Sid: I have to tell you on yesterday’s broadcast Steve Hill was sharing how God took him out of the deathbed. He was in fact, Steve what did the Hospice workers say to you just before you said “Enough is enough?”

Steve: No they were just doing their job okay and I’m real careful about using name of organizations, but that’s fine, the bottom line is that it was over alright they’d been there done that and they knew.

Sid: How much time did they say that you could live?

Steve: Just a few days

Sid: That’s what I thought. You know there’s something about even though you had been prayed for by the best, even though you had prayed for all you were worth, even though you’ve seen 100’s of 1000’s of miracles of people with cancer, people on their deathbed, but there was something about you reached a point and you said “I’m going off of all medications, all of the radiation, and the chemo and all of these things.” It took you months to get that out of your system. It was gradual you explain that, but how does a doctor explain you have the amount of energy you have right now?

Steve: Let me tell you what I prayed to the Lord and some people that are listening you think I’m super spiritual “I am extremely spiritual but during this time I was not having two and three hour devotions with the Lord.  I couldn’t even, I couldn’t read the Bible, I couldn’t understand television, I called my wife if you were listening to yesterday’s broadcast I called her George.  And her name is Jerry.  And I was gone and so I prayed a prayer Sid I said “Jesus” it doesn’t look good, if you let me live I’ll tell You what I’m going to do I will win another million people to you; now Lord if I die I’m with You and that’s really to die is gain the Bible says Jesus.”  And I was just talking to Him He was just, Jesus in me alone.  And friend listener, you got to get to a place where it’s you and Jesus alone where it doesn’t it not somebody else interpreting everything you’re talking to Jesus.  And I said, “If You let me live” and He knew I wasn’t talking about a million more you know choir members. He knew I was talking about radical, radical evangelism that I’d win people to Him that have never ever known the Lord.  And that’s what we’re doing.

Sid: Okay, you have the energy level that you have I know few people that can do what you’re doing right now. God obviously took you up on that and you’ve got your work cut out for you are you’re going to make a million Steve Hill’s; that’s what I believe God wants you to do.  And so Steve the reason I contacted you is I heard about the open vision; tell me about it.

Steve: Just a few weeks ago I was sitting in my living room all alone and I start talking to Jesus. As I was talking to the Lord something happened that I never had happen before in my life.  He instructed me to close my eyes and He began, the only way I can say this is in modern day lingo is he downloaded a full color vision into my spirit about what’s going on in the western church, and how it’s spreading all over the world, and how I have been saved from death to help stop this avalanche of false teaching.  Let me go one step further, as we talk about this vision many that are listening and you’re going to understand this so well, “You’re going to see yourself in this vision and in the book,” Sid you are called to blowup this avalanche.  And an avalanche is piling up of snow, it can be a foot, two feet, four feet, five feet but it piles up.  And when it piles up if it’s not destroyed it’s going to come down the mountainside and kill everything in its path.  And what is happening right now so much false teaching is piling up, one on top of the other that if we don’t do something about it it’s going to come sweeping down on innocent Christians who have been listening and partaking of this candy, of this food that is actually poison and they’re going to be spiritually killed. I speak to you audience and I speak to you Sid as one whose experiencing that right now because the vision is online, it’s out there.  People are calling, people are away from God they’re asking me to forgive them, they’re asking Jesus to forgive them, they see themselves as one of those that is being destroyed by the teaching of today. I just know without a doubt that this is an open vision and I can talk about that from the Lord.

Sid: Okay, I want you to explain to me what you saw step by step.  Now I know that there is no way we can handle anything close to everything you saw in the teaching and that’s why we’re going to be offering your brand new book that’s not in the bookstores yet called “Spiritual Avalanche” and your 5 CD’s I want everyone to be mentored by Steve Hill to move in the supernatural, and the 5 CD’s are titled “Operating in the Miraculous.” So tell me about that vision Steve.

Steve: For those that are listening and I say that quite often with radio broadcasts and television, I’ve been doing radio and television like you Sid for many, many decades.  You can watch or listen but not be watching and listening. For those that are listening you will understand this word avalanche when you see the book you see the bedded predominate word; it’s going to jump out at you.  Not the spiritual but the avalanche that could kill millions, okay avalanche is what I saw.  And I’m just going to give it to you very quickly so listen, as I was sitting in my chair on my couch the Lord started giving me a full picture of a ski resort.  Now I am a skier I’m a downhill skier, my whole family is so I understood the places if you live in America like Avail Colorado, and Aspen, and some of these resorts they’re all Breckenridge there all just beautiful villages.  Swiss looking chalet’s and that’s exactly what I saw.  I saw people running around laughing having a great time and the details are all in the book and I saw so many details.  And then the Lord began to reveal to me as the people went to their homes to go sleep, went to their condos, they went to their chalets they went to their hotels the Lord showed me there was a group that was not going to the hotels and that was the avalanche patrol they were on full alert because it was about to snow.

Sid: Well, I’ll tell you the thought that that’s coming to me, sounds to me like you’re describing the days of Noah; that’s what you’re describing they were marrying, they were working they were doing every…they were busy with the activities of this life and they didn’t know that that avalanche was going on.

Steve: I hope I have a couple of minutes because this is what I saw.  The ski patrol mounted helicopters, ski mobiles and then one group actually operating antitank artillery they set it up on the streets.  Now remember I’m watching this, I’ve never seen this in my life and they began going up the hill, they began sticking dynamite into the mountain.  They began blowing up the mountain from the helicopters, then they began shooting shells, massive shells from those artillery guns into the mountains and they were blowing up the avalanche knowing that in just a few hours if they didn’t do their job then skiers who had come to just enjoy life would die.  Now spiritually if we don’t do our job as prophets, evangelists, as teachers, pastors; if we don’t do our job then who is going to destroy the avalanche of false teaching that’s going to come down the hill and kill millions of people.  It’s already killing millions, I’m on the phone almost every day with young people that are saying “I’ve got to get out of here, I’ve got to get out of here.”  My own daughter Sid was taught two weeks ago that now that now that she’s a Christian she can do anything she wants, she can sin, she can go to bed with her boyfriend, she can do drugs, she can drink because she’s a Christian and she’s saved and nothing is going to separate her from God.  And I want to tell you something nothing more will separate you from God then that type of teaching because only the holy will see the Lord.

Sid: Well, again there is no way we can cover everything that’s why they’re going  to need the book.  But I can tell you that God has put in my heart even before I talked with you and saw the vision a lot of this false teaching it’s rampant.  It’s literally an avalanche right now; you can’t watch most Christian TV and listen to most Christian radio without hearing some of this teaching coming out.  Now unfortunately we’re out of time but we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.

Sid:  I can’t think of a better time to be alive; I can’t think of a better time to have intimacy with God, everything is about ready to happen. The thing that all of the prophets and all of the believers before us have been praying and fasting for this is the generation that is going to see it. The spiritual scales are literally coming off of the eyes of Jewish people; Israel is a modern day nation. The nations of the world are trying to come against Israel and destroy it, they won’t be able to because God says in Amos once He draws the Jewish people back to the land no one will ever drive them out again. Doesn’t mean there won’t be problems, but I tell you Israel is a Jewish nation getting ready to welcome the King. You and I have been given the high privilege, the high privilege of preparing the body, of promoting the kingdom of God; in order to do this the New Covenant church is deficient without the Jewish branches being grafted back into the olive tree. That’s why Paul said “Salvation has come to the Gentile” this is Romans 11:11 “to provoke the Jew to jealousy.” The call of the Gentile Christian is to reach the Jew; the call of the Jew was to reach the Gentile so that we are all equal in the Messiah. This is it.  I have on the telephone Ayelet and Sean Steckbeck. Ayelelt… they’re a perfect One New Man couple. Ayelet is sabra, a native born Israeli, Sean comes from a Gentile Christian background and the 2 have become one. We found out the amazing testimony of Ayelet where literally human agency didn’t lead her to God, Jesus Himself, the Holy Spirit, led her to know the Messiah. So she was so hungry for God she heard about a revival and she literally went to this revival for 3 months in Brownsville in around the year 2000.  She was at a meeting in which Sean, who became her husband, was… Sean was a waiter in a restaurant and a woman argued with the Holy Spirit and finally said “Okay.” So she went into the restaurant and had a word for Sean. What did she say to you?

Sean:  She came up to me and she said “I don’t know you but I was on a 40 day fast and the Lord told me to walk into this restaurant, and the young that would be my server has a call to Israel.” So she told me this, and I was like “Okay I believe in prophecy; I’ve been prophesied over before, but never anything like this.” At first I thought it was a little weird, but I said “Okay, I’m gonna test this.” She invited me over to her house. So I went over to house the next day, and I knocked on the door and there was that girl that I saw at the Israeli prayer flag that I thought she was really cute praying.

Sid:  This is Ayelet and of course, for those that didn’t hear, you had known the Messiah most of your life; you’ve walked with Him, and you hadn’t even kissed a woman before. So now you didn’t think in terms of marriage, you just thought “Well she’s a cute girl,” but then you get this prophetic word about Israel, then what happens?

Sean:  When she saw me in the door, coming to the door, the Lord told her…

Sid:  Ayelet, wait a second. Ayelet what did you hear from the Lord?

Ayelet:  I heard the Lord say “This is your husband.” It was pretty clear, but I remember my first response was “Okay I need to check this word.” [Laughing]

Sid:  [Laughing]

Ayelet:  So I didn’t tell him that until a year or so later when he already came to Israel to propose.

Sid:  Well Sean what took you so long? [Laughing]

Sean and Ayelet:  [Laughing]

Sean:  Well I wasn’t, you know, I’d just been going after God my whole life and you know I wanted to just test this word. She gave me Hebrew lessons, and she began to be my Hebrew teacher because she said she believed in my call to Israel. In one of the prayer meetings she laid hands on me and prayed the Aaronic Benediction and anointed my right ear lobe, my right thumb, and my right toe like they did to the Aaronic priest, and I felt like it was like a hot liquid fire coming from the top of my head to the soul of my feet. I really felt like the Lord confirmed that I was called to Israel right then and there. Then she left, and I never told her I loved her, and she never told me she loved me, but we kept in touch as friends. Until a year later after I met her, I had already graduated the school. I worked a job in the factory, and I called her up and I said “Ayelet would you like to take our relationship further?”  She said “I’ve been praying for the Lord to give you the guts to ask me that, but there is only one thing you need to know. I am not called to live in America, I’m called to live in Israel.”

Sid: [Laughing]

Sean:  “If you want to marry me, if in condition that you live in Israel and you have to check it out before you even make that decision.” So six months later I saved up and came to Israel stayed there for a couple of months and there I proposed. We came back to America, we got married because a Jewish person is not allowed to marry a Gentile in Israel. So then we came back to Israel to serve God.

Sid:  Now before we find out the exciting thing God has for both of you doing in Israel, and to me it’s high adventure. I want to hear a little bit in reference to when Ayelet you were taken up in the spirit and you saw the Holy of Holies, and the Ark of the Covenant. What did you see in the Ark of the Covenant?

Ayelet:  That was when I just got saved and I was still, you know, just came out of the Orthodox teachings. My question before I saw that was “If I didn’t receive the teachings of the rabbis as the Torah, the oral Torah, how can I accept the New Testament as Torah?” Then the Lord took me in the Spirit into the Holy of Holies and when the Ark of the Covenant opened up I saw the Tenach, the Old Testament, and the Brit Hadashah, the New Testament. So it settled in my Spirit that was divine from God.

Sid:  Tell me about, obviously your parents are Jewish, and I didn’t realize it, is your whole family from Brazil?

Ayelet:  My dad is from Brazil he was raised in Brazil.

Sid:  He had a serious heart problem, what happened?

Ayelet:  Right. He had, not this Rosh Hashanah, but the Rosh Hashanah before in the Jewish New Year. They took him to the hospital with his arteries clogged, but they couldn’t treat him through the holidays so he had to wait in the hospital. So we went… Sean and I we went to pray for him, we laid our hands on his heart and we prayed, of course in Yeshua’s name. The next day when they took the video camera to check his arteries, all his arteries were completely open, more than a few years ago when he had the same condition.

Sid:  Two weeks after what happened?

Ayelet:  He prayed to accept Yeshua, and he loves Yeshua, yeah.

Sid:  Now Sean, tell me a bit about what you 2 do in Israel.

Sean:  We do evangelism, first of all we were youth leaders in Tel Aviv for 2 years; helped raise up a youth group there, and helped raise up its leaders and release them. Train up the Israeli’s in the power of God, native born, indigenous, sabra, Hebrew speaking Israelis. We really strongly believe now is the time to see Hebrew speaking Israeli’s come to the faith.

Sid:  Okay, are you seeing… of course you haven’t been there that long, but I can tell you it’s highly unusual for an Israeli to come to the Lord every week. I’m told in some congregations this is what’s going on.

Sean:  Yes in our home congregation where we were youth leaders, we had in the last 3 years we’ve had an Israeli native born, Hebrew speaking come to Yeshua every single week. This is absolutely outstanding because before 3 years ago this was unheard of, and that is one of the reasons we really see a need to disciple these indigenous Israelis and see them start winning people to the Lord, them start being used in the power of God praying for the sick and seeing words of knowledge, and words of wisdom, and healing. We really believe that now is the time to release the indigenous Israelis because now we are beginning to see them come in at such a level that we believe it’s important for them to be the leaders.

Sid:  Now I understand you have a unique gift, that when you speak many times the prophetic starts operating on the people listening, explain.

Sean:  This is actually… well I’ve always believed in the prophetic, and we talk a lot about Israel in the churches when we come to America. Just recently this past time, I don’t know what happened, it just started happening but I started getting lots of words of knowledge and just started calling them out. We are beginning to see healing come with those words of knowledge. To me it’s been kind of an adventure because it was something I wasn’t used to. It’s been like…

Sid:  Tell me one thing you’ve seen from a word of knowledge.

Sean:  I just tell you what happened in a church I had spoken in Tampa. There was a church that had invited me to speak in Tampa about Israel, and afterwards that invited me to give them… help with something that is called a Prophetic Presbytery, a room where everyone gets together and starts prophesying over people.  I was with a team of 4, and every single person that came in everybody had prophetic words, but for some reason the Holy Spirit gave me words of knowledge. One person I got a word of knowledge for him, and I said “You have a shoulder problem” and he said “Yeah.” I said “The Lord is healing that right now” and I laid hands on him. He turned as red a tomato, I’ve never seen anything like it his face was like plum red. He started heating up and taking off his clothes. It happened to be that he had a bus hit him, and the doctors had to take muscles out of his shoulder.

Sid:  Bottom line, was he healed?

Sean:  The Holy Spirit restored muscles in his shoulder.

Sid:  Okay, we’ll pick up here on tomorrow’s broadcast.

SID: Now Chester, God revealed to you a super stronghold, and I can’t wait for you to explain it.

CHESTER: It was amazing. We had been ministering, applying the integrated approach we had been talking about. One day we’re ministering to this lady and I said, “You’ve got these three different things, shame, fear and control, and they’re working together in a very major way, and I don’t understand it, but I know it’s really important.” And says to me, “How does it work?” And I said, “I just told you, I don’t understand.” And then I heard come out of my mouth, “Because of abandonment we get ashamed, shamed and rejected, and we think there’s something the matter with me.” That’s the basics of shame. And then out of the shame we get fearful. Well what if other people find out about my inadequacies, stuff like that. And we get a place to control them that I’m not going to let them find out. And so we put up walls. We get aggressive. We turn inward. Lots of ways.

SID: When you have a group and you’re teaching this, and you say, how many think that this is affecting you? What percentage would say that?

CHESTER: Well I usually don’t ask them that way because it’s shaming to admit that you have shame.

SID: Sorry.

CHESTER: So it’s an issue. But as we minister to people, we estimate over 80 percent in the United States are what we call shame-based.

SID: And if someone doesn’t get rid of it, what’s going to happen with their destiny from God?

CHESTER: Well certainly hindered, may be preventive. I mean, it’s really serious stuff. And as we see people get free of that super stronghold of shame, fear and control, and get released to where they can be led by the Holy Spirit and no longer in fear, you know, I’m afraid to take a risk, did you notice the Christian life requires taking a risk?

SID: That’s my middle name.

CHESTER: Yeah. And what if we can’t do it, you know? If we’re held back we’re not going to fully fulfill our destiny.

SID: Well tell me, actually, I got an email today and I believe that God has an answer for this from the two of you. Here it says, “I watch Sid regularly. I often times hear him saying, ‘someone with a back pain is being healed, someone struggling with depression is being healed, etc., etc.’ Has Sid ever felt anyone being healed from homosexuality? Is that even possible? I have never seen a single anointed person or pastor ever even mention a healing from it. Is that because no one wants to talk about it or does it not happen? I know many people, including myself, who have prayed about it and gotten not even a hint of a response from God. I’m not asking for resources. I’m asking if you have a clear understanding and message for me, maybe from a past experience.” Well I can tell you, we have interviewed people that have spent a lifetime in homosexuality and a lifetime being married, happily, to a woman, a man married to a woman with children. What is your experience?

BETSY: Well we have experience of helping people come out of homosexuality.

SID: Tell me one.

BETSY: Okay. I want to tell you one that really was supernatural. Sometimes they’re a process. Sometimes they just happen. This was a young, attractive man in his probably 30s who had been gay as long as he could remember. He had prostituted himself many years and he was in the middle stages of HIV positive. So he was not looking at a very bright future. And we were ministering to him, and first he recommitted his life to the Lord.

CHESTER: And we helped him get really serious about his healing. This is not a game of playing with God. This is serious business. So we took him to the integrated approach and did everything we knew to do.

BETSY: And God had begun to heal his heart of a lot of deep rejection, wounds by his father and some sexual abuse wounds. And then Chester, remember that day that we just stood there with our hands on his shoulders and just cried out to the Lord and said, “Lord, we don’t have anything else. Please come and just touch this man.” And we were just praying in our prayer language. And all of a sudden we saw these tears rolling down his face, and we saw him kind of expand his chest. Do you remember what he said?

CHESTER: Yeah. He said, “I feel fuller, solider and I want to go be with the guys, but not like the past. I want to just be with the guys.” And in that instance God changed his spirit from the feminine demonic influence he had to masculine.

SID: What happened to his HIV?

CHESTER: He got worse.

BETSY: He got worse.

CHESTER: He kept getting worse.

BETSY: A year later, we went down in the city that he lived. He was at a AIDS patient home preparing to die, and we went to say goodbye and pray for him one last time. And he said, “You know something. I’m going to declare the goodness of the Lord every breath to my last breath.” And we said, “Go for it. You know, we have a good God.” And he did. And little by little, God healed him. And he is alive today. Hallelujah.

SID: Chester, there are many people dealing with shame. Please pray for people to be free of shame right now.

CHESTER: Just pray with me. And the first step is, Lord, I acknowledge that I’ve allowed shame to control my life and that I have a shame-based personality.

SID: Lord, I acknowledge that I’ve allowed, say this with me, Lord, I acknowledge that I have had a shame-life and that I have allowed the enemy to access me.

CHESTER: Lord, I confess all the sins of my ancestors.

BETSY & SID: Lord, I confess all the sins of my ancestors.

CHESTER: Parents.

BETSY & SID: Parents.

CHESTER: All the authority figures in my life.

BETSY & SID: All the authority figures in my life.

CHESTER: Everybody that has sinned against me.

BETSY & SID: Everybody that has sinned against me.

CHESTER: That would cause me to give place to this shame.

BETSY & SID: That would cause me to give place to this shame.

CHESTER: I forgive them all, Lord.

BETSY & SID: I forgive them all, Lord.

CHESTER: Lord, I ask you to forgive me now.

BETSY & SID: Lord, I ask you to forgive me now.

CHESTER: As I have forgiven them.

BETSY & SID: As I have forgiven them.

CHESTER: Lord, I choose to forgive myself.

BETSY & SID: Lord, I choose to forgive myself.

CHESTER: For all the stupid things I’ve done.

BETSY & SID: For all the stupid things I’ve done.

CHESTER: To enhance this shame.

BETSY & SID: To enhance this same.

CHESTER: And give it place in my life.

BETSY & SID: And give it place in my life.

CHESTER: I break my covenant with shame.

BETSY & SID: I break my covenant with shame.

CHESTER: With fear and with control.

BETSY & SID: With fear and with control.

CHESTER: I dismiss all the demons I’ve given legal rights to.

BETSY & SID: I dismiss all demons I’ve given legal rights to.

CHESTER: I command you to leave me and my family line.

BETSY & SID: I command you to leave me and my family line.

CHESTER: Lord, renew my mind now.

BETSY & SID: Lord, renew my mind now.

CHESTER: Let me see myself as you see me.

BETSY & SID: Let me see myself as you see me.

CHESTER: And Lord, I trust in the coming days.

BETSY & SID: Lord, I trust in the coming days.

CHESTER: You’ll come and heal all the hurts in my heart.

BETSY & SID: You’ll come and heal all the hurts in my heart.

CHESTER: That have given place to shame.

BETSY & SID: That’s given place to shame.

CHESTER: Lord, tonight.

BETSY & SID: Lord, tonight.

CHESTER: I declare war on shame.

BETSY & SID: I declare on shame.

CHESTER: I will not stop the war.

BETSY & SID: I will not stop the war.

CHESTER: Until I’m totally free.

BETSY & SID: Until I’m totally free.

CHESTER: In Jesus’ name.

BETSY & SID: In Jesus’ name.

CHESTER: Amen.

BETSY & SID: Amen.

BETSY: Thank you Lord.

Sid: I am so excited about my guest he’s been a guest before, Dr. Robert Heidler. I’m featuring his book “Set Yourself Free” it’s actually the most practical deliverance manual I’ve ever seen. If I had interviewed him 10 years ago I don’t think I could have been as excited because 5 years ago the Holy Spirit began to show him how simple deliverance is. How you can at the specific sin areas; how people can repent and how it doesn’t have to be messy, or complex. In fact, Robert I have a copy of your book right here, and I’m looking at page 84; you talk about a subject called “Spiritual Pollution.” What is Spiritual Pollution?

Robert: Well Spiritual Pollution Sid is when things come into our homes, come into our lives that have demonic powers attached to them. The Bible says there are things that can actually pollute our spiritual environment. When those things are present then we live under the oppression of the enemy just because of the presence of those things in our lives…

Sid: I’m reading in your book right now; you list them of course because most people wouldn’t even realize it that they can be objects used in pagan worship, or occult practices such as crystal balls, Ouija boards, things related to astrology, good luck charms, objects exalting or promoting evil like demonic or occultic games. People can really get into bondage with games such as Dungeons and Dragons, is that correct?

Robert: Oh definitely, definitely.

Sid: Then you list things in New Age… also I like the idea of these symptoms. If you have the book handy you might want to read from page 84.

Robert: Yes here’s some of the things that happen we experience when we have spiritual pollution. It can be continual bad dreams and nightmares, insomnia, lack of peace, a lot of fighting and arguing in the family; Children are restless, disturbed, have a lot of behavioral problems; People see ghosts or demonic apparitions in the home; there’s foul unexplained odors; there’s just a heaviness in the atmosphere that makes it hard to breath; there’s on going unexplained illness, continual headaches and nausea.  Now some of the things can be caused by other things, but when you begin to see those things one of the first thing to check is to see if there is spiritual pollution in the house.

Sid: Now I read a few, but tell me a few of the things that… give me some examples of what might be spiritual pollution in the house.

Robert: Well one of the most common things is people by literally idols that have been made as objects of worship for a false god, and they buy them to decorate their homes with.

Sid: Well for instance I see a lot of these mask people pick up in Africa and they put on the wall. Those are for tourist or could they carry a demonic presence?

Robert: Oh they very often do, and it’s amazing most malls today, you walk through the malls, and their home décor shops filled with idols; Buddhas, and statues of various gods masks. People don’t realize that very often they are bringing spiritual forces into their home and it produces desolation in the home. You know Daniel talks about the abomination that produces desolations. Very often the presence of an idol or an object like that will produce spiritual desolation.

Sid: What should someone do that they say “Oh I do have that prob…” What about someone that used to be addicted to pornography and has a bunch of pornographic literature in one of their dresser drawers?

Robert: Well that’s another example, it can be objects related to past sin, We did a teaching on this at our church several; we said “We’re gonna give you opportunity to get rid spiritual pollution.” We had some friends that lived out in the country, and we had people search their homes for any spiritual pollution and we ended up with a huge huge stack of things. Made a bonfire that was about 6ft high and about 15ft across, it was amazing how many things were there. People came out of that thing “We are so free, that was wonderful to get those things out of our house.”

Sid: Now you list objects exalting, or promoting evil; includes things such as posters or CD’s with obvious demonic representations. I mean a lot of teenagers have this; books on Satanism, witchcraft, New Age, Free Masonry. Free Masonry?

Robert: Oh definitely.

Sid: Have you seen people that were set free as a result of repenting from being involved in Free Masonry?

Robert: Oh yes. In the area of the country we’re in that is very common for people to have that in their ancestry, for people to have that many many times in their own lives. They’ll be… you know when a person joins the Free Masons at every level they go into there are very specific curses that they give over themselves and over their descendants if they don’t continue in Free Masonry. So they’re literally putting curses on themselves…

Sid: Now when these curses are broken what difference could it make to a person as far as their freedom?

Robert: There are many many different kinds of things that are produced by that spiritually, and when those things are dealt with the oppression is broken. My wife is really the deliverance minister, but she’s shared with me many times of people that go through the specific steps that were taken and renouncing each step.

Sid: Now when you say there were curses, what kind of curses are in Free Masonry?

Robert: Oh there are some dreadful things about, [Laughing] there are some I would not want to repeat on the air, but literal ways of torture and destruction being brought into someone. When those things are dealt with it literally is the breaking of a curse, then people that were living under a curse are set free.

Sid: Now you were talking earlier this week about a woman by the name of Connie. Take me step by step in her deliverance.

Robert: I think hers is one of the clearest that I’ve ever seen, and it was also one of the most traumatic. As I said she was a strong Christian, she loved the Lord, she served the Lord, she was a wife and a mother, she was involved in ministry, but she had a debilitating problem. The problem was literally for a space of about 2 years everyday she had debilitating headaches. They would usually come on in the afternoon, she would have to go and lay down for 2 or 3 hours, literally could not do anything because of the severity of these headaches. She had been to doctor, after doctor, after doctor no one could find a cause, no medicines would work. So finally she came and said “Do you think this could have a spiritual solution?” We began to talk, and the first thing I wanted to see was what was the cause, was there something at the root of this that gave Satan an opportunity. I said “Do you remember when the headaches began?” She said “I remember exactly the day they began.” She said “Our family was going through a time there was a lot tension, we were very busy, it was very stressful, and my husband’s employer was putting some very unreasonable demands on his time. There was one day when his employer called and gave him an assignment that was so unreasonable in its demands.” She said “I just lost my temper, I got furious with that man.” She said “That day the headaches began.” I said “Well you know an outburst of anger like that is sin. That is something that gives the enemy an opportunity to come in and find a place.” I said “Have you ever forgiven your husband’s boss for what he did?” She said “No I never have.” I said “Would you be willing to pray right now and forgive him?” We talked for a few minutes and finally she said “Yes I would be willing to pray and forgive him.” So I led her in a very simple prayer, very specifically forgiving that man and releasing her anger. With that done I then took authority over that spirit of infirmity, I bound it I broke its power, and I commanded it cease and to leave her alone. The whole process did not take more than 20 minutes. That was, as I said about 5 or 6 years ago, and I ran into her last year, I see her from time to time. Every time I see her I say “Anymore headaches?” and she says “I have not had one headache since the day that we prayed.”

Sid: Why is it that so many Christians are afraid of deliverance?

Robert: Their afraid of deliverance partly I think because it deals with something they don’t understand. The idea of a demon sounds very frightening, something that’s very intimidating. Yet we look at the ministry of Yeshua and He cast out demons everywhere He went. It was one of the most common things He did. The other thing is because of the model of deliverance people have seen, and people are afraid if they get deliverance their gonna have to talk in strange voices and curse and roll around on the floor, be embarrassed, it’s a very intimidating thing. It amazes me how many people are willing to come for deliverance with the fear they have of what might happen to them. Yet what we’ve seen people don’t have to go through any of that, we don’t usually talk to demons, we don’t usually let demons manifest. A person can sit in their living room and go through this book.

Sid: You know that’s the most amazing thing you don’t have to find an expert like Dr. Robert Heidler.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. You know, sometimes I kid with people and they say, I watch you on TV almost everyday. And I say, well, I’ll tell you a trade secret. I’m watching you through your television. They don’t know what to make. I’m just kidding, you know. However, my guest has spent 30 years studying the Mark of the Beast, and he says our computers and our television sets have the capability for anyone from the government on down, at will, whether they’re turned on or not to watch what we’re doing right in our office, right in our home. This technology is getting out of control. I’m with my guest Paul McGuire. You might have seen him on Fox News, O’Reilly, History Channel on one of the top viewing shows. But as a young man, he had quite a background. You were raised to hate Christians. You thought the answer was in science and new age. So you go out to the University of Missouri where you’re really debating Christians and you’re going to put them in their place. Guess what his major was? You’ll never guess. I shouldn’t have said guess. His major was altered states of consciousness. That’s a major? And he’s in class one day, and he hears a voice. What does the voice say to you?

PAUL: It was an audible voice, which said, “Surrender to the dark forces within.”

SID: And what did you do about that?

PAUL: I freaked out. I never heard an audible voice before, and I looked around to see if anybody had heard it.

SID: Okay. So he’s tearing these Christians apart, but their love is kind of contagious. So he goes to a retreat meeting and he decides, oh no, they’re all hypocrites. I’m leaving this place. But he doesn’t have a car. So he hitchhikes. Tell me about your adventure.

PAUL: Well right after the religious retreat, which confirmed my worst suspicions about Christianity being a country club religion, the place looks like the “Field of Dreams,” the movie with cornfields in the middle of nowhere. I stick out my thumb on my road. A Pentecostal preacher and his wife pick me up in their car. And being from New York City, I said, okay, great, we’re in the cornfields, and there’s probably a lot of Pentecostal preachers nearby. They share with me the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Then they let me out on the road again. I stick out my thumb again. Within seconds, a station wagon pulls up. It’s a guy in a dark three-piece suit like an undertaker. He’s a Bible salesman.

SID: Does he have any Bibles in his car?

PAUL: Yes. He has, I don’t know, a hundred King James Bibles. You know, the big thick ones.

SID: Oh, I know.

PAUL: So he’s driving down the back roads of Missouri. He lets go of the steering wheel. It looked like a 65-pound King James Bible. He’s looking at me, not the freeway, and he’s preaching, and he gets right down to it. He says, “Did you know that you’re a sinner and that if you don’t accept Jesus Christ into your life you’re going to go to Hell, and you need to be born again.” And that basically was it. I’m from New York. I didn’t even believe in the word “sin”. That was an archaic concept. And he says, “You want to pull off the road and say a sinner’s prayer?” And I said, yeah. But inside my mind, I’m going, great. He’s a religious ax murderer pervert. He’s going to chop my head off before he does whatever and bury me in the bushes and say a couple of prayers over me. So I prayed with him. It was a real short prayer, Jesus Christ, forgive me of my sins. I asked him to come into my life and make me born again. So I forgot about it.

SID: So then a few days later, he’s in New York. He’s at a place called The Lamb’s Club. Briefly, what occurred?

PAUL: What happened was I was discussing my experience with people who had been witnessing to me. And as I was sharing this hitchhiking experience, a girl who we had never met before came over to me and said, “I couldn’t help but overhearing your conversation.” She said, “I’m a minster’s daughter. I was wrestling with these same questions, ‘Is Jesus Lord?’” And for some reason she looks right at me, and she says, “Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God?” And I had never said this before, but the words blurted out of me: “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” At that moment, the sky cracked open and I saw God, not in the physical sense, but a spiritual sense. And I knew instantaneously that all the cosmic consciousness, astral projection, altered states of consciousness, all that stuff was illusions and false, and I knew that Jesus Christ was the Son of God, instantaneously.

SID: That is God. Now what happens next is so amazing because he then devotes his life to studying prophecy and studying what’s going on in the world. And then God starts giving him supernatural dreams to direct his research. Tell me a few things you found out about the one world currency.

PAUL: Well first of all, I do a tremendous amount of research from mainstream sources. It has to be documented. It has to be credible. Number two, is I studied Bible prophecy, and the Old Testament and the New Testament. But the third component is I do research where the Holy Spirit leads me and guides me into specific areas of research. So as I’m researching this I notice that in the Old Testament the Tower of Babel or Babylon is the world’s first one-world government, one-world religion, one-world economic system. That’s clue one. Then I get into Revelation 13 and I read about the one-world government, the one-world economic system, one-world religion, a false prophet, the religious false prophet and the Antichrist. And then I see that in Revelation it talks about a global government and a global economic system, and you can’t buy or sell without getting the Mark of the Beast. And then I realize that everything that was predicted 2000 years ago is coming to life in this world now even as we speak.

SID: Give me one fact that will knock me out.

PAUL: Well one fact is that the international banking elite have planned for there to be a world currency by 2018. Now that doesn’t mean they’ll hit the date. The target date is 2018, and they intend to bring in a one-world currency called the Phoenix, which just happens to be the bird on the back of the dollar bill. That bird on the back of the dollar bill is not an eagle. It’s a phoenix.

SID: And what is a phoenix symbolic of?

PAUL: It’s an occult, ancient occult symbol that goes back to Phoenicia.

SID: So what is going to happen to our currency when there’s a new currency? I want to find out. How about you?

 

Sid: My guest is Misty Edwards and you know as I started doing research on how God has used you Misty.  She is Worship Leader of IHOP ministry, but you weren’t a musician you only knew a few chords how did you become a worship leader? Just knowing a couple of chords on the piano?

Misty: That is a great question and one I’ve asked myself many times.  I grew up in a musical family so I had a certain grid for music but I never really applied myself to it.  I wanted to become a lawyer I thought musicians were just kind of flaky, so I never really studied it. But when the House of Prayer started the International House of Prayer here in Kansas City we were determined to go 24 hours a day 7 days a week nonstop you know music, so all of our prayer is bathed on music.  And there was only about 50 of us at the time.

Sid: Now just out of curiosity when I think of prayer being religious my religious mind doesn’t have music I just think you just get down on your knees and you pray.  Where did all this music come from?

Misty: Well, in revelation you see the harp and the bowl around the throne you have the prayers of the bowl the incense which would be more the intercessory prayers as you just mentioned.  And the getting on your knees and just crying out; but then there is this mysterious element of the harp and the music.  And so what we thought to do we thought to make prayer sustainable.  And one of the ways to sustain prayer is by making it enjoyable.  And to make it enjoyable we discovered that music is one of the primary ways to actually make it sustainable and enjoyable.  You know that you can sing a worship song or two or three for an hour far easier than you can… then only pray. So what we’ve done is we combined the spoken prayers with the singing prayers and together we find that it’s sustainable.  Fourteen years later we’ve still been going day and night.

Sid: Okay let’s go back to how yes you were raised in a musical family but you were going to an attorney, you knew a couple of chords on the piano so how did you become a worship leader?

Misty: Yeah, well like I was saying you know we  had this nobility that we had signed up to do 24 – 7 day and night the fire on the alter cannot go out which we were defining on the bed of music.  So everybody was playing an instrument it was like “All hands on deck the fire could not go out.”  So I started doing just doing my two chords, I had about four or five worship songs you know I was building up to. Then I would just do spontaneous stuff just because I didn’t know anything.  So for two hours I would just sing, do spontaneous and I ended up doing that probably four to eight hours a day in those early years just because of raw need.  And after doing four to eight hours a day my skill level just got better and better and I leaned more chords and I got a few new songs. Just over time I became a Worship Leader it was never my intention it just kind of happened.

Sid: Okay but then I mean you’re moving into your calling for life and your just 19 years of age. How does a 19 year old cope with cancer?

Misty: Yes, I got diagnosed with cancer at 19 for the first time and it definitely jolted me, it jolted me, but it jolted me in a good way because you know it was a cancer that was growing in my leg.  And the doctor told me that at that time either I was going to lose my life because of the speed of which it was growing, or at best I was going to lose my leg.  So I was looking at an amputation or maybe even death. So all of those feelings you know from the time I was very little I had thoughts of eternity.  And now at 19 they were just coming rushing in on me like a flood.  So it was at this point in my life that I really determined I am going to know God; I am going to face death in the eye and I’m going to find my purpose beyond the grave.  And that’s the only way I could make sense of the life I’m living if it’s six months or if it’s 60 years. The only way I can make sense of it is the continuity of into eternity.  And so I looked God in the eye so to speak and just began a wrestling match about 19 and 20.

Sid: What about when someone gets cancer they look at every method, every formula that is ever worked for any person.  We’re you in that realm?

Misty: Yes we did you know I tried many options I was trying to avoid the medical option just because of the effects of chemotherapy and all of the side effects. Yeah, I looked at many different options and sought the Lord, I went forward for healing many many times.  We believed in healing and I believe that the Lord did give me a measure of healing, I still have my leg today so praise the Lord for that.  Yeah, I was searching for many many methods and having to go through chemotherapy I lost my hair just all of that for a 19 year old girl is a little bit overwhelming.

Sid: So between you and me, how come you didn’t lose your zeal?  How come you didn’t lose your faith when you’re saying “Here I am, selling out to you since a 5 year old. I’ve been a believer in You Lord, now get rid of this come on God!

Misty: I had to ask those questions, I had that wrestling in my heart but the thing is the options to walk away from Him there was no option. I felt so divinely hedged in. I mean what was I going to do there was just nothing but a black hole outside of God.  So to walk away from Him I felt complete despair.  So even though I felt like I was in a wrestling match with Him it was better to be in the fight with Him than to turn my back on Him.  That wasn’t even an option to me it was way too despairing.

Sid: Well, most people are demanding answers from God but you got to a point I guess of surrender; tell me about this song we’re going to play right now “Finally I surrender.”

Misty: Yeah, “Finally I Surrender” was written in a time in my life where I was in that wrestling match and you know I have a certain tenacity with God I hope He appreciates where I was just like “Answer Me!”  You know I feel like I was kind of in His face like “Answer me!”  And He answered me similar like He would have answered Job.  “Like were you there when I spread out the Heavens like a curtain, were you there when I said to the sea this far and no further?”  It was one of those kind of “I am God, and you are not,” and just pour out your soul.  And I found a sweetness in the surrender to His sovereignty and going “You know what I’m a person who loves understanding but I’m not always going to understand everything but I trust you anyway.”  And to trust Him in His sovereignty knowing His heart is for me was a powerful thing for someone who loves, whose analytical and loves understanding.

Sid: Let’s here “Finally I Surrender,” I believe there’s a message for you.

Misty: “Finally I Surrender.”

Sid: If you like that music the anointing, I mean all those hours of prayer and revelation on Misty.  Do you want your first love back? I know you do.  Do you want that fire back you had when you were first believer.  Do you want that hunger back when you first came to the Lord?  Do you want a hunger so much that you want to be in God’s presence and that hunger is going to lead to the experiences that God has for you in your life?

Sid:  Now I’m talking to Roy Fields, Roy is a Psalmist; he lives to worship God.  He feels God’s pleasure when he worships. If you’ve been listening Monday and Tuesday you can tell how authentic it is with Roy.  But Roy I’m going to take you back your 16 years of age you get a prophetic word that you’re going to go to Africa.  Well 2 years go by and did you kind of forget that word?

Roy:   Yeah, I did kind of actually. I was just you know a young teenager going through life and yeah. (Laughing)

Sid: And so you find yourself on a trip going to South Africa that changes your life forever.

Roy:   Oh yeah.

Sid: Tell me what happened.

Roy:   Well, my mother actually when I turned 18 had married a godly man. So a couple of things actually happened at that moment as my mother had a new husband and I had a new father.  And there was an opportunity from somebody in the church that’s from South Africa that he was going to Africa to Zimbabwe and I asked if I could come along and they didn’t even know about the prophesy or anything. And then the pastor reminded them about the prophecy. My stepfather actually paid for both of us to go.  And when I got there it’s so funny we talked about Reinhardt a little bit because I thought I was going to have these extraordinary meetings you know with thousands of people and when I got there we were in little villages with 50 people in most places.  And at the end of the two months of going through Africa and helping people and praying for them and you know worshiping and leading worship and preaching and everything. I missed my flight to come back to America. I was riding on Balkan Airlines, and this pastor called up this other guy I was with and said, “We want to invite Roy to come to our school if he’s here another week, which I was. And I went to this high and while I was there the headmaster which is the principal said “You can have meetings this entire week every night it’s up to the kids if they want to come it’s not going to be mandatory.  You might have 8 kids, you might have a couple of hundred and so the first night I had 8 kids (Laughing) they were all saved Sid, they all already accepted Jesus in their heart and I only had two scriptures at that time I preached which was I had John 3:16 and Galatians 2:20.  John 3:16 “For God so loved the world He gave His only Begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish he’ll have everlasting life.”  And Galatians 2:20 “I’ve  been crucified in Christ; it’s no longer I who lives but Christ who lives in me, and the life I live now I live by faith in the Son of God.”  And that was it Sid my whole sermon was over with I had already led a little bit of worship and I heard the Lord tell me, I could hear His voice it wasn’t audible I just knew it in my spirit, in my heart “Call somebody up who needs healing in their body.”  Well 7 of them out of the 8 came up.”

Sid: You don’t think that young kids need healing, that took a lot of nerve you probably figured maybe 1.

Roy:  Well, the fact that I had never moved in healing in my entire 18 years of life was probably another factor, yeah. So you don’t think that about kids, what’s your problem you know what “Do you got a cold or a sniffle you know.”  And no they came forward and come to find out some of them was emotional healing, some of them was depression you know for their lifestyle in Africa. And I’ll never forget picking up my hand and putting it towards this kid’s forehead like I watched other ministers before and I didn’t even know what to pray, so I just said “Lord let the same Holy Spirit that descended upon Jesus on the day of His baptism and His ordination let it come upon this man right now, this young man right now.”  And this kid flew across the room, I mean went right over the chairs.

Sid: So you were as shocked as he was and the other kids too, you all were shocked.

Roy: I almost didn’t want to pray for the next bunch of people because I didn’t know what that was, I didn’t even and the thing about it is nobody was with me, I was all by myself this other friend of mine was in Malawi. So I’m like “Oh my goodness.”  And then I got kind of excited after my fear left me and I went “I want to do this again.”  So I went to the second kid and I lifted my hand and said “Lift your hands and close your eyes”  and this was because I watched other ministers do this before, and I meant it from my heart. I just said “Lord let the same Holy Spirit that touched Jesus touch this man now in Jesus Name.”  And the kid went flying, the third kid and I tell this story this way, the third kid I went to pray for him and all of a sudden I started to prophesy out of my mouth about this kid was going to be in full time ministry as a student leader and that his finances were going to change.”  And the crazy thing is that two years later after I had left Africa and came back to America I received a letter from that kid that a church had hired him over 500 students and put him on staff and they were paying him a salary.

Sid: Was that the first time you prophesied?

Roy:    Oh yeah, yeah.

Sid: And the first time you prayed… now explain to me exactly what happened, you touched him and he went flying through the air, how far?

Roy:   I didn’t touch any of them, didn’t touch them,

Sid: You didn’t touch them.

Roy:   No, I was going to but before my hand could even get to their forehead the first kid went flying, the second kid the same thing and the third kid I went to…

Sid: Now when you say “Flying, describe that to me because I wasn’t there, what do you mean?”

Roy:  If you were to be thrown back, okay if you were thrown back and just push on a bunch of chairs, that’s what happened to this kid but I never touched him.

Sid: Now, were any people, any of the young kids healed?

Roy:  Yeah, well what happened is after I prayed for all 7 that one kid that didn’t come up was afraid, he was a little bit timid and scared, there was only 8 kids in this room. I just went up to him, he was sitting down, and I noticed his foot was turned in a little bit. I says “Are you okay buddy? Can I pray for you?” He said “I was a little nervous I didn’t want to come up front.” I said “Well let me pray for you right here.” I remember watching a minister take a young lady’s legs bring them up side by side and noticed that one was longer than the other. Well this kids foot was, it was kind of turned in, so of course his foot was going to be shorter than the other. I put my hands up underneath him and I said “In the name of Jesus I speak to every bone, every muscle, every ligament; I command you to line up with the word of God right now.” Well nothing happened then I had fear again, then I went “Oh my gosh.” Well maybe if I leave now nobody doesn’t know my name anyway so I’ll be okay. (Laughing)

Sid: (Laughing)

Roy: Then I went and prayed again and the kid went “Jesus please.” And when he did that in my hands I watched this kids foot crunch, snap and pop into place. All the other kids were standing around us now at this point and they screamed and he screamed and he got up and he ran around and we just sat there looking at this. The kid was completely healed.

Sid: Now the first night you had 8 people, how many did you have afterwards for the next meetings.

Roy:  This kid went running around the whole campus and when I had another meeting the next night 300 kids showed up because of that one little kid.

Sid: And what happened when the 300 showed.

Roy: Oh, my goodness that’s where things started changing.  I was late to the meeting the second night, all 300 of them, I didn’t have my guitar, I didn’t have a keyboard, I didn’t have a sound system Sid it was just my voice.  Right before I got to that auditorium, 300, just imagine 300 students rocking back and forth, I think some of those kids knew the song, Hallelujah and all 300 of them were sings “Hallelujah.”  You know the old Katherine Kuhlman song.

Sid: I do.

Roy:   I didn’t even preach that night I just walked in and said “Who needs healing in their body, who needs prayer?”  They all rushed the platform and we had to move out of the classroom into that auditorium because it just couldn’t hold that many kids.  And I started laying hands on everybody and they were falling out, I walked by 3 kids and they fell out without me even touching them, I didn’t even lay a hand on them.  And all of a sudden it grew again the next night there was like 500, and then it was like 700, and then by the last night we had 1000 students the entire student body and all the head mistress, headmaster, all the teachers were lined up along side of the walls and I was praying for all these kids. It was a revival

Sid: And were many delivered, healed, saved?

Roy:   Oh my goodness, yeah, people were you’d see young girls screaming and they would be delivered of demons coming right out of them.  And you know they have witch doctors over there Sid so they’d been like involved in all kinds of stuff that’s just really demonic and there were kids that where backs were healed…

Sid: I understand people were actually drunk in the spirit.

Roy: Oh yeah, yeah. (laughing)

Sid: Now, they have no paradigm for that, they’ve never seen anything like that before.

Roy:   No, no, no and to be honest with you I don’t think I had ever seen anything like that before. It was all fresh and brand new to me and I was just loving every moment of it because at one point I felt the Holy Spirit say “You know I’m doing this.”  And I said “Oh this is blowing my mind.”  I mean my relationship with God really started to grow, it really started to grow.

Sid: Well, I mean you never really thought that you would have a healing ministry I would imagine.

Roy:   No, I thought I’d sing songs the rest of my life

Sid: Well, speaking of singing sons I was so interesting in what you were saying we didn’t hear your music but it doesn’t matter everyone has heard the Spirit of God upon you and actually someone was just healed.  “Someone’s neck was just healed and someone’s back was just healed, there’s such an anointing even on us talking imagine what happens when he worships God with every fiber of his being.”  All these CD’s were done during revival the Spirit of revival is upon these CD’s.  People report the fire of God touching them, the love of God, breakthroughs they have such a hunger for God that develops within them.  Many people when they go to these meetings it’s contagious they develop a deep intimacy with God and that’s what you’re asking for, crying out for.

Sid: My guest Cris Putnam is co-author of the bestselling book “Petrus Romanus” the final Pope is here.  But I’ve been going through this new book that is ready to come out that we have available right now it’s not in the book stores yet called. “Exo-Vaticana.” This intrigues me no end but there’s a little bit of background that I want you to bring out.  Experts in Bible prophecy over 100 years ago saw what would be going on today in our culture which is setting the stage for the book that you’ve just written.  What did they see?

Cris: Well Sid what I was referring to is George Hawkins Pember who was a theologian in England around the turn of the century. He wrote a book called “Earth’s Earliest Ages and Their Connection With Modern Spiritualism and Theosophy.”  What he was looking at was Jesus made this reference to as in the days of Noah so will be the coming of the Son of Man.  Now he pulled out just 7 points where he saw parallels between the antediluvian, meaning the pre-flood civilization. You know the culture that he was living in you know at the turn of the century turning to the twentieth century. Now the emphasis as you look at Jesus’ teaching in that passage He’s really saying that people are just oblivious that the majority of population is just not paying attention to the signs.  And yet Noah, it says in the book of Hebrews that Noah was a preacher of righteousness.  The people ignored Noah and I can imagine that they ridiculed him for building an arc.

Sid: You know when I think about that of “It will be like the days of Noah in the last days” I think about morality, just sinking to zero level; that’s what most people think about but there’s a lot more to it isn’t there.

Cris: Yeah absolutely the seven parallels that Pember commented on were an over emphasis of God’s mercy at the expense of holiness.

Sid: Well, that sounds like the popular grace message today, but go ahead.

Cris:  Yeah absolutely and there’s a whole movement of pluralism that believing that all religions lead to God; you know that all religions are correct.  The expense of this holiness if people don’t want to hear a convicting message about sin people don’t want to believe in a literal place called Hell…

Sid: You know it’s going to extremes there was a time when holiness was preached and today they say “Well, so many people are turned off that we just want to do the positives rather than the negatives and a generation is being raised without understanding without holiness you will not see God.”

Cris:  Yeah, absolutely and you know the gospel is unintelligible without coming to the end of yourself you know without an admission that your fallen and sinful you know without that it’s not really even coherent to have a Savior you know you have to be saved from something for that to be you know an intelligible concept.

Sid: What were the other points that he raised?

Cris:  Well, the second one was a disregard for gender roles and the contempt for marriage.  Now he was commenting on this at the dawn of the 20^th century.  I don’t think he would ever even imagine you know the fact that we’re starting to legislate homosexual unions and people are calling that marriage.

Sid: Listen in my lifetime I can’t imagine the change that has occurred so quickly, I mean morality is “There is none” today and it’s getting worse.

Cris: Yeah it really is and the whole idea of relativism is so infiltrated the culture.

Sid: Now what does that mean relativism?

Cris: Well, this idea that morality is really just dependent on your opinion or your own feelings.  You hear the sort of nonsense like “Well, that’s true for you but it’s not true for me.  You know people will just…that’s just completely incoherent to even think that way because there is an absolute truth.  Which is what matches reality, it’s not an opinion and you know I think that people have abandoned this in this sphere of morality but there really are things that are good and evil.

Sid:  You know it goes back to Pontius Pilates question to Jesus “What is truth?”  Either there’s absolutes or there aren’t if there is not absolutes believe anything you want.  What were some of the other points?

Cris: Well, interestingly, the third point was how technology and entertainment entice man away from worshiping God. Again writing at the dawn of the twentieth century how much more so today then we have the internet and such a proliferation of mass media it’s hard to even keep track of it all.

Sid: I mean I go into restaurants and I don’t see people talking to each other anymore, they got their cellphones out or their iPads and they don’t even need someone at the table.  (Laughing)

Cris: That’s right and yet the thing that we have done is really dangerous is that we’ve embraced progress; we made an idol out of progress and we’ve defined progress as increased sufficiency and convenience.  Now you know those are the idols of America, you know we don’t really consider what we adopt a new technology we just don’t get the culture that you have plus the new technology.  The new technology radically changes the culture.  And you know it destroys what was there before.  I mean in a very real way things like texting that we are doing now are deconstructing the English language and it’s really nothing we can do about it once this sort of thing is in motion it’s pretty much a done deal.

Sid: What other things did he predict?

Cris:  Well, five was a vast population increase, and you know that is way beyond the sphere that he was imagining.  You know and that is a…it’s an issue for missions, for world evangelism as well, because you know you have such a population increase in some of these third world areas that it’s hard to keep up; especially with the unreached people groups.  So the sixth is the rejection of the prophetic warnings and preaching.  And that’s the most pertinent really to our discussion is that you know there’s so many signs, people that are you know that are familiar with Bible prophecy see what’s going on in Israel.  I mean things like the Arab Spring you know, there’s so many signs that you know it’s almost overwhelming I mean the general you know feeling in the prophetic community is that things are right on the edge.  Now the seventh idea that ever put forth was I’ll quote “The appearance upon earth of beings from the principality of the air and their unlawful intercourse with human race.”  Now when he’s talking about the principalities of the air that’s a reference to Ephesians chapter 2 where the devil is referred to as the prince of the principality of the air. Now what’s really interesting about that is that. Well the New Testament world view the realm of the demons is really the atmosphere between the earth and actually the moon is the way they really thought of it.  So when we’re dealing with the subject of unidentified aerial phenomenon and UFO’s and these sort of experiences that people are having it’s not really a stretch to posit these as demonic manifestations because the realm of demons in the New Testament world view is the sky.

Sid: You know what you’re saying reminds me of, the wheat and the tares that the parable, and Jesus said “Let the tares grow up.”  So what I’m hearing you say is that when we read the story about the ancient Nephilim where the sons of god cohabited with the human woman that that’s coming back.  Is that what you’re saying?

Cris:  Well, I think that there’s a lot of really compelling evidence that points to something like that going on. I mean in the study of UFO’s there’s several big named scholars who have studied the abduction phenomenon and have determined that it’s real.  Now one is Dr. John Mack who is a Harvard psychiatrist who wrote 2 very large volumes on the abduction phenomenon.  Now, Dr. Mack risked his career in academia to write this book on abduction and come out and say that he believed that absolutely something real was going on and that you know it wasn’t you know a mental illness of insanity that something was happening to these people. He really inferred strongly that it was largely a spiritual type of phenomenon.

Sid: Alright if the abductions are predominately spiritual are you talking about God or are you talking about the devil?

Cris:  Well, you know what we see in the abduction phenomenon is characteristically evil.

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Sid: We want everyone everywhere to have no limits; it’s time to take the limits off of God.  It’s time to proclaim that “It’s Not Over.” I have Ricardo Sanchez on the telephone and we’re talking about his amazing CD “It’s Not Over.”  But from a life experience he’s literally, God has giving him a ministry because everyone is dealing with one or more serious problems in their life.  And some feel they’re hopeless, but when people go to his concerts or hear his teaching supernatural hope is infused and things turn around.  Well how would you like a report your 9 year old son was in a diving accident in the swimming pool, and he has less than 1% to recover, his prognosis is to spend the rest of his life in a wheelchair; maybe a breathing tube, a breathing machine, the tube coming out of his neck.  So you get this report, you worship God, your oblivious to the people, did you feel a breakthrough at that time or you don’t know what you felt?

Ricardo:  Sid I wish I could say that on the airplane when I got the texts from my wife and the phone call that I believed in faith the whole time and that the plane got saved.  That just wasn’t my ending, that wasn’t, or my beginning I should say.  To be quite honest with you I responded quite naturally I was intimidated, I don’t like using the word fear because I have God “Whom shall I fear.”  So the word intimidated comes to mind, I felt like I was about to enter into this battle and I was very nervous and I was in the airplane and I just remember tapping into those old hymns “Amazing Grace,” “Oh the Blood of Jesus,” “Something About that Name.”  And that seemed to be the sliver of hope that I needed to allow the anointing of God, the Balm of Gilead to begin to flow and to begin to heal those areas.  Not just in my life but of my sons, my blood line, those that are carrying on my name and it was through that worship experience that the presence of God began to flow through.  And the song “It’s Not Over” again began to bubble up in my spirit and that’s where I felt it was in that moment of falling on my face in the terminal and crying out to God that the presence of God began to saturate my situation, begin to saturate.  I believe even though I was in Jacksonville I believe that at that very time God began to move in Atlanta, Georgia in my sons body, in the doctors hands, in the ex-rays in the prognosis.  I begin I believe Spirit of God begin to flow in our entire circumstance.

Sid: Now tell me what the firefighter said that loaded your son in the helicopter.

Ricardo: Hmm, Sid this firefighter who had been a firefighter for over 9 years he said “In my 9 years of experience I’ve never seen anybody whether it’s an adult or a young person sustain this kind of injury and ever survive.  So prepare your heart for the worse.

Sid: So although you couldn’t see anything with your eyes I believe that there was a major breakthrough that occurred when you were not ashamed of God, you didn’t care what man thought and you, right in the middle of the airport, you start worshiping your God with every fiber of your being.

Ricardo: Yeah.

Sid: I believe things started changing.

Ricardo: Sid, that’s a great way to describe it because that’s exactly what it was every fiber of my being; I was unashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ I needed God to move.  In those moments I heard it said “Adversity doesn’t build character but it reveals it.”  And Jesus said “What’s in a man comes out of man,” what they’re made of your character will be speak in those moments of desperation. For me when we heard that paramedic say that, Jeanette had told me this I had nothing left Sid it had emptied the tank, but in the midst of that I hit the floor and begin to worship God and just begin to cry out to Him and begin to ask for His Healing power to touch my son.

Sid: Tell me about the song we’re going to play right now “I’m Not Ashamed?”

Ricardo:  Well, it was kind of one of those moments, I has in Phoenix, Arizona at a concert my record label at the time had gotten us phenomenal seats to sit in about the tenth row.  As the artist is playing and singing there’s a young woman probably 23-24 years old dancing lifting her hands in the air and as a Pentecostal Worship Leader who believes in the Full Gospel I could obviously see she was speaking in tongues, lifting her hands praying in the Spirit.  Well there was a couple behind her that were mocking her, making fun of the way that she worshiped laughing mimicking her, mimicking her in mockery.  And what grabbed my heart as a Worship Leader is I saw this daughter of the woman that was worshiping just so enamored it was almost like her mother was teaching her how to worship.  And I thought “What an attack upon this young girl and her mother in a beautiful moment.”  And right when I was about to say something to this group of people who are making fun of that…you know my father’s a Retired Command Sargent Major in the United States Army and so right when my father’s voice was about to out of me to correct these people my wife nudged me, and the Spirit of God nudged my spirit at the exact same time God spoke to me.  And sometimes my wife and the Spirit of God are the exact same person to be quite honest.  But it was in that moment that God said “These people have no idea of what’s like to be fully dependent upon me for rent, for food, for sustaining life.  This woman is unashamed and could careless who’s watching her worship me.  And I remember going home that evening picking up my guitar and writing “I gonna Dance for You like nobody’s watching me.”

Sid: “I Am Not Ashamed” by Ricardo Sanchez.

Worship excerpt “I Am Not Ashamed”

Sid: Because Ricardo Sanchez was not ashamed God began to move from a 1% chance of survival his son.  I mean he had these pictures of his son being in a wheelchair his whole life, his son having a breathing tube coming out of his neck, a breathing machine.  But he had a breakthrough and I believe that the breakthrough that God has for you is…did you feel the anointing, the presence as Ricardo preaches and teaches about this.  And the presence of God on his music, that’s an anointing and that anointing will remove the limits God has.  I don’t care what problem you have, but as you listen to his CD “It’s Not Over,” and this book, and his teaching CD the anointing is going to cause the same breakthrough that occurred for Ricardo’s son that you’re about ready to hear in your life.  I don’t care whether it’s marriage, I don’t care whether it’s finances, I don’t care whether it’s health, I don’t care whether it’s a flat spirit of depression; I tell you it’s not over.”

Sid: My guest, Sharon Allen, she’s one of the 10 Jewish people that I put in my book “They Thought for Themselves.”  This is a book of 10 Jewish people from every walk of life from a Jewish concert pianist, to a Jewish Ph.D., to a Jewish mega millionaire, to Jewish people that are secular, Jewish people that are religious, but they had one thing in common, they thought for themselves, and they became believers in the Messiah. My guest this week is Sharon Allen, she has a fascinating story. She was raised in an observant Jewish home in New York City. She got married to a Jewish man, had a child; got divorced moved out to the West coast; got into the Real Estate business and married the fellow she was in business with. Only one problem, he loved everything Jewish; he was active in their synagogue, but when it came time for him to convert to traditional Judaism he said “I’ll do anything because I love everything Jewish, but I won’t renounce Jesus.” Sharon was horrified, although she knew he was raised in a Christian home he never spoke about church, he never spoke about Jesus, everything he did was Jewish; everything Sharon did was Jewish. So we so distraught she couldn’t understand how this wonderful businessman that loves everything Jewish could even be interested in Jesus. So what happened Sharon?

Sharon: Well like I said I was in absolute horror at this thought that all of a sudden my husband says he can’t renounce “That Man.” In the midst of all of this I had this thought, “I’ll just begin to read my Jewish Bible.” I start at page 1 and pretty soon I would find a scripture that prove to my husband that “That Man” could have never have been the fulfillment of the Jewish Bible.

Sid: Now who did you think Yeshua was at that time from your training?

Sharon: At the time, you know you grow up in America, and you kind of think it’s Roman Mythology. I thought that “That Man,” Jesus, was Roman Mythology. You know the idea of the virgin birth, and it was mashugana to me. It didn’t make sense, but I thought “Oh well it’s good for the Gentile people they don’t have the One true God, but through Jesus they have a good code of ethics, and they have learned about the One true God.” So it was okay for them, but it wasn’t okay for me and my family because my family is Jewish we pray directly. Until later when I studied and I realized that Moses brought the Israelites to Mt. Sinai and wanted to hear the Voice of God, and when the Israelites heard the Voice of God they said “No Moses you speak to God for us.” God originally wanted to be one on one. So I always…

Sid: So did you figure like one night of looking over the Torah, the Jewish scriptures would be all you’ll need to convince your husband, as you put it this mishegas, which means craziness?

Sharon: Yeah I didn’t think it would take me long and pretty soon I would find THAT scripture that would prove that “That Man” couldn’t have been the fulfillment of the Jewish Bible because I knew. There was one thing I knew for sure and that was everything that God wanted us to Jews to know about His Jewish Messiah, so that we Jews could recognize Him when He would come would be in my Jewish scriptures. So I went to the Family Room and I took down my Jewish Bible, every Jewish home has their Jewish Bible. Now I have many Bibles, but at the time I had my Hebrew Bible, and took it down from the shelf and I opened it to the first page, and I prayed this prayer “Dear God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, please show me the truth about Your Messiah so I can make my husband Jewish.” I proceeded to read, and my daughter went off to school that morning, and my husband went off to work, and there I was sitting and reading page, after page, after page. Hours later…

Sid: By the way, hadn’t you read the Bible before?

Sharon: You know as Jewish people we think we know what’s in our own Hebrew Scriptures because as children we go to Yeshiva, we go to Hebrew school. As adults we go every Shabbos to the synagogue and we hear a Torah portion, a portion from the Torah, 5 Books of Moses, and we hear a Haftorah portion, a portion from the prophets. Because of this we think we know what’s in our own Jewish Bible, but something completely different happened when I began to read page after page, after page…

Sid: By the way, I was raised in a traditional Jewish synagogue and I went to the synagogue, and I heard the first 5 Books of the Jewish scriptures, the Torah, and portions of the prophets, but I heard it all in Hebrew, and guess how many words of Hebrew I could speak? Maybe 3 or 4.

Sharon: I understand.

Sid: So it was like sitting in foreign language. Anyway you’re sitting down, you’re starting with Genesis and so by the end of the evening did you have your evidence?

Sharon: You know what, my husband came home from work, my daughter came home from school, and I was still reading. The next morning I was still reading page after page, and my daughter went to school, and my husband went off to work, and hours later my daughter came home from school and my came home from work, and I was still reading page after page. This went on for days, it went on for WEEKS, it went on for months. I couldn’t believe what I was finding in my own Jewish Bible.

Sid: What was one of the first things you made that made a major impact on you?

Sharon: Many things. I think that for me the Malach HaShem, now Malach HaShem in the English Bibles it says the “Angel of the Lord.” When you say “Angel of the Lord” you have this picture of a created being that could be the same angel, or different angel occurring each time. You have this picture of it being a created angel, but Malach HaShem, Malach in Hebrew means “Messenger,” and HaShem we’re saying “The Name.” HaShem means the “The Name” because Jewish people do not pronounce the Hebrew letters Yud Hey Vav Hey, which is the ineffable name of God, the Tetragrammaton, the name for God that we Jews don’t even pronounce. In prayers we say Adonai, but we do not pronounce the 4 letters that are the name of God. So here is… and I will call Him the Malach HaShem out of respect, and each time the Malach HaShem appears, and in your Bibles it would say “Angel of the Lord” but everywhere this unique messenger appears the people recognize Him as God. They are fearing for their lives and they fall on their face, and they say “They are going to die because they’ve seen God face to Face.” Instead of this Malach HaShem saying to them “No, no, no don’t fear for your lives I’m not God, I’m just a mere created being, I’m just an angel. Don’t worry I’m not…” He doesn’t correct them, but what He does say is “Shalom” He gives them peace. In Hebrew Shalom, I know we know it as “Hello” and “Goodbye” and “Peace,” but it is also means “Psychological wholeness.” In other words, this unique messenger recognizes that these people are in terror for their lives and he’s giving them psychological wholeness, but He never corrects them. Each time through the Bible, each time the patriarchs, or anyone meets Him, that is their immediate reaction, they fall on their face in fear. In Judges we meet Menoah, a very interesting thing happens. Menoah recognizes the Malach HaShem as God, and He also falls on his face and fears for his life. The Malach, this Messenger, comforts him and gives him psychological wholeness through saying “Shalom.” Menoah is so excited and wants to know what he can do that he actually offers sacrifice to this Malach, this Messenger. If this Messenger was an angel, an angel cannot accept sacrifice, only God. We only sacrifice to God. So Menoah offers this sacrifice and the Malach HaShem allows it, and not only that but as the flames are going up into the skies, the Malach HaShem goes into the flames raises up into the heavens and Menoah says “This is Pelly,” and the Hebrew word Pelly, which means wonderful, this miraculous wonderful thing that has happened. Pelly is a Hebrew word that is only used when we’re talking about God.

Sid: Now that had to be pretty shocking to you, but hold that thought we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.