Sid: Listen the results were even worse after the surgery.

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to have the same passion for the Lord that my guests have. My guests are prophetic, and they have an anointing that others can move in the prophetic. Ben and Brenda Peters, I’m speaking to them at their home in South Beloit, IL. I have Brenda on the telephone, and Brenda you move in such accurate and wonderful gifts of words of knowledge, and prophecy. I want to find out what you feel… your husband told me what his turning point was, but your turning point it appears to me was when you spent time going to one place every day for a couple of hours. If I remember right you said you were just soaking and worshipping in the presence of beautiful worship music, and just being still before God. Being still is that important?

Brenda: That’s very important because all of us have backgrounds where we have issues of fear, panic attacks; often times people have fear of being in front of the public. And God was asking me to stand in front of people and encourage them with His heart. I knew that I had to hear from the heart of God, it couldn’t be everything that I had learned and studied about the Bible. It had to be the heart of God because people know the difference. So…

Sid: Now what would you say to someone that says “Well for the last year I’ve been spending an hour, or half hour everyday being still before God just soaking in His presence, and He hasn’t told me anything. Should I just quit?”

Brenda: No you should begin to ask Him, ask Him for a word every time you come in front of a person. You should begin to say “God what do you want to say to this person?” We often times just don’t give Him the opportunity to speak and we’re His vessels that He wants to speak through. So it’s actually an opportunity every time you meet somebody; walking on the streets everywhere you go. Say God “What do you want to say to this…”

Sid: Does it have something to do with the scripture that says “You have not because you ask not?”

Brenda: Definitely.

Sid: Tell me some experiences that you’ve had as a result of spending quality time with the Lord.

Brenda: I’d like to backup first. Before we started full-time in the prophetic and that was… I have a daughter at that time who was 16. She was actually very sick having an asthmatic attack. We brought her home, and when she got home her lungs collapsed. As we were getting her out to the car preparing to race to the hospital I began to call out the prophetic. The Holy Spirit began to remind me of prophetic words that had been spoken into her life over the years, and I began to speak those words into her life in between resuscitating her. She also had a cardiac arrest; we didn’t get to the aide car for about 10 minutes, but the prophetic words were calling down from Heaven her destiny refusing the death experience that was taking place. She was gone by the time we got her to the hospital, but God sent her back as I was crying out to Him and praying. That triggered a new level of understanding in my heart that if I would go after more of the presence of God if I would call down and use the authority that was given to me as his daughter that I could bring to life others in different ways as well.

Sid: I would like you to put your husband Ben back on for a moment.This is Ben Peters and Ben I’m wondering if you do the same thing your wife does and that is spend quality time, I know that you did this in college, but do you still spend time in God’s presence and tell me about it.

Ben: We try to live in His presence and give the moments that God gives us like most people…

Sid: Out of curiosity is it possible to live in that tangible presence 24-7?Is it possible?

Ben: Oh yes, oh yes He’s always there we just…

Sid: Well I know He’s there, but I know when I consciously or sometimes His Spirit will come on me but like for instance when I speak I could be sick; I could have a pain in my body and when I’m in that tangible presence I am not sick, when I’m in that tangible presence I do not have a pain in my body.  So my peanut brain logic says “If I could be in that presence 24-7 good-bye doctors.”

Ben: Yeah ha-ha, yeah that’s good logic, that’s good logic I agree with that.  It’s easier said than done of course.He’s always there He’s available and He really wants us to…

Sid:Okay, I want you to be a coach right now; I would like you to coach me and everyone that is listening, but let’s start at basics.  Everyone has to start somewhere, someone that doesn’t experience the presence of God give us some advice coach.

Ben:  Okay I love that one scripture in Proverbs “In all your ways acknowledge Him and He will direct your path.”  And we use the word acknowledge often in a public setting as somebody comes in that’s well-known and we’re having a meeting someone would say I’d like to acknowledge the presence of so and so.We say who they are, we acknowledge that they’re with us and we tell a little bit about them.  And when we acknowledge the Lord in all of our ways wherever we are whatever we’re doing we’re acknowledging that He is with us and we’re saying who He is.  And when we say to Jesus “You’re with me, thank You and You are Lord, You have control, You have the right to tell me what to do.  You have the right to put thoughts in my mind; You have the right to direct me in my day and steps.”  And He says “Trust in Him with all your heart and lean not on your own understandings.” which is a cerebral thing that you were talking about earlier.  But if we acknowledge Him that He is the Lord and He will be there and He will guide our steps and we will hear His voice, we acknowledge that He is the God that speaks; He’s the God that loves to communicate with His people; He hasn’t changed, Jesus is the same, the Father’s the same.  He’s a communicating God He created us for fellowship and what kind of fellowship happens without communication?

Sid:Let me take you back to when you were in Bible school and you were getting up 2 hours early. You were even missing breakfast, if the Lord didn’t release you and His presence was so strong. Did you ever miss a class because of this?

Ben:No, I don’t remember missing classes, but I did go to extra prayer meetings; because when I’d leave that place the joy of the Lord would flood me even as I’d been filled with weeping all of a sudden joy flooded my soul and I walked through the rest of the day kind of like floating on Cloud 9 as they say. I’d look for prayer meetings. We were involved in prayer bands. The first prayer band I chose was my first quarter in Bible school was the Middle East. Which is interesting because we now have more interests in the Middle East and Israel than we’ve ever had before.And…

Sid: The Bible’s real clear that Israel will be front and center stage, and be a problem for the whole world in the last days. So…I mean everyone sees what’s going on.

Ben:SoI would go not only to our prayer band, but I’d go to prayer bands that were taking place at different times of the day. I’d go to every prayer band that I could go to. I was in prayer…

Sid:Did you have time for anything else besides school and prayer? Well there was a young woman named Brenda of course.

Ben:She was hungry for more of God. She hadn’t known much about church and about God before then. She’d been taken to a Baptist church and got saved there, and with influence of Billy Graham on TV. She didn’t know that much about the Holy Spirit, and she was hearing something’s about healing and the Holy Spirit. We connected, and I was so full and she was so hungry I was just pouring into her and our dates were Bible studies and prayer meetings. It was pretty awesome; it was really reallyspecial. Then God began to speak to me, and the way I started to hear God’s voice was through the Bible itself. God would take a scripture and He’d bring it to life and speak to me and one morning I was in my prayer time Brenda had shared some burdens, and I was praying for her and I opened the Bible I asked God to speak to her and give her something from the Word and the verse that my eyes fell on was “She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.” And it was like the Holy Spirit said she’s the one and up until then you know I didn’t know I just thought…

Sid:But she knew the moment she looked at you she told me yesterday.

Ben:Yes, that’s right so…

Sid:But she operates in different gifts than you; you operate primarily in God speaking to you through the word; she has visions if you will.

Ben:   Right, right we both exercise prophetic gifts, but hers flows in a way that mine doesn’t.  I respond to the scripture where Paul told Timothy, stir up the gift that’s in you which was giving you at the laying on of hands in prophesy and so on.  So when I have an opportunity I’m asking God to “Stir it up Lord stir it up.”Then He gives me something.  He gives me a word, a vision or something that I can feed into their spirit and that’s a powerful thing.Brenda’s anointing is much stronger in this area where she walks into a room and she starts to sense things and feel things and see things; and she gets this burden within her that she has to release it.  It’s like the prophets in the Old Testament they say “Your word is burning in my bones up you know and I had to release, I could not be silent” that’s how she operates.

Sid:  I asked Brenda this question I want to ask you this question.  Do you believe everyone that is a believer can prophesy?

Ben:  Everyone can hear God voice everyone can prophesy. Jesus said “My sheep hear my voice.  And Paul said “You may all prophesy one by one that all may be encouraged and all may learn.” Yes I do everyone has the potential; some will take it to higher levels than other and their definitely different levels of prophetic ministry.  But at the least we can receive a burden for someone and let them know that we have a burden for them that God gave to us and we’re praying for them.  Or we may just feel like their having a hard day or something like that.As we develop as we’re faithful with what God give us God will give us more.  The very important thing is that we minister out of a pure spirit and a pure heart not with ideas of showing off our gift, but with idea of this is part of the Body of Christ, or this is one that needs to be part of the Body of Christ.They need to know that God loves them.  And so we’re asking and listing for God’s voice and listening…

Sid:   Ben I’m sorry we’re out of time we’ll pick up right here on tomorrows broadcast.

Sid:Jesus is coming back sooner than most of you think and that’s why I have Bill Salus on the telephone because he has spent 11 years researching and he has literally discovered the missing piece of end-time Bible prophecy.  We have his brand new book just off the press and three DVD’s teaching on this.  Bill while you were studying the revelation and it was revelation it wasn’t natural.  The revelation of Psalm 83 which perfectly describes the next Middle East war they discovered something that has been dubbed the Irish Dead Sea Scrolls.  Explain that.

Bill:   Well, yes absolutely in the summer of 2006 Sid was a very prophetic year we had a discovery of an ancient parchment in Irish bogswell, bogswell is muddy soil.What it was it was, there were several Psalms but it was very dilapidated and scarcely salvageable and they were in a museum, but one Psalm was salvageable.  It was unblemished and it was open in place; it had been buried Sid we believe for about a 1000 to 1200 hundred years in this Irish bogs well.  And what it was…

Sid:But wait a second a piece of scroll buried over a 1000 years in this type of environment; it shouldn’t have even been paper anymore.

Bill:  Well, that’s true and this was not an archeological dig with tooth brushes this was a construction worker with bulldozers.That in itself should have destroyed anything in its tracks.  But this was an amazing situation and you had headlines coming out of the Washington Post going “Israel mourns Hezbollah exalts.”  And so all of a sudden I’m thinking what is that they’re finding this bog.  Associated Press said “It’s an ancient book of Psalms found in an Irish bog,” and at the same time there’s newspapers coming around about Israel and this war with Hezbollah headlines because they were involved in a 34 day conflict. And right in the middle of the conflict between Israel and Hezbollah here comes this Psalm discovery and what’s amazing about that Sid is that it’s the only place in over 31,000 verses in the Bible where you can find Hezbollah and Israel involved in a war and that’s in Psalm 83…

Sid:And you’re just getting the revelation of Psalm 83 when all this explosive Irish Dead Sea Scrolls occur.

Bill:  Well, that’s the other thing too is that Psalm 83 as far as finding commentaries that were written about the prophetic aspects of Psalm 83 were pretty much nonexistent they were hard to find that’s why it took me eleven years of research to really get the this book that you’re offering right now.  And so what was amazing to me is that the Lord put it on my heart to write about Psalm 83 that I believe was an imminent prophesy for our time probably the next Mid East news headline and at the same time there’s a war going on and Psalm 83 shows up miraculously in Irish bogswell.  It couldn’t be the worst kind of soil in the world to find it show up it may as well just showed up in the middle of the…

Sid:And it mentioned all of the key players that are it looks to me like are ready to implement this.  Give me a brief synopsis of the scenario of Psalm 83; and by the way when you talking about Hezbollah when Psalm 83 talks about the inhabitance of Tyre who is that?

Bill:  Well, that’s the key here Sid is understanding who these players are, who these participants are that would really more than likely be Hezbollah.  What I think I’ll do is I’ll take the liberty of it’s as if Asaph who wrote the Psalm 3000 years ago was with us today in this interview.  I’m going to take the liberty and the vernacular of telling you who I think he would be describing in this prophesy which is clearly not found fulfillment yet and I found out why in the book you’re offering.  Who he was talking about at the very lead position and he goes through and gives us an order of who these populations are in verses 6-8 of Psalm 83.  We also have to start “Well, whose he saying is first?”  Because some of this of first a population listed first is sort of the star of the show like the credits of a movie at the end always list the top actor.  And he’s starting with the Palestinian refugees.He’s talking about their plight, he actually calls them a tents of Edom that’s a refugee position.  So he has Palestinian refugees very distinct, he’s got the Saudi Arabians in here.  He’s got the Southern Jordanians he has both the southern and central and north Jordanians so Jordan’s involved.  He’s got Egyptians involved, so Egypt.  I’m going to keep going with who it is but we should begin to notice here Sid is that I’m talking about the Arab populations that are all predominately Muslim that share common borders with Israel.  I’m talking about the Arab states and their terrorist organizations within those Arab states.  You have the Hamas, you have the Hezbollah, you have the Lebanese, you have the Muslim Brotherhood.  So in review Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Northern Iraq should be involved, Egypt Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas Lebanon, I mean the Hezbollah.So I believe is involved in this war and I’ve done some real serious research and on the maps when you look at the Old Testament maps and the ancient maps this is where they end up today.

Sid:Now how in the world can these Arab nations that seem to never get along seem to fight everyone else, seem to fight themselves, seem to fight one another; how could they ever do what Psalm 83 says, unify?

Bill: Well, we’ve already seen that inkling toward that since Israel became a nation in 1948.  It’s amazing to me Sid that after 1878 years in thediaspora when in 70 AD the Jewish dispersion started; and then in May 14, 1948 when Israel becomes rebirthed as a nation especially after coming out of a Holocaust attempt by Hitler.The Jews coming back into the land should have been given banners and balloons.  But what did they get, they got bullets and bombs and this ancient Arab hatred was alive and well and most of these populations that I just listed to you even though some of those terrorist organizations came on the scene subsequently they were involved.  That attitude was there they did not want the Jews back in that land over there.  Now they all got there statehood after World War I and World War II, but no we don’t want Israel to have a statehood in the midst of that Mid East land. And so we and you know what do we see right now, we see that your right the Arabs used to fight against the Arabs more than the Arabs use to fight against the Jews.  And the Persians used to fight against the Arabs; and there’s all this history that goes back and forth with all of these wars, but Islam came a long in the 7^th century AD and it united, it started to unite those populations with similar common holy practices and holy days and so they’re united.  And a matter fact they’ve never been more united, the President of Egypt Mohammed Morsi, and his Muslim Brotherhood they want to form a United States of the Arabs.  You saw recently that just before the elections when our presidential elections you saw our embassies across North Africa and the Middle East being attacked, I mean all the way from Libya Egypt to Tunisia by Iran, Yemen, Qatar twenty different countries all upset about some video or whatever you want to put it on.  They were Islamically driven united countries that used to war against each other and they’re attacking the America Embassies.What does that tell you Sid coming into the next four years that we got ahead of us?

Sid:It does not look good, now let me ask you this I noticed a pattern.  When there are wars in the Middle East Israel never starts it the Arabs’ start it.  Israel always finishes it, Israel always wins it, and Israel always ends up with more land than before it started.  It’s an amazing pattern.

Bill:  Well it is and you know Sid I point out in the book, and some of the DVDs your offering, that today’s Israeli Defense Forces actually exist in fulfillment of Bible prophesy; and I pinpoint why.  Because when we study end times Bible prophesy we don’t see the Israeli Defense Force as showing up in a lot of different places.  We see the Lord for instance stopping a massive invasion of Russia and a coalition in Ezekiel 38.  We don’t necessarily see the Israeli Defense Forces there.  And I can go through a whole list of things and I do in the book.  But what we do see is the Israeli Defense Forces fighting off these Arab countries in the end times and that’s the point I make and Ezekiel 37: 10 says “Israel will have an exceedingly great army.”  And I point out the numerous passages where they show up in defending the nation and your right they’ve even made a commitment that’s their policy they won’t be the first one to launch a weapon of mass destruction in the Middle East but they do have a Samson option.  In other words their military thinking at this point is we are not going to have a Masada complex we are going to have a Samson option and I don’t feel we know what that mean but it’s a strong response option is what it is.  It’s a matter of survival for them.

Sid:Yes, but what if they’re going to be number two in response then what happens if Iran nukes them, they won’t be able to respond.

Bill:  Well, I think Israel is on the precipice of having to do something about Iran’s nuclear program which I believe is possibly another prophecy I mean this is how detailed Bible prophecy can be I pointed it out in the book.  Iran has a double jeopardy in the end times; a lot of people recognize Iran under the banner of Persia, ancient Persia is involved in that Ezekiel 38 war with Russia and Iran and Turkey and Libya and there’s9 populations that he speaks.  But they also show up under..

Sid:Woops I tell you I’m so intrigued by what you’re saying time has just slipped away Bill.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with the Meisners. And I’m really, I don’t know about you, audience, I am blown away with our God and what He has done. But you know, we’re human and there is a forgiveness that has to occur. How in the world did you two first forgive and then love? Because without the forgiveness there can’t be the transparent love that you have.

BOB: I wish I could say it was overnight and it was just a prayer. But there was so much wounding and hurt that goes on. And so I want to bring hope to people, you know, that God has you on a journey to wholeness, and to know His love then you are able to express His love.

AUDREY: And Jesus just so much wants us to be, as Bob said, whole and free. And for me, everyday was repentance. I would repent in layers and I wanted to hate what I had done. And that was a process of years. A couple years though after Robert was born, I had a supernatural experience. I was at my parents’ home and there was a couple there, and after dinner I asked them to pray for me. And they said, “Sure, we’ll pray for you.” And when they did they said, “We sense that you have acute grief, and that’s just not a sadness, Audrey, because you’re not a sad person. But this is something, you have experienced a death or a loss and as a result grief has been locked into you. Would you like us to pray for you?” And I said, “Yes, I don’t want to live with that.” And they said, “Do you know what in the world happened that you have this?” So I told them the story how I committed adultery and had this baby, and I had never really grieved, because I was trying so hard to be perfect and strong. And they said, “Tonight is your night.” And as they laid hands on me they said, “Do you believe that you deserve to forgive yourself?” And I said, no. They said, “Because Jesus lives in you, you don’t get what you deserve. You get what he deserves.” And I thought, wow. And I thought, what happened is they prayed, I tapped into that grief and it was like prison doors were opened, and I finally walked free out of that prison of grief, and I let myself cry and weep for the first and one of the last times. Because what happened after that is my eyes were closed. I saw myself, a vision of myself clothed in the most beautiful white glistening pure robe of righteous. And Jesus said, “Will you see yourself the way I say you?” And I said yes, and when I did, I received that robe. That cloak of shame I had been wearing was off in a minute. And my robe was slippery. And you say, what difference does it make? Up to the point I could feel people as if they had Sharpie markers writing X’s on me. Because my robe was slippery I was free.

SID: And one of the keys is, it seems like almost everyday you were praying to God, soften my heart.

AUDREY: Yes.

SID: What an important prayer to pray.

AUDREY: I believe that humility is so important to just say, God, I surrender my entire life, my healing and especially surrender my husband, because I felt responsible to fix him and make him better, somehow make up for what I had done wrong. But Jesus healed us in a much different way.

SID: So Bob, you were a victim. How did you become satisfied from being a victim?

BOB: Sid, you are so right. I was the victim. And that night when Audrey walked free the couple then looked at me and said, “Bob, can we pray for you?” I said, sure. And they said, “We sense that you have some issues of unforgiveness.” You think so? And they said to me, they said, “You’re not ready to receive, are you?” I said, “No because it’s not fair. How come she’s the one that has the affair and I’m the one that has kept our family together. How come she gets to experience breakthrough? How come she gets to experience the supernatural? How come she gets to go free and I have to carry the burden and the weight of this?” I wasn’t ready. The next day it troubled me that I would be in such a place that I would not be able to receive from God. The next evening I said, “Would you pray with me?” You see, anyone can do this. We don’t need somebody necessarily. But you see, God began the work in my heart two years prior of loving me. And that night He asked me, He says, “Bob, will you allow my love to be perfected in you, to run its full course in prayer?” I visited an image in my mind. Because in my mind, I mean, it was full of imaginations. I call them vain imaginations of exactly what took place. How many of these events was she a part of?

SID: This became a stronghold.

BOB: It was tormenting and it would send me into a depression. It would put me on a spin of anger and rage. But after two years I had learned to control it, and that will kill you. It will cause your body to become sick. But that night as I stood there and I forgave, and I forgave, I weeped and cried. And then the Lord said, “Will you allow my love to be perfect.” He showed me the image that I had created in my mind of the moment she became pregnant. I didn’t visit that one too often. But in that moment I stepped into that image and I gathered her back to myself. And I wrapped her in my arms and I opened my eyes, and I fell in her embrace, and it was over.

SID: You know, you two have developed such keys to help people. I wish we had the time to go over each one of the keys. Tell me one couple that comes to mind, Audrey, that you have helped, that makes it all worthwhile.

AUDREY: Well one couple came to one of our conferences and they got all the keys, and they implemented them. They became face to face again. They became knowing they could be irresistible to each other again. And afterwards, they said, “We were separated for eight months. We were signing our divorce papers next week, and we came here, and we are going to go home and tell our three little kids that our marriage is safe, and that we’re going to stay together.” And I said, “How in the world did you come to a marriage conference together? What led you to come here?” And she said, “Well I was listening to the Christian radio station and I called in, and I won free tickets, and I couldn’t resist something free.”

SID: Now that’s called a Holy Ghost setup. But I feel like the spirit of God has told me to warn you right now, stop. That imagination Jesus taught is as bad as committing the sin. Cut it out. Say out loud every time you’re tempted by that thought, “Blessed are the pure in heart.” That little leaven will leaven the whole loaf. You cannot use that vain imagination any more. God is telling me to tell you, stop it, in Jesus’ name.

Sid: I have to tell you I am so excited, I’m excited to get this into my hands this tool I’m going to talk about, but I think I’m even more excited to get it into your hands because it’s going to totally change your life.  You see my guest Dennis Clark right after he became a believer he had an encounter with God; and God said that He was going to teach Dennis how to pray.  Oh, wait a second you said that to God or God said that to you?

Dennis: He said it to me as a prompting like ask me to teach me how to pray.

Sid: But you thought you knew how to pray.

Dennis: Yeah, but I already thought I knew how.

Sid:  So why, but I did it anyway.

Dennis: I did it anyway.

Sid: I would do the same. Then God said to you something that you now know it’s true, but you didn’t know at that time.  And it’s true for everyone that’s a real believer, that’s the most amazing thing and God said to you.

Dennis: “I’m giving you My undivided attention.”

Sid:  How would you like God to say that to you? “I am giving you my undivided attention.”  Well, I can tell you for the next 30 days God almost dictated a course that allows you to have communion with God, to communion with Him 24-7.  Dennis I have to ask you this question, what is it like to be communing with God 7 days a week 24-7. What is it like?

Dennis: Well, obviously its bliss but it didn’t start that way; it started in a way that there was such a strong awareness to God that there was some things that I would pick up that weren’t godly that I didn’t want to know about.

Sid: What do you mean? I don’t understand.

Dennis: It was like I could feel other people’s hurts, I could feel their sorrow, their anger regardless of their body language and regardless of their words I could feel in the atmosphere the things that were not of God and I wrestled with it.

Sid:  And today you counsel and you told me when you have a husband and wife and their feuding and both tell their side sides of the story you know something beyond their words, what do you know?

Dennis: Correct it’s like what their spirit’s saying what they’re not saying; the emotional flavor of words tells you’re the source.  And if the source isn’t good you can tell what kind of not good that is because everything is compared to the presence of God.  And every nuance of any negative is based on knowing the nature of the legitimate.

Sid: So what you have found is most humans because of learned behavior are good actors and actresses and to cut through all of that you have to have the gift of discernment operating, that’s what you’re describing.  There was a woman that came to one of your meetings Dennis in 1997, this is an educated woman, she had a PhD, she was a psychologist, and she was a counselor and you had a really tough case of someone that walked up.  And she’s thinking to herself “I would have to have this woman in counseling for years before she would ever get better.”  And in a matter of minutes her life was transformed and she said, “I got to meet this guy Dennis because what he just did I want to find out how to do this.”  Now when she walked up to meet you at the end of the meeting did you have a clue that she was going to be your wife?

Dennis:  Yes.

 Sid:  Yes!  Oh come on now you know too much.

Dennis: I know, that was a season of total miraculous revelations coming from all different directions.

Sid: So this woman walks up and did you hear in the spirit that this is going to be your wife?

Dennis: Yes, yes I knew.

Sid:  I hope you were smart enough not to tell her that.

Dennis: Oh, I was.

Sid: (Laughing)

Dennis: But she saw that lady.

Sid:  Tell me what was wrong with that lady.

Dennis: That lady basically just had a meltdown it was a group of about 100 people and she just… people were praying and she just heard certain things.  From her point of view she had everything, I’ve got that spirit, I’ve got that and the next thing you know she’s writhing on the floor and so I said, “not to make a big scene here,” I just walked over and knelt down and I whispered and dealt with some emotional healing.  She was a believer I dealt some mental strongholds brought them down and some demonic deliverance, all within I would say less than a 20 minute period.  She stood up on her feet with a countenance change with a smile on her face and everybody was saying “We never saw anything like that, that’s fast.”  And that was I think Jennifer’s key to later say, “When we’re done I want you to pray for me.”  And that was a phrase that God had given me that said “You’re going to know your wife because she’s going to ask you to pray for…she’s going to pray for you and ask you to pray for her.”

Sid: And here’s the most wonderful thing what he’s about to tell you is that he did for the woman that became his wife everyone that takes this course can start moving in this realm.  It’s you know what it’s so easy I think we needed the devil to get us confused on walking in the presence of God 7 days a week 24-7.  When your wife, she wasn’t your wife yet, but when she asked you to teach me how to do this and then she had results what happened to her when you taught her how.

Dennis: When I taught her, well at first she says, “I already dealt with this, I already dealt with this,” and then she realized that there was a lot of turmoil on the inside of her that she really hadn’t dealt with as toughly as she thought.  She had prayed pray after me prayers but they didn’t all take.  And all of a sudden she recognized that in applying herself we would pray 20 minutes after work 4 to 5 days a week and in 2 months time people that knew her a lifetime could not believe the change.  That’s where we even said the 60 day challenge we call it because Jennifer was radically transformed in 60 days, she didn’t recognize herself.  Matter of fact she says “I can tell you stories of our ministries, but I am the story.”

Sid:  Now, are you finding that people that take your seminar or buy the tapes and the workbook without you being there are able to get the same types of results?

Dennis: Absolutely.

Sid: Tell me one person that comes to mind.

Dennis: That got the same results, just apart from that we’ve gotten people that…oh there was a Navy Seal out on the West Coast that when they opt out the hard difficult training they go in and the expression is they ring the bell, they say “I want out, I’m opting out.”  What I didn’t know is that sent them to the chaplain and the chaplain used our teaching and told him he says, and he came in and he says “That commanding officer had it in for me,” he said, “Close your eyes, who is the first person?”  He said, “My mother.”  And he forgave his mother and got dramatically healed and this chaplain was reading it off of a card.

Sid:  The thing that and I have to be candid I haven’t taken this course yet but I’m learning by just reading the book.  I’ve read the book and I’m looking forward to taking the course, but just reading the book it’s like just some paradigm changes that I’ve made in myself because it’s not that complex, I mean when someone goes through your course all of sudden they can operate in discernment.  And in this day and age we’re living in I don’t think people are going to make it without being able to know the difference between their mind and the flesh and the spirit.  And here’s the thing that’s so amazing to me, let’s take your wife, when she began to commune with God 24-7 she got healed of a number of conditions.  What was she healed of?

Dennis: The first one was… were lying in bed and she had I can’t remember the exact name attack arcadia or some sort that she had had for twenty some years where she took…

Sid: Heart condition.

Dennis:  Heart condition.

Sid:  Where probably the beat speeds up or is irregular.

Dennis:  If it doesn’t stop you just die there’s no cure and her late husband was a physician and he said, “I’ve never seen anything so bad.”  And she had to take Digitalis and if it ever started and even that didn’t guarantee.  And she have episodes from age 20 to age 50, she had episodes on a monthly basis.  We’re lying in bed and all of a sudden I could feel demonic fear in the room. Nobody said a word, I said, “Jennifer, what are you doing?”  She says, I’m having one of those episodes and I said, “Let’s receive.”  The fear in the room is tremendous, I said that it’s at demonic proportion it’s not soulish; it’s demonic.  So she received forgiveness right while she was having a heart palpitation “I receive forgiveness for allowing fear something God never gave me” and she got peace on the inside but felt fear all around her.  Let the perfect love of God from the inside cast that fear off and she did it; we’re talking 10 minutes and found out it’s been 15 years now she’s never had another episode again.

Sid: Now this is not unusual; what Dennis is explaining is once people get his teaching and basically this is not taught in most churches, why is this not taught in most standard teaching, standard discipleship in every church in the world?

Dennis: I think the number one thing is that we found that everything needs to start with the emotions, the emo-cognition, emo-volitions.  Those emotions control your thinking, those emotions control your…

Sid:  Woops we’re out of time we’ll pick up here on tomorrows broadcast Mishpochah.  But I want you to take this course, trust me on this; it is so life changing for you.

Sid:  Now I have to ask you a question. When you pray do you absolutely believe God is going to answer your prayer if for no other reason than every time you pray you get an answer to prayer?  If the answer is no but you still persevere through faith wouldn’t it be wonderful if your payers started being answered every time and not twenty years from today but immediately? What if there are some revelation clues, revelation mysteries that would cause God to move on your behalf instantly and you began to see these results.  And when you see it even though you’re supposed to believe before you see it but when you see it it has something to do with building your faith and you could get to a point where every word that comes out of your mouth would be a word of power.  Well my guest is Dr. John Benefiel and he’s Senior Pastor of Church on the Rock in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.  He is also the leader of the Oklahoma Apostolic Prayer Network and that’s made up of 700 churches over 4,000 intercessors.  And He’s been teaching a revelation that has been from what I have been reading some leading Christians are saying that it is the best way to have answered prayer I’ve ever had.  Now John you’re the one that has the most experience praying this way what are you seeing as far as God answering your prayers after you’ve been praying this way as opposed to before?

John: Sid we’ve got wonderful results, some leaders like Peter Wagner says that the results that he hears from the heartland Apostolic Prayer Network which is the prayer network actually that I lead now I have a leader and a network in all 50 states and 42 foreign nations.  He says it’s the most tangible measurable results of high level prayer and spiritual warfare that he’s heard yet in his life.  And so God led us in all of this starting back in 1999, or actually really before that.  And we knew that we were dealing with the ruler of the demons.

Sid: Now who is the ruler of the demons?

John: Well, according to Matthew 12:24 it says “Beelzebub or Beelzebull is the ruler of the demons.”  It used to throw me because I thought that you look it up and it means lord of the flies.

Sid: Right.

John: You look a little bit deeper and you find out that’s simply a variation of the name of Baal or actually Ba-ahl that we actually say here in the United States.  And so Baal I believe because of the scripture is the ruler of the demons. Jesus went on to say “That you needed to bind the strongman in order to plunder his house and get the spoils.”  Well he was naming Baal as the strongman and if he was the strong man then he’s still the strong man now.  And I believe that he’s the strongman over our nation; in my opinion I like to teach it this way that Baal is the false, is the counterfeit of Jesus.  He is the false Jesus or another Jesus as Paul talks about.  And just as Jesus is the executor the Father’s will Baal is the executor of satan’s will.  So if we know that that’s our true enemy and the ruler of the demons then we deal with him but we deal with him in a legal way by approaching the throne of God.  And what we have developed is to approach the throne of God and ask God for a legal decree to divorce us from Baal.

Sid: Now why do we have to be divorced from Baal if we never been using your terminology married to Baal? (laughing)

John: If you look at the book of Jeremiah you’ll find that he talks about being in covenant with the enemy to a large extent Israel broke covenant with God and married or made covenant with him.  When they began to worship Baal and in my contention is that we have worshipped Baal in a lot of ways that we didn’t even understand because Baal is god of a 1000 faces; in other words it’s very well disguised as the enemy you know the enemy appears as an angel of light.  Whoever you worship that becomes your god; even if you do so ignorantly which I believe as Christians that we have done so and so that’s part of what I teach.

Sid: Well you know I’m reminded in a court room you always hear ignorance of the law is no excuse.

John: That’s exactly right and II Corinthians Chapter 2 and verse 11 when Paul said, “Lest satan take advantage of us for we are not ignorant of his schemes.”  So it’s obvious that satan, or Baal, can take advantage of us if we’re ignorant of his schemes.

Sid: Give me some definitions; what does the word Baal really mean?

John: Well, Baal means a lot of things but the simplest way to answer that it means lord, master, the Hebrew word Baal now and not the false god.  But the Hebrew word Baal actually means lord, master, owner, husband.  So the word itself means husband and the Jews actually used that word Baal or Baaleem, the plural of Baal to mean husband.  And then God said, “I don’t want you to call me Baal I want you to call me “My Eeshee which means husband.”  So Baal means owner or possessor or lord or master or husband.”  And so we have to be free of him and I like to say “But you can’t bind the strongman if you don’t know who he is and sure can’t bind him if you’re married to him.”  In 2007 Dutch Sheets did a great teaching on Baal and the need to divorce Baal and remarry the Lord. Really again what this basically is it really is repentance but it’s repentance in a deeper way than maybe we have understood.

Sid: I have to tell you because I’ve looked over your literature I see things that use the terminology Baal has a thousand faces but I’ve seen things that I didn’t even think would apply to me that do.  And so in effect this is what I’m understanding but I want you to put it maybe in better word that when we pray that supernatural prayer that you actually paid an attorney to develop.  It literally gives no place to the evil one to hinder our prayers. Is that correct?

John: That’s very right Sid exactly right, what happened when Dutch Sheets said we need to divorce Baal and remarry the Lord. Immediately I got on the phone and called my attorney friend who’s also one of our leaders of our prayer network and I said, “Jerry draw us up this legal decree of divorce from Baal” I said “I knew he knew how to do it” and he said “I’m already on it” because he was hearing what Dutch said and Jerry was one of our best under stander teachers about Baal; he had a great understanding about it.  So he drew up this legal petition, now does it have to be exactly the way we do it?  Well no of course not but this is a form of prayer approaching the throne of God asking God to grant us legal freedom from Baal.  Now people can say “Yeah but we’re all ready free from the devil by the blood of Jesus,” well I agree with that but if you don’t appropriate what the blood of Jesus has done you don’t enjoy it.  So the enemy uses legal tactics before us, before God’s throne in order to ensnare us. And God I mean I remember hearing Kenneth Copeland years ago say this he said, “You know God has to be just and righteous even to the devil.”  I don’t like that but it’s true. The basis of God’s throne is righteous and justice, so if we’re accused before God’s throne we’ve got to answer that accusation and immediately God will grant what we want.  You know in a natural court you may have a wonderful case but unless you bring your case before the judge in the protocol that the judge sets and in accordance with the law you’re not going to get a favorable ruling.  You may be right, you may be just you may have a really good case but really that’s what effective prayer is, is using the word of God to appeal to God based on His word to grant us what we ask for.

Sid: And then the second phase of the prayer is just as important once you get rid of that stronghold in your life that’s stopping literally God from answering your prayers then you do something called the Writ of Assistance. What is that?

John: Okay, good question you know we were getting so many tangible measureable results from the Baal divorce decree which was very happy about but then I began to think, “But Lord we haven’t seen the amount of wealth transfer yet that I think we ought to see.”  So I gathered together a lot of scriptures on wealth and wealth transfer, again gave them to my attorney friend and I said, “Draw us up a legal decree with this,” because even though we got this just decree, divorce from Baal from the throne of God that doesn’t mean that the enemy is going to lay down and play dead.  You know in a natural court of law when you get a favorable judgment from a judge that most of the time or a lot of times that’s not the end of it. You have to get law enforcement officials involved to enforce the decree of the court and that’s called the Writ of Assistance. And that’s a legal term by the way in real estate especially if you used to dispossess occupants of property and so…

Sid: I got a lot of beings in the invisible world, I would like to evict, is that what you are saying.  (laughing)

John: Exactly, exactly Sid.  We wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers and the invisible realm we have to deal with that.

Sid: So when you pray this prayer and I’m rushing you now because we’re almost out of time, when you pray this prayer what is the legal effect of this prayer when you pray this writ of assistance?

John: It is not only to take away the legal right of enemy to be there but also so release the angels, not praying to angels now, we don’t do that.  But to release the angels to go and bind the strong man of Baal and plunder his house and bring us the spoils.

Sid: Okay I understand that at your church you’ve been having a lot of miracles, my question is “Are you seeing greater results of prayer, greater miracles after you’ve prayed this way as opposed to before you prayed this way?”

John: Absolutely, absolutely because we’re not yelling at the devil, we’re simply taking away his legal right to mess up our lives.

Sid: We’re talking about the Glory of God and my guest David Herzog.  I’m featuring his brand new book literally just off the press called “Glory Invasion.”  And Glory makes everything speed up; it makes it…David it makes it instant.  I like that we live in instant America, I like instant. I don’t like praying for 50 years for something to happen as it’s been in the past.  Are you finding that you’re prayers are accelerating as the Glory is accelerating?

David: Oh, it’s amazing everything’s going so so fast my brain can’t even keep up with it now.

Sid:  Give me an example of something that you have prayed or even in giving I understand it’s accelerating.

David: Oh yeah, in everything I take a map of the United States and I go in my room and the Glory would come upon me.  I remember I would get different prophecies from different prophets that you’re going to go to this city like New York or here or there and it’s going to happen.  So I would just hold on to these prophesies and one day God said, “Take them out, stick them in the Glory and they’ll happen.”  So I’m in my room praying and the Glory comes in and I say “Hey, I’m going to seek these prophecies and I’m going to just stick the out there.”  So I had one word that I would speak in New York City and Wall Street right on the Wall Street area so I just begin speaking it, the next day, no not even the next day within hours I had an email “Would you please come speak in this big conference in New York on Long Island.”  I said, “Praise God,” and then I realized wait a second that’s not Wall Street but it’s close enough.”  So I got back in my prayer room the Glory came and I said “No, Wall Street specially open up,” a few hours later I get an email from a whole different pastor that doesn’t know me said, “Would you come our church is right on Wall Street, right on Fullerton right near the Stock Exchange we have a big church here and we’re hungry; there was revival here 150 years ago would you come?”  So like just even the acceleration of certain things opening up that God is already ordained but just accelerating it.

Sid: You have so many fascinating things in your book, for instance chapter 9 deals with the resurrection Glory actually raising the dead; is that going to be as common place as it was in the First Church?

David: I think that it will even be more so because the Bible says that the latter shall be greater than the former.  I think resurrections we’re going to see not just one case here or there but just as we see mass healing and mass deliverance we’re going to start seeing mass resurrections.

Sid:  But the one chapter that intrigues me the most is the one called “Elijah Glory,” and I teach a lot about Elijah. What is God showing you about the Elijah Glory?”

David:  Oh, well a lot of people talk about Elisha like “Oh, that’s the double portion, I want the double portion of blessing or the Glory or the anointing or.”  And I tell people “Yeah but you have to have an Elijah to have an Elisha, if you’re not following an Elijah. I talk about Malachi that talks about turning of the hearts of the children back to the Fathers and the Father’s back to the children.”  So I teach and I explain, “Who are the Fathers?” is it just the revivalists or does it go further back and He told me it goes all the way back to the Jewish Father’s of the faith even from the Old Testament Abraham and Moses and the twelve Jewish Apostles and so as we turn our hearts back towards the Jewish Apostles of the faith there comes a blessing I believe in a double portion blessing begins to come.  The first born always got the double portion if you look in the Bible, the first born son gets the double portion, well the Jewish people were the first born into the gospel and there’s different scriptures in there where Esau and Jacob. One of them wanted to be like the older brother and kind of copy the other brother and kind of mimic his voice.  And the Lord began to show me as we connect back to the older brother the Jewish people of the faith that we’ll get that double portion blessing.

Sid: And that’s why I understand the first thing that you felt you had to do to launch your ministry is probably the last thing you thought you had to do, but the Spirit of God showed you this was you literally had to go to Israel first.

David: Exactly, I had just started on the mission field I had been to France and I got to Paris and within a couple of weeks I said, “Lord what do I do now?”  He said, “Go to Israel first,” but I said, “You’ve not called me to move there you just called me here.”  He said, “I know but go there first, bless my people and I’ll take care of the people that you’re trying to reach that I’m sending you to.”  So I go over there and I led about thirteen people to the Lord, when I got back it was nonstop revival for five years straight, everything has just exploded.

Sid:  You recently got back from Israel and you called me when you got back and you said, “It was so exciting seeing the openness of the people.”  One particular man was watching the Glory come on your people, an unsaved Jewish man, what happened to him?

David: Yeah, he said, “That’s the highest level of energy that I’ve ever seen in my life.”  He says “He studies energy levels.” And he said, “I’d love to have that kind of energy.”  And people were getting baptized in the Jordan and they were crying and shaking you know, they manifest when they sense the power and Glory. He said “Man but this is real, I’ve seen so many people come here and get baptized but I’ve never seen this, a lot like this.”  I said, “Well, you can have this.”  But he said, “But you’re leaving,” I said, “Come on let’s go,” so we went into the locker-room to change with threw him a bathing suit and he actually works there. Make a long story short he received Yeshua into his heart, he said, “I really want this and I want to know the Messiah and ever thing” and pray with him, he got baptized.  He came out of the water glowing, it’s just an amazing, amazing I think you have some footage of that too.

Sid: Oh, we do for our television show, but I don’t know why but some things triggered, we were talking earlier this week that the two of us had the privilege of ministering at your tent in Miracle Valley, Arizona the camp grounds of A.A. Allen the great miracle ministry and the Tabernacle that witnessed so many miracles it’s in disrepair and one of the people that travel with me grabbed just a piece of wood so he could have sort of like a memento of the place where all these miracles took place.   He took it into his motel room went to sleep and the next morning he gets up and that little piece of wood is coated with gold dust.

David: Wow!

Sid:  Still in awe over what happened at that meeting and I don’t know exactly what happened within me but I know that my faith level has accelerated as a result of being at that meeting, how about you David?

David: Oh, major oh yeah, it was just since we’ve gotten back it’s like we can believe for anything because there’s like an authority, there’s confidence of greater faith.  Yeah I think it’s a greater gift of faith and a greater Glory combined together.

Sid: You know R.W. Shambach, most are familiar with his ministry he was mentored by A.A. Allen and he saw 1 miracle, he saw many 100s of 1000s of miracles but he saw 1 miracle just before his very eyes there was a little child that had 26 things wrong and in an instant I believe A.A. Allen went into the Glory realm, and then proclaimed the healing and held the little baby and while Shambach looked the legs, the feet that were club feet straightened out the toes popped out, I believe that that is going to become common place when any believer is in the Glory and has a revelation from God what to do in the Glory.

David: I believe it, yep we’re just starting to see the very beginnings of it but it’s going to get a lot lot stronger everywhere we go and everywhere the Body of Christ are hungry and searching that creative powers coming.  God’s still a creator He’s still into business of creating body parts and doing miracles.

Sid:   Listen, body parts would be enough but you literally you showed it to me, God is causing precious stones and I head one person say “Well, that’s because on the robes of many of the angels there’s precious stones.”  But you showed me a beautiful one that God had given you.

David: Yeah, it’s a purple gemstone, actually my daughter her name is Glory and God told her “I’m going to give you a diamond or a gemstone.”  She believed it and she kept looking and looking and nothing happened and she began to cry a little bit and said, “But Daddy, Mommy I thought God spoke to me I was sure.”  And as we were about to leave we looked down and just right at almost her feet there was this purple beautiful gemstone; it looks almost like a amethysts but it’s not it’s different it’s just amazing gemstones from Heaven coming down on meetings in the earth; it just moguls the mind.

Sid: Another of the speakers at the A.A. Allen meeting campgrounds that we were at that was Jeff Janson. He showed me a stone that he got that told me an angel handed him and he actually took it to a jeweler, a top jeweler and the jeweler said “I’ve never seen a stone cut so perfectly as this.”  And then Jeff said, “What kind of stone is it?”  And this is an expert an expert jeweler and he said “I’ve never seen a stone like this on earth.”

David: Yeah, a lot of these stones the jewelers they don’t understand what it is they say “It’s too perfect to be a diamond because a diamond has to have some flaws but it’s too heavy to be fake or to be zirconium, they’re usually amazed by it.

Sid:  What did God show you the reason that you wrote your book “Glory Invasion” why did you write it?

David:  Basically I was getting a lot of this fresh revelation on the Glory and Quantum Physics and the Glory and basically the Lord said, “You need to get this out, people need this it’s not just for you to operate in your own ministry it’s for anyone that can catch this revelation they will begin to operate in the same level of Glory, unusual miracles and the whole thing.”  So it took me about oh two or three years to finish it and then God said last year “You better finish it right now, this is the time and if you don’t do it now you are going to miss the timing of the Lord.”  So I just quickly just worked day and night to finish it up.

Sid: David, I am so excited that this is literally the premier getting this book out in distribution because I saw what happens when you minister under the Glory and you’re telling me that if someone can capture the same revelation you did from this book that they can operate in that same Glory?

David: I believe so.

Sid:  Okay, Mishpochah consider yourself challenged you will be the same anointing your sensing on this interview you’re going to get on this book “Glory Invasion.”  How would you like to live 24-7 in the Glory I can’t think of anything better.

Sid:My guest Al Houghton I’m speaking to him at his home in Anaheim, California has just come out with a book called “The Sure Mercies of David” which has finally recaptured what the first church understood about the gospel.  Al as you’ve been explaining we have been specializing here in America especially in this 21^st century in only half of the gospel message, explain.

Al:  Sid we have Jesus the Savior in every dimension and we have majored on Him for 40 years.By that I mean we have majored on Jesus the Savior, Jesus the Healer, Jesus as baptizer in the Holy Spirit, deliverer, soon coming King.  We have talked about mercy, mercy, mercy, mercy, mercy, but there is another side of Jesus that appears when He ascended and sat at the right hand of God.  And this is the half of Jesus that we have not presented the church and we have the fruit.The fruit is that there is no fear of God in the government because there is no fear of God in the church.  We have abandoned Jesus the Judge in order just to preach Jesus the Savior we’ve gone too seeker sensitive and we just don’t tell people the tough things anymore and now we’re living with the fruit of it and the fruit of it is loss of freedom. When I discovered Jesus the Judge in the book of Revelation I realized I had been ministering a formula almost my whole life up to that point.  And I realized instead of following the Spirit…

Sid:How can you have intimacy with a formula?

Al:  You can’t!  You absolutely can’t!Not only that you teach formula Christianity everywhere you go and it hurts everyone you minister to because you set them up for situations where they’re going to meet a Jesus you didn’t tell them about.  And that is the Jesus of Justice, the Jesus of Judgment, the Jesus who in the book of Revelation is very different from Jesus in the gospels.They’re two streams of His ministry, one is healing and deliverance and stilling the storm and the other is sending a storm when there isn’t repentance and that’s precisely where I believe our nation is right now.  Because when we allow the things that we have started to allow in the last 30 years the Bible says “We will no longer be able to defend our land.”The land cries out because of fullness of iniquity and it begins to vomit out the inhabitance, translation simply means you can no longer defend your land against attack from without or within.

Sid:Have we past the point of no return in the United States of America and Canada?

Al:  Well, that’s the good news, well Sid as a church we have if we do not get a hold of the covenant of sure mercy, I believe the covenant of sure mercy is the answer for the remnant church and the good news is that when Gideon was sent God sent the 30,000 home and he knocked it down to 300 historically God uses a small group to turn things.

Sid:Now you talk in your book about the prophecy the end time prophecy in Daniel chapter 11 verse 32; would you explain.

Al:  Those who know their God shall be strong and do exploits. I discovered I only knew half of the Jesus I needed to know, I did not know the half of Jesus that would carry me through the opposition into victory.  For example the Apostle Paul and Barnabas are sent to a region and they encounter a false prophet.He has the whole region locked up and they can’t get in and all of a sudden Paul uncharacteristically says “Behold the hand of the Lord is coming upon you and your going to be blind for a season.”  Well, the gospel of Jesus that we preached for years all He does is opened blind eyes, well in Acts 13 He closed some seeing eyes and he made them blind.  Justice came in that situation in order that people could be saved and set free; now that’s what the covenant of sure mercy enables and that’s why it’s so essential where we are right now.

Sid:Now I can see why it’s so essential for a nation; let’s bring it down to the individual level and you started to tell me a story on yesterday’s broadcast.

Al:  I did.This covenant works because it’s a covenant about justice, and a covenant about justice, about two things: mercy and justice.  God gave David mercy and He gave him justice.  When we invoke the covenant of sure mercy we get both mercy and justice, now there was a man named, he’s a PhD. now his name is Dr. Roger Sapp. Roger in his military career the Lord impressed him to go into the army to become a chaplain.  He’s in OCS they rotate to about 20 different guys in and each one takes a turn, he’s the only one whose giving witness about being a Christian.This one individual began to harass him unmercifully day after day after day, this went on for 30 days.  Now you only got four months in OCS you write each other and the people on the bottom sometimes don’t graduate, he was being accused of being a homosexual, he was I mean just everything you can imagine, this man was continually making fun of him, harassing him, finally then he started on his wife and finally Roger had enough and he said, “If you don’t stop God’s going to deal with you.”  And then this guy called the whole group out, and said, “Hey guys come and hear this, come and hear this baloney and they said, “Roger did you really say that that God is going to get him.”He said, “What I said was “God is going to stand up in my behalf because this is not right and it’s injust, it’s unjust there’s no justice in this, there’s no truth in this.”  Well, the very next day this individual who was harassing him was leading the platoon and they are running in march step to class and he trips over a shell casing, the whole platoon ends up on top of him, he screams they all un-pile, he’s broken his leg in three places, everybody in that platoon looked at Roger and said, “Oh, my Gosh,” the guy had to have a complete cast from hip to toe he ended up not graduating.  As a result a revival broke out in the class, six of them got saved, the rest of them at one time or another came to Roger for prayer, the whole situation turned around in 24 hours when he took a stand and proclaimed that the God of justice would stand up in his behalf.  That’s an example of the covenant of sure mercy in manifestation.

Sid:Now how long have you’ve been teaching the covenant of sure mercy in precatory mercy?

Al:  The sure mercy side I’ve been teaching for 6 years since 1998, the imprecatory mercy…

Sid:And please explain imprecatory.

Al:  (Laughing)

Sid:For me too, (Laughing)

Al:  Imprecatory, if you look up and imprecatory in the dictionary you probably won’t like it, it’s simply means to bring forth a judgment, or sometimes they call it to bring forth a curse.  But the real issue on imprecatory based on what we…it’s just a word that we use to describe how David prayed in the Psalms when he stood on the covenant of sure mercy.  And some PhD must have invented it, but anyway we sort of inherited it.It’s a term that describes how David prayed on his covenant when he encountered and adversary that was too strong for him and he would put that adversary in God’s hands and for 2 years I kept hearing this “You don’t know David, you don’t know David, you don’t know David, you don’t know David.”  And I thought God “What do you mean I don’t know David?”  And I thought “Okay, how am I going to learn what David was like, what his heart was like.Then the Lord reminded me Sid of Acts chapter 15 where they were trying to settle this law and grace issue and they came on this prophecy that promised that God would return and rebuild the tabernacle of David that had fallen down.  He would rebuild its ruins, he would set it up so that the rest of mankind could seek the Lord.  There’s something about the heart of David and the covenant of sure mercy that enables us to get a harvest of cities and nations.  And when we go back to Amos 9 and read it Sid it give you the foundation for something I’ve heard you say “When this nation attempts to persuade Israel to give away some of their land, then we end up catching a judgment or divine justice.”  You know I’ve found out Sid that in Amos chapter 9 I found it right there in verse 15 and it’s at the end of the covenant of sure mercy where he promises to do this for us“I will plant them in their land, no longer shall they be pulled up from the land that I have given them say’s the Lord your God.”  And that comes right at the end of the covenant of sure mercy.  It is an amazing thing.

Sid:  We want everyone everywhere to recognize that God is a God of the impossible.  God is a God that forgives, God is so good there has been a bad PR campaign against the truth about God by the devil and we’re proclaiming the truth and you’re going to know the truth and the truth is going to set you free.  Nothing is impossible in His presence all things are possible and we are in the presence of the living God.  I’ve got Gary Wood on the telephone and his daughter Angel.  Gary had a visitation to heaven and his life has never been the same, the Lord told him that if he would write a book about it it would go worldwide and everyone that read it would have the opportunity to be healed, deliver and set free.  But even if that wasn’t true and it is true, he’s got so many reports of people being healed and delivered and set free just from reading his book “A Place Called Heaven.” And even if that wasn’t true if Jesus is your Messiah and Lord you will be in a place called Heaven and it’s going to give you a picture of where you’re going to spend eternity.  And you’re going to be more heavenly minded than earthly minded and yielding more to God than you ever have in your life as a result of reading that book.  But tell me Gary a bit about your daughter Angel.

Gary:  Well, Angel is such a blessing to our family we’re just thankful that she was entrusted into our care.  Angel was born Sid a doctor said, “Mentally retarded” and they said that there were so many things that she would never be able to do or to achieve and we’re watching her just supersede all of those things.

Sid:  And was she actually tested and where was she tested and what did they say about her?

Gary:  She was tested here at the University of Texas and the physiologist told us that you could not tell her three things in a row and then she reiterate and speak those things back to you.  She had a sever coordination problem, you could throw a ball, she could see the ball coming but she couldn’t put her hands together and catch the ball.  And then they told us that she couldn’t go from the classroom in school to the bathroom and find her way back to the classroom.

Sid:  How far did they expect her to go in school?

Gary:  They said that she would never achieve over a third grade level of mentality.

Sid:  Okay when they gave your report what did you and your wife say and do?

Gary:  Well, immediately you just feel that sense of overwhelming hopelessness and my wife got an inspired idea Sid and God told her that she believe that if I would read healing scriptures into a tape recorder and just play them in Angels room all night long that Angel would be healed.  And back then you know they didn’t have all the modern devices that we have now.

Sid:  There were no I-Pods, ha-ha.

Gary:  No I-Pods, I think I can’t even keep up with all of them, but any way I just took a little cassette recorder, found all the healing scriptures I could out all different translations of the scripture and read it and read it with love.  And we played it in Angel’s room all night long and Dean and I would take turns waking up and turning that tape recorder over and just allowing it to play over and over and over and over, until it just saturated her mind and miracles bebin to happen.

Sid:    Tell me how she is today.

Gary:  Well, she has been studying the word of God with me for the past five years and has just received a Masters Degree from Grace Theological Seminary and Lois, South Carolina where I carry my Doctorate Degree.  But she is a tremendous intercessor, a tremendous prayer warrior, the most compassionate person I know on the face of the earth.  We had an old godly retired school teacher that came in and told me Pastor, I’m pasturing a church at the time and she said, “Pastor, I can teach Angel to read.”  And I said, “Miss Hedley you really believe that?  And she said, “Oh, I know I can Pastor” she said, “I still want to work with her.”  So Angel learned to read Sid by reading the Bible, that’s how she learned to read.  Then she got baptized in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in other tongues. Dean and I would get called down to school for a conference, and here is how the conference would go.  They would say, “Mr. and Mrs. Wood we’ve called you in to talk about your daughters progress. Your daughter speaks in this strange language.  We’ve never heard it, and we don’t understand it, we speak French, German, Spanish, but we have never heard the language that she speaks in.” I said, “Well what happens when she speaks in this language?” They said, “That is what we wanted to tell you. She goes like into a trance. Her eyes are closed and she prays in this language, and then she just gives the answers to the questions.”  I said, ”Well isn’t that what it is all about?” She studied, we worked with her, but she studied then, but the Holy Spirit would bring it back to her mind.

Sid: Well she is actually operating in ministry today.  Tell me the first time you realized that she operated in the gift of prophecy, words of knowledge, and healing.

Gary: Well God actually called her to the ministry in May of 1988 when she was with me in a meeting.  On the way back she was crying in the backseat, and I asked her “What was wrong?” She said, “That God touched her heart that night and called her into the full-time ministry.” It is increasing in her life on a steady rate, but just before I went to the Philippines she bowed at my seat and prophesied over me. She spoke into my life and said, “Everywhere the souls of my feet went I would experience the blessings of God and see a mighty outpouring of the rein of the Holy Spirit.” That is exactly what happened over in the Philippines.  Literally spiritually inside the service where the Lord told me to throw water on people typifying an outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Then outside, where it literally began to flood, the only night in a 14 day meeting that it literally started raining to that magnitude. So everything she said came to pass. She is a powerful intercessor.  If you want prayers and know that those prayers will reach heaven then you want my Angel to pray for you.

Sid:  Can I speak to Angel right now?

Gary:  Yeah.

Sid: Alright we are putting on Angel Wood.  Hi Angel, are you there?

Angel:  Hello?

Sid:  Hi, did I thought I heard in the background that you had a prophetic word or something you wanted to say to me.  What was that?

Angel:  That God’s going to use you in a mighty way and that you are going to do good all over the world and that you’re going to be blessed to all the people all over the world in Jesus name.

Sid:  How long have you been prophesying Angel?

Angel:  It’s just been I guess about three weeks now.

Sid:  And when you hear a prophetic word is it something you have a thought or do you actually hear a voice?

Angel:  I hear a voice.

Sid:  My goodness, that’s a pretty powerful gift.  We’ll talk further on tomorrow’s broadcast but can I speak to your Dad again?

Angel:  Okay, just hold on a sec.

Sid:  Alright it’s you know I took a chance there because I wasn’t sure I overheard what’s going on but she actually had a prophetic word for me.  Gary, tell me about your book which is so important it’s called “A Place Called Heaven.”  I’ll never forget my mother used to always say heaven must be a wonderful place.  And that’s where she is right now, but everyone that names the name of Jesus as Lord and Savior they need your book, what kind of feedback do you get from people that read your book, “A Place Called Heaven?”

Gary:  Well, people are receiving all kinds of incredible miracles, there was a man named John who had fallen and he had broken several disks in the lower portion of his back the L2 and L3.  And there was so many things that he wasn’t able to do and was in intense pain and God just touched him miraculously and he told me he was even for the first time since he was a kid was able to ride a roller coaster; that’s just incredible .  Just recently a lady was healed of Lupus disease; we’ve gotten reports of people healed of cancer, blind eyes being opened.

Sid:  But even more important than those reports is what Jesus said to you about those who will read the book and practice what you say.  What did He promise?

Gary:  He promised that people would be born again, healed and delivered, He said, “Wake up my church.”  He said, “My people have lost their intimacy with me He said “They’ve fallen asleep and I desire to have a relationship with them once again.”  He told me He said, “Tell the people to get up early in the morning and start expecting with excitement.”

Sid:  Listen, as far as I’m concerned when people start reading your daughter’s book, that’s the sort of thing that is going to happen to them with a hopeless situation.   Talk to someone that’s in a hopeless situation why they would benefit from your daughters book “Angel A Walking Miracle.”

Gary:  Well, because it’s not the problem your facing that will defeat you whether it’s your attitude towards the problem and that’s the key with Angel.  Angel has the most positive attitude of anybody I know; people say that physiologists all told us that so many things were impossible for her ever to accomplish and I’m talking to people right now who feel like it’s just absolutely impossible with some overwhelming situations that they are facing.  But Angel gets up every morning, she dresses herself physically then she dresses herself with the full armor of God and she says, tell them Angel real quick what you’re favorite scripture; “I can do all things that Christ would strengthen me” Philippians 4:13.  She says that and she puts on the full armor of God and according to Ephesians chapter 6 and then she goes out and she just doesn’t believe there’s anything she can’t do.  She just believes that…

Sid:  And yet from a medical viewpoint they had given up on her.

Gary:  Absolutely, but she believes that she has soundness of mind.

Sid:  What is just very quickly what is the; she prays for people that have mental  problems that can’t remember and what happens to them?

Gary:  Well, suddenly they begin to remember and she…

Sid:  Oh, evay she’ll pray on tomorrow’s broadcast.

Sid:  Now my guest undermines the myths taught in our public education schools and colleges and universities.  The myths taught in secular media to discount the authenticity of the word of God for the sake of having everyone follow the devil, it’s that simple. Now my guest James Nienhuis has a book and I am so excited about it it’s called “Old Earth Why Not” and he explains myths.  For instance Jim I mean there’s so many areas that people of faith believe but t they don’t have a reasonable explanation so they believe by faith.  But I believe that we’re so close to the return of Jesus that we don’t have to believe by faith there’s enough documentation and evidence, but what about we read about these fossils that are found of these ancient man and the monkeys and all of these forms that actually prove evolution?  I want you to blow that myth out of the water.

James:  Sure, well a monkey is a monkey and a man is man.  Neanderthal man was a man, he was just a guy who lived really old; a really long life.

Sid:  About 3 million years ago or?

James:  Oh about 4,500 years ago you know at the close of the deluge when the ice age kicked in because the oceans after Noah’s flood; after the waters slid off the thickening continents with the rising mountains at that time when Noah’s flood waters slid off those thickening continents into the then deepening ocean basins.  Those were warmer oceans Sid at the close of the deluge because of the fountains of the great deep the Bible speaks of which  broke open to cause the deluge along with the 40 days and 40 nights of rain which was only a small portion of it’ because the deluge you know increased to 150 days.  So with that, when the waters slide off into the deepened ocean basins those warmer waters what did they do; what happens when warm water on a cold day Sid, you see all that steam right?

Sid:  Sure.

James:  That evaporation of warmer oceans to cause the dense cloud cover which must have been for the ice age.  You can’t have an ice age without dense cloud cover and you can’t have dense cloud cover without greater evaporation rates off the water.  So that is proof in and of itself that there was a global deluge which caused the waters to be warmer at the close of the deluge which caused the ice age and the ice age ended when the oceans had cooled to about our temperatures to lessen the evaporation.  But…

Sid:    Wait, wait, wait are you telling me the ice age is not millions of years old?

James:  The guy, let me finish, the guy the men during the ice age like Neanderthal man they lived longer in the descending generations after Noah’s flood as the Bible tells us; you know a couple hundred years old descending longevity.  But those old guys in that cloudy ice age climate got little vitamin D, and that results in rickets. That is the pathology we see in the bone structures of the Neanderthal man.  Lubinow back in the 1850’s the German scientists had discovered everyone of these guys immediately said, he’s a pathologist Sid, he said, “This guy had rickets, but then the Darwinist got hold of it and said, “Oh look, it’s a monkey man and off we go.”

Sid:  Yeah but did they have any scientific evidence based on your studies to date them so old?

James:  Carbon 14.

Sid:  Oh well, how do you explain that?

James:  Well, Carbon 14 presumes to know that the amount of Carbon 14 in the atmosphere back then is essentially what it is today, but since during the ice age as documented  by all the ash in the Arctic icecaps there was much more volcanics going on during the ice age.  Therefore all the Carbon 12 dilute in the carbon dioxide coming out of all those volcanoes, all that Carbon 12 diluted the amount of Carbon 14 in the atmosphere. So it diluted Carbon 14 in the atmosphere, creatures that died back then show exaggerated Carbon 14 dates today when we measure them because of the volcanic that were going during the ice age. But you see the main stream scientists say that the ice age was going on before or after that, so they don’t factor in the reality that these guys were living when the carbon fourteen in the atmosphere is being diluted by all the volcanos.

Sid:  Okay, as long as we’re exposing myths the big thing people and are getting noble prizes for have to do with global warming.

James:  Huh!

Sid:  And I mean this is serious business, the countries really even divided on this issues that want to stop everything and get rid of all of the systems that we have for transportation and make every…otherwise I mean we will speed up the demise of this planet.

James:  Well, first of all let me just throw this out you know China and India with us you know there excluded, so that having been said, “If there actually is global warming atmospheric warming Sid, what does that do to the surface temperature of the ocean?

Sid:   Make it hotter.

James:  And with hotter water like we previously discussed that would make more clouds and it cools it back down you know shady day?

Sid:  That makes sense.

James:  Just picture a shady day with rain that cools down the atmosphere. Now there is; that’s a negative feedback mechanisms Sid, that’s hydrology 101 that none of these people seem to be talking about. And you know, if we are having an upsurge in hurricanes, well that’s predictable.  Those hurricane vents, the eye of the hurricane, those are giant vents venting atmospheric warming up into the stratosphere. So that’s God’s nature’s way of venting any excess heat that’s on the surface.  So it’s a negative feedback mechanism, the whole thing is crazy and you know like I said before let’s get the Chinese and Indians on board with us if we’re going to do it.

Sid:  You know what I don’t understand is the material by Al Gore who’s kind of the point man on this whole issue in England was banned because they said, “It was faulty science.”  Do you agree with them?

James:  Oh, obviously yes.  You know more methane is put out the tail end of cattle then human’s by 10,000 fold…

Sid:  Is that where Rush Limbaugh got it from? Okay. (Laughing)

James:  Yeah, you know it’s completely absurd. Volcanoes you want to talk about carbon dioxide?  When a good volcano or two goes off it makes what we produce pale so the whole thing is I’m afraid really…

Sid:  So what is China and India doing if the theory is correct?

James:  Well, I think they’re bottom line as per in China at least using slave labor and what not, that you know the environment and the health of their people it is not high on their priority list I don’t think.  Nevertheless you know we sit here talking about Europe and America should do while we don’t say anything to China and India so it’s just the theater of the absurd you know.

Sid:  Okay, you have a chapter here that says “Dinosaurs Died out 65 Million Years Ago.”

James:  That’s what they claim.

Sid:  Okay, that’s a myth, you state; why?

James:  Well, because we have a vast sedimentary layers that should have eroded away within 15 million years at current erosion rates, but here they say it’s 65 million years old.  Well, all the continents should have leveled the sea level within 15 million years; so that’s a specious argument in and top of itself.  On top of that they’ve discovered T-Rex bones with skin red blood corpuscles, bone marrow, spongy organic materials Sid, sitting there within sedimentary rock now that should have dissipated over 65 million years.  But obviously…

Sid:  But why haven’t they publicized that, that’s an amazing find.

James: Well, to a degree but it doesn’t get the repeat business like New York Times articles gets though out all the publications throughout the world, you know what I’m saying.  It’s they can say “Well, it made the news,” we thought that it was obvious, not to be emphasized if you want to say that the earth is billions of years old.  It’s not the kind of information you want out there; nevertheless it came from North Carolina State University, Montana State University, mainstream scientists who came upon this spongy organic material in these T-Rex’s bones and they go “Well, well, well isn’t this interesting.”  And to this day they haven’t explained it away they just forced it to go off the radar screen.

Sid:  What about the basic 101 of evolution, “Monkey’s evolved into men.”

James:  Yeah…

Sid:  Why is that not true?

James:  Well, if monkeys were evolving into men, men should be involving in the process of evolving something right now right?  Constant change through time like the Darwinist say and likewise there should be monkey’s that are transiting into humans right now just a little bit slower.  And why are monkey’s still around if we supposedly evolved from them, if we supposedly are better than them?  They should have died out if we evolved from them out of necessity and we’re a superior being, why didn’t they die out?  Why is the alligator still alive after 500 million years?  Why are fish still around as they are in the fossil record from 500 million years ago?  You know the whole thing is a crazy.

Sid:  You know you hit so many different areas in your book I don’t know where to start, where to stop, but real quick you have a problem with Israel being called Palestine, why is that?

James:  (Laughing) Well, you know Palestine the ever generous Alexander the Great is the name that was bestowed on Israel when he conquered Israel. Actually Israel surrendered you know they saw that the Phoenicians were going down and the expedient thing to do is to just say okay big boy.  But anyway so when Alexander took over in about 330 BC he names it Israel, Palestine.  Named after Philistines, arch rivals of the Israelis at the time of David 1000 BC; now the Philistines lived down in the Gaza area.

Sid:  Oh this is too good to rush – we’re out of time today we’ll pick up here on tomorrow’s broadcast.