SID: Okay. I am so intrigued over words of knowledge. Briefly, what is a word of knowledge?

RANDY: Well it’s supernatural knowledge you don’t get through education or learning, or any natural means. For my case, it works in helping with healing. God wants to heal. But I know people who sometimes get words of knowledge that lift them to go into the highest position or company in electrical engineering because there will be a problem they haven’t figured out, and they’ll pray it out, and God will tell them what the problem is. So it’s knowledge that you get that’s not by natural means.

SID: How did you, how were you mentored to move in this gift that you say, and correct me if I’m wrong, everyone that’s a believer in the Messiah can move in this gift.

RANDY: I believe everybody can. Some will move in it more than others, but I believe everybody can.

SID: Okay, but how did you start moving in this?

RANDY: A guy told me on the telephone in five minutes how to get words of knowledge and a few days later I started having them.

SID: Okay. Five minutes. Go for it, Randy.

RANDY: You feel pain is not your pain, so you feel it. You have an impression of some disease or something, or somebody’s name, so you think you can see how they were hurt. Maybe it’s an area of an accident or a part of the body, like a mental picture, a daydream so you can see it. You can see a word on somebody, which is like you actually see the word, so you can read it. You can say it like you’re praying for somebody or talking to somebody, and you hear yourself saying something you didn’t think you were going to. An odd experience that God gives you an interpretation to can be one of the ways and you can also dream them, have a dream about it in advance, and then the dream gives you the faith you know what God wants to do. Those are several ways to have words of knowledge.

SID: How does dreaming work with you? How did that start?

RANDY: I talked to somebody. I was interviewing people that had raised the dead in Mozambique. That’s one of my hobbies to interview people who had been raised or people who had been raising the dead. And I asked these three guys that all raised the dead if they had words of knowledge after the interview. [unintelligible] They said, yes. And I said, well how do you get [them], and I didn’t know you could dream them. And he said, no, we dream them. I said, well, how does that work, and then they told me. Within two weeks, I’m in Brazil and I have a dream. I see two hands, no body, no arms, just two hands with something stuck here, sticking out two inches past the palm. So I gave it. Wasn’t sure it was God or not because it was my first one. And the guy came running from the back row. I could see a big [unintelligible] hand there. He puts his hand in mine like that and before I could say, “Come Holy Spirit,” it’s already been healed. It had been paralyzed open. He had a massive scarring. He had something sticking all the way from here. It did stick out two inches out past his palm. So when he heard the Word, he knew it was for him. He knew he was going to be healed. He was healed by the Word. I had very little to do it with it. Except I said, Lord, that is so easy, can we have more of those?

SID: All right. I’m going to stand. Okay. Here’s what I need you to do. I need you to yield to the Spirit of God and speak with God tells you right now.

RANDY: Okay. I think there are some things that God wants to heal and in the last 30 minutes I started getting words of knowledge, I felt most of them. The one of them is that somebody has something wrong with the bone on the out right side of the ankle, the ankle bone on the right side, and God wants to heal that and somebody else, you had a brain injury. It was an accident, but I actually think it’s a car accident. It’s a result of a brain injury and some complication, and I believe the Lord is going to heal that. I think there’s somebody by the name of Mariah. I know that’s a very uncommon name. I think God wants to heal somebody with the name of Mariah and there’s someone who you’re about to lose your marriage because you had a spirit of jealousy, and God wants to deliver you from that spirit of jealousy. And somebody, you have pain in the right bottom part of your heart, God wants to heal that. And that’s enough for now. So Father, in the name of Jesus, we bless the people that those are for. We speak to the bone and the right ankle be healed, also below the inside of the right ankle and the left side, not the bone, but in the tissue there, there’s something wrong there, that be healed. We speak to the heart. We speak to the jealousy issue, that spirit of jealousy to leave. God, you heal whatever has caused that man to have that. And Lord, we just speak in the name of Jesus, whoever it is, whatever Mariah has got, and also to the brain damage. In Jesus’ name, God, may they know this is your will and since they know it’s your will, may they have faith. And I agree with it in Jesus’ name for their healing. Amen.

SID: Now some of you may be asking, what is the purpose of a miracle? After all, our sins are forgiven. We’re going to go to Heaven. What do we need miracles for? Well I’m going to give you a good reason why you need a miracle, because that’s the way the Messiah of Israel operated. That’s a good a reason I know. He demonstrated the Kingdom and then he earned the right to present how people can know the king. Now because we don’t have, and Randy was almost talked out of it, because we don’t have people in every congregation that are believers everywhere operating in the supernatural, we have Plan B. But Plan B only works for a few people. I have spoken for as many as 450 Jewish people that don’t know the Messiah, operating just the way Randy did, in words of knowledge, 30, 40, stand up and say, I’ve just been healed, and for two hours I have earned the right to tell them why they were healed. That’s why you need miracles. That’s why you need miracles because the king is coming back soon for a kingdom. And God wants you in the kingdom. You’ve heard enough to make Jesus your Messiah and Lord, to repent of your sins, to tell him that you’re sorry and believe the blood of Jesus not only washes them away, but gives you the power to be victorious. And then you invite the life of Messiah to come inside of you. Someone’s neck was just healed. Just move your head, you’ll see. The pain is gone. In fact, pain of any kind is going right now. And I want you to know something. As Randy said, God values you, God loves you. He sent his son to die a horrific death because he loves you so much. You are loved by God. Remember that.

SID: Hello. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. I have been so looking forward to this show, because my guest is from England. She’s a businesswoman. She opens up shops, but they’re very unusual shops. They have signs in the window: “We pray for miracles. We interpret dreams.” Who’s ever heard of such a shop like this? And large numbers of non-believers of the Messiah go into her shop. And God must be so pleased. For the first time we got down the four walls and we’re doing what we’re created to do. Better than 90 percent of these non-believers get miracles and healings when they walk into the shop and then they are open to a presentation that there’s only one way to know God, and that’s through the Jewish rabbi, Jesus. So Alice, I love what God is doing in your life. I love the fact that you’re in the marketplace, you’re starting businesses. And I’ve seen the picture of the sign in one of your businesses, and the sign says, it’s like in chalkboard, and it says: “Free! Healings, miracles, dream interpretation.” Do many non-believers take advantage of this?

ALISS: I’m surprised by the number of people that come in that just walking down the street, they’re doing their shopping, they’re coming as tourists, they’re visiting Chester, and they see the sign. They come in asking about free miracles.

SID: Well you know, it didn’t just happen. What I find is many that operated in the gift of miracles, there was a price to pay. Alice, you tell me that you cried out for 12 years. What do you mean by that?

ALISS: Well I read the scriptures. I read the miracles that Jesus did. I read that he told us that we could do the same and even greater things. And I read about past revivalists that were doing this stuff, and I thought, I want to do that. I just believe the Bible and I want to do it. But I would pray for people and I didn’t see miracles happening. And people would say, just give up, you’ve been trying too long.

SID: Not just people. There’s a little voice in your head that says, not for me. I identify that voice right now. It’s the devil. Go ahead.

ALISS: Yeah. But I just said, no, I believe what the Word of God says. So I’m going to continue.

SID: But 12 years is a long time.

ALISS: Twelve long years. I would be up in the night. I was praying. I was crying, I was fasting. I mean, people, you know, I prayed. People would get worse. Some people died. I mean, it was a nightmare.

SID: Okay. You open your shop. You have that nice sign in the window. Tell me one of the first miracles that happened.

ALISS: Well, to start with, we opened a café and it was in a housing estate with lots of crime and drugs. And this teenager comes in and the police have warned us about him. Out of the whole neighborhood of 18,000 people, we’re warned about this one young guy. And he comes in. He gives a false name.

SID: Can you picture that? The one person they’re warned about, she’s warned by the police about, wanders into their shop. I’m sorry. Go ahead.

ALISS: Yeah. You know, it was just as soon as we opened our café. He comes in and we just happen to be talking about words of knowledge. So we say, “Would you like a word of knowledge?” So we tell him something that he was doing the day before where he got into trouble. And he’s like, “How do you know that?” And I said to him, “Well…”

SID: If I was the police department, I’d hire her.

ALISS: So I said to him, I said, “Because God was there and God just told me what you did.” And he was like, “God was there!” I mean, he was so scared. The color drained from his face. But he had a broken ankle because he had been climbing onto a roof of a house.

SID: Why was he climbing on the roof?

ALISS: Well you know, he was trying to break in the house.

SID: Okay.

ALISS: And he fell off the roof, broke his ankle. And a lot of these people, they won’t to to hospital because the police would find out. So he said, we said to him, “Can we pray for your ankle and Jesus will heal it.” He says, “Yeah, whatever.” So we pray for his ankle. Instantly, the bones reconstructed and went back together and he was healed, and that was the first of the many miracles that we’ve had.

SID: Tell me, because this is outrageous what you’re about really, totally outrageous. I want Alice to tell me about a man by the name of Terry [name].

ALISS: That’s one of my favorite stories. This guy comes into our café and we’re talking to him about miracles. And he says, “Oh, I need a miracle.” So he explained. He said, “Five years ago,” he said, “I was climbing through a broken window.” And I would like to say, “What were you doing climbing through a broken window?”

SID: You get a lot of people like that. Have you noticed?

ALISS: We do. But we love them. God loves them so much. And he was climbing through the window and the bits of glass on the frame of the windowpane, you know, the frame, went into his fingers. And he didn’t go to hospital. So all these years later, the glass was still there. I could see marks. It was hard. His friend said, “I’ve tried with a knife to get the glass out,” it sounds disgusting, “and it wouldn’t come out.” So I said to him, I said, “Jesus will get the glass out.” So I grabbed his hands.

SID: Now when you said that, did you really believe that?

ALISS: Yeah.

SID: Okay.

ALISS: Why not? The thing is, you see, Jesus, when he died on the cross 2000 years ago, he’s done it all, so we just got to take it. So I just grabbed his hands and I said, “In the name of Jesus, I command all the glass to come out of his body.” Well he goes home. He comes back into the café the next day. He says, “You’ll never guess what happened in the night. I’ve been up all night,” he said. “Bits of glass have been coming out of my fingers on their own.” He didn’t even go to bed. He just pulled them out. It didn’t hurt. The glass was coming out. But he said, “The funny thing is,” he said, “for 30 years I’ve had a problem with my foot.” And he’d had this pain in his foot. Couldn’t walk properly. There was a hole like that in the sole of every pair of shoes he had for 30 years. And he said, “As the glass is coming out of my fingers in the night,” he thinks, “what is going on with my foot?” He looks down. He sees a tiny piece of glass.

SID: Is that what was making the hole in his shoes?

ALISS: Yeah. Nobody knew. You see, he didn’t know. I didn’t know. But the glass comes out of his foot. What I didn’t know is that there was glass there. But I’d said, “In the name of Jesus, every bit of glass come out of his body.” I didn’t say his fingers. And “At the name of Jesus, every knee is going to bow,” including glass in somebody’s foot. It had to come out.

SID: Do you know what that reminds me of? Do you remember when Jesus said, “Lazarus, come forth,” and Lazarus rose from the dead? If Jesus had said, “Dead, come forth,” oy vey. We’ll be right back.

Sid: Now I have a guest and first we found out about her from her book and it’s quite a grabber for a title. The title is “You Can be an Overnight Soul Winner.” Why is this so important? Because the truth of the matter is that most people who call themselves never lead anyone to the Lord let alone Jewish people to the Lord. And after reading this book and reading the information that’s in this book there is an anointing on this and I believe that anyone that reads this book and yields to the Spirit of God can be wise. Why do I say “Wise?” Because the Bible says “He who wins souls is wise.” Why are you wise if you win souls. Because the only thing you take to heaven with you are those that you’ve lead to the Lord. There is a soul winners crown waiting for you; I believe that this will be a destiny week; a total change in your life. And you may be the type of person that says “Well, I’m not the type that leads people to the Lord. Yes, you are you’re about to ready to find this out. My guest Debra Alderman from Stafford, Texas is provoking me to jealousy and I’ve just met her by way of the telephone but on July of 1992 Jesus walked into her living room. Now the Bible, Debra the Bible says that the gentle is to provoke the Jew to jealousy but this is ridiculous; you’re getting me jealous already. Tell me what happened on July of ’92?

Debra: Well, Sid the most supernatural thing happened in July of 1992. I had already been serving God for a number of years and I was in full-time ministry; traveling and preaching the gospel across America and to Africa and England and other countries around the world. And I was just sitting in my one bedroom pink apartment in July of 1992 and at that time I loved pink and Sid I moved on to other colors but at that time the carpet in my apartment was pink; my walls were pink and even the fuzzy thing on the toilet was pink. And that night I was just sitting on my couch and it just seemed like an ordinary night and I had my Bible in my hand and I was preparing Sid to go speak at a ladies meeting the next day. And all of a sudden Jesus walked into the living room of my one bedroom pink apartment. And I’d never saw Jesus with my natural eyes and I know of people that that has happened to but I knew that Jesus walked into the room because His presence filled the room.

Sid: Well, when you say “His presence filled the room.” I have been at meetings where there’s different degrees of anointing. But was this way beyond a very anointed meeting?

Debra: This was way beyond that; this was Sid a personal visitation that I had from Jesus on that night.

Sid: Okay, tell me what He did or said.

Debra: Well, when He walked into the living room into my one bedroom pink apartment I stood up off of my couch on to the floor because I was getting ready to pray or to say something. And you know Sid a lot of times you know when Jesus comes to visit us or His presence comes into the room a lot of time as human beings we don’t know how to respond. And that was the case with my self that night; I didn’t know how to respond.

Sid: I’ve never had that problem; He’s never come in to my room I’m jealous.

Debra: (Laughing)

Sid: But go ahead.

Debra: I’ll tell you I didn’t know how to respond and you know I opened my mouth and I got ready to pray and I heard Jesus or I heard the Holy Spirit go “Sh, be quiet don’t say anything Debra I want to talk to you.” And that night as I stood Sid on the floor in my living room Jesus said “Debra I’ve called you to be a soul winner and from this forward the anointing that I’ve placed upon your life to win the lost is about to intensify.” And I tell you what Sid I really did not realize to the extent of what Jesus was really saying to me that night. I thanked Him; you know in a few minutes it’s like the visitation was over and Jesus never said another word.” And I said well thank You Lord because Sid I’d already been winning souls. I mean my sister that lead me to the Lord when I was a 20 year old college student she was a number 1 soul soul winner. And so I would be with her in different places and my older sister Tina she was always witnessing to this person and that person winning souls and so I was winning souls Sid. But I tell you I didn’t really realize what God had done in my life until about 24 hours Jesus had visited me in my one bedroom pink apartment. I was returning home that evening from the grocery store and I saw a young man walking along side of the road who I recognized from my local church. and his name was Steven so I knew that something was wrong he needed transportation and I just got out and chatted with him a minute and he jumped in my car and I offered to drop him off at his department complex I realized I was on an extremely bad side of town. There were a lot of drugs, alcohol, sin and this particular apartment complex. And Sid I could hardly wait to get Steven out of my car; I was thinking God if he doesn’t get out fast enough I’m going to push him out. Because I could hardly wait to get out of that apartment complex and get back to the good side of town where I lived. But you know what Sid God had a completely different plan for that night. When I dropped Steven off the only place there was for me to turn my car around was in that dark alley way of this apartment complex. And that particular night there happened to be about 16 teenagers playing volleyball and basketball in the ally way and I had to kind of interrupt their game to get my car turned around. And Sid when I was almost out of that apartment complex I heard Jesus say…now keep in mind it’s 24 hours after He had visited me in my apartment complex Debra turn your car around and go back into that dark alley way and preach Jesus Christ to those teenagers.

Sid: Now, was there a chance that you could have talked yourself out of it and said “That’s just my thoughts, that’s not Jesus.”

Debra: Oh, I could have easily talked myself out of it because of this very first thing that I did was I just started arguing back and forth with God. I was like “God you have got the wrong person; I mean yes I’m preaching across America and in different parts of the world and I’m leading people to You but I have never in my life have I ever stood in a dark alleyway of an apartment complex and about 10:30 and 11:00 PM at night by myself and preached Jesus Christ to a bunch of street teenagers.” And the more I began to tell God He had the wrong person the more God began to speak to me Sid saying “Are you going to be obedient to Me; are you going to do what I’m asking you to do; I’m asking you to turn your car around and step out by faith and do something that you never done before.” And so out of obedience to the Lord I was afraid; I had never done anything like this before.

Sid: You know what that reminds me of; it reminds me of Peter being told to walk on the water.

Debra: Yes.  

Sid: Just imagine the courage it took for him to take that first step?

Debra: Absolutely. And you know so many people you know preach about how you know Peter took his eyes off of Jesus and sunk. But I like to preach about the part that he was the only one of the disciples that dared to walk on the water.

Sid: So you started literally walking on water from the viewpoint of I mean how many teenagers were there playing basketball?

Debra: There were about 16 teenagers; there was males and females.

Sid: And this was in a dark area in Houston, Texas about what time at night?

Debra: It was in between 10:30 and 11:00 PM.

Sid: My goodness that is a tough call; you decided to be obedient.

Debra: I decided to be obedient Sid and so I turned my car around I had no idea what I was going to say or what I was going to do.   And Sid this is just another reason why I know that if God can used me to be a soul winner God can use anybody to be a soul winner. And that night when I drove my car back into the dark alley way they’re seeing me for the second time now I’ve already interrupted their game to turn my car around; now they’re seeing me coming back. And so I got out of my car and I didn’t know what to do but you know when you don’t know what to do Sid you just know that the Holy Spirit He’s in charge; He’s in control and I walked up to this big old tall guy and he was dribbling a basketball I’ll never forget him as long as I live. And he was so tall he was looking down at me and I’m a very short person I’m only 5’2” tall and he’s looking down at me and I’m looking up at him and I don’t know what to say so I just kind of cleared my voice. And I said “Can I have your attention I have something to tell you.” And I’ll never forget it Sid he stopped dribbling his basketball and he looked down at me and he said “Well, what have you got?” And so at that moment of time I just looked at all of those teenagers and I said “Everybody come over here I’ve got something good to tell you tonight.” And so all of the teenagers to my shocking surprise stopped what they were doing walked over to where I was and at that point I just began to share with them I said “Jesus loves you; I don’t normally come down alley’s I the middle of the night however God has sent me.” And you know Sid if you ever tell anyone that God has sent you they’ll listen to you because they think that you’re crazy anyhow. And so I just said “You know Jesus loves you; He has a great plan for your life and tonight you can invite Jesus Christ to come live in your heart and you can be 100% sure when you leave this earth that you will go to heaven to be with Jesus forever. And I said it just seemed like one of the teenagers that night looked at me and said “Yeah, that would be cool.” And I just couldn’t help to think to myself that heaven is a lot cooler than hell. And so I said “Join hands with me and we’re going to get ready to pray because every teenager in that dark alley way that night said “I want to receive Jesus Christ as my Savior.” And Sid what I did not know was that when I was sharing Christ with all of these young people one of the teenagers mothers was standing several feet behind me listening to every word that I said. And before we got ready to pray I didn’t know that she was back there; I didn’t know that she had been listening to me but she just yelled out with a loud voice “Wait, don’t pray without me; I want to make sure that I’m going to heaven also.”

Sid: You know Debra we’re out of time right now but Mishpochah I’m telling you that we’re coming into times where the Holy Spirit’s going to go ahead of you just as He did with Debra. How would you have liked to have had the opportunity of leading all of those people to the Lord. Well, Debra says that you can be an overnight soul winner because it happened to her.

Sid: I have to tell you I’ve been looking forward to this interview for a long time. I have a friend that many of you have heard of his name is Rick Joyner. And Rick and I were in his airplane one day and I said “Rick who do you suggest that I interview on my show.” And without blinking an eye he told me about Aliss Cresswell. And she’s from United Kingdom, Chester and he said “I’ll tell you what if you get her to come to the US I will have her speak at my place.” And I said “You got a deal Rick.” And then the more I found out about her Aliss, approximately when you pray for nonbeliever’s and you pray for non-believers all the time what percent get healed would you say?”

Aliss: “Oh, gosh maybe something like 90% I would say.?”

Sid: That’s outrageous, you realize that don’t you.

Aliss: I know it’s amazing.

Sid: You know what I believe that anything Aliss does you can do and maybe you can get to that 100%. And Aliss when you were 11 you saw your first miracle, tell me about that.

Aliss: I did, well I was in my church in Chester and we had an evangelist came to speak to our church. And there was a boy and he was the son of the Pastor and I knew him fairly well, he was younger than I was but he had something wrong with his leg. And his leg was twisted and it was deformed; he leg was too short and he had what we call calapost like a metal brace on his leg. And he couldn’t walk properly; and the evangelist called him to the front and he called all of us children and young people to come up to the front and he said “You’re going to witness a miracle.” And so it was so good because he asked us all to pray; so he got all of us young people and children praying for this young boy. And right in front of my eyes I witnessed my first miracle. The boy took the brace off of his leg and I just saw his leg it twisted back into position where it should be and it grew out quite a few inches and it was right in front of me. And from that day I knew that Jesus loved to do miracles.

Sid: And at 15 you got your first word of knowledge; I have to tell you I didn’t become a believer coming from a traditional Jewish background until I was 30. So you had a head start on me. Tell me about that first word of knowledge and what you do with it? I know with my first word of knowledge I didn’t even know what to do with it.

Aliss: Well, what happened was it was nearly a tease; I’d been in the city of Chester I was a teenager. I was going back home on the bus and I was just sitting looking out the window next to an older lady. And I really felt like God was saying to me “Talk to the woman sitting next to you.” And in my head I was thinking “Oooh I can’t do that, I was actually quite a teenager; so I said in my head “Okay God I will speak to her if You give me something to say to her.” And I didn’t think that God was going to answer to me but He did. And straight away I had the impression that she had a daughter who had a problem with her stomach and she was very ill. So I said to her I said “Excuse me.” Now she was so deaf she couldn’t hear me very well so I had to shout and everybody was watching me and I was so nervous. But I said, I said again “I believe that…I’m a Christian and I believe that God has just told me that you have a daughter that has a problem with her stomach.” And she said “Oh yes, that is true.”

Sid: Now wait a second, when you said that you’re just 15 years old; you must have been trembling.

Aliss: I was so scared and I was a very shy teenager; I didn’t like anybody looking at me or anything. But she said to me “Yes, she’s very sick.” And I said…I didn’t know what to do then. I just felt like well if God’s given me this word for the daughter I’m going to have to pray. So I just grabbed her hand and everybody was looking at me but I didn’t care.

Sid: (Laughing)

Aliss: I prayed out and I said “God please heal her daughter.” And then I looked up and I saw that it was my bus stop so I had to jump off I said “I’ve got to go bye.” And off I went; so I never knew whether she was healed or not but at least I stepped out in obedience.

Sid: Well, you had a breakthrough and there was a key to your breakthrough and I want to make this so clear to those that are listening to us right now. You told me that you spent 12 years crying out to God for the gift of miracles; for more of God. Tell me exactly what you did during those 12 years.

Aliss: Well, what happened was I was reading the gospels and I read that Jesus says to go and tell people about Him in Mark Chapter 16. And that when we place our hands on the sick that they would get well. I was reading scriptures. I was reading about past revivalists you know about Smith Wiggles-worth and Maria Woodsworth Etter and people like this. And I was just getting so hungry reading the scriptures; reading about these past revivalists. And I would pray and I say “God, please use me; please send me and you know I want to go and I want to heal the sick; I want to raise the dead; I want to cast out demons just like You told us to do.

Sid: Now again I’m kind of I have this type of mind I really know that you can’t put God in a box. But I just want to know did you pray that once, did you pray that once a day, did you pray that 10 times a day; what were you doing?

Aliss: Well, I didn’t count but it was very often. And sometimes I would remember I would be up in the night; I would just be crying. I would go into a separate room and I’d be on my knees and I would be praying and I’d be crying out. I would be fasting, it was just like an ongoing thing over those 12 years. I saw some almost miracles but they didn’t quite happen. But what I found was that I you know a lot of people would you know give up. Whether it’s contending for your own healing or whether you want to see other people get well when you pray for them; whether you’re contending for your own business or science or what every it is people often give up to easily. But what I found was because I kept going and I was contending for 12 and it was 12 very long years I did not give up. I would not let…

Sid: Why didn’t you give up, that’s what I want to understand.

Aliss: Because I want to do what God says, because I have a very simple faith; I don’t complicate things. I read some thing that God can do it that He can use me; that He wants to use me; I read that other people could do it. And I thought “Why no me, why not now; I’m going to do it and I just did not give up.” And what I found was you know eventually the breakthrough happened and when you do have a breakthrough and you’ve been contending all of those years you know for whatever how long it is. But not only do you step into that breakthrough but the door is wide open for other people to step into that breakthrough too.

Sid: Well, there’s 2 things going on; number one what I’ve noticed is if let’s suppose you’ve had a healing for a tumor on the brain you have faith to pray for anyone that has a tumor on the brain to be healed. The same principal you’ve had your breakthrough and when you pray for people they get their breakthrough. But there’s another thing going on; heaven is coming closer to earth than ever before in history. We are as the Traditional Jewish Rabbis’ say “We are in the footsteps of Messiah; He’s ready to return.” So everything is happening quickly I believe.

Aliss: Yes. Yeah, that’s true and it’s speaking up.

Sid: Okay, now you don’t know this but Aliss and her husband have started Cafe’s and Gift Stores. And I love it in the display window what does the sign say in your stores.

Aliss: It says “Free today, healings and miracles.

Sid: And you would think that no one would pay attention to that sign but that’s not true is it?

Aliss: It’s incredible the amount of people that come into the store just by walking past and they see the sign and they come in and they say “Tell, me about the miracles.” They say “How much is it for a free miracle; how long will it take? (Laughing)

Sid: (Laughing) Okay, in 2009 you opened a Cafe and you know with this sign in the window and the miracles started. Now tell me was it gradual or was it just an explosion that happened?

Aliss: Well, it happened with one teenager; and it happened to be the teenager that the police had warned us about. Because our Cafe was opened it was in a deprived area with lots of crime and drugs. And so this guy comes in and so we got a word of knowledge for him and then he’s freaked out by the word of knowledge. And then I noticed that he was limping and I asked him what he had done? And he was climbing a roof of a house and fell off. Because often these people that we have in our cafe are trying to break into houses or they’re involved in crime. And he’d broken his ankle but he didn’t go to the hospital because they would find out what he’d been up to. So we just prayed for his ankle and told the bones to reconstruct and come back into place. And instantly the bones did as they were told by the Name of Jesus he was healed. He walked off and he said “Thank you very much I’m fine now.” And he walked out without a limp; completely healed by Jesus.

Sid: And you knew that…did you sense this was the beginning of something big?

Aliss: Well, that was after 12 years, if you could imagine I had been praying after 12 years without seeing miracles and then suddenly that happened. And then the next week during that week you know we open the cafe and more bones were healed; we had just…it really took off instantly and it hasn’t stopped and that was 5 years ago.

Sid: You know when I study the scriptures the New Testament in particular and the life of Jesus what I see is that Jesus said follow me and do what I do. Well, that’s what you’re doing Aliss. And you have 2 books, one book is called “A Diary of Miracles Part One.” The other is Part Two. And you have 2 CD’s entitled “Moving in the Power of Healing and Miracles.” And I believe that as people read your life and I mean your life it reads like the book of Acts. I mean some of these things are so amazing; and of course we’re told if everything in the book that Jesus did was in the Bible there wouldn’t be enough books to contain it. I believe that as people walk along with you through your books and your CD’s and your special prayers of impartation they’ll do the same things that you do.

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to have such a passion for God; I have my good friend Pastor Steve Gray on the telephone from World Revival Church in Kansas City. He has had 8 years of a flow of God’s River and he says the flow is getting stronger. Whereas many churches that have put their foot in the River are now going back to dead Christianity. Well, Messiah is alive and Christianity is alive and there must be something more. And many of you are listening to me because you can sense the presence of the living God on this broadcast. And you know that I interview people that are flowing in the power of God, but I have an ulterior motive; my ulterior motive you don’t have to be real intellectual to figure it out. I am an evangelist; I want to see souls saved in and a New Covenant Evangelist major job is not going out themselves and preaching the gospel but equipping the saints to claim the gospel. And that’s why I believe God intrusted to me an I do mean intrusted to me; a few years ago I had a dream in which God Himself came to me and instructed me to write a book and told me that large numbers of Jewish people would come to know Him through this book. Well, I was obedient; today this book is in 7 languages getting ready to go into it’s 8^th language. We have over a half a million of these books in print; most of them in the Russian language because the most open Jewish people group on the face of this earth are Russian Jews. And I mean if you can just at academy rewards night and there will be academy rewards night in heaven; academy rewards night in heaven if that’s all we did at this strategic time in history is to get these 100’s of 1000’s of evangelistic books that God instructed me to right. It’s 10 Jewish testimonies it’s called “They Thought for Themselves” and if all we did was get that…because you see in the former Soviet Union for instance we have this book; we’ve just shipped 3500 to a place I don’t even know where it is in the former Soviet Union and it’s called Purim. We sent a 1000 books to Magadem; that’s in Siberia; that I know because I was there. Steve do you remember seeing on the 700 Club a few years ago when I was in Siberia and some Neo-Nazi’s walked into my meeting?

Steve: Yeah, I remember seeing that program; yes.

Sid: I mean that’s an experience and you know here in America we think that’s an impossibility but I was in a meeting and some Neo-Nazi’s came in with guns; and with signs kill the Jew. And I mean that’s…you’re supposed to see that in the movies it’s not supposed to happen in real life. Listen to this; there’s a region that was called “The Jewish Kingdom” at one time in the former Soviet Union and we’re shipping a large number of books there. There are Jewish people in Siberia and in this particular area of the former Soviet Union that would never, ever hear the gospel if we couldn’t send these books. But here’s what I believe; I believe and I know that Steve believes this. I believe that if you’re listening to me it’s because God has directed you to listen to me. And I believe that if you get a copy of this book “They Thought for Themselves” 10 Jewish people from different walks of life. I mean 1 a concert pianist; another a mega millionaire; another a PhD; a Holocaust Survivor; another a former New Age Guru. Jewish people from all walks of life that have thought for themselves and come to know the Messiah. I want you to read this book for yourself and then I tell you God will tell you who to give this book to. ….because this is God’s time to reach God’s People with the gospel. And we have so many new programs that we’re doing and we’re coordinating more and we’ll talk about it perhaps on tomorrow’s broadcast. But my friend Steve Gray has been in one of the longest, continuous revival in US history it’s going on 8 years now. And Steve I remember when you first started; you’ve always as long as I’ve known you you’ve had a Jewish heart. But in Smithton, Missouri there aren’t any Jews there. Tell me how you got a Jewish heart in that tiny little city.

Steve: I had just a miraculous time with God in May the following year it started in March in 1996 and in May off 1997. And suddenly something happened to me and I began to open in the Book of Romans and begin to read in the Book of Roman’s there in Chapter 9, 10, 11, 12 that section. There was such powerful statements of Israel and they just struck me and they became alive to me. So I walked into that service that night and I preached it the way I’d seen it and my church; the church they saw it with me there was so much God I guess we were just getting our eyes opened and we got a new revelation of the importance of Israel. And I guess the big thing that happened is you know that Israel is a special case that has to go through the tribulation to be saved. I don’t know Sid if you’ve ever been taught that but a lot of us who went through Bible School and all of the traditional stuff. You know the church being the Gentiles; the non-Jews they’re all going…they’re the bride and the Jews were the people that weren’t the bride but they could still be saved but they had to be saved in the tribulation or various teachings on that. And I just immediately saw that’s ridiculous. And I said “These are the most neglected people on the face of the earth when it comes to evangelism and God wants to do something in them right now.” And the night I preached that a man was there who has a heart for Israel and he had fortunately had the money and he bought Kathy and I two tickets to Israel and paid our way and said “Go scout out the land and see what you think.” And so my first trip to Israel was within weeks of that sermon and I’ve been different ever since. And I believe that what God did in my heart and in my church at that time was as you and I know is to provoke the Jews to believe and to provoke them to jealousy. And I went over there the next trip and I flew El El and you know how they do security; you know the security there is so wo…it’s really good. If you’re in a hurry I guess you don’t think it’s good but it’s great security and a young lady was one of their security; you know they take you to several people and they split Kathy and I up so they see if we’d get our stores straight because we were going over there to be with Jews.

Sid: I hope you didn’t tell them that did you?

Steve: Well, they want to know what tour group we were going to be with. You know there was no tour group, no tour guide. I said “I’m going to go over there and see some of these people.” Well, immediately it kind of made them suspicious of us you know “Who are these people?” So finally went through everything; finally got us back together again, they looked through our luggage and this girl whose part of security comes up and says “Well I need to know why you’re going to Israel, what are you going for?” So the Lord just began to work and suddenly Kathy did most of the talking because it was a young lady and Kathy is very enthusiastic and I added my points too. And we began to tell how the glory of God had come down to this little town of Missouri; touched us with His power and the things that we began to see and the things that we began to hear. And as we were talking to her about the glory coming down; now this is a non-believing Jewish girl probably mid-twenties or probably 26 or 27 years old listening to us and as we began to talk about the glory coming down tears filled in her eyes and tears started coming down her cheeks. Now this is in Newark, New Jersey in the airport standing there getting interrogated so to speak. Tears running down her face; I continue to tell the story and it touch my husband and he began to jump up and down and be so free. And tears running down her face and she looked at me and she said “Shouldn’t that be happening in Israel?” And and I said “Yes!” And that’s why I’m going.” And she said “Then, come on through” and she let us on through. Amazing story of showing what God really wants to do in the hearts of Jewish people.

Sid: And you know what I find interesting I’m one of these people I feel the presence of God; and while you were sharing about what she said to you that Israel needs this, the anointing or the manifest presence of God just started pouring through this microphone.

Steve: Yep

Sid: I believe it’s pouring through radio’s right now and cassette players. As people are listening to us. Steve you have such a heart for the Jew in Israel; but I believe that you can pray for people to have a heart like Esther, a heart like Ruth would you do that right now.

Steve: Yeah, because I know it happened to me. “Jesus; Yeshua we ask you now to touch the hearts of the listeners; believer’s; non-believers help them get the vision; help them have their eyes open so they understand what the Spirit is saying right now that God want to move in Israel this strategic need as all the religions of the world practically look to Israel as the central; as the home as the mecca; as the Holy City; whatever place they call it with their different religions. When it happens in Israel the whole world sees. And we know God you want to show Yourself to the nations; how better Lord, how better Yeshua than to spring forth out of Israel in an undeniable move of God where Your presence is there in Biblical proportions. So open ours eyes today Yeshua to understand the necessity and the need and the possibility that You could spring forth coming down in glory and then going out as an outpouring to the nations from Israel; through the Jews and the non-Jews alike; just like it was in the early church where they came together and the power of God was visible and it shook cities and it changed lives. Do it again and plan it in our hearts; help us to see it in the Spirit realm it happening and believe it and act upon our faith in the Name of Yeshua we pray! Amen.

Sid: I’ll tell you something Steve you’re making me home sick and of course as a Jew my home is; I’m proud of being an American but my home is Israel.

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to literally become a fool for the Messiah. Now what do I mean by that? I mean that there will be people that will say “Oh, you’re a fool you tell people about Jesus; you pray for the sick if you see anyone sick; you’re not like most people you’re a fool.” Well, let me tell you something you got a choice of being God’s fool or the devil’s fool. I choose God; who do you choose? I have on the telephone someone who’s probably more fanatic than I am for the Messiah; her name is Francis Hunter. I’m speaking to her at her office in Houston, Texas. And most believer’s know Charles and Francis Hunter as the ones that are willing to do anything God says. Francis you just celebrated your 88^th Birthday and your still going strong.

Francis: Yes.

Sid: I want to take you back many, many years right now for the audience that doesn’t know you. You were…would you call yourself just a church goer before you knew the Messiah or you weren’t even that?

Francis: I was a wild sinner.

Sid: That’s what I said “You can be a fanatic as a sinner or you can be fanatic for God there is no in between. So you were all the way as a fanatic sinner. What made the difference briefly?

Francis: Well, I’ll tell you one day well I had to have eye surgery. I had to have the lens of one eye removed because of an automobile accident. And when I was in the hospital as a wild sinner and I had gotten drunk before I got there because I didn’t know any other way to fill that God shape vacuum. And God wrote my name in blood in the pages of my Bible. I saw the finger of God be descend from heaven and it was dipped in the blood of Jesus. In my Bible He wrote “Francis Gardner”. That was my name then; now on the other page He wrote “I love you.” And if you’ve ever seen your name written in the blood of Jesus where God said “I love you.” You can never be the same again and that was the thing that started me on my search for God. And when I accepted Jesus I often say “He opened my mouth and I haven’t shut it from that day to this.” And I don’t intend to. (Laughing)

Sid: Now if Francis was fanatic before she was baptized in the Holy Spirit imagine what happened when she got married to Charles and both of them together were baptized in the Holy Spirit. What difference did it make in your life Francis?

Francis: Well, it just changed your life forever because God rewrote the Bible once I got the Baptism with the Holy Spirit. I saw things in there that I never saw before and I understood things in there that I never understood before and it gave us a power that we never had before the power to heal the sick. Which I think is one of the greatest blessings that God gives to every believer who accepts the baptism of the Holy Spirit. You have the power to lay hands upon the sick; the same power that Jesus had and see them recover.

Sid: Out of curiosity before you were baptized in the Holy Spirit did you pray for the sick?

Francis: Yes, but they didn’t get healed.  

Sid: And well, but I have to say this to you there are many Charismatic Christians that are baptized in the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues at least once when they got baptized in the Holy Spirit which is wrong by the way. You want to do what Paul says “I pray in tongues more than any man.

Francis: Yeah.

Sid: However, let’s be candid Francis most Charismatic, most Pentecostal churches you don’t see that many miracles there; so what’s the problem?

Francis: It’s because they don’t use the power of God that they had. They don’t know how and that’s why we wrote the book “How to Heal the Sick.” So that everybody would know that they can heal the sick. As a matter of fact we’re having healing schools all over the United States now with our DVD and video tapes. And just Monday night and Healing Class at Lakewood Church we had over 100 healings by the people that we had already taught 2 lessons to so far.

Sid: Now are you seeing more people healed today than say a year ago or 20 years ago?

Francis: Definitely, definitely, definitely.

Sid: So we’re getting closer to that prophecy that I read about on yesterday’s broadcast by Tommy Hicks.

Francis: Yes.  

Sid: Now let’s go to your book a little bit. Chapter 3 very intriguing chapter. You quote Mark Chapter 16 verse 17 and 18 in which Messiah said “Those who believe shall lay hands on the sick and they shall pray for a half hour, they shall work up tremendous emotions; they shall roll on the floor, they shall kick and they shall holler and they shall scream and they shall shake. No, that’s not what it says; what does it really say?

Francis: It very simply says “Those who believe shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover. They shall recover. But you see one of the things that I feel is so important you have to believer first of all that God want’s you well. Number 2 you’ve got to believe when you stretch forth your hand to lay it on the sick that’s the hand of Jesus being extended on the people today. Because if Jesus lives inside of You and he better live inside of you then those are the only hands that Jesus has on the earth today are yours and mine.

Sid: You know what I think Francis; we drum up all of this religious tradition whether it’s non-charismatic or whether it’s the charismatic and we think that we need all of these things. But it’s really if there is one trait that that I think of when I think of Charles and Francis Hunter; you know what I think of? Childlike.

Francis: Yes.

Sid: Not complex.

Francis:   No.

Sid: Not something that only the very elect; the very top echelon can walk into; you bring it down to our level.

Francis: Amen.

Sid: And you know something when the Messiah spoke He spoke to people that were fisherman; people that they didn’t have great…I mean Paul the Apostle he had some pretty good training but he was the exception.

Francis: Amen, well and you see neither Charles or I ever went to Bible School or Bible College or anything like that. We just read the Bible over and over again discovering how Jesus did it. And then we thought we’ll try the same things that Jesus did and we discovered that it works. And so then we discovered if it works for us it works for other people as well.

Sid: Well, how does someone handle this; they’ve been a believer for many years; they’ve seen the Spirit of God move; they’ve felt the presence; they’ve slain in the Spirit; they’ve prayed for lots of people but very few are healed. Now there’s such negativity in a person like this will this book have enough of an anointing to bust through that?

Francis: I think that it will totally break through that wall that people have that think that they can’t do it. That’s why I set up these healing schools that we’re having it’s absolutely incredible. People sitting there…well week before last we had a lady healed of multiple sclerosis. And she came back the next week and she said that “She had not walked in 13 years without 2 canes” and she said “I can run all over the place.” So our daughter said to her “Who laid hands on you? She said “Who prayed for you?” She said “I have no idea. You see it was just a believer; it wasn’t Charles and Francis; it wasn’t our daughter Joan it was just a believer that laid hands on her after she had read the book “How to Heal the Sick” and attended a healing seminar. But you see if you’ve got the baptism of the Holy Ghost you’ve got the power that I’ve got and Sid Roth has got. The only thing is you have to use that power; you have to be willing to believe that that Holy Ghost power is resident within you. Well just like they brought a lady into my office last week who had this massive goiter on the front of her neck.

Sid: Hmm, hm.

Francis:   And she didn’t speak a word of English and my Spanish is very poor so we couldn’t communicate very well except I could see what her problem was. And all I did was just laid hands on that huge goiter and I said “In Jesus Name, and there was no goiter left.” That woman absolutely had a Pentecostal Sid in Spanish (Laughing) right there in my office.

Sid: You know you hear stories about this in foreign countries.

Francis: But it happens here; as a matter of fact some people from Korea brought their little girl in this morning who was cross eyed and Charles just laid hands on her and the child eyes are perfectly straight.

Sid: Tell me because you know I read this in the book but I’ve got to hear this from your own mouth. Tell me about the 38 people that were healed of deafness in Colorado.

Francis: (Laughing) That was one of the most unusual nights that I have ever seen in my entire life. Because every once and awhile God gives you something that is really unusual. Let me tell you also before I tell you this can I tell you something that just fascinates me.

Sid: As long as we have time; go for it.

Francis: God does; you can’t put God in a box you’ve got to let God do it his way. We were down in…

Sid: I have to interrupt you; that’s why the book is so important. She shows you all of the different ways that God operates and one of those the Holy Spirit’s going to jump out at you but when you understand this your understanding the ways of God. But go ahead.

Francis: Okay, but here we are in Panama and we just ministered healing and then we had the healing teams go out and now these are just ordinary people just you know like the book said washer woman, window washers you know and all of that kinds of stuff. And all of these people just went through this tremendous crowd and then the people came up on the stage to tell what they were healed of. And so the first one said “I was blind in one eye; I was totally healed because I see perfectly now. Well I thought that was wonderful. But then the second person came up and I said “What was your problem?” They said I was blind in one eye but now I see. Well, I thought well that was absolutely wonderful. The third person came up and said the exactly the same thing. I did not realize that there were so many people that were blind in one eye. But you know what we had over 500 people that night; healed of blindness in one eye. We had one man that was blind in two eyes; and he was totally healed. But it was fascinating.

Sid: Say it again though, say that it’s not just you it’s anyone that has God within them that has Jesus within them.

Francis: You see we weren’t laying hands on them it was the people in Panama who had been trained to do just the same thing that we do. They did the same thing that’s in the book “How to Heal the Sick.” And all of those deaf eyes were open.

Sid: Okay, consider yourself on notice; God wants to use you. Are you going to say “Yes” or are you going to say “No.”

 

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah. But you know something there has been within traditional Judaism so much tradition that that has worked in that it’s hard to see God. It’s hard to have an experience with God; it’s hard to even see the Messiah within traditional Judaism. But that same leaven has creeped into traditional Christianity. The thing that’s started by Jews by the one who went… He died it said on the cross “The King of the Jews.” The thing that you had to actually convert to Judaism to even be a follower of Messiah has become opposite of Judaism today. Why did this happen? But even more important than that, why is God restoring what I believe is the same vitality and vibrancy and miraculous where each person was a worker. The first believer’s in the Messiah did not have a written New Testament. The first believer’s in the Messiah did not have what we call churches. The first believer’s in the Messiah did not have Bible Schools. The first believer’s in the Messiah did not have great articulate speakers. The first believer’s in the Messiah had an encounter with Jesus; the least believer would lay hands on the sick and the sick would recover. They each had a job to do and it was vibrant; it was as a matter of fact I almost hate to call it Christianity because when we use the word Christianity we think in the stereotype of what it’s evolved to today. I really believe that Christianity is a misnomer. It should be New Covenant Judaism where the Messiah broke down the middle wall of separation between two people groups. The only two that existed Jew and Gentile and made them something brand new One New Man. But there is reasons why these things happened and there’s reasons why you as a Gentile Christian for the first time perhaps in your life are beginning to say “I want to know my roots; I want to know what that first Church was like; I want to get as close to the Messiah as I can; I want to fulfill my destiny. And God is drawing Gentile Christian’s by His Spirit to have a restoration of what that first church was like. Part of that restoration is to understand that what the culture was like at the time. Now on yesterday’s broadcast and I have and I’m speaking to him from his home in Tiberias, Israel. I have today my friend Dr. Bob Fischer. We’re talking about his new DVD that he just came out with that he called “The Jewish Origins of Christianity.” It’s actually a college level course which you can find out how you can get credits for it if you want it. But most people aren’t going to want to do it for a college level credits they’re going to want to do it because they want to understand Jesus; they want to understand what was going on in the New Covenant. They want the New Covenant to have that further dimension of understanding the culture because it changes a lot of the thinking in the New Covenant when you understand the Jewish culture which Jesus took for granted everyone understood it when He was writing His various letters. But today it’s been so denuded from the Church. And one of the most fascinating things Bob as I’ve taken your course is the 3 major people groups within Jews at the time Jesus came. Two we know the Pharisees and Sadducees. And as a matter of review tell me a little bit about those 2 groups that most Christians have heard of.

Bob:   Yes Sid, well the Sadducee were the people from the aristocratic class of Jewish society at the time. They were they rejected all scripture apart from the Torah and they maintained this elaborate sacrificial system in the temple. They made up most of the Sanhedrin and they were basically apart from the people and they had a theology that was very narrow in its origin. They didn’t believe in bodily resurrection or even an afterlife. And so when the temple went away so closely tied to temple when the temple was destroyed in ’70 they just basically vanished and they didn’t leave a legacy.

Sid: Well what did the Pharisees believe in?

Bob: Pharisees had a different view; they did believe in bodily resurrection and they did believe ultimately that there would be a Messiah. But a totally different Messiah than we understand having learned from the Essenes. They believed the Pharisees believed in a Messiah that would come at the end of days to right all of the world’s problems. He would be a king and a prophet and a great military leader. But they emphasized that he would by no means be Divine, he would not be in anyway a god. They were offended by the very notion of that. So they were quite different. So they evolved; the important thing to understand is that the Pharisees became what today is Rabbinical Judaism. But this third group the Essenes it’s important for us to point to them because they were the precursors of all subsequent Christianity.

Sid: And yet we don’t hear much about them. Where did you get most of your understanding for the Essenes for the course you did?

Bob: Well I did a lot of research Sid. I found a great deal of information in early Roman Catholic writings interestingly enough where the church fathers were speaking out against the Nazarene Jewish Believers by reference to the Essenes they’re selves.

Sid: So when we read about Nazarenes that was the Essenes that believed in Jesus?

Bob: The Nazarenes were to start out with were around before Jesus showed up. They were the principal subgroup of the Essenes. And when Yeshua came along and appeared they were the ones who embraced Him in droves. And in one day you know as we appointed out there were 3000 that came into the faith. And they became known as the Nazarenes; they’re referred to in the Book of Acts as the Nazarenes. They’re also referred to as the Way. So you don’t have any references directly to the Essenes probably because Yeshua was fighting against the teachings of the Sadducees and the Pharisees but He was very much in consonance with the teaching of the Essenes, who He and Paul and others referred to as the Way and the Nazarenes.

Sid: Okay, what was their lifestyle like as Believers?

Bob: Well there were 2 groups if we’re talking about the Essenes we’re talking about the group at Qumran which was considerably smaller they were celibate Monks. But the main body of the Essenes were a variety of communities that were not celibate. But they functioned in the same belief system of Qumran and they were all over the Galilee and they were all over Judea and Samaria and all over Syria, what today is modern day Syria.   There was something like you know by the estimate that I tend to adhere to that there was something like 400,000 of these people at one point in time. But I’ve heard estimates that there was as many as a million who had ultimate by the end of the first century converted to the understanding that Yeshua was the Messiah.

Sid: Now how did something that started so Jewish shift gears and become what is known today as the opposite of Judaism? How was what is called Judaism how was it hijacked by the Pharisees rather than the Essenes who were the forefathers of Christianity? I mean how did all of this happen?

Bob: Well the Essenes basically disappeared; I mean they didn’t disappear they became the Nazarenes that ultimately became the beginnings of Messianic Judaism if you will. But the important thing here is that Paul and others you know Peter went out particularly Paul went out. And in 4 monumentally successful journeys to the Gentile world the Gentile Christian Church was created. And the Gentile Christian Church is a wonderful institution but at the time of its origination it combined many of the paganistic understandings of the local culture. So what we ended up with were a variety of blends of pure Torah understanding and pure understanding of who Yeshua was blended with a variety of these paganistic understandings.

Sid: Now why did… I know we can only speculate, but within Judaism it’s so important to separate the clean from the unclean as you read the Old Covenant.   How come they merged the two within early Christianity?

Bob: Well there was a big argument between Paul and the group on Mt. Zion over this very issue. You know the argument was “What did Gentiles have to do to become part of this movement?” And they finally came to grips with it and the council of Jerusalem met in ’49 and while Peter and others held on and said “Look, these people have to be circumcised; they have to be fully Torah compliant.” Paul spoke very strongly against this notion he said “Let’s keep it limited.” So in the results in the Council of Jerusalem there was simply 4 things that came out. Four very fundamental things: 1) They weren’t supposed to drink or they weren’t supposed to eat blood. 2) They were to refrain from sexual immorality and so forth. You know there were 4 fundamental things that really were simplistic for them. So the point I’m getting to is that they didn’t have to keep Biblical Kosher that didn’t apply to them. They didn’t have to be circumcised; they didn’t have to keep Torah it wasn’t required. They had to do 4 rather simple things.

Sid: But how did they make the shift… not only did they add paganism but they denuded the Church of any of its Jewish roots. Why did they do that?

Bob: Probably because the architect of this thing was a man named “Constantine the Ist.” Who in 313 AD declared that Christianity would be the state religion. And …

Sid: I’m sorry Bob we’re out of time we’ll pick up here on tomorrow’s broadcast.

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to walk in the anointing that God has destined just for you. That’s why I have Judy Jacobs and we’re releasing her new book “You Are Anointed for This” because Judy has paid the price and she walks in an anointing similar to what you read about in the book of Acts as you’ve heard this week. But you have a unique anointing and she is determined for you to understand how the anointing operates and understand what your unique anointing is for the end times and how to develop that anointing. She teaches and then she has a special prayer for you at the end of each chapter and it’s a how to step by step to walk into your destiny. Now Judy, there are people that listen to your music over and over and over and over again. Tell me about the woman the woman that was working the night shift.

Judy: Well, let me just say this, the devil is constantly lying to us Sid telling us that we’re all alone that this thing is not real. He tells you that God’s word is not true but one thing we need to understand is that when the devil speaks he speaks his native language which is a lie. Jesus said “I will never leave you or forsake you. I will go with you always even to the end of the world.” And so it comes down to you know that this young girl was working at a restaurant, a little small restaurant, and she was doing the night shift, but she loves my CD “There’s No God Like Jehovah.” And so every time that she was assigned the night shift she would always take my CD “There’s No God Like Jehovah” and that was her favorite song out of all the songs on the CD that was her favorite. So she’d put it on in the back and she put it on repeat so the whole time that she’s working the night shift like you know 3 or 4 hours 5 hours she’s got this song playing continuously. It got to be pretty late when it was closing time and a man walks into the little ice cream restaurant and he says to her “Are you here by yourself?” And she very shyly says “Well, no” sensing something is up she says “No someone’s in the back.” And he said “No, there’s not I’ve been watching this store for the last two hours nobody has come in and nobody has gone out. I know that you’re here by yourself.” And he says to her Sid “I’m going to do to you what I want to do to you.” He takes her by the arm and he drags her to the back; now you got to know that that you’re not alone, you got to know that God is going to do something, send something; something’s going to happen in the spirit realm. So this is a Holy Spirit filled young lady so the guy throws her down on the floor and he’s about to do something to her all of a sudden she said it sounded like the music came up stronger and it was right at that very point where I say in the song “There’s no God like Jehovah; there’s no God like Jehovah.” And all of a sudden the man rises up and say “What is that I hear?” And she said “That is the Holy Spirit filled song because I am a Holy Ghost filled young woman.” He said “Oh, I’ve got to get out of here I don’t mess with Holy Ghost” he said I’ve got to get out of here” and so he gets up and runs out.” And you’ve got to know that the anointing of God came into that room; that music went up to another degree and something happened that was just not corresponding with him and his rage and the Holy Ghost got a hold of him and he had to get out. And I’m telling you you are never alone with the Holy Spirit beside you and the anointing of God in you he said “I will never leave you; I will never forsake you.” I love the Amplified “I will never, never, never, never will I leave you” He says. And we have to be assured that when the devil tells us that he is lying. We have to fill our house with music that’s going to…

Sid: Speaking of filling our house with music Judy, I have prophetic friends that say so many young people are getting into the type of music there getting into pornography, new age, witchcraft. I mean in droves and believers are going to have to pray for deliverance. And as a matter of fact I believe that there is such an anointing on your song “My Deliver” that some people listening right now will get free.

Judy: “My Deliver” excerpt.  

Sid: We are so close to the return of the Messiah. How do I know this? He told me in a dream. Three times He said “I’m coming back soon, I’m coming back soon, I’m coming back soon.”

 

SID: Now James, on one of your trips to Heaven, Jesus gave you a couple of stones. Tell me about that.

JAMES: Well Sid, he asked me if I wanted these stones. They came one at a time. The first one that came was about the size of an egg and it was a ruby, and it landed in my left hand, and I could feel it just as real I could feel anything I touched. I was excited. I thought that when I came back to Heaven I’d still have that in my hand.

SID: I understand.

JAMES: I thought I was going to be able to show this egg-sized ruby to everyone. But it started to melt in my hand, and when it started melting in my hand there was extreme fire that came into my hand. It was very painful. And then the stone that came into the other hand was also melted into my hand, and it was also on fire and very painful. It was a stone for releasing gifts of healing and ministering impartation to people. And my hands were on fire seven days a week, 24 hours a day for more than two years. And the only relief I could get was to go put my hands under cold water and get relief for a few moments. As soon as I took my hands out, they would be on fire again. And I immediately noticed that my wife started feeling the same thing. So I know that what God placed in my hands is transferable, and that it can be passed to other people. And I believe that some people here tonight are going to begin to feel the fire of God in their hands, going to begin to feel the power of God moving in them, and it’s going to bring a healing anointing, and an anointing to release the love of God to people.

SID: Tell me about two or three people that actually were healed as they heard you speak.

JAMES: One of the most dramatic was speaking in a church in Chicago and the, a woman who had had her neck broken in three places went into a trance. Her neck had been fused and she was in great pain, and couldn’t move her head. And in that trance the Glory came and God restored the vertebrae in her neck. And not too long after that, I was sharing that in another conference, and while I was speaking the Glory fell. The presence of God came and another woman, no one praying for her, no one else really knowing she had gone through almost the same thing. The doctors said, “The rest of your life will be controlling the pain.” Her neck was totally restored in the presence of God, the Glory of God. And I believe that Glory and that presence is here with us tonight and it’s going to be with everyone who is watching this program, God is going to release that anointing to them.

SID: James, I have to describe what I witnessed before the show started. I was talking to James and my eyes went down to his hands, and his hands, it looked like there were scars. It was so red and it look liked there were scars almost all over. Do you understand what I’m saying? It was so obvious that I said to him, “What’s going on?” And we all, it wasn’t just me. Several looked at your hand and before our eyes, the redness and what looked to be like burns almost, disappeared while we were watching that. I’d be remiss before God if I didn’t tell you, pray whatever God wants you to pray right now.

JAMES: Right now, I’d just like to say, Sid, that over and over I’ve experienced angels coming into our presence and they’re holding the angels that have come into the presence. They started coming in this afternoon. They’re still moving in. And those angels are touching people right there, right now, and I believe they’re also, they’re coming into the homes of all the listeners. And these angels are drawing people on to the Father, bringing them closer to the Father. I believe that tonight there’s a lifting up to the Father. And when those angels began to manifest, healing angels also came. And I believe that we have healing angels throughout the room tonight. And the Lord is saying right now, we just pray over you and we release to you right now, the love of the Father, we release that anointing to you that you would feel a supernatural flow of the Father’s love. And that when those angels of holiness come and touch you we release them right now to touch you and lift you up, and draw you to the Father in Heaven. And as those healing angels begin to manifest, we release those angels to minister healing. And I’m hearing that many people are being healed right of severe headaches, of chronic headaches. And right now, you’ve just been healed by the power of God being brought by these healing angels. The Lord said that upper respiratory infections are being healed right now. Right now if you have an upper respiratory infection, just let that healing angel touch you, release the power of God while the Glory is manifesting and powerfully present here and in your home as you watch this. There is a healing in the abdominal region, people receiving it right now for all kind of different issues in the bowels. Chronic problems are being healed right now by those healing angels. They’re coming to you. So right now in the name of Yeshua HaMashiach, we release that anointing for healing and for holiness, and we ask those angels, give to people what God sent you to give. We receive it and we believe it in the mighty name of Yeshua HaMashiach. Amen and Amen. Amen.

SID: You see, when James goes to Heaven, he’s instructed by God to teach certain things. One trip, he was taught about the Kabod, the Glory, the heaviness of God, the presence of God and how wonderful that is. And the Lord taught him there were seven levels, the Kabod of Glory. Tell me the top level that He explained to you.

JAMES: The top level, Sid, is the unity glory. And I believe we see that in that same chapter of Ephesians. Ephesians 2:6, that we’re seated with him in heavenly places. But you read on a little further and we’re told in verses 13 through 18 that the dividing wall has been brought down, separating the Jewish believers from the Gentile believers, and one new preacher, one new man is coming forth, one new human being is emerging from that. And in verse 18 it says, that in this newness along with unity with Jesus, the Holy Spirit is giving us access to Heaven, and we literally are becoming members of the family of God. We’re part of the household. You have a chair in Heaven and it’s time to go sit in that chair and visit the Father, and visit Jesus in Heaven. Amen.

SID: Tell me as quickly as you can, what is going to happen in this unity of Jew and Gentile? When Jesus said, “You’ll do the same works that I have done and even greater,” is that what he’s talking about?

JAMES: Sid, I believe that’s exactly what he’s talking about. And what the Lord showed me is that as Jesus, when he ministered on Earth, was able to see what the Father was doing and hear what the Father was saying, literally Jesus was experiencing Heaven and Earth at the same time, and that you and I can have that same experience. You and I can experience Heaven and Earth simultaneously.

SID: But step one to experience Heaven and Earth is to make Jesus your Messiah and Lord. You don’t need my words. Get right with God now.

JAMES: Amen.

Sid: Well my guest is red hot for the Messiah I’m speaking to Barry Segal and all this week we’ve been speaking to his wife Batya. The two of them are Recording Artists from Jerusalem. I’m actually speaking to them at his home in Jerusalem right now and his latest CD which he puts it has a Levitical anointing it’s called “God Through the Gates.” Now what I’d like to know Barry how you and Batya got together. I know that she had this long extended court case, a custody for her daughter because she became a believer in Messiah. And her former husband was using it against her and you were praying with her a lot. You had music in common but how did you eventually determine that the two of you were to get married?

Barry: Well it’s a real invitation of the Holy Spirit I think when two people are joined together in matrimony and covenant. And I think we were the classic picture of east meets west in the Middle East. And really when I came to Israel I came with an opportunity to live with very well-known Bible teacher who since went to go home with the Lord Dr. Derrick Prince and his wife Ruth. And as a single guy coming over from the US and they saw my love and passion for Israel; they asked me to come on over and to assist them the first year and finish out their home as they were settling in Jerusalem. And here it was Jew and Gentile kind of settling together in Jerusalem and in that first year in that incubation period as I had entered Jerusalem and Israel to make it my home; I used to actually go down to the bus stops along the center of the neighborhood called the German Colony of Jerusalem and at times I would run into Batya at the bus stop because she was born and grew up on the other side of that road by her parent’s house. And so just over the divide was where Batya and somehow we would run into each other. But the actual place that we first met I remember was at a Bible study in a home in Jerusalem for Messianic Jewish Song Writers and Singers and there were about a dozen people there. When I walked in that first night, which was somewhere around the winter of 1982, they were all praying in a circle I had come in a bit late and when she opened her eyes I was standing right in front of her. That was actually the first time she saw me; I was the second angel she would say.

Sid: (Laughing) Tell me about that what happens when an American Jew immigrants to Israel and falls in love and marries a Yemenite Jew and they have a Yemenite wedding, what is that like?

Barry: Well it was really unusual it was like a movie being filmed because after Batya’s court trial was finished in the Supreme Court for custody of her daughter Meital. And after several years of having prayed together to get with Derrick and Ruth Prince in their home on behalf of Batya’s court trial and for her daughter and other things going on in our lives. It was almost as if the Lord had yoked us together. He was calling us to be yoked together to carry on a great burden and work which would start in Jerusalem and do to Judea, Sumeria and the ends of the earth. So several years later of course we would be engaged right after the court trial was finished and then married in 1987. I’ll never forget the time that my parents from America came over to meet Batya’s parents it was so funny because we were the only 2 in the middle that could translate between the Hebrew and the English between my parents and her parents. Of course that was kind of classic it was like the ancient meeting the modern.

Sid: Hm.

Barry: And finally we both being Levites by birth both Batya and I. Batya from a Yemenite Jewish Levites and myself from an Ashkenazi European Levitical background the rabbi’s wanted to be sure that we were Levites so our parents had to prove this in some rabbinical court. And upon that we were approved to be married and we had an Orthodox Jewish ceremony in Jerusalem with a few hundred guests. And it was quite exciting actually at the time because when we came we did not know that Batya’s older brother had arranged for a Yemenite dance troupe to come in dressed like probably they were dressed 100’s of years ago with flower baskets on their heads and all sorts of ornaments. They came and they put us in chairs and they picked us up in the chairs and they danced us all the way to the chupa. I just kind of waved goodbye to my parents and they just had tears in their eyes; it was just so classical it was so joyous. In its own way it had a Levitical anointing that feel into that place and people just don’t forget the wedding that came to it even to this day, it was spectacular event.

Sid: Barry you mentioned that you were really discipled by a great great Bible teacher Dr. Derrick Prince. He went on recently to be promoted to heaven. If he was around today and he was giving advice to our listeners about what’s going on prophetically in the world what do you think he would be telling them?

Barry: Well there’s no doubt even to the very end of Derrick’s life he believed that the Lord’s return is much more imminent than we all can fathom or understand in the natural mind. That in fact the prophetic word of God; what was spoken in centuries of old by the prophets of old is so real; so in affect today and so centers around the re-gathering of Israel physically and as well as re-gathering of Israel spiritually. And that we see also a parallel restoration within the Jewish people and nation and also the church. So that what we are experiencing and the tremendous upheaval which includes the words that Jesus spoke about towards the end time. That there would be violence in the days we live in is so picturesque of the time that we really should have a heart for the lost and we really should be earnestly looking to His coming. And working for the night is coming when no man can work. I think these would be some areas that Derrick would have reflected on and summed up; I think he saw the evil of the world and the curtains being pulled in this age coming to a close. And I think he saw his own passing on just a thin veil away from all eternity.

Sid: I’m speaking to Barry and his wife Batya Segal and we’re featuring this week his latest CD called “Go Through the Gates.” And as Batya explains the gates are Yeshua and it’s a call for Jewish people to find the true peace. “Go Through the Gates” it’s got a Levitical, I mean it’s Levitical as you can get, they both have a Levitical heritage. And what do you want to accomplish with this CD Barry?

Barry: Well I think that that’s a very very good question. I think you know my heart always in worship and in music is that there will be a restoration of fellowship with God through what we do. I think scripture that sums up so much to me about music and worship is in 2^nd Chronicles 5 where it says in verse 11 “And it came to pass that when the priests came out of the most holy place having had sanctified themselves without keeping to their divisions. And the Levites were the singers” and on and on it goes about those with cymbals and stringed instruments. But summing it up it says “In deed it came to pass when the trumpeters and singers were as one to make one sound to be heard in thanking and praising the Lord and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of music and praise the Lord in saying ‘For He is good for His mercy endures forever’ that the house of the Lord was filled with the cloud so that the priests could not continue ministering because of the cloud for the glory of the Lord filled the house of God.” It’s for His glory.