Sid: There is another flow it’s an outpouring of God’s Spirit that is moving right now; and there are people that not only pain in their neck that they’re being healed of but there’s a popping going on in someone’s ear.  And you had difficulty hearing in that ear or perhaps you were dead; and I say the reason the sound has gone up on the radio or the tape recorder is because you are healed.  But we’re getting ready to blow the grandest shofar, the grandest trumpet in Zion we want everyone everywhere to hear the good news.  We want everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah. And if you follow the keys being outlined this week some of the biggest obstacles to you being red hot for the Messiah to you have intimacy with God; to you being totally free and that’s why the Messiah came.  To you receiving your physical healing and your emotional healing is the teaching my guest from Lancaster, England Peter Horrobin. We’re talking about his book “The Most Powerful Prayer on Earth.”  Peter before we went on the air we were talking about what seems to be almost epidemic problem going on not just in the United States; worldwide and that’s barrenness, or people not being able to have a normal child, and the child dies before it comes to birth. Have you experienced with that and do you have any idea of the causes.

Peter:  Wow, we have experience… and there are quite a lot of different causes. One of the commonest problems, and this is a medically attested statistic is the people who had an abortion in their teenage years, when the get married later in life have a lot of difficulty in conceiving.  And abortion has become almost like a birth control method and there have been so much accepted that young people just get sucked into it without realizing what they’re doing; they are taking a life.

Sid: You know this is just coming to mind one of the highest percentage of abortions per capita in the world is my nation Israel.

Peter:  Hmm.

Sid: And it’s actually a form of birth control.

Peter:  It certainly has been in Eastern Europe extensively for generation.

Sid: Hmm.

Peter:  And when we have prayed into the abortions and asked God to bring healing there we’ve seen it in Eastern Europe with probably 75 – 85% of the women in the meetings they’re wailing as the grief comes out all the pain of the children that they have lost.  And the grief and pain is devastating but that’s another aspect of it.  And what we’ve prayed and for example with women in the US or Australia or in the UK who have had abortions and then later on in life they begin to realize what they’ve done. They’re just devastated that they have terminated a human life.  And they need to forgive themselves and this is another very important issue in forgiveness that sometimes we can forgive others but actually we’ll never forgive ourselves.  We’ll say something like “I’ll never forgive myself for this or that or the other.

Sid: Is it possible to have a deception in that area and to think you’ve forgiven yourself and you really haven’t?

Peter: Yeah, it is but it’s often very very real it’s not so much deception as the reality of people don’t feel but they’re forgivable.  And they are actually denying that the reality of what Jesus died for for them that they may be forgiven.

Sid: But the Bible does talk about unpardonable sin; what do you believe that is?

Peter: I don’t believe there is an unpardonable sin is abortion.  I think that’s what when somebody is actually committed abortion and often have done it without even knowing what they’re doing.  And Jesus saying the most powerful prayer on earth “Father forgive them they didn’t know what they were doing.”

Sid:  Well, my spin on the unpardonable sin is what the Bible says “Grieving the Holy Spirit to the point that you can’t come to repentance to get forgiveness.  So as long as you are convicted you have not done the unpardonable sin but go ahead.

Peter: If you are being convicted of sin the Holy Spirit is at work in your life.

Sid: Right.

Peter: And what we have seen with woman that have been unable to conceive a child is the heartbreak, has been married 6 years, 10 years more and they’re crying out to God. And when we actually take them through forgiving themselves, forgiving sometimes the father of the child, and asking God to release them from that child so that child is safe with God in Heaven.  And that they themselves are then able to be healed here on earth.  The power of God comes upon them and they time and again we get letters 9 months later.

Sid: Give me a real life situation; describe it to me.

Peter:  I was in Townsville in Australia at the end of one of our conferences years ago and this lady came up to me she had only been a Christian a couple of years. She’d gone through a lot of teaching on understanding about healing and understanding about forgiveness and she had been devastated between the age of 12 and 19 by sexual abuse she had been raped, she had almost every single day of her life by other members of her family.  Her internal system was so damaged that her doctors had said that she’s totally barren, her female system is not working, and it’d be impossible for her to ever conceive a child. And that was the situation.  I had an email from her just two or three weeks ago telling the story of how when she got married she believed that what we prayed had happened in her life that God was going to give her a child.  God told her to call this child Elijah as a thanksgiving. This was before she ever knew she was going to get pregnant and she fell pregnant, she had a son; she called him Elijah.  The doctors said “That it’s impossible for you to actually have conceived the child.” They said “Actually having conceived the child.” They said “She was so messed up on the inside” they didn’t think it was possible for her to survive the pregnancy. She survived the pregnancy and Elijah was born.  And I had the email just a couple of weeks ago saying “Thank you for what God had done.”

Sid: Peter, what about people that literally are blaming God for the problems in their life.

Peter:  It’s a common thing that people blame God. We need to actually to say sorry to God.  Sometimes in our teaching we say we need to forgive God; but that’s not that’s not strictly true because God has never sinned so we can’t forgive God for something when He’s not done anything wrong.  But you know there’s many people that blame God for what has happened.  They say “Oh God why did you do this, why did this happen, why didn’t and they blame Him.”  Now the reality is we’re living in a fallen world and all the bad things that have happened have come as a result of the fall and Satan is the one responsible.  And we need to say God I’m sorry for blaming You for what Satan has done and that again just lifts something off us which releases again the power of God within us.

Sid: I’m looking at this powerful book it’s called “The Most Powerful Prayer on Earth” but it’s packaged like a gift and did you do that intentionally?

Peter: Yes, it was packaged in that way so that it would be given to the people who might need help see.  There’s a lot of people who are struggling with huge issues in their life and what they’re asking for is God will you come and heal my symptoms.  And we see this time and time again; they want God to come and solve their problem out.  The reality is that God can’t override that freewill, He’s given us freewill choice we’re made in His image and likeness and God has freewill. And when we have our own choice on choosing to alienate ourselves from the presence and the power of God by bitterness in our heart then we will never be able to receive the healing that God wants to give us.  So what I did in putting this book together I put it together in a way which would actually help people to read very gently without coming under condemnation, and to understand the sort of issues that there are in life which become roots of bitterness and pain. Then help people try to deal with this in a very practical way.

Sid: Now was there specific moment a supernatural moment when you felt God directed you to write this book?

Peter: Yes there was.

Sid: Tell me about that.

Peter:  I was actually in South Africa we have a ministry in South Africa. We took 2 or 3 days out from the ministry to go into the game park and we were looking at elephants and giraffes and lions. And when you’re looking at sort of God’s natural creation something happens to you on the inside you actually release and for me personally to where I can hear God. And as we were driving along there this track in the Kruger National Park God spoke to me supernaturally and said “I want you to write this book, The Most Powerful Prayer on Earth.” Actually meditating upon Jesus worse on the cross and I realized that the most powerful prayer on Earth is the one that Jesus prayed when He said “Father Forgive them.”  And I realized that He couldn’t pray that prayer unless He had actually forgiven other people, and there in the Lord’s Prayer it talks about forgiving other people.   You know after Jesus had given us the Lord’s Prayer He said these awesome words “That if you do not forgive others for what they have done to you my Father in Heaven will not forgive you.”

Sid: So it’s a salvation issue forget just the blessing issue; it’s a salvation issue.

Peter:  Well, it’s salvation is a very broad word you know and the scripture sometimes we think about in terms of just salvation as being saved; being born again. But the same word that’s used for that is also translated to healing and deliverance in places.  And Isaiah 53, Isaiah’s looking forward to the Messiah coming, he’s talking about “By His stripes we are healed and our transgressions can be forgiven.” So salvation and healing go hand and hand and it is a salvation issue absolutely.

Sid: What about a nonbeliever, what affect would this book have on them Peter?

Peter: Well, I carried copies of this book with me on airplanes and so that I can give to people next door to me on the plane and things like that.  I think nonbelievers are inside they actually want to be a believer because there’s a cry in the heart for reality that God has put His Spirit within us. And so often things are so religious that it puts people off; the cant’ cope with religion but what they want is relationship and forgiveness is about restoration of relationship. When people see a restoration of relationship they actually becomes an opportunity for them to try to find salvation and relationship is critical.  God is a relational God and unforgiveness stands in the way of relationship its Satan’s way of preventing people from getting to know God. To say “I’ve been….but they don’t deserve to be forgiven.  You know that’s true because none of us deserve to be forgiven; forgiveness is grace and mercy.

Sid: Oh Peter we’re out of time…

SID: So Ron Cantor, Jewish college student after fun, into drugs, which, you know, all the college kids are into, has an encounter where electricity goes through his body. He knows that Jesus is the Messiah and he goes back to campus, and the first thing he does is tell everyone alive that Jesus is the Messiah. Ron, what would you tell a Jewish person that’s watching us right this moment the best reason why Jesus is the Messiah or what they should do?

RON: Well I would say, think for yourself. You know, one of the first things Jewish people do when they are intrigued with the person of Jesus is they go to their rabbi, who then looks up to see what the sages and the scholars thought before him. But rarely does someone actually think for themselves. What I did, is I went to the Bible and began to read it for myself. You see, I discovered that Yeshua actually was involuntarily put into a witness protection program so that the Jewish people of the world would not understand that this man Jesus, who over a billion Gentiles follow, not only was he Jewish, all of his followers were Jewish. In fact, here’s an incredible effect, Sid. When I got born again in 1983, the first thing I said to myself was, I guess I’m no longer Jewish. Now that I believe Jesus, just through osmosis, growing up in the synagogue, we were made to understand that you could not mix Jesus and Judaism. But as I began to read the New Covenant, they’re all Jewish. The entire early congregation were all Jews. On the day of Shavuot, when the Holy Spirit fell on Jerusalem, Peter, who’s actual name was Kefa, which means rock, he stood up and preached to thousands upon thousands of Jews. We know that at least 3000 Jewish men that day became a believer, believers. They were immersed in water. We know that many years later when Paul visits Jerusalem, Jacob, which is actual the name of James. Nobody ever called him James. Great name for a butler or chauffer, but not for the brother of a Jewish Israeli Messiah. His name was Jacob.

SID: My Bible says James. How come?

RON: Well that’s because it’s a mistranslation. Most Bibles in other languages actually properly call him Jacob. That was his name. The actual Greek for James and Jacob are very close. And when the King James folks were authorized to translate the Bible, they substituted Ichamus for Ichabus. And it—

SID: Okay. It’s Ichabot to me. But go ahead.

RON: But a story about James, Peter, Paul, Mary, that is not a Jewish story. But when this guy named Paul, a lot of people were taught that his name was Paul. Then he got born again and he changed it from Saul to Paul to get rid of his horrible Hebrew and then take on a wonderful Christian name. Of course, there were no Christian names at that time. Paul was just a Latin typical Roman name. But he didn’t change his name. The Bible says, “Saul, who was also called Paul.” He had two names, just like I do, just like you do. As Jews, we grow up outside of Israel with a name. My name is Ron, which is what people in most countries of the world, but I also have a Hebrew name, Chaim, which means “life”, by the way. Paul had two names. But this guy Paul comes into Jerusalem, meets Jacob, the brother of Yeshua.

SID: This is beginning to sound so Jewish. How did something so Jewish become, we can’t be Jewish and believe in him. It makes no sense to me.

RON: Well the way it happened, let me just finish up real quick. He comes and he finds Jacob. Jacob says, “Paul, look how many tens of thousands of Jews right here in Jerusalem have believed and are zealous for the Torah.” There was a Jewish revival in Jerusalem in the greater, what we call the greater Tel Aviv area today in Galilee. Here’s a funny thing. I said earlier, in 1983, that I thought I was no longer Jewish until I began to read the Bible. But in the New Covenant, the big controversy wasn’t can a Jew believe in Jesus and still be Jewish. It was can a Gentile believe in Jesus without first becoming Jewish. There were many evangelists telling Gentiles who wanted to come into the Kingdom, great, you can come in, but you have to be circumcised and become Jewish. They had a big council in Acts, Chapter 15 to decide, not that a Jew is still a Jew. Of course, Peter and Paul, and Jacob, of course they were still Jews. They had to decide, do Gentiles have to first become Jewish.

SID: How did this whole thing get turned upside down, and frankly, what, I see the difference it makes to Jewish people. If we find out that Jesus is one of ours, Yeshua, he’s a nice son of a Jewish carpenter, you know. That I understand. But what difference would it make for a Gentile that is a believer in Jesus to know these things?

RON: Because if you love Yeshua, you want to know who he is. You want to know everything. I got married 25 years ago and I’m still discovering wonderful insights about my wife. How much more Yeshua, the author of the New Covenant, if you view him as a blond haired, blue eyes Gentile from Finland, you’re missing out on some of the most special features of the Jewish Messiah. He came in response to the prophecies of the Jewish prophets, not to start a new religion, but to bring salvation to the world through his blood. He was the Passover lamb, not the Easter meal.

SID: Speaking of the feasts, did Yeshua observe all of these feasts? Did all the Jewish believers observe these feasts?

RON: Absolutely. They were Jews. They, what is again, going back to Acts 2:1, Jacob says to Paul, he says, “Look how many of these tens of thousands of Jews have believed and they are zealous for the Torah.” Now when they celebrated the Passover it had incredible meaning that it didn’t have before. Now they could see Yeshua, the Passover lamb. When they celebrated the Fall feast, the Feast of Tabernacles, they could dream of the day when Yeshua would come back, like it says in Zechariah 14: “His feet will come to the Mount of Olives to fight for Israel and to establish his kingdom on Earth.” Of course, they celebrated the feasts. That was the example of Yeshua. We find Yeshua in John, chapter, 7, going to Jerusalem. Why? To celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.

SID: So let me ask you this question. If a Gentile Christian loves Jesus with all of their heart and hates the Jewish people, because let’s say they say the Jews killed Jesus, did the Jews kill Jesus?

RON: Yeah. And so did the Gentiles.

SID: Well wait a second. If you have the Jews and Gentiles together, guess who you got? The whole world. We’ll be right back. Don’t go away.

Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah he had an experience that maybe none of you will have that same experience but every one of us needs to capture the understanding that my guest his name is Leif Hetland.  I’m speaking to him him at his office in Florence Alabama.  And Leif you know the difference between being a Pastor, loving God, serving Him with every fiber of your being; even to the point of stress and burning out.  And what is it that made such a transformation in your life?  Can we go back to one specific moment even?

Leif:  Well, I think that there’s almost a journey that you have to look back because I’m not going to make this long. But I came as a prodigal son mainly because of religion in church and that lasted where I almost ended up in the pigpen.  The good news was that I got glorious saved and I got healed and I got set free in 1984.  The bad news was I came to church; I went to church suddenly now when I was in church and if you’re going to be a good Christian your going to read your Bible.  And if you’re going to be a good Christian you need to pray.  And before you knew it suddenly all these offertories.  And of course I had just fallen in love with Jesus; had an encounter with Jesus.  And I wanted to be as pleasing to Him as possible but in church I now learned about all the rules and the regulation and all these different things I need to do for Him; then He’s going to be happy; then He’s going to be please with you.  And that started off with a performance treadmill because I’m a high A personality and as I was a very radical for the kingdom of darkness now I wanted to be radical for the kingdom of Light.  And that whole thing was that orphan spirit that was in me and it went back to a little boy; I go back to that 12 year old little boy that just wanted to be loved and just wanted to be secured, that wanted to be valued that just wanted to understand his purpose.  Now I am in ministry, suddenly now I’m in Bible College I’m succeeding; I’m the Pastor of the largest Baptist Church in Norway at that time period.  We baptized more  people than anybody else; my whole identity is look at what I’m doing for You God.  And then I went to the nations and things started to happen and so the whole identity system is “Look what I’m doing for You.”  And what I didn’t realize was that that branch is on the same tree  as the branch that I came from the rebellious branch of what we often call the rebellious son from being into the drugs to everything else.  I went from a bad branch to a good branch but it is part of the same tree called knowledge of good and evil and it is the flesh branch.  And you can only continue that because what about when they didn’t applaud you and they didn’t say that it was the best sermon.  And then a lot of the orphan thinking and the orphan spirit it came out of my family because you cannot keep up and here you are supposed to have the best prayer life and the fasting and then you continue with all these different things that you are going to keep up with.  And then you sense that I’m not good enough father and suddenly I’m ending up with 4 children and I’m not able to take care of my children and then I’m not a good enough pastor.  And then I don’t pray enough and then suddenly it’s the law that comes into my life and he’s a tough marital partner; he points out all the mistakes in your life.  And then the detrimental things in the Kingdom of God is that you try harder; and I tried harder.  And I continued to try harder and the results was just a t a devastation; I almost ruined my family and eventually my ministry and everything else.  Even if I had success in man’s eyes if you looked on paper on the inside I was a person that was heading towards being burned out and becoming another part of the statistics where we’re seeing that most people never finish the race of the calling that God has upon their life.

Sid: But out of curiosity we’re you blind at that point to what you now see?

Leif:  Well, I think that there were several different things;first of all there has been some crisis. And there is a saying that says that “People only change; change is very difficult you either hurt enough to where you have to; you learn enough to where you want to and or you receive enough to where you are able to.”  It’s called an impartation and sometimes…

Sid: I like the receiving of myself but go ahead.

Leif:  But I think that that is often what I see is the combination of all three. There was a major impartation that was taking place in my life and I call it and it was almost a process but I suddenly had an overwhelming experience with God.  I was sitting in the car; my identity I was so happy I had just been.  I had fresh oil and new wine in 2002 and Jensen Franklin or John Kilpatrick and Elmer Town all these names that I look forward to.  Here I’m on the post or here I’m being advertized by Dr. Ron Philips and now I’m one of the speak person. God’s used me in a powerful way and all the people was telling me how great I was.  But I was sitting in the car and suddenly there was almost like the Father was telling me like actually on my report card you got an F.  But I want to remind you something son Jesus He got a straight A and he changed report with you so you do not need to look at your report card any longer in what you have done or have accomplished.  It was none of that measures up to Jesus.  I want you to look at the new report card the way that I look at you. And the reason that I do not treat you on behalf of your history but your destiny.  And I have a destiny over your life but I want you to look at the right report card.  And it was a baptism of love experience where I heard what the Father say what He spoke to Jesus before Jesus had done anything.  “You are My beloved Son whom I love and whom I am well pleased.”

Sid: Now intellectually you knew that wasn’t a revelation to you but the revelation was  when God spoke that to you direct.

Leif:  It was a direct; yes it was an impartation of love it was an experience; it was like the whole…I mean it was like Father God Himself in that car was more close than my secretaries in the office right now. I mean it was an experience where God almost visited a car and was whispered or was speaking into my heart.  And my heart almost placed His arms around me and I wept for the next 3 ½ to 4 hours.  He told me some specific things that I needed to do.  And here is just on example He said “Your wife has always been Rachael to you hasn’t she?  And I said “Yes Sir.”  And He said “Well, she’s always felt like Leah.”  She’s always felt that ministry has been your Rachael you could talk about 1000’s are being saved but watching a video of miracles of quadriplegic walking I would be so excited I could talk for hours.  Oh but by the way “Here’s my wife.” I didn’t have same enthusiasm; I didn’t have the same heart and I realized that my wife and incidence after incidence the Father showed me that I am not the lover.  That I had put the great commission before the great commandment and the result of that was devastating.  So itd it was a combination that brought repentance and it was also a combination and an overwhelmingness of freedom that I do not need to try any longer I don’t need to be an achiever any longer.  Instead of trying I can trust, instead of achieving I can receive and I can learn to rest and I can just learn the secret that I believe most of my teaching is about now.  I can learn about sonship; you don’t have to an orphan any longer, Jesus says “I will not leave you as an orphan but I will come to you.”  And the reason He came to us was to bring us back again to the Father so that we can experience what we see there in the book of the beginning.

Sid: And you know what Mishpochah this is not just words, this is not just good speaking this is a position that Leif is in that we all can enter in.  But I have to ask you Leif with this information that the Holy Spirit gave you about your family what did you do about it?

Leif: The first thing I did was I repented; I went to my wife and I said “I asked, can we go for a walk.”  She had heard my repentance I’m sorry before but there was several different things here that she started to see change and sometimes it takes a time because she was a little suspicious because I’d say I’m sorry.  I’m sorry I’m late, I’m sorry I’m always traveling, she was used to hearing that kind of a language from me.  But this time it was a little different; I told her specifically what God had said. It is not only that you are my Rachael I would have given up ministry if you asked me to and if you want me to I would give up everything that I have and I will go anywhere because you are more important than anything.

Sid: Now did you really mean that, that you would give up ministry?  I mean you’re approaching what you were created for?

Leif:  Yes I would, I would because I did know that everything would flow out of intimacy and out of relationship first with the Father and then with with my wife.  And then I do know that whatever I give up is also what I get.  So it was not my motivation to get something else but I would have canceled everything there was on the calendar if that that was what was need for my wife just to be a lover. And to get to know her in a new way where she would know that her husband is not first of all a Father, a businessman, the President of an organization, a speaker in a conference.  But the he is a lover; that is his identity right now and he exists to receive love and give love.  And that doesn’t start with a nation it starts in the home with my wife and the 4 beautiful children He has given me and out of that it flows into the churches and into the country and into the nation.

 

Sid: Most people do not even get it; but the way that God orchestrated things is He goes to the Jew first to plant a seed to open up a door evangelism to all people. And this is God’s time for the spiritual scales to come off of the eyes of Jewish people so that we would see Jesus and for the spiritual scales to come off of the eyes of Christians so that we would recognize the need to evangelize the Jew.  Because when those two anointing’s the ancient Jewish anointing and the New Covenant Christian anointing merge together we have what Paul calls “Life from the dead.”  He says in Romans 11:11 “If it was a blessing the Jewish people rejected their Messiah so that the Gentiles could be grafted in,” that was a pretty good blessing. He says that it’ll be even a greater blessing when the Jewish people receive their Messiah; it’ll cause miracles like life from the dead.  And I’m so excited to tell you Mishpochah that I talked to the director of Messianic Vision Canada; yes we all throughout Canada now on television. We have an office there and there was a young Chassidic student who just happened to see our website; our web page.  As a matter of fact if you haven’t seen our web page I suggest you go there.  It’s www. sidroth.org. And he went to our web page; called our Canadian office, and after just a couple of minutes our director lead him to the Lord and this was his statement.  He said, “I feel so clean, I feel like I’m washed;” I believe that’s a prophetic sign for us.  He even said “Do I have takeoff my yarmulke?”  That’s the head covering that Jewish people wear; and she said “Of course not you just have to walk in intimacy with God knowing as you just said that you are washed and you are clean.”  And I see that as just a foretaste of what’s going to be happening shortly so that the two streams Jewish people and Christians will merge together in the greatest outpouring of God’s Spirit in history; unfair.  What do you mean Sid?  Unfair, my guest that I have on the line right now is Mark Pool he’s a New Covenant Prophet with a gift he literally can see a tickertape over people’s lives.  And tell them what God is doing in their life; and he has an amazing accuracy.  Mark so the people will get to know you just a little bit; would you please tell me what God showed you before President Bush became President the first time.

Mark:  Well, thank you Sid for having me on first place.  I would like to say that I happen to be at a ministry center and I was in Mexico actually ministering. I saw the Lord gave me a word “That he will be President for the next two terms.”  He gave me just a real strong word and it was very difficult because I stayed over during the election period time, the ministry coincided there, and on the day after the election there was a very large paper the front page said “Gore Wins.”  And it was a little difficult on me.

Sid: I’m sure; were they getting the stones ready or… (Laughing)

Mark:  They were… I was getting a little bit of ridicule; a lot of chuckles, a lot of laughter it looks like the prophet you know missed again.  I said… I kind of drew away and I asked God I said “Lord, I’m not so concerned about my name but I said “Thus saith the Lord.”  He said, “That’s what I said.”  So I confronted and He said “That’s what I said.”  And they begin to laugh even louder. They said “You’re saying the newspapers wrong and the elections turned?  And I said “Yes, we just got to wait; we just have to wait and the next day it said “Woe, vote counts not complete” and you know the rest of it.  And then as it continued on towards the next election you know it was very difficult election I sought the Lord again and He said “I told you the first time, but this time note that my church won’t be given the election they’ll have to pray, seek my face, and then I’ll hear their prayer.”  And that’s what happened.

Sid: You know Mark I want to take you back to the beginning this people that are so prophetic and we’ll talk about some of the things you see happening to the United States and Israel this year. Before we even get to that I want the people to get to know you. Before you were even born God spoke to your mother; tell me about that.

Mark:  Well, she didn’t tell me until I had surrendered to the ministry after the age of 12 so she kept that in which was a great thing; she wanted the Holy Spirit to have His own way. But she said that when she was carrying me she was kneeling down in the divan over the sofa in the living room and she heard the audible voice of God; the only time He had ever spoken to her. Said “His name will be Mark and he will be a voice to the nations;” and she was like questioning that she had heard the audible voice of God.  And that day she saw an angel looking about 12 feet tall standing next to her while she was ironing “Saying the voice you heard was absolutely from God and don’t doubt it.” So from that moment on she began to purchase boy items and so forth and in those days they didn’t have the sonogram so everybody kind of laugh at her being prophetic stuff out that just stepped out and took God’s word.  But it was interesting because the day I surrendered in the ministry I explained to her what I’d seen in my prayer.  She said “You’ve always been able to I’ve noticed this growing up and help your mother by explaining like an Aunt and Uncle coming from Oklahoma City; she had no idea I was a toddler she said you just walked up and said “When is Aunt and Unky coming from Oklahoma City?”  And she said “What?” So she began to prepare and she made meals and they didn’t do a lot of phone calling if there where phones. You know those rural areas they were like even the early model so they would just show up.  And about 4 or 5 hours later they drove in from Oklahoma City and she said “That’s always the rule in our life.” So I’ve really not known not hearing from God, but as we grow older in the Lord it’s like a muscle the more you use it the more it gets…

Sid: Now you have been prophetic from just a toddler; your mom was very prophetic and one day you were going to visit her and you almost didn’t do it because you said “She was in a nursing home and you said I can go visit her anytime,” but you had that nudge by the Holy Spirit to go visit her and what happened?

Mark:  Well, that’s true Sid. I really wanted to go see another prophet who had a great television program in the Dallas community and I was headed in that direction; hadn’t seen him in 10 years, and was going just directly by the nursing home.  The Lord checked me and said “Pull in there right now.”  And I kind of argued with God I said “Lord I really want to go see this prophet of God and renew some relationships and get some old business in.”  He said “Now!”  So I ducked in and mother had been praying and she had been diagnosed with bone marrow cancer and was in great pain in her little nursing home by herself. She said “She had just been praying that God would send her minister son in to pray for her.”  And just as I walked in you know I just felt the presence of the Lord and was able to pray for her and she was actually she actually was healed that night, that day.  And our prayers and agreement came together and she didn’t pass from this earth with any cancer in her.  From that moment on she was healed but I asked God I said “Lord, thank you for that I appreciate it now I’ll go on to my meeting, and I just casually asked mother I said “Well, are you going to be okay?”  She said “Yes, what can I do for you?”  And the Lord prompted me quickly He said “Ask her for the double portion of that prophetic mantle.”  And He actually let me know that she wouldn’t be here a year from then at that moment it was kind of a happy and sad occasion to know that but I didn’t share the latter with her.  I just said “Yes, I would like to have that double portion of that mantle.”  And she said “Well, I guess it is you son so come and kneel down and so she laid her little…

Sid: You know she knew that someone was going to get a double portion of her prophetic anointing.

Mark: Yes, she knew it.

Sid: But that person had to come to her.

Mark: And she did not say a word ever to me about it.

Sid: Hmm.

Mark: And she said well, and she looked at me unusual and just kind of starred through me like I’ve never seen my mother look and she said “So it is you;” and when she heard me…it’s pretty emotional… hmm hmm excuse me.  But when she laid her hands upon me I’m sorry I still get emotional because I feel such an anointing that day Sid it’s really indescribable it’s kind of like describe to you Heaven when I was there.  It’s like something that just never leaves you; it’s like when I knew that I feel in love with my wife it’s something that never leaves you, you know what I mean. It’s the first love of Jesus.  It’s something that never leaves you; and it’s just there; it’s a deposit from God I mean what can you say.

Sid: It’s so phenomenal how God uses you now in the prophetic we’ll talk a lot about what’s coming future of the United States and Israel tomorrow’s broadcast or the next day.

 

Sid: My guest, and you’ve probably seen him on CNN, on Fox, on CBN Erick Stakelbeck. He’s come out with a brand new book “The Brotherhood America’s Next Great Enemy.” Erick you came to the Lord as I study it God used your father who had a great love for Bible prophecy, but he also used a book on prophecy by Hal Lindsey, “The Late Great Planet Earth.” However, the thing that intrigues me even more is what happened to you in 2008 in Israel.

Erick: You know Sid I have never heard the Lord, unfortunately I’ve never heard the Lord audibly in my ear. I wish He’s say “Samuel, Samuel” like He did to young Samuel. I wish, I’m waiting for that day but the Lord has spoken powerfully to my heart on several occasions. Sid in November 2008 my very first time in the land of Israel a lifelong dream I went to the Western Wall and I’m standing there I’m trying to take it all in and I feel powerfully on my heart “Help My people.” Now He wasn’t talking about the Amish people, or the Mormon people clearly in the land of Israel God was talking about helping the Jewish people, the land of Israel and the Jewish people. Suddenly Sid it all made sense, this lifelong passion for Israel, for prophecy a lifetime of friendships with Jewish friends, coaches, mentors, teachers it all began to make sense to me. This is why I’m here, this is why God has me in this field of covering counter-terrorism of warning against the threats against Israel, against America; it hit me like a ton of bricks Sid in Jerusalem in the eternal city.  And that started my path to embracing our Lord Yeshua living for Yeshua leaving all the consequences to Yeshua and just walking with the Lord.

Sid: You told me some very supernatural things that have occurred for you to have this new book. You told me about several situations where angels were involved, but I personally believe you were supernaturally helped to get these interviews. I mean the heads of Islamic terror groups, why would they even let you interview them?

Erick: Sid I’m asked that question all the time. First of all when you go into these situations I always pray Psalms 91 “God will give His angles charge over you.” And even Al-Qaeda situations Isaiah 54 “No weapon formed against you shall prosper.” Why do they talk to me Sid? I’m still trying to figure it out. Don’t these guys have Google, can’t they Google my name and see what I’m all about? I think it’s the Lord’s hand number 1. I think number 2 Sid from my experience these guys love to hear the sound of their own voice. They are very arrogant individuals. Number 2 they want to get their message out, and number 3 they see me a western journalist and they automatically assume “He’s just another naive liberal western journalist we can spin him like a top and use him to spout our propaganda to the world.” But at the end of the day, the Lord is opening those doors for sure.

Sid: For those that perhaps didn’t hear Monday or Tuesday, I urge everyone to hear this entire week. You state the Muslim Brotherhood was the first of the modern terrorist and they literally spawned groups like Al-Qaeda, like Hamas I mean this is not a friend. You also point out, and especially through these secret documents which I want to find out more about; just like Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf exactly what his strategy was to do and the world didn’t pay any attention, we know the strategy of the Muslim Brotherhood, and you call it “America’s Next Great Enemy.” Tell us more of the strategy from these secret documents that you’re aware of.

Erick: Sid isn’t it amazing we actually have the enemy’s plans in our possession. Our own government has these secret Muslim Brotherhood documents. This is the equivalent as you said of having the Nazi plans of World War II, of having Stalin’s plans during the Cold War; we know their game plan. Sid in 2004 right outside of Washington D.C. the FBI conducted a raid, they raided the home of a leading Muslim Brotherhood operative just 10 minutes from the White House. In his home they found box upon box of official Muslim Brotherhood documents written in Arabic. Now when these documents were translated they provided the Muslim Brotherhood’s blueprint for America. What that is Sid, in the Brotherhood’s own words is “To destroy western civilization America from within.” In these documents Sid the Brotherhood names names, they have a list of all their friends, and all the organizations who they’re connected to in America. The end game is again destroy western civilization from within, and they are very very patient.

Sid: Give me, and by the way that is such a key factor, we in America think of everything instant, they’re just goal oriented they don’t care how long it takes. Give me an idea of their strategy with say the mosques that are going up in America.

Erick: You know Sid it is no coincidence that since 2000, in a little over a decade, the number of mosques in America has doubled from 1,200 to over 2,200 and that’s since 9/11 Sid. That is astounding and that is not a coincidence. The reason I say that is because these secret Muslim Brotherhood documents that we are discussing, and again Sid our government has these documents in its possession, these documents call mosques or Islamic Centers which is a much benign term…

Sid: It sounds, they posture them as neighborhood centers like the YMCA.

Erick: Yeah. It’s just like your local “Y” Sid move along nothing to see here, nothing to fear. They call mosques, thats the Brotherhood, the access of their movement where battalions are supplied. They compare the mosques, the Islamic center, to a beehive the center of activity. Sid I describe in the book I’ve been in these Islamic enclaves throughout America, throughout Europe and the mosque is always the center piece. You’re seeing them now in America in rural areas; people might not know that multi-million dollar mega mosques are being built in places like the Bible-belt near Nashville, Tennessee. In the Heartland Columbus, Ohio, it’s not just the traditional gateway immigrant cities like New York, LA. no this strategy is to spread out across a wide geographical area from coast to coast. This is the Brotherhood strategy…

Sid: Okay, but what is going on in the mosques? This is just Muslims praying, that’s what we think anyway.

Erick: Of course, with freedom of religion in this country of course, and not every mosque is a terror hotbed, but enough mosques have been terror hotbeds Sid that we need to stand up and take notice at their rapid spread in this country. I document in the book several instances of mosques being used to plot terrorism. I also document how the Muslim Brotherhood controls many American mosques. Sid I’ll give you an example, the Boston bombers who killed 3 people wounded 264 more at the Boston Marathon these 2 young men attended a Muslim Brotherhood controlled mosque…

Sid: Okay what you indicate is the Muslim Brotherhood’s agenda from these secret documents is to turn out a new breed of domestically radicalized terrorists.

Erick: Yes. In the book I call it “Mosques Enclaves Victory.” Basically with the mosques, with the Islamic Center, if you build it they will come. That’s the Muslim Brotherhood’s philosophy; they build the mosque Sid as a sort of beachhead. Often times I’ve found in my investigations that they’ll build the mosques in a non-Muslim area where’s there’s a very small Muslim population. All of a sudden more and more Muslims come to the area, they move in they surround the mosque, non-Muslims move out. After a while all the stores in the area have Arabic on their signs; after a while you have Friday prayers spilling out into the surrounding streets, the call to prayer wafting through the area 5 times a time. There you have it that…

Sid: That sounds… I tell you I go to Israel a lot and that is a very disturbing disconcerting sound I wouldn’t like it in my neighborhood. (Laughing)

Erick: Could you imagine, but we see it in the Detroit, Michigan area in some places for instance Sid. You know in the Heartland of America we are seeing that.

Sid: Let me ask you a question, how much do groups like the Muslim Brotherhood control our media?

Erick: Well controlling the media, the American media, good question. We know they are regulars as guests in the American media Sid, we know these are the “go to guys” for CNN, for the New York Times; these are the moderate American Muslim spokesmen. I can tell that Al Jazeera, the infamous Al Jazeera Network, which by the way has a growing operation right here in America. Al Jazeera without a doubt is flooded with Muslim Brotherhood sympathizers. As a matter of fact Sid, in Egypt the government there, the new military government actually shut down Al Jazeera because it was so pro Muslim Brotherhood. Isn’t this great Sid now Al Jazeera is coming to a TV set near you here in America.

Sid: I tell you, I just believe Christian in America must read your brand new book “The Brotherhood America’s Next Great Enemy.” You really believe that, you really believe the Brotherhood is America’s next great enemy?

Erick: I do Sid. I say that for a few reasons. Look this group…

Sid: I’ll tell you what we’ll hold that thought till tomorrow’s broadcast.

 

Sid: My guest Pastor Robert Gay heard from God and God said, “That there is a connection between grace and the Ten Commandments.” And those that do not get the connection will not be walking with the intimacy that God needs to use them in the last next and greatest move of God’s Spirit which I can hear the rain drops coming right now.  Now Robert, what does grace really mean?

Robert:  Well; I think that traditionally that the definition that we have traditionally heard concerning grace is that it is unmerited favor.  And while I wouldn’t necessarily argue with that when you really define the word grace and you can go to a Strong’s Concordance and it really means this “The Divine influence on the heart and it’s reflection in the life.”  So the true definition of grace is God’s influence on your heart that is now reflected in the life that you are living.  You know I have seen people before who say that they are living by grace but they are living a lifestyle of sin. And that’s not living by grace because when you live by grace there is going to be a reflection of Divine influence upon your heart. And so we have to realize is that grace does not separate us from the Ten Commandments.  Grace does not liberate us from the Ten Commandments it actually empowers us to fulfill them and fulfill them at the next level that Jesus talked about.

Sid: Show me what you mean when you say that the Ten Commandments are prophetic picture.

Robert: Well, what we see happening whenever God delivers the children of Israel out of Egypt He says that He brings them out of Egypt He brings them out with just a mighty victory.  And of course we know that is a type of what happens whenever somebody becomes Born Again they come out of Egypt.  So we see a prophetic picture of God delivering the children out of Egypt and that is like somebody getting saved; they are coming out of Egypt; they are coming out of sin.  The next thing that happens is that they cross the Red Sea.  At the Red Sea the enemy is destroyed; again a prophetic picture of someone when they are Born Again; the enemy is put at your feet.  That is what Paul said, “The devil is under our feet.”  And then the next thing that happens is this God takes them to Mt. Sinai where there are actually commandments; the Ten Commandments specifically that are given.  And so likewise the same thing happens with us and we see that in Jeremiah where he says “I will write a new covenant and I will write it upon their hearts.”  So the same thing happens to those who are believers today.  We come out of Egypt when we are saved; the enemy is placed underneath our feet. And them at the same time God now writes His law upon our hearts.  So grace never separates us from the moral law that was contained in the Ten Commandments.  Grace actually reinforces that law; as a matter of fact we’re actually tied to it now to a greater level now to even what those under the Old Covenant were.  So the difference is now it’s not an external law that enforces us but it’s an internal law that begins to motivate us to do what’s right.  To live holy; to walk in a life style of obedience to God and do what’s pleasing in His sight.

Sid: I’ve often wondered about in the Ten Commandments it talks about “Make no graven image.  What does that mean?

Robert: Well, the heart of the Commandment is actually about worship. Because the reason that an idol would be created was for the purpose of worship.  In other words, people were not just carving things just to have something to sit around the house. These images were carved and they were graven for the purpose of worship.  It was an object that someone could actually look at and worshipping and paying homage to it. Well In the Old Testament of course we have the commandment of not making any idols and we’re not to bow down to them.  So the heart of the commandment is about worship; we are not to worship idols we are to worship God. And it’s just so interesting what begins to take place within our lives as a result of our worship.  Again Jesus when he was tempted by the devil; the devil tried to get Him to bow down to him.  And he said “If You’ll bow down to me I’ll give you all the Kingdoms of this world; all the riches; all the wealth.  Everything this world has to offer Jesus I’ll give it to you if You’ll bow down and worship me.  And what Jesus actually says is “I’m commanded; it’s written that we are to only worship the Lord God and Him only will you serve.”  Jesus was reaching back to the Ten Commandments; the second Commandment about idolatry and said “I’m going to worship God and Him only.”  And I personally believe this Sid I don’t believe that Jesus just quoted that.  But I believe Jesus on the heels of that He actually began to do that; I believe that Jesus began to worship.  I believe that Jesus began to honor the Father.  I believe that He had His on little praise break going on right there.  And the Bible says that immediately after that the devil left Him.  And fears great power that’s released in our life there’s supernatural power released within our lives whenever we begin to worship God.  And again that is obedience to the 2^nd Commandment whenever begin to worship Him.

Sid: Now tell me the gang member in your church that when you started talking about honoring your mother and father what happened.

Robert: Well, he had been a part of a gang for many many years and you know the Lord began to convict him and he began to get an understanding of the importance of serving God.  And one of the first things that took place is he began to hear some of the teaching even about honoring your father and mother.  As his relationship with his mother that had been estranged and had been very tense it began to be very restored.  And God totally and miraculously restored this gentleman; totally and miraculously caused him to come into a place of newness of life as a result of this.  And of course today he is married; today he’s got a steady job; today God’s blessing him and his family also.  And again there’s always a blessing that is associated with obedience. I think many times Christians don’t realize that God does not command us to do things in order to cramp our style.  His whole desire for the commandment; His whole purpose for the commandment is to produce blessing and breakthrough in our life.

Sid: You know speaking of blessing; you have an interesting teaching on the commandment on the New Covenant perspective of “Thou shall not covet.”

Robert: Oh, exactly and really that’s about making the eternal your focus; begin to focus on the eternal.  And I’ve said this before because what happens many times is whenever people begin to see somebody else that has nice things they begin to covet it.  And the way that covetousness begins to manifest is through jealousy and envy and many times thought greed and discontentment.  And many times through greed, discontentment and ingratitude.  And I’ve said this before and if you see somebody being blessed you need to learn to celebrate with their blessing.  Because celebrating somebody else’s blessing will cause blessing to be attracted to your life.  Sid one of the things that we see in the Word, in the Bible is that every commandment that we see in the Ten Commandments has it’s basis in reciprocating love.  That means this; the commandment was given because of God’s love for us and is then fulfilled through out love for Him and our neighbor.  See as you walk in love the commandments are fulfilled.  Love is the reason the commandment was given and love is the way that we also fulfill the commandment. And also that causes our faith to walk at a higher level because the Bible says faith works by love.  And as a result of that we begin to see God’s blessing poured out within our lives in a an unprecedented manner.  And I’ll tell you obedience always has the reward of blessing; and if we will obey and we will do what God has commanded us to do there will be blessing; there will be supernatural occurrences that take place within our lives. Because God’s standing and He’s ready and He’s wanted to release those things but we have to align ourselves with His word and begin to live a lifestyle of obedience to Him.

Sid: Robert you believe and I believe the Ten Commandments when connected to grace result in supernatural blessings from God.  Tell me how important it is at this moment in history to be following the Ten Commandments connected with grace.

Robert: Well, I believe as we get this revelation and understanding I believe that it begins to open up supernatural doors for us to see the manifest blessings of God in a way that we never had.  And we see that God has always released blessing on the other side of obedience.  He always releases supernatural things; supernatural victories manifested within the lives of those who will actually adhere to what He has said.  And to be willing to say “Lord not my way; not my will but Yours be done and begin to walk that out there is great blessings in the lives of those that are willing to do that.

Sid: My guest Tom Horn is red hot for the Messiah; I mean you have put together a book that someone that has a degree of understanding of end time Bible prophecy can see how it’s all put together by the facts that you’ve gathered Tom and the book is called “Zenith 2016.”  And let’s start out with a question “What was the secret message of 9/11?”

Tom:  It’s interesting because the answer has to do with 9/11 as in 9-1-1 or 11, or twin pillars.  Sid a lot of people don’t know that when they joins the freemasonic order they have to pass through twin columns during initiation.  Because what awaits beyond those twin colors what awaits beyond those twin colors are mysteries of masonry and so on.  Now that’s not just my opinion freemasonic writers have written a great deal about how the pillars play such an important role in freemasonry.  And the idea that you have to move through them and beyond them to reach a particular knowledge.  They are even based by the way on the original temple of Solomon and the twin pillars of Solomon.  But what does that have to do with the attack on 9/11?  Well, symbolically maybe even occulticaly twin towers in New York as pillars echoed the masonic archetype where the pillars Hercules, Solomon and all of the stuff they talk about.  These are art type of what one would travel to reclaim what Masons believe was lost in Atlantis. Therefore, if in the occultic realms if truly dark powers had determined that the ascendency of the new Atlantis, the New World Order had actually arrived some believe that an occult magical tradition would require an event.  Something powerful enough to move the New World order goals beyond the symbolic pillars that you might think of there in New York.  The Twin Towers that represented the American industrial and financial institutions that would institute changes; something that could facilitate a universal call for order out of chaos.  That it would in other words bring, including the United States, to a point where we need a savior.  And so this would be something that would embed images in our minds that would cause us to buy into for instance a support for the war on terror; tolerance for diminishing domestic freedoms.  Something that would communicate to initiates around the world too at the same time that the oracular date for the culmination of their new Atlantis had arrived.  And so if what happened on 9-1-1 was meant to signal those objectives then it might be necessarily be accompanied by an appropriate redundant symbolism 11; 2 towers communicating to the members of the order that to reach the new Atlantis movement beyond the pillars had arrived.  Now here’s the thing regardless how fantastic it might seem when you do a though examination of the events happening on and then following 9/11.  They do affirm in fact what a linguistic specialist a simio technian that consulted first called “Persuasive Evidence of An Open Conspiracy” involving the symbolism involving 911 and then later said there is an undeniable occult signature linked to 911. Now what are they talking about?  And so 911 might be thought of in occultic terms as a mega ritual offering; now I would hate to think that we’re talking here about the people that died on 911, but occultism it would have to be powerful enough to compel the supernatural forces of nation to move towards these new world order goals that ultimately are going to result in the coming of the god of freemasonry.

Sid: Tell me about the events of 9/11 literally prophesied in the US currency.

Tom:  Well, you know Sid there’s something very curious related to numerology it’s something that could illustrate there was a foreknowledge of 911 that had existed for some time.  It’s what I call in the book “The US Currency Origami Prophecy”; strange title right?  It could be that it’s nothing more than a coincidence but following the attack on the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center at New York City and at the Pentagon it was discovered that by folding the US $20 bill three times in a specific way it appears to be an image of the Twin Towers hit and smoking and turns up on one side and then the Pentagon on fire on the other side. Now producing both of those images simultaneously on opposite sides of the dollar folded in that way and there’s occultism on that it produces.  There were three other things that we won’t talk about but what I did then when I found that out was I got the other new versions of the US currency and I found something extraordinary, and that is that by folding the same… folding the US currency in concurrent denominations in exactly the same way.  So we’re talking about a $5 bill; a $10 bill; a $20 bill; a $50 bill; a $100 bill all in that order creates the complete the complete template of the attack of 9/11.  And in other words when the $5 bill is folded that way it portrays the Twin Towers just standing there unharmed.  In advance to the $10 bill folded the same way the Twin Towers are shown after the first strike.  Fold the $20 bill accordingly it produces the Towers and on the opposed side the Pentagon has just been attacked.  Now fold the $50 bill and it shows the Twin Towers starting to crumble and the $100 bill depicts the aftermath and nothing but smoke rising into the air.

Sid: Okay just because of time tell me the tie in with the Mayan calendar and Masons.

Tom:  In my opinion Sid this is one of the most important fantastic discoveries that we made during the “Zenith 16” investigation and it was how Aztec and Maya civilizations they first saw a connection between the year 1776 and the ending date 2012 and they saw that as the final countdown to what afterward would be a final judgment.  And there is academic research that shows that the Mayan prophet who made these prophecies was a convert to Christianity. And that he was accurately predicting what he called the “Christian Final Judgment.”  Well, what’s interesting about his prophecies is that he predicted in 1776 there would be a 13 step countdown of 19.7 years.  Well that ends in the year 2012 after which he said the return of this horrible destroyer god would return to the earth and this great tribulation would begin.  When I read that research which was done by an academic by the name of Richard Lucston.  When I read his interpretation of these 500 year old Mayan prophecies what leaped off the pages was that this was an exact rendition of what had been repeated on the great seal of the United States.  Where the base of an unkempt pyramid in roman numerals you have 1776; over which there are 13 steps which Free-masons have told us that throughout time there was 13 distinct period of time ending in the year 2012.  Over which hovers the portentous eye which Horus represents the return of the god Apollo.

Sid: And so once again which is the Christian anti-Christ, but go ahead.

Tom:  Which again is the Christian anti-Christ and of course people will have to read the book to get all the information because what that set in motion was not only did I see replicated on the great seal identical these 500 year old Mayan prophecies.  I wanted to know if that was a coincidence, or was the designers of Washington, DC aware of these Maso-American beliefs.  And if they were aware did they intentionally incorporate these belief systems in the layout of Washington, DC and the great seal of the United States. I found fabulous irrefutable evidence that they were aware of it.  And in fact they incorporated it on the great seal. Not just that even inside the US Capitol dome Constantino Brumidi painted the Aztec calendar stone and the freeze of American history that rolled over in the year 2012 and he coupled all the symbolism together with it.  People are going to have to read the “Zenith 2016.”

Sid: Tom in addition to the Mayan calendar and the Mason tie in tie it in with theologians, Protestant theologians, at the turn of the century.

Tom:  Yeah, that’s true Christian scholars of the past actually saw the rise of the anti-Christ system and the destruction of Rome arriving in the year between 2012 and the 2016.  And in fact there was a whole plethora of them including the famous reformer Jonathan Edwards, “Old Sinners in the hands of an angry God.” Jonathan Edwards believed that the anti-Christ would arrive between 2012 and 2016. The Zohar which is such an important part of Jewish part of Kabala prophesied the arrival of their messiah in the year; following the year 2013.  They prophesied that 700 years ago; so the Maya saw the return of their god; the Aztecs; the Cherokee; the Hindu Kali Yuga; numerous ancient calendars predicting that the gods would return sometime between the years 2012 and 2016 exactly what the Free-masons also predicted on the great seal of the United States of America.

Sid: I have to tell you the thing that’s so mind blowing to me I mean everything that you’re talking about is mind blowing to me, but the half-human; half-animal.  The same thing that we read about in the Bible of the falling angels have being relations with the daughters of mankind and producing these super humans.  I’m just fascinated by this information; how in the world did you get all of this together like you did?

Tom:  Well, a great deal of investment also just being willing.  I went to DARPA, I went to the top US agencies. I found out that 150 human animals hybrid animals had been grown in UK labs.  And I just… it’s taken me some years some time and some monetary investment.  And what people are going to find is that we don’t use secondary sources.  It’s not just some guy on a blog site; these are all authoritative research products and materials based on departments of the US government giving grants for research.

Sid: Alright, our time is up; the book “Zenith 2016.”

Sid: My guest Leif Hetland is from Norway. He lives in the United States in Florence, Alabama. He had what he described as a Baptism of Love that took him out of the realm of legalistic religious Christianity into the realm, as he puts it, son-ship with God.  It took him out of the realm of striving into the realm of peace and grace and rest.  That took him out of the realm that so many of you find yourself in. You are a Christian, but you’re involved in a form of escapism.  And you have your escapism in sports, or food, or work or pornography, or TV.  Leif Hetland is it possible to have this escapism in religion?

Leif: Oh definitely and it is not just that all the statistics show it but also my experience as I travel around the country. Especially with men; I see many of them are struggling with a pimp in their mind and they can’t get rid of it because pain always seeks pleasure.  And you will not get it in religion and you will not get it unless it’s God’s power and you can continue to try and achieve more; go to more church services; read more pray more but you will continue to have that pain, and if you continue to have that pain seeks pleasure.  And you will find that some people are eating and some or drinking and go on internet and then they look at other things and then they feel bad and then they go to the author again and then they continue that some old spiral without being able to being able to be set free.

Sid: So someone’s saying “He’s speaking to me okay, I know this what is going to stop it?”

Leif: First of all I think that we need to confess that there is an orphan spirit that is in each one of us that we’re struggling with.  And that is that chair number two.

Sid: Now for those that unfortunately that were not listening on Friday you must explain the 3 chairs.

Leif:  Yes, first of all as a foundation what I did was if you just imagine 3 chairs that is in front of you.  Every one of us are living our lift out of one of these 3 chairs. There’s kind of a define in different types of people that are living in the world that is in your family or in your neighborhood or in the nations.  Chair number 1 is a chair of commitment and that is a commitment to a relationship.  Chair number 2 is a chair of compromise; that means that you are a compromiser; I call it a two timers.  I love Jesus; I go to church but then the rest of the week kind of like living like the rest of the world.  Chair number 3 is conflict; they’re living a life of conflict, their looking for love; they’re looking for security; they’re looking for all of the things that chair number 1 has to offer but they’re going after the counterfeit affection that the enemy has to offer.  In chair number 1 the person is saved, and chair number 2 the person is saved, but in chair number 3 they are lost.  The church in Church in Ephesus as an example was started in chair number 1 as revival broke loose and the supernatural was natural.  And they changed the city and turned it upside down for Jesus.  But then you read about in Revelation 2 about the same church but they have left the first love and then they became a chair number 2 church a compromising church.  They were still doing the right things but they had left the first love; but think about chair number 1 where you stood before you fell. Chair number 1 you will see that supernatural is what is natural.  And what I’ve seen in the life of Jesus it was not just for the 12 or the Apostle; you saw it for the 70 and eventually in Mark 16 it was for whoever believes.

Sid: Well, the First Church started in chair number 1, but over time the same thing that happened to my Jewish people when Jesus said “You’re tradition has made void the Word of God.”  It’s been going on and now it’s 2000 years of Christianity and so nothing new under the sun.

Leif:  No and you will find this pattern in every aspect of society, you can look at Harvard; you can look at Princeton and some of the greatest ivy league schools in America was started in chair number 1 but today they are in chair number 3 in conflict not believing at all.  You can see with the Israelites Joshua he said “As for me and my house we will serve the Lord” chair number 1.  The elders of the next generation they were talking about what God was doing they didn’t have a chair number 1 experience themselves so the result was that the next generation that followed the compromisers didn’t believe at all.  And we have often said it in America right now that we have the generation X and Y is considered an unreached people group and mainly because that we’ve had parents that was compromisers and you see mommy and daddy said “We love you Jesus, He’s my provider; He’s my healer,” but they don’t see the fruits and the results.  Because when they are sick they don’t trust Jesus that He is the one that He is the healer and that He is Jehovah Rapha that if they need provision they trust in Visa and Master Card.  I’m not preaching against that but it’s just what they have observed the chiller.  And the result of that is that there’s a whole generation that they’re living in conflict.  The good news of this is that whole verse that “They have been drinking out of the polluted waters of the enemy.  Now they have been so sick of that they have been coming to chair number 1 and they get to drink of the pure…

Sid: But what about what about those in chair number 2 that run to meetings all over the world really where there’s an outpouring of God’s Spirit and they’re really genuinely touched by God, as you explained last week when I interviewed you, that the minute they walk out they kind of spring a leak.  Why is that?

Leif:  Again there is a saying that if you do not deal with those love deficits in your life and I also call the orphan spirit.  Every one of us we are living our life we’re looking for a home or we have a home.  When I am saying that it is I’m not talking about a 10,000 square ft. house or a trailer park.  I am talking a place of security chair number 1.  They are secure; a place of security.  That’s what Adam and Eve had before the fall came in; a place of love; a place of receive love and give love where you’re hearing the Father God’s speaking “You my beloved Son; you my beloved daughter whom I love and whom I am well pleased.”  You are receiving love and you are giving love where you are valuable and you look in that mirror and you are rejoicing that you are fearfully and wonderfully made.  An affirmation is coming both from Heaven and people around you and you are living with a purpose and destiny among 6.2 billion people even if you are sweeping the floor at the Wal-Mart Store you know that I am created to do that in the best way and I’m representing the Kingdom of God right here in what I am doing right here.  If that is in the media or the marketplace; but if they have those things settled in their life the most of the people going to these meetings they’re going after.  They have counterfeit affection is what I call it; meaning that possession is the counterfeit affection.  If you are not secure, possession is the counterfeit affection.  If you are not as a saying experiencing the love passion; and that can be passion for religion, passion for experience, passion for sex, passion for money, passion for all kinds of things.  And there is nothing wrong with passion as long as it is not the love deficit, and if you do not understand your value position.  Well, if I just get married or I just become deacon; and a lot of churches is possessed by deacon possessed people that are looking for position.

Sid: Hm.

Leif:  Because of the love deficits in their life so that they can be in control.  And if you don’t understand your purpose and destiny and then you can see power is the counterfeit affection.  That means “I’m going to be in control, I’m not going to be hurt any longer.”  And you put up all these different walls.

Sid: Now what I’ve seen in America and I’ve never seen this before Leif; is that there are more wonderful Christians, and of course they’re in chair number 2 as you describe it.  And don’t seem to be bothered by it because they’re finding church irrelevant.

Leif:  Yeah, and I do believe that that is very accurate and I understand why; I can be honest with you that a lot of the churches both that I have visited even pastored I can understand why people wouldn’t come there.  Because the Jesus of the Bible does not show up and often happened over a period of time and me and Randy Clark talked about it this past week.  We called it the reversed circle, you may be coming there with an expectation of healing to happen or for having a God encounter to happen.  The next time you come you have less expectation or less faith and it just continued to go down until eventually it becomes just another place where you go and you have some good songs and you have a good message.  But I could be honest with you the world around there has other things to offer that has more attractive and makes me feel better then coming there.  And you have the opposite where you started hearing what you have that is wrong in your life but nobody gives you the medicine and the cure and the power to make it right.  So here you hear that you you’re a sinner and you should pray more or you should do this more.  And then you try harder and it doesn’t work and then you suddenly give up and you start being under condemnation or you’re sitting there and you’re kind a being bored to death because of the saying “There is no power.”  

SID: Now before we get the secret documents to take over the United States and Europe by the Muslim Brotherhood that have been uncovered, I believe it was the Swiss that found these secret documents, tell me a bit about the history of the Muslim Brotherhood.

ERICK: Well Sid, from the beginning of this group, the Muslim Brotherhood, they have been steeped in violence and the ideology of martyrdom, dying for Allah. Their founding creed reads in part, “Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.” This is their motto.

SID: Stop for a second. Moderate? How do you call that moderate? I don’t get it, Eric.

ERICK: You know, they say—

SID: It’s not a Democratic line. It’s not a Republican line. Both Republicans and Democrats called them moderate.

ERICK: Without a doubt.

SID: Is that still their goal?

ERICK: Yes. Sid, that goal, and when Muslim Brotherhood leaders darken the halls of the White House today, that remains their motto. They’ve never changed it since 1928, when they were founded. “Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.” And Sid, from the beginning of this organization, founded in Egypt in 1928, seven members, within 20 years, it grew to within one and two million members, within only 20 years of its founding. From the beginning, they lived up to that motto, Sid. They harassed the Jews of Egypt. They worked in particular with the Nazis. They worked, Sid, the Muslim Brotherhood, with Hitler’s war machine to extend the Final Solution from Europe to the Jews of the Middle East and North Africa. The Brotherhood actually sent battalions, when Israel was miraculously reborn in 1948, the Brotherhood sent battalions to fight against the new Jewish state. They assassinated Egyptian leaders, assassinated an Egyptian Prime Minister. This is an organization steeped in violence who, by the way, Sid, not only did they spawn Al-Qaeda, but Hamas, which has killed American citizens, which kills Jewish women and children on a daily basis, they self-identify themselves as the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. Hamas is the Muslim Brotherhood.

SID: Now were they involved in the assassination of Sadat?

ERICK: Muslim Brotherhood absolutely, Sid. In 1981, former Egyptian President Anwar Sadat, Muslim Brotherhood members participated in the killing of Sadat a few years after he struck that peace treaty between Egypt and Israel.

SID: That was the reason.

ERICK: That was the reason, Sid. The Brotherhood never let him live it down and they had a bulls eye on his back.

SID: Okay. Tell me about the secret documents to totally destroy the United States.

ERICK: Well you have two. It’s very interesting, Sid. You have, on one hand, documents found in North America outside of Washington, as we were discussing. But then you have The Project. That’s a document that you referenced, discovered by Swiss authorities right after 9-11. Now Swiss authorities conducted a raid of a leading Brotherhood operative’s home in a luxurious villa, I might add. These guys, again, they’re living the high life in many cases. And this document has become known as The Project. And what it is, is a Muslim Brotherhood secret plan to dominate Europe, dominate America. And what they’re going to do, Sid, is mass immigration, number one, proselytizing, number two. Number three, building mosques across Europe, across America, and number four, key point here, Sid, get jobs in the halls of power, in the media, academia, government. We’re seeing it in Europe. We’re seeing it in the U.S. Also working with like-minded, perhaps not ideologically similar, but the left, for instance, in Europe and America, we see the Brotherhood working closely with the left.

SID: Now wait a second. Political left is not going to be aligned with someone that wants to kill homosexuals. I mean, no, it doesn’t make sense, Eric.

ERICK: Sid, it makes no sense. Strange bedfellows. Everyone at home is probably thinking the left will be first ones with their heads on the chopping block if Islamic Sharia Law came into power. But here’s the sticking point.

SID: Is that their goal?

ERICK: That is their goal. Sharia Law for one and all whether we like it or not.

SID: What’s going to happen, bottom line, to women?

ERICK: Well there will be no women’s rights and every woman from small rural —

SID: How does the far left get together with them?

ERICK: Sid, it makes, our heads might explode here on set trying to wrap our heads around this. Here’s the deal, Sid, and here’s the key point people at home need to remember. Why would radical Islamists who want Sharia Law and hard core radical leftists who want, I guess, a Marxist utopia, why would they work together? They seem like strange bedfellows. Sid, they share a common foe: Judeo-Christian Western civilization. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, that old adage. They hate traditional America, traditional Judeo-Christian Western civilization, which is based on the Ten Commandments. They hate it so much. They hate the name of Yeshua, Jesus, so much that they will work together at least in the short term to chip away at traditional America and traditional Western civilization.

SID: When we come back from the break, I want to find out about the next war in the Middle East. I also want you to realize a man by the name of Adolf Hitler wrote a book called “Mein Kampf,” in which he outlined everything he was going to do. No one took him serious. We have an outline of what the Muslim Brotherhood is planning their strategy. Let’s take them serious. When we come back, I also want to find out when God spoke to Eric and told him what his calling was.

SID: My guest Bruce Malone is a scientist. He was with Dow Chemical for 30 years. He was one of the top 100 inventors. He had 18 inventions that raised millions of dollars. But taking you back when you were in college, you told me God was irrelevant to you. But you had a deadly virus and because of this deadly virus you came to your senses and became a believer in Messiah. But what I want him to tell you, as a scientist that could not possibly believe in creationism, that could not possibly believe that there was a worldwide flood, he goes to church shortly thereafter and he hears a lecture by a creationist. What effect did it have on you?

BRUCE: Well it shook my entire view of reality. I mean, everything I had been taught is this earth is billions of years old. And yet, this speaker was showing how fossils could not possibly billions of years old. And the more I studied, the more I realized that’s true. I mean, if you think about a fossil, it’s a dead animal caught in a rock layer. And yet, a fish that dies in your aquarium, it doesn’t turn into a fossil. It doesn’t fossilize. It’s just eaten up and deteriorates, and turns into food for other animals.

SID: So what makes a fossil?

BRUCE: In order to make a fossil, you have to have something die and be buried very deeply and very rapidly, and then lots of water flush through the rock layers as the sediment is turned into rock. And yet, there are billions of dead things turned into fossils in rock layers covering this entire planet. It’s testimony that this entire globe has been deluged by an incredible flood in the fairly recent past.

SID: And what effect did that have on you?

BRUCE: Well I realize what I had been told about world history couldn’t possibly be true because the very rocks themselves don’t match the characteristics of these huge time periods.

SID: But you also found out that this whole thing you believe, this theory of evolution, was false. Tell me one of the major reasons.

BRUCE: Well I’ll give you two major reasons. When you go to the bottom of these rock layers that were laid down under water, they were all laid down under water, you find enormous gaps between every very different kind of creature. You’ll find single cell organisms and starfish with nothing in between. How do you do that? How do you go from a single cell to a starfish and leave nothing in between? It’s like it was created. There are starfish and lobsters, and coral, and different kinds of animals, very different from each other with enormous gaps. Second, we have very recently been discovering dinosaur bones that have totally unfossilized soft, stretchy tissue inside the bones. Now Sid, think about this. If your grandfather’s dog died and he buried it in his backyard and you came back 50 years later and dug in that spot, would you find any bones left, any soft tissue left? No, you wouldn’t.

SID: It would all be decayed.

BRUCE: All things that used to be alive totally decay. They turn back into molecules that totally disappear. No fossils are tissue that have turned into rock. But inside of that rock we find soft tissue. It can’t be there unless those bones were buried very recently. And we have found dozens of these dinosaur bones with soft tissue in Montana, in Siberia, over in Europe, around the world still with soft tissue inside of them.

SID: So where did we get the earth is a million, a billion years old, or whatever?

BRUCE: Well you have to realize what’s going on in science. There are only two possibilities to explain everything. I mean, pretend the entire earth is represented by this puzzle, this box.

SID: Okay.

BRUCE: Either the puzzle made itself—either all the pieces, which are like the animals we find all over the earth, made themselves—or something outside of this box made the box. Science has been defined as only allowing natural processes.

SID: So what you’re saying to me is, you’re telling me over a billion years that I could throw these pieces like this and they’ll all make themselves into a puzzle. You got more faith than I got.

BRUCE: Exactly. That’s the way science operates. Let’s just pretend it made itself. But I’m telling you, the laws of science show us it couldn’t have made itself. And the evidence from the rock layers say they were laid down rapidly.

SID: I’m going to tell you something. The evidence that he has, it’s irrefutable. I want you to think for yourself. We’re going to come back and you’re going to find out something that is as ridiculous as these pieces of a puzzle making themselves.