SID:  Sid Roth here with “Something More”, and my guest, Cherie Calbom.  And uh, Cherie, last time you were on the show, you caused a sensation!

 

CHERIE:  Isn’t it amazing!

 

SID:  [LAUGHING]

 

SID:  Uh, do you remember the commercial we did –

 

CHERIE:  It’s so amazing, isn’t it?

 

SID:  with “Juice Lady in the”, “in the Box”?

 

VIDEO:  SID:  What a way to start this day!

 

SID:  And of course, she’s affectionately known as “The Juice Lady”. And for those that aren’t that familiar with her, um, I uh, sh- – uh, you had fibromyalgia, you had uh – uh, several uh – uh chronic fatigue syndrome; uh, there was no hope for you.  Uh, the doctors pretty much gave up, uh, but you did something that you directed to by God, that changed your life, in a short period of time.  Uh, tell me, your worst shape you were in, and what happened.

 

CHERIE:  I was in terrible shape; I had to quit work.  I uh felt like I had the flu all the time; swollen glands, headache. Body ached all over.  Could barely walk around the house; I couldn’t go for a walk outside.  And no hope from the doctors.  I prayed and prayed and prayed, and said, “Lord PLEASE show me what to do!  There’s got to be a way out of this”, and He directed me to juicing vegetables, and changing my diet.  When I started reading about a healthy diet, I realized I was way off-track.  I loved junk food and fast food, and I didn’t like vegetables.

 

SID:  [LAUGHS]

 

CHERIE:  So I did an about-face.

 

SID:  You sound like the typical American.  [LAUGHS]

 

CHERIE:  I do, don’t I!  [LAUGHS]  Just running to – through the fast-lane of life, and fast food; that was me.  So, I bought my first juicer.

 

VIDEO:  WOMAN:  [JUICING]

 

CHERIE:  Went on a 5-day juice fast.  On day #5, my body expelled a tumor the size of a golf ball, and that got my attention.  And I thought, “Maybe I’ll just turn the corner…

 

[VIDEO ENDS]

 

CHERIE:  and tomorrow I’ll be totally well;

 

SID:  Uh, b-but wait a second.

 

CHERIE:  I wasn’t.

 

SID:  I-I – I just don’t understand how things can happen in uh, you know, by just juicing so fast!  I would think it would take uh, several YEARS for something like that to happen.

 

CHERIE:  [CHUCKLES] It – you know, it is so amazing.  Uh, having now worked as a nutritionist with people for many years, I have seen AMAZING things happen in a short time.  For some people it does take a while for things to turn around.  It depends on how sick people, how old they are, how toxic [CHUCKLES] they are, and so forth.  But I was young, and for me, my body responded very very quickly.

 

SID:  Um hm.

 

CHERIE:  And this was the path that God showed me that I could take for healing.  Because now what I know as a nutritionist, and with all my science background, if you give people the right materials to heal, they body will heal!  It will DO what God designed it to do.

 

SID:  But h-how long did it take you to get better?

 

CHERIE:  Well after that juice fast, it took me about 3 months.  And I kept juicing, I ate whole foods – organic foods – mostly vegetables.  I went vegan for the summer; I’m not vegan now.  But I just uh, did that program, and in 3 months, I woke up one morning and thought, “Wow!  Somebody gave me a new body in the middle of the night!”  I mean I felt like jogging,…

 

SID:  Uh –

 

CHERIE:  and I did!

 

SID:  Oh okay.

 

CHERIE:  And I hadn’t even been able to walk the rest of the block!

 

SID:  Y-y-you begged – y-you’re begging a question:  Uh, why do I have to fool around with juicing?  Why don’t I just have 5 fruits and 5 vegetables?  Uh, l-like someone said once, a-and, that’s done!  Why – why don’t you just do that?

 

CHERIE:  Yes.

 

SID:  Why?  Is the juicing better, or is that equivalent?

 

CHERIE:  Juicing is superior in many ways, because there – there are several things.  It’s broken down so well,

 

CHERIE:  your body can absorb it very very quickly.  It goes RIGHT into your system, because it doesn’t have the fiber to stop or, you know, slow it down with digestion.

 

SID:  Um hm.

 

CHERIE:  Fiber is good; don’t get me wrong.  And we want to eat a high fiber diet, but juicing…

 

CHERIE:  is just fabulous for getting right into your system.  When people are ill, digestion often is off.  They don’t digest food well; they don’t even digest their fruits and vegetables well.  And so this gets it RIGHT into your system.  It’s like a pre-digested food, and you’ve got all those antioxidants, bio photons, vitamins, minerals, enzymes, going RIGHT into your body, RIGHT into your cells, bringing that healing LIFE!  And this is live food.  And we are told in the Scripture, “choose life”!  “I have set [you] before you [today] life and death … choose life”; and this is choosing life.  And then two, number two, we don’t eat enough fruits and vegetables.  Science has proven that – all over the world – where we should have 7 to 9, maybe 13 servings; it depends on the research and the surveys you see, and which universities, but we don’t do it.  This is the way to get a maximum amount easily.

 

SID:  Uh –

 

CHERIE:  So I take a big bowl and juice it up, and I think –

 

SID:  [CHUCKLES]

 

CHERIE:  I could never chew up [CHUCKLES] all that in the morning…

 

SID:  Uh, I probably could chew it all…

 

CHERIE:  you know!

 

SID:  but my refrigerator would be filled with that stuff.  Anyway uh…

 

CHERIE:  [LAUGHS]

 

SID:  uh you talk about “marrying the natural and the supernatural”.  What do you mean by that?

 

CHERIE:  Partnership with God!  That’s how I see it.  We do our part; He has DONE His part.  He continues to do His part all the time.  The Lord has been showing me more and more how we do that,…

 

CHERIE:  in that we stand on His Word.  And recently, I’ve just been seeing that more and more; how we apply it – His Word – to our hearts, like a poultice on your chest.  You know the old-fashioned poultices.

 

SID:  Right.

 

CHERIE:  My grandmother used [CHUCKLES] one all the time when anybody got sick.  And I SAW IT the other day in the spirit; apply that Scripture to your heart, just like a poultice!  Lay it on there:  “By His stripes [you] are healed.”  “He sent His word, and healed them.”  Just go over all the Scriptures you can find.  Get on the Internet; pull ’em off, print ’em out.  Apply them to your heart; strengthen your spirit.  But then…

 

SID:  Okay.  But if we …

 

CHERIE:   don’t stop there.

 

SID:  w-wait a second Cherie.  If we …

 

CHERIE:  [CHUCKLES]

 

SID:  if we have, uh the – the powerful Word, which you agree and I agree, uh, why even fool around with nutrition?

 

CHERIE:  Oh, you know, in here …

 

SID:  [CHUCKLES]

 

CHERIE:  I’m so glad you asked that because people say that.  “Can I just go and get a miracle?”

 

SID:  Yeah!

 

CHERIE:  You know what?  If – if our diet has created our dis-ease in any way in our bodies, God can heal us.  He can do an “override”, I call it – heal us miraculously – but we’re going to continue on …

 

CHERIE:  eating our bad diet – our fast food, our junk food, our things in packages and boxes – devoid of nutrients.  We’re going to get sick again!  But so often, we need to partner …

 

CHERIE:  with the Holy Spirit.  We need to partner with the Father, with Jesus.  We need to do our part, and to eat the real, live, whole foods that He gave us, that He put on this Earth for our health and healing.  The Scripture says He gave us every herb, He gave us these plants; they are for our healing.  And He did not give us bon-bons; He did not give us chips and dips; He did not …

 

SID:  [LAUGHS]

 

CHERIE:  give us fast food and burgers and french fries.

 

SID:  I haven’t read any of that in the Bible.

 

CHERIE:  Those are man-made.

 

SID:    [LAUGHS]

 

CHERIE:  [LAUGHS]

 

SID:  U-uh, Ch…

 

CHERIE:  It’s not there, right!  [CHUCKLES]

 

SID:  Cherie, tell me, uh, you did it the last time you were on the air, but I feel it’s so important.  Tell me about the VISION you had from God about the battlefield.

 

CHERIE:  I saw so clearly, years ago, when I was in a – a prayer meeting for healing, …

 

CHERIE:  that I just LEFT that room in the spirit, and saw God’s soldiers.  He gave me a vision of His people – His army – and so many of them lying on the battlefield, where their armor is skewed; their swords and their shields laying at their side.  And they were in pain, and there were labels written across their bodies, like “cancer”, “diabetes”, “heart disease”, “fibromyalgia”, “M.S.”, “lupus”, “scleroderma”, “rheumatoid arthritis”; on and on and on it went.  And I saw these soldiers not only in their own pain, but the demonic forces really beating them up, punching and kicking them, because they were down, because they couldn’t stand.  And the Lord said, “Cherie, I want you to go back to school,” …

 

CHERIE:  get a graduate degree in nutrition, and I want you to teach My people, because they are perishing ‘for lack of knowledge’.”  And isn’t it true, on every level; Satan has tried to pervert what God has given us, and he’s perverted our food, and – on top of everything else.  And I was seeing that day, what is the quickest way to destroy an army if you could do it?  Poison them!  They would all just drop over!  You wouldn’t even have to do much of a fight if you poison the entire army with their water …

 

SID:  Hmm.

 

CHERIE:  their drinks, their food.  Well that is what the enemy is doing to us with all of this adulterated food, manmade stuff – things in boxes and bags – and – and fast food and junk food, and cans and sodas, and on and on it goes.  We’ve got poison everywhere we turn in our food supply, and God is saying, “Come out from among them,” My people, “and be … separate”.  Choose a holy – “whole” – “holy” means “whole”, body soul and spirit.  Choose a holy way of life.  Choose a holy way of eating.  Be my disciplined people, and choose the REAL food; whole food, that God gave us.

 

SID:  Now – now you mentioned something that uh, is going to uh, upset a few people.  I know in my control room it’s going to upset them.  Uh, what happens from too much diet soda?

 

CHERIE:  Diet soda is a scary thing.  And I have been doing research on that more and more all the time.  Uh, i-it’s – it’s uh waste with a diet sweetener…

 

CHERIE:  and usually it’s aspartame – we know it as NutraSweet.  And uh, the CDC did studies and, just have tracked.  Uh, they don’t really promote this, but they’ve just tracked it, and you can find it if you do you research:  That brain tumors increased HUGELY.  The bar graph went WAY up uh, a couple of years after diet sodas came on the market.  But there’s all sorts of new research showing that when you drink diet sodas, also you – i-it affects your metabolism, and you crave um more sweets and more refined carbs.  So you go for more things like pats- – pasta and pizza…

 

SID:  So – so could you say …

 

CHERIE:  hamburgers.

 

SID:  diet soda – could you say, Cherie, that diet soda makes you fatter, because of that?  [CHUCKLES]

 

CHERIE:  It [CHUCKLES] makes you better?

 

SID:  Fatter.

 

CHERIE:  [LAUGHS] It makes you worse!

 

SID:  F-A-T-T-E-R!  [LAUGHS]

 

CHERIE:  [CHUCKLES] Fatter!  Oh “Fatter”!  Yes, it does!  And [CHUCKLES] yes!  And they’ve proven that, in scientific studies, that it contributes to obesity, to weight gain.  And even if you’re not obese, that it contributes to fat being deposited around the mid-section, which is the worst place to gain weight.  It creates a …

 

SID:  Uh, w-w-what a …

 

CHERIE: it increases your “sweet tooth”.

 

SID:  w-what about regular soda?  Is that bad for us?

 

CHERIE:  That is really bad too.

 

SID:  [LAUGHS]  Oh wait a second!  [LAUGHS]

 

CHERIE:  Uh, they’re [CHUCKLES] both at the top!  [CHUCKLES]

 

SID:  Okay, well – why – why is it – why bad?  Tell me.  [CHUCKLES]

 

CHERIE:  It – it’s got a huge amount of sugar.  Um …

 

SID:  What’s wrong with sugar?

 

CHERIE:  many key foods; up to 11 key foods …

 

SID:  What – wh-wh-what – what’s wrong with sugar?

 

CHERIE:  Sugar is an inflammation and anti – it’s an inflammatory – excuse me – VERY inflammatory substance, …

 

CHERIE:  and that is what my new book, “The Anti-Inflammation Diet” is all about.  Inflammation is at the root of every disease there is.  And sugar is one of the #1 things …

 

CHERIE:  that contributes to inflammation in the body, which contributes to EVERYTHING, like heart disease, and cancer, and diabetes, and M.S., and scleroderma, and lupus, and on and on; R.A. – rheumatoid arthritis, you can name it all.  It – inflammation is at the base, and sugar is one of the top inflammatory substances.  I say to everyone, “Get that sugar out of your diet!”  But soda’s also got chemicals, and dyes, and all of that stuff.  And there’s a new study out showing that junk food, with all of that stuff in it, is the #1 contributor of inflammation.  So at the top of everybody’s list in science right now, sodas are coming in; right up at the top, both diet soda and regular soda, and it is subtly, day-by-day, destroying our health.  Young people think they can get away with it, because you know that when you’re young you think you’ll live forever, right?

 

SID:  [CHUCKLES] Of course!  [CHUCKLES]

 

CHERIE:  And you think you’re always going to be healthy.  And BOOM, one day, it all catches up with you, and your body says, “I’ve had enough of this” [CHUCKLES] you know, and it’s getting really sick.

 

SID:  Now you made a statement, a-and it’s worth me repeating:  You said inflammation is at the root of nearly every disease!  So it …

 

CHERIE:  Um hm.

 

SID:  therefore, um my logical mind says if we could get rid of the foods that cause inflammation, and eat the foods that uh work in a positive way, you get rid of the roots of most diseases, and then people won’t have to pray to be healed!  You know what it reminds me of Cherie?  Uh, there might be uh a 400-pound man that comes up to me for me to lay hands on him, to heal his back; and I KNOW God will heal his back.  But I also know in 30 days, he’ll be BACK to have his heal – back healed!  [CHUCKLES]

 

CHERIE:  Yes!

 

SID:  Be…

 

CHERIE:  That is absolutely right!  And it’s going on all the time!  My father was a healing evangelist; I grew up in this kind of ministry.  And seeing people – even as a little tiny kid – seeing people coming back over and over and over again, and that’s because we’re doing the things that make our body sick; and so they can’t stay well, because we’re pouring into them the things that contribute to inflammation; and  inflammation is causing disease.

 

SID:  Uh Cherie, are many – are many uh – uh people in the world have – do they have inflammation, or is this is a small percentage of people?

 

CHERIE:  It’s huge, and it’s worldwide.  We’ve exported our bad foods all over the world.

 

SID:  Umh.

 

CHERIE:  You can go just about [CHUCKLES] anywhere except maybe some little remote areas, and you’ll find “golden arches”, you’ll [CHUCKLES] find fast food restaurants, you’ll find pop – soda pop – everywhere.  You’ll find it all over, so we’ve exported our bad poisonous foods all over the world,

 

SID:  Yeah I …

 

CHERIE:  and we have sick people all over the world, with inflammation.

 

SID:  Y-you know what I’m thinking?  Just like that vision that you had of the – of the battlefield; we are praying for God to heal us, and then destroying our body right after He heals us, or even before He heals us!

 

CHERIE:  Um hm.

 

SID:  We’re – we’re like uh – uh shooting yourself in the foot!  Uh now, when – we have your 4 books.

 

SID:  One is brand-new:  “Anti-Inflammation Diet -“, and the “28 Days to Restore Your Body and Feel Great”!  Can – now that sounds like a short period of time, uh Cherie;

 

SID:  “28 days to restore your body and feel great”?  You talk about losing weight, increasing energy, look and feel younger in 28 days!  Is this REALLY working with people now?

 

CHERIE:  It is really working for sure, and I’ve proven it over and over again.  As a nutritionist, and with all the people that I’ve helped in counseling and different programs, I’ve seen it over and over again.  And as I’ve talked with various holistic doctors, they have told me that is about the right amount of time for things to really start turning around.  30 days is the amount of time, so we’re almost there with our 28-day program; 4 weeks.  And 30 days is the amount of time it takes for your cells to begin to really turn over, and for your body to really begin to change.  And so I always say to people, “Don’t give up.”  You know, we do something a week or two; we’re such an instant society, we want things immediately.  But I say, “Don’t give up; give it 30 days, and you should see some positive changes in your body”.

 

SID:  Okay.  Y-you tie-in that 28- – or the – as you say, “the marriage” between the supernatural …

 

CHERIE:  [CHUCKLES]

 

SID:  and the natural.  Uh, you tie it in with uh, you made exclusively for our – our uh “Mishpocah”, that’s a Hebrew word that means “family” – uh, “The 28-Day Journey to Wholeness” devotional.  Uh, tell me about that.

 

CHERIE:  Yes.  I’m so excited about the devotional, because it goes with your 28-day food program.

 

SID:  Right.

 

CHERIE:  And what I’ve seen with SO many people I’ve worked with:  Your spirit needs to be strengthened.  So many people feel beaten down, and discouraged, and hopeless, and like nothing is ever going to change for them.  They’re not going to have the energy and the vibrant health that they long for and they’ve prayed for, and so I realized that day-by-day you need the Word of God.  And I have in the devotional not only a teaching each day – a short teaching, and it’s all around the spiritual – the biblical – the Scriptures; but also a declaration, because I feel that each day – with our mouth – we need to speak the word, “I declare today”, and I have something for people to declare every single day, and a prayer to close with.  And I realized that people need their spirit built-up so that they have the will power!

 

SID:  The – a-and you have the res – y-you have the recipes, and it’s not just juicing; it’s regular food and juicing.

 

CHERIE:  Yes!

 

SID:  Uh, but uh, you have 2 more books, and uh, a couple of them REALLY intrigue – well ALL of them intrigue me – but uh …

 

SID:  “Remedies for Stress and Adrenal Fatigue”, “Remedies for Asthma and Allergies”.  Uh, it’s the most amazing thing!  God gave us a body; He did not want us to have lack of energy, …

 

SID:  He didn’t want us to have pain, He didn’t want us to have heart disease, He didn’t want us to have diabetes.  Uh, H-He wanted to l- – us to live life to the fullest!  And uh, I – I find, of reading your notes Cherie, that many people that get ahold of your books uh, they’ve been praying and even fasting, “God, help me!”, and God has directed them.  So we’re making these 4 great books available for an investment of $49.  Speaking of investment, I just got back from Israel, and I spoke before a group of bishops a-at their meeting.  And there was a bishop there …

 

SID:  from Outer Mongolia.  I’d – I’d heard of Outer Mongolia.  Cherie, I didn’t know where it was!

 

CHERIE:  [CHUCKLES]

 

SID:  And according to my map, I see it’s north of Tibet, China, but I didn’t realize it.  This guy was in an auto accident, …

 

SID:  and his back was broke 5 places.  And he …

 

CHERIE:  Mmm!

 

SID:  was in constant pain for 14 years.  Uh, the – the prognosis was he’d end up in a wheelchair; uh, and one minute with God was all that was necessary.  Uh, he turns on our TV show, and this is the thing that’s so exciting to me!  Our TV show is in OUTER MONGOLIA and I don’t even know where it is!  Uh, a-and so he tunes in our television show, and then I have a word of knowledge; he’s sovereignly healed, he’s been h- – free for over a year, pain-free; he’s in full-time ministry!  And I – uh, that’s why I say, by making an investment of $49, any profits uh [CHUCKLES] and – and looks what’s going to happen to you; but any profits are POURED into ministry to people, in EVEN Outer Mongolia!  Uh, when we come back, I want to learn more about this insidious thing, uh, that is called, “inflammation”.  Most people don’t even know what the word means!  I’ll be right back.

MICHAEL BROWN: What we know in Scripture that we can see as things happen in Israel, they’re happening in America or there’s a template when God brings judgment.

 

JONATHAN CAHN: Yes.

MICHAEL BROWN: You were saying that studying Scripture, studying the ancient historical books of Israel you discovered that part of these parallels are striking and could it even lay things out in advance if we’re looking at it, and this is what’s coming next. So we know our history. We know the problems we’ve had with our administrations. And now we see someone emerging, someone unexpected, and in the paradigm you talk about the warrior. Who’s the warrior?

 

JONATHAN CAHN: So you have the House of Ahab. If he stays in power it’s going to seal the apostasy. So God, something happens. It’s going to be a showdown. Someone rises up in the book, in “The Paradigm,” it’s called, he’s called the warrior.

 

MICHAEL BROWN: But he’s not just like a kind of quiet.

 

JONATHAN CAHN: No, no, not quiet at all. No, not quiet at all by any stretch of the imagination.

 

MICHAEL BROWN: Peacemaker.

 

JONATHAN CAHN: No, no. He’s a warrior. He’s not even a politician.

 

MICHAEL BROWN: In the paradigm.

 

JONATHAN CAHN: In the paradigm. He’s a warrior. He’s a fighter. He fights with everybody, okay, in the paradigm. He’s name is Jehu.

 

MICHAEL BROWN: Zealous, very zealous.

 

JONATHAN CAHN: He’s zealous.

 

MICHAEL BROWN: He’s got some rough edges.

 

JONATHAN CAHN: He is not gentle at all. He is coarse. He’s a fighter. He’s fighting everybody and he begins this race to the throne. Read the, he actually begins a race to the throne, and the Bible describes the race as, the word is “crazy”. They said he was crazy. He drives crazy. The man drives furiously. It’s crazy. But he gets to the throne. Even though it’s a crazy race, he gets to the throne.

 

MICHAEL BROWN: And he has a certain zeal for the things.

 

JONATHAN CAHN: Yes. The zeal is a crazy zeal, but he’s used by God, and he’s the most unlikely person. The commoners can’t even agree if he’s saved or not, but he’s being used of God. And so what happens, I’ll just, we can only touch on some things, but he ends up in a show to show, a showdown against the former queen. So you have the former queen, and you have Hillary Clinton, you have the warrior, you have Donald Trump. Okay. And so now here’s the thing, Michael. I said if you knew the paradigm before these things, I knew the paradigm. I didn’t even know. If we knew it you could have actually foretold all this. All the polls were saying Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton. The paradigm was saying no.

MICHAEL BROWN: And there are prophetic words about Donald Trump being like a Divine wrecking ball, as you call him, God’s chaos candidate. But that’s like Jehu.

 

JONATHAN CAHN: That’s Jehu. That’s exactly Jehu. Everything, Michael. So the things the paradigm was saying, no, when the warrior meets the former queen, the warrior will defeat the former queen and it will be a downfall, and that’s exactly what happens. There is so much, there are details to this, too. So he wins. He now heads to the capitol city. Jehu heads to the capitol city. Now why does he head to the capitol city? To drain the swamp. Absolutely. Absolutely. This is not political here. The thing is that Jehu specifically is ending Baal worship, which is what, the offering up of children. So even Trump puts as his agenda we want to dismantle this, which leads to the next thing. And that is that when he goes there he actually destroys the temple of Baal in the capitol city. Now the temple of Baal was built by Ahab. And so what, he starts dismantling the system of killing children. Well that has been, one of the first things Trump did was sign the executive orders to start, to try to dismantle it. But interesting, now beyond this, could there be another sign? Well the thing is that when Jehu rises, when he goes to the capitol, the temple of Baal falls. So here’s the paradigm. When the warrior rises the temple of Baal falls. Could there actually be a temple of Baal in the world? Well there is. There was a temple of Baal that stood for 2000 years in the Middle East. It survived everything. But when Trump rose, the temple of Baal in the Middle East fell, was destroyed. It was destroyed. And it happened in 2015. You can check it out. Happened in the summer. Just after Trump announces, his rise, it falls. Even that. And here’s another thing, Michael. I said all the parameters are there. Well let’s take the days, in the book, there’s something called the Days of the Queen. So how long does Jezebel, how long is Hillary Clinton? She was the First Lady of Arkansas to the First Lady of America. Her rise with her husband was 22 years. Then how long does she go on? She goes on for 12 years. She’s Senator and she’s Secretary of State. Then she retires from public life for two years, if you read, then she comes back for two years to campaign for the presidency. Well that comes out to 14 years. So you have 22 years, you have 14 years. Look up at Jezebel and put it together. Jezebel was with her husband reigning for 22 years. She went on for how long, 14 years, the exact same thing. The exact same.

 

MICHAEL BROWN: All right. So what is coming next and as you understand this paradigm, do we have hope for the future?

 

JONATHAN CAHN: Okay. First of all, yes, in the paradigm there’s something called about the days to come. Actually, the paradigm actually converges with the harbinger because it’s the same setting. The first thing, what’s happened is now this is a window. According to the paradigm, this is a window like a reprieve where we have a chance for revival. We have a chance. You know, it just depends what we do with it. But there’s a whole thing about the future in there. We have one minute to go so I’m just going to say this. So yes, we are at a dangerous period. There is a warning in the paradigm, actually what Jehu does or doesn’t do, but there is also a chance. There is something in the paradigm called the Elijah paradigm and that is, it actually contains the keys for believers right now. What are we to do? How are we to live? How are we to overcome? How can there be revival? That’s in the Elijah paradigm because Elijah is in this, too, and that’s the final part. So there is hope. As long as there’s God, there’s hope, but it’s, the thing is that we’ve got to be like Elijah. The days of easy Christianity are over. We have to be radical. We have to be bold. We have to be on fire. We have to stand up for the truth and God will use it. God will anoint the Elijahs of the day.

 

MICHAEL BROWN: All right Jonathan, I need you to pray right now for the rising of that Elijah spirit among the people of God.

 

JONATHAN CAHN: Okay. Lord, we just ask your hand on this nation, Father. We thank you that you’re never finished. We thank you, Lord that you have promised revival if we will come before you. Father, we ask for the spirit of Elijah to come upon this nation, come upon the church, come upon the one listening. Lord, take away the spirit of timidity and, Lord, give a spirit of boldness, of confidence, of Elijah, Lord. Help us to be, Lord, these are the days of Elijah. Help us to be the Elijahs of the day. Help us to rise up and, Lord, we pray let there be revival in the land. Let there be revival in Washington, revival in the coast land, revival in the cities. Let there be revival, Lord. Come soon and have your way. We praise you in the name of the Yeshua Hamashiach, Jesus the Messiah, the Lord of all. Amen.

 

MICHAEL BROWN: Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Friends, here’s the bottom line. These are urgent times, but there is hope. God, start the revival with you and with me. It’s time.

SID: Jeff, in 2003, you had an angelic encounter that catapulted you into a whole new place in God. Tell me about it.

 

JEFF: Well Sid, I had already been moving in miracles, always doing ministry, but I dedicated a season of my life just to be able to press into the Lord because I wanted to go higher. I wanted something fresh from the Lord. So it was a season of prayer. And one night I went to bed after soaking in the presence of God, listening to music and prayer, contemplative. I was laying in my bed asleep and I was awakened by the blast of a trumpet. Two angels stood at the foot of my bed blowing silver trumpets in my face. I knew exactly what the John the Revelator said, in the presence of God he felt like he was a dead man in the presence of this supernatural being. That’s what I felt like. What came out of that encounter, I was taken into a place in Heaven and in this place in Heaven it was like a map room, a room of intercession. It was a map room where angels and people were praying for what God was going to release on the earth before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. We were talking about that Glory generation. I came back, everything changed in my ministry. Things were happening that I didn’t have a grid for.

 

SID: You know what, I believe you became a forerunner of what’s coming. That’s what it sounds like.

 

JEFF: Yes. I didn’t know what was happening. I was seeing gold teeth. Gemstones started appearing. Creative miracles began to manifest in the meeting. I didn’t even know how to explain it, but something tangible, something new.

 

SID: And by the way, you were at a meeting, you were one of my speakers and it was a funny story. This woman got a gold tooth, and I had her and her husband come on the platform, and I said to her husband, “Are you sure she didn’t have a gold tooth before?” And he’s kind of very tight with money. It was so funny. He said, “I’d never pay for a gold tooth.” Okay, so you’re in this new place, and I mean, you really didn’t even have a grid for these things to happen.

 

JEFF: You know, there’s no precedence for it in the Scripture. I mean, where do you find gold teeth in the Scripture? But it’s not about gold teeth. The ministry of signs and wonders just began to automatically happen. Signs and wonders happen. “These attesting signs [follow them] that believe,” Mark 16:17. Signs and wonders are normal and natural. Jesus moved in signs and wonders. He had Peter go down to the Sea of Galilee. “The first fish you take out pull a coin out its mouth.” He moved in odd, different kinds of ways.

 

SID: You call it radical anointings, and is this what you mean that Acts 2 is talking about when the “Spirit of God is coming on all flesh?”

 

JEFF: Yes, absolutely. It says, Acts 2:17, “I will pour out my spirit upon all mankind. Your sons and your daughters will prophesy.” So automatically signs and wonders, they start prophesy. And then it says, “I’ll show signs in the heavens and on the earth with these prophetic people as an outpouring happens.” And the end result is, Verse 21, for Acts 2:21, for 2021, is, “It will come to pass in that day that whosoever will call upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”

 

SID: Wait a second. Whosever will be saved, but what you said that most people miss is that God is pouring his spirit on all flesh.

 

JEFF: All flesh. That’s why everybody can do it. That’s why you’re feeling the presence of the Holy Spirit right now. You’re feeling it right now. I feel the draw right now. Some of you are saying, you know what, it’s not just for Jeff Jansen, it’s not just for Sid Roth, it’s for me as well. God is going to pour out his spirit upon all flesh. You can move prophetically through the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. The end result is signs and wonders happen, and it will come to pass that when this generation moves in signs, wonders and miracles, which I believe is this last day’s generation, “Whosoever in that day will call upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”

 

SID: That word “saved” in the Greek means healed, delivered.

 

JEFF: That’s right, “sozo”.

 

SID: Intimacy with God. And you know what, someone like Jeff, years, years seeking God, it’s going to be like, boom.

 

JEFF: Instantaneous.

 

SID: Instant.

 

JEFF: Instantaneous.

 

SID: Okay, tell me, because this is so critical for you, the key for moving in the Glory.

 

JEFF: Every time I had a visitation, Sid, moving in the Glory of God, is because I was pressing in. I was worshiping.

 

SID: You’re a song leader. Come on now, it’s easy for you to worship God in song, but how about me? I can’t carry a tune.

 

JEFF: Worship is not about singing a song. Worship is not about how well you sing. Worship is an attitude and a posture of heart.

 

SID: In other words, it doesn’t even have anything to do with singing.

 

JEFF: It has nothing to do with singing.

 

SID: That’s why I wanted you to hear.

 

JEFF: It’s the posture of the heart. You present yourself before the Lord. You give yourself to God. That’s worship. That’s worship. And those that do that, I’m telling you what, the Scripture says this: “You O Lord are enthroned upon the praises of your people.” When we praise, when we give him our heart the throne comes down, and where the throne is, the king is. Where the king is there’s a government. Where the government is there’s the angelic realm. His government rests down upon the praising, worshiping saint.

 

SID: So you’re saying that when we worship it literally creates an avenue, it creates that ladder to Heaven.

 

JEFF: Exactly.

 

SID: That’s Jacob’s angels coming up. That’s what’s happening when we are worshippers.

 

JEFF: That’s exactly right. I’ll share a quick little story. I was in Tanzania a while back doing a campaign, and there were 80,000 people on the last night.

 

SID: Little campaign.

 

JEFF: Little campaign, 80,000 people there. Most of them were Muslim and the Lord said, “Jeff, you get these people to shout praises to me and I will do great miracles.” My job was at being a cheerleader, getting the people to shout praises to Jesus Christ in Tanzania. And when we shouted the Glory of God came down, instantaneous miracles, mass deliverance. People were dropping all over the field because of the power of God. The Lord said, “You just get them to praise me and I’ll heal them.” And they got healed, the Glory of God fell on them, they got healed and then they got saved.

 

SID: I have to tell you, I read about what happened to you in Tanzania and about the shell. In my last two meetings I had people shout and the same thing happened. There’s a power in the shout. But I want you to nail what worship is right now, with the people.

 

JEFF: Worship is not about how you sing. It’s not about how well you sing. Worship is an attitude of the heart. You know, the Scripture says that “God is the rewarder of those who diligently and hotly pursue him.” I tell you what, if you make the Lord your pursuit, if you make the Lord your first priority he will come upon you, he will come after you. You think you’re going after God, he is hunting you down. And I believe that God is looking to hunt you down. You’re hungry right now. Worship is key to just receiving everything that God has for you and it’s not about singing, it’s about your heart. So right now just give your hearts to the Lord. “Set your affections on things above,” the Scripture says, “Set your heart on the Lord. Set your affections on him.” When you do that he will answer you. There is an impartation that God will give to everybody, and even now an impartation to you as you’re listening to what I’m telling you right now.

 

SID: I’m going to tell you what I know. I’m just in the presence of God as Jeff is speaking. I’m hearing words of knowledge, people. But there are going to be so many people healed, but I want Jeff to pray an impartation over your life to be hungry for God and receive the Glory of God, which he does all the time on media, and it goes right to the set or the computer. Be right back.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. What would cause a man that has seen thousands of miracles under his ministry, whose mother was actually healed at a Kathryn Kuhlman service, kind of raised with Oral Roberts, Kathryn Kuhlman, a diet of that. When he gets life-threatening cancer, to resort to the best prayer he knows and the best medicine he knows rather than just prayer alone. I’m going to ask Pastor Rod Parsley why in just a moment. Now Pastor Rod has been ministering for four decades. He pastors one of the most dynamic ministries in the country. And many years ago at the age of 27, he had an open vision, and I have to believe that when you went through what you just went through that no one should have to do it.

ROD: Yes.

SID: You were reminded of that vision.

ROD: I was, Sid. First of all, thanks for having me. I like to be right in the middle of things that are supernatural and I know that you do as well. In 1984, when I was standing on the platform of our church and the entire back wall of the sanctuary, we call it a tabernacle, disappeared. Suddenly I saw a scene play out before my very eyes. It was more real than the camera I’m looking at right now, and God entered that scene. I saw what I recognized to be the presence of Satan himself. As my eyes went upward I saw a crown upon his head. The skyline of that crown was my home city, Columbus, Ohio, twinkling like stars in the heaven where the lights in the buildings wrapped around his head. And suddenly a sword appeared. It made three revolutions, smote the enemy against the back of his knees. He fell over to the side and that crown rolled off his head, and suddenly as if you would zip a zipper, it was gone. The back wall was back and I began to shout out of my spirit, I began to shout, “I’m brave enough, I’m strong enough to pick up that crown and place it on the head of our savior.” Well now at 60, God said I’m about to enter, “You’re about to enter your third phase of Gospel ministry. I’m going to place a seven times greater anointing on you for healing, deliverance and salvation of the people of God.” And I said, “I’ll take it.”

SID: Your voice was tried to silence, but you I heard you say something good. I heard you say that now it’s seven times the anointing on your voice.

ROD: Amen.

SID: Seven times.

ROD: Amen. I’m going to reach seven times more people. It’s going to reach seven times more souls for the Kingdom, seven times more healings, seven times more demonstration of signs and wonders, and miracles.

SID: Now I’m going to take you back and I want you to tell me what happened. It was the month of June 2015.

ROD: Yes.

SID: You were shocked to your core. What happened?

ROD: I was. I had a little bit of a sore throat, which when you live in Ohio and you’re baptized in pollen several times a year, you know. So my general practitioner, he said, “Well I don’t see anything, but this has been going on long enough, I think we need to have you scoped.” So I saw the surgeon and he said, “Yes, there’s something there.” And he scheduled an appointment to go ahead and have vocal chord surgery. Well I called my team together and my precious wife Joni got in the middle of that meeting and produced a little piece of paper. She said, “God spoke to me that the enemy was going to attack your voice with cancer.” Yes.

SID: And so she probably didn’t want to tell you because she didn’t want to put power behind it.

ROD: No she didn’t, exactly. So she didn’t tell me. She began to pray. She said, “But now that I’ve seen this manifest, you are not,” she gave me a word of knowledge, “you are not to have surgery.” And I found out later had I had that surgery my vocal chords in all probability would have been irreversibly damaged and I probably never would have preached again.

SID: So from now on you’re going to listen to your wife.

ROD: I’m going to listen to her. Happy wife, happy life.

SID: Now there are many people that would say, well that’s a lack of faith to have medicine and prayer. What would you say to them?

ROD: I would say this: God the Holy Spirit, I believe that every good thing comes from our Father. I believe that, Sid, with all my heart. I do not believe that God gives people sickness and disease to teach them. However, I do believe that in the process we are all taught.

SID: Now you told me that you knew instantly this wasn’t something natural, this was demonic.

ROD: Yes.

SID: It was the devil.

ROD: Absolutely.

SID: So what was your strategy?

ROD: Well I’ve always believed that we need to treat sickness and disease, and shake it like a rat terrier shakes a mouse, that we should treat it like a rattle snake in the floor board of our automobile. It’s not of God. It’s not of God’s Kingdom. We live in a cursed planet. When our son Austin, our only son, was three years of age we received the diagnosis of a life sentence, autism. He was to never go to school, never read a book. My wife and I pulled the van over to the side of the highway and we said, “God, what do you want us to do?” And he said, “You know what to do. Get my Word on it. Attack it spiritually. Attack it in the natural and attack it with a seed.” And I said, “I’m going to do all three.” And my son just graduated from college with a 4.0 grade point average. Now when I was attacked, all of those naysayers started eating at me, and some of you have had, in fact, I’m speaking to hundreds right now who have had a diagnosis and you feel like it is a lack of faith for you to take a medication, for you to see a doctor. Let me tell you what to do. Do what I did. Attack it every way you can. When you are in the middle of the battle and the enemy of your soul is threatening to take away the multitude of souls that are in for God’s Kingdom, the thousands of people that will be healed today as we pray together, when he wants to stop all that, when he’s coming in the trenches after you, grab whatever weapon is at your disposal. The important thing is give all the glory to God because he’s going to bring you out.

SID: I like that. Now you did, you attacked, if you can just briefly tell me the four things you did, and I might add, you are still doing.

ROD: I’m still doing. Sid, God spoke to me, Proverbs 4:20 was the first scripture that he gave me when I received that diagnosis. Proverbs 4:20: “My son, I’m his. He identifies with me.” The Lord Jesus identifies with you when he taught you to pray “Our Father”. He’s not just Jesus’s Father, he’s your Father. Our Father. “My son, attend to my words. Incline your ear to my sayings for they are life to you.” And I studied that out. It actually says they are medicine to all your flesh. And God said to me, “You take it and you take it twice a day for two hours in the morning and two hours in the evening. You speak my Word.” And then he said, “Get a prayer cloth. Touch and agree.” If any two on Earth agree, as we’re going to do in just a few moments with you, touching anything that we shall ask, it shall be done for us by our Father which is in Heaven. Number three: receive Holy Communion every single day. Remember that Christ is in you and you are in him, as he is in the Father, and the Father is in him. And number four: use the Jehovah names of God. Seven times greater anointing is going to be released to you this very day. In fact, I speak to you now under the authority of the Lord Jesus Christ, and I say to every cancer cell to die in your body now and for a living life giving cell to replace it. I command that you have no negative side effects from any treatment or medication, or supplement that may be given to you. I stand before you now, sitting here in this chair. They did 28 radiation treatments. My throat had third degree burns inside and outside.

SID: How many side effects did you have?

ROD: Zero.

SID: That’s what I thought.

ROD: Zero. I rebuke those side effects from chemotherapy. I rebuke the side effects of radiation treatment. I declare and decree by the power of the Word of God that his holy anointing breaks through to you now and sets you free, spirit, soul and body.

SID: What was the final report on that horrific life-threatening cancer that you had?
ROD: Absolutely cancer-free.

SID: Wow! We’ll be right back with Pastor Rod Parsley and a message that had he not been healed you would never hear.

SID: Art, you talk about a lot about mental barriers. Give us some examples.

 

ART: Yes. I mean, we already talked about the hope deferred thing that happens to so many of us. Another one is judging people based on their merit, and that could be in the positive or the negative, you know. Sometimes we come at this saying, you know, Lord, this person has been so faithful. They’ve loved you so many years. There’s such a faithful minister, whatever. What we’re really doing is saying, God, don’t you see all the wonderful things they did to earn their healing? And our emphasis is all on their action and not Jesus’s action. It also works in the negative. It’s like with your family, it’s a lot harder.

 

SID: You know they’re backslidden. So you say, you’ve never healed them.

 

ART: Yes. If I’m on the street and someone says to me, I got diabetes, I’m like, come on, diabetes, get out, pancreas, function well, right. When your loved one that you know and you know their lifestyle says I got diabetes, you’re thinking, lay off the Twinkies, man, it’s your own fault. Right? Yeah.

 

SID: So what should I, all right, you know that let’s suppose you know someone’s even in sin. You know that. How does it affect how you pray?

 

ART: Well it’s not about me. It’s not about them. See, James 5 says that, “The prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well. The Lord will raise him up. If he sinned he’ll be forgiven.” So there’s a provision there. If their sickness came as a result of sin, the forgiveness is automatic. It happens right away.

 

SID: Now many people say it’s a lack of faith if you go to a doctor. It’s a lack of faith if you take medicine. What do you say?

 

ART: Well first of all, the irony is if I don’t believe it’s God’s will to heal, then why am I going to the doctor? That’s fighting against God’s will. So medicine is only going to work with a theology that says God wants me well.

 

SID: What do I say to the people that write me often, maybe it’s you, okay, you believe in healing, Sid. Why do you wear glasses?

 

ART: You know, my experience should not trump what the scripture says. So you know, we can make a theology out of the things we haven’t seen or we can make a theology out of Jesus who perfectly revealed the Father. And I think that makes a lot more sense. So like I said, I was struggling with degenerative disk disease for a year and a half watching other people get healed until I had my own miracle. What I say is, listen, what I’m telling you, what I’m believing, what I’m preaching is what the Word of God says regardless of my experience. I refuse to be a disciple of disappointment because then I can only reproduce disappointment. I have to be a disciple of Jesus so that I can reproduce Jesus.

 

SID: I want you to reach deep and pray whatever the Spirit of God tells you.

 

ART: Right now I’m seeing a picture of a right arm, and I’m actually, there’s a green sleeve around it. I’m not sure if that means anything to someone who’s watching right now. But whatever it is that’s going on with your right arm, I speak life and wholeness to it right now in Jesus’ name. And just try to move that, see if anything’s changed. Yes, I’m also hearing, hearing loss, specifically left ear, but really, Jesus paid the price for both ears. So if you’ve got hearing loss of any kind I tell those ears to open up right now in Jesus’ name. Throat conditions, in fact, there’s like a throat cancer, throat, some sort of laryngitis or something, things that are going on in the throat. We tell those things to stop. Thyroid, there’s like a nodule on someone’s thyroid that’s been swollen up and we tell that to shrivel up right now. Peace to you in Jesus’ name. If anyone has Crohn’s disease like I used to have, we tell Crohn’s to get out and never come back. I speak peace to your digestive system right now. Every sickness, every disease, every spirit of infirmity, I tell you to leave and never come back in the name of Jesus. Now if you can safely do it, test out those conditions. Try to do something you couldn’t do and let us know what happens.

 

SID: Well I’m going to tell you what’s going to happen. You are going to not look back anymore. I can tell you that it’s a new beginning for you. God is pure love and he wants you to know him, know him, and have Jesus come inside of you and be your Lord, and say, Lord, I want to have experiential knowledge of you in Jesus’ name. Amen.

SID: You know, during the break, Richard, God spoke to you. What did he say?

 

RICHARD: Thank you. Thank you, Lord. Your eardrum is opening right now in the name of Jesus. Deafness is leaving. There’s a person, you’ve had a terrible, it’s a man, you’ve had a terrible problem with varicose on your right leg and those veins are just going flat right now. And then the other word I got, there’s a tumor, this person has a tumor on the left side of your back and you’ve been diagnosed with skin cancer as well as there is cancer in the tumor, and that tumor is just dissolving now. And someone is going to go back to the doctor and find out the cancer is gone and you’ll be testifying to Sid and letting him know and the staff know what God is doing. I release that into your life now.

 

HANK: And you’ve also been out of work, and because of that cancer you’ve been out of work. And the Spirit of God says not only is a work of restoration for your body, but it is a work of restoration that you’ll get your life back including your job and resources shall soon be released, too.

 

SID: You were minding your own business one day, walking your dog and a cloud shows up. What happened?

 

HANK: This happened to me last summer. I have two German Shepherd dogs. And if you know anything about German Shepherds they’re very high-energy dogs. As I was walking it was a very bright and sunny day. I feel like Brother Hagin used to say it was a bright and sunny day. But it was a very bright and sunny day. There wasn’t a cloud in the sky. And I was walking my two German Shepherds, and all of a sudden I looked up above some trees and I thought they were on fire, and a Glory cloud appears. And all of a sudden my dogs sat down. They were at attention and the Spirit of God spoke out of the clouds, and here’s what he said. He said, “Hank, I am going to make this nation great again.” But then he said this, he said, “This is my saying.” He said, “What does a nation look like filled with Glory?” I couldn’t answer him. I started weeping. I said, “God, I don’t the answer to the question you just asked me.” He said, “Watch. I’m about to show you and others because my Glory is coming upon this earth and it’s coming fast.” And it’s for the healing of the nation, and signs, wonders and miracles.

 

SID: What would that look like to you?

 

RICHARD: It would look like to me after something that happened in one of my dad’s crusades years ago. There was a night, and my father would tell the story if he were here, where in about a 14-minute span everyone he prayed for was healed. And the next day we came out to the tent and picked up arm loads of crutches and canes, and walkers, and ear pieces, and contraptions of all types and description, and the Glory of God came into that tent.

 

SID: You said to me when we were talking on the phone that when the prophetic and the healing ministry combine it’s greater than either one by itself. Tell me what you mean by that.

 

RICHARD: When you join together and you’re seeing the gifts of the Spirit operating in tandem, and that’s what Hank and I saw as we received your invitation to come here to be on this program, we saw the gift of prophecy and the gifts of healing, and the word of knowledge flowing in tandem together. I saw that in the spiritual realm. I saw a word of prophecy and then a word of knowledge, and then a word of knowledge and a word of prophecy. I saw it going back and forth, and we saw just a moment ago when I gave a word about cancer, suddenly he gave a word about a job. That’s what’s happening and that’s what God is doing. And as it happens the Glory of God falls.

 

HANK: The Lord said a lot of the anger and the bickering, and the fighting that’s going on right now, especially in the United States, is whenever Jesus showed up he had the Spirit without measure. He carried the Glory. The enemy would throw himself on the ground, they would protest, act violently because of the Glory that was moving in upon Jesus. The Glory is moving in among this nation and the earth. Whether we like it or not, whether we agree with it, we will not be able to stop it. You know what a nation looks like filled with Glory? Watch the Supreme Court when all of a sudden God establishes, like you said, righteousness and rightness on hearts. And we’ve got Supreme Court justices that will rule 6-3, 7-2 in favor of the Lord and what he desires. Watch as prayer comes back to our schools and they begin to declare the name of Yeshua cross this nation. For a season God is going to use Israel. Why? Because God’s Glory is coming from there. In fact, Israel, listen, Spirit of God says, “It was from you, you Israel, that a savior came to bring salvation and to bring healing. And this is my promise to you, Israel, that from you is coming a healing bomb as discoveries are being accelerated now to bring cures to those things that they said there is no cure. Watch from Israel. It shall be declared,” says the Lord.

 

RICHARD: We’re going to see tremendous healing among children.

 

HANK: Yes.

 

RICHARD: Many of you watching right now, you have children, you have sons and daughters, you have grandchildren, you have great-grandchildren. Some of them have been very ill. There is healing coming to children.

 

SID: I want you to reach out to God now, hear his voice, be his voice. Do you need deliverance? Do you need healing? Release your faith. Be healed.

 

RICHARD: Amen.

SID: I know your story, Richard, but to be raised with one of the giants of men and women of God that move in miracles, but not even raised with them, but at his side at so many of his meetings. You can see God’s hand on your life from the very beginning. But tell me what you saw with your own eyes, creative miracles of your dad.

 

RICHARD: Sid, the one that really stands out to me is the one that you and I have talked about before, was a little boy that was born without a hip socket. And when his mother brought him into the prayer line he was about my age. And my dad read the prayer card and said to the woman, “I am so sorry. I just don’t have faith for a creative miracle.” The woman took the microphone and said, “Brother Roberts, I don’t ask you to have any faith at all. You just pray and I’ll do the believing.” And he prayed and seemingly nothing happened. The little boy left on his crutches and the metal brace, and he went off the same way he came on. But the next night when we got to the tent they had the little boy up on the platform and he was running and jumping. He didn’t have a crutch. His shoe was not built up. There was no metal brace and he was running and jumping. And my father went over and put his hand on the place where he put it the night before where his hip was all sunken in because there was no hip socket, and in the night God had supernaturally created a hip socket. And he’s still doing that today. Someone’s left leg, which is shorter than the other is supernaturally being lengthened and you’re going to find, in fact before this program is over, someone is going to find that their leg has grown out to the exact length of their other leg.

 

SID: Now Richard, I’ve read a lot about your dad and the devil tried to get rid of him before he got started. He had, which was really a fatal type of disease back then, TB.

 

RICHARD: Yes.

 

SID: And God spoke to him about his call. What did he say?

 

RICHARD: He said, “Son, I am going to heal you and you’re to take my healing power to your generation.” And when his older brother, my oldest uncle, and aunt, my oldest aunt, his sister, took him to a healing meeting, a man prayed a different kind of prayer. He didn’t say, “Lord, if it be your will, heal this boy of tuberculosis.” Instead, he said, “You foul tormenting sickness, I adjure you by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, come out of this boy, loose him and set him free.” Someone is liable to get healed right now as I’m praying that prayer right now because the power of God is just as strong now as it was then. As the power of God came up his feet, up his legs, into his body, suddenly he could breathe without hemorrhaging. Before, for the period of five months when he would cough he would hemorrhage and spit blood across the room, and had lost the power to walk. But suddenly, the power of God came in, he could breathe all the way in and breathe all the way out. He had been born a stutterer, could hardly say his name especially when he was under pressure. They put a microphone in his face and he talked for ten minutes before he realized he hadn’t stuttered once. That was the beginning of the healing ministry of something supernatural.

 

SID: You recently taught on the subject of miracles are coming towards us.

 

RICHARD: Yes.

 

SID: Or passed us.

 

RICHARD: Yes.

 

SID: Tell me why they go passed us. I’d rather know how to come into me, receive it.

 

RICHARD: Just look at the scriptures, Sid. Here you see Jesus with a great crowd and the Bible speaks of two or three that were healed. Miracles were coming toward the people or they were going passed the people, some who wanted to be in the atmosphere to receive, some who didn’t want to be in the atmosphere to receive. So miracles were constantly passing by. What we have to learn how to do is to use our faith. It’s not just his power. His power is important, certainly, but we have to use our faith. His power and our faith have to come together and it happens through a point of contact. A point of contact is something that you do and when you release your faith you get yourself into an atmosphere for healing. The woman who touched the border of his garment, the woman with the issue of blood made the border of his garment, which was more than likely a prayer shawl, which had tassels at the base, representing the Law of Moses, which was the Word of God, she made the Word of God a point of contact. She said, if I can, really what she was saying was if I can just get my hands on the Word of God I will release my faith, and as soon as she touched it her faith was released because Jesus whirled around and said, “Who has touched me?” Now she touched the tassels on his garment, but he said, “Someone has touched ME.” We can touch him by our faith. We can release our faith. Faith, when I receive this prayer in the name of Jesus, I release my faith to you and I receive a miracle. You know, when my father prophesied and put a portion of his spirit on me, I said, “Lord, I want that. I claim that in Jesus’ name. That’s mine in the name of Jesus.” And that’s what she was doing. And Jesus whirled around and said, “Someone has touched me.” She told him the truth. He said, “Woman, your faith, your believing, the fact that you have released your faith has set you free.” And often times when I pray for people they say, well I didn’t feel instantaneous healing. Well who knows? It might come by the end of this program. It might come tomorrow. It might come next week. That’s why we hold in faith and continue to release our faith, and say, I’m not coming out of this prayer of agreement until the miracle is manifested.

SID: Richard, you have people healed of stage 4 cancer. So many people, tell me a quick story of one person.

 

RICHARD: I just got a testimony just this morning of a woman who called for prayer. She had a fibroid tumor the size of a grapefruit. And when we prayed she said the thing just went flat. The doctor said it’s no longer there. She released her faith. I wasn’t there to lay hands on her. I didn’t have a word of knowledge for her. But when I prayed, she took hold of her faith and let it go to God, and the fibroid tumor disappeared. We just got another testimony from a woman who had been diagnosed with stage 4 cancer, and she’s the one you’re referring to. Just about three weeks ago, I got this testimony. She had called into our Abundant Life prayer group and we had prayed, and they had brought the prayer request to me. We prayed. She called back and said, “I went back to the doctor again. Now they cannot find a trace of cancer in my body. It is gone.” What God did, he’s still doing.

 

SID: Now when we come back Hank Kunneman and Richard Roberts are here to reveal how healing and the prophetic, they work together for supernatural results. Stay with us.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. When you combine prophecy and healing together it’s going to cause an explosion of miracles. Are you ready? Now my first guest Hank Kunneman is really one of the most accurate prophets of this generation. His prophecies regarding 9/11, America’s promise and future, prophecies for the nations of the world and even his word from God saying, “I will make America great again.” No, that was not Donald Trump first. That was this guest right now, Hank Kunneman. Hank, you told me that you had, I don’t know if it was a dream or a vision, of you sitting at this desk and me asking you a question: “Hank, so what do you see happening this year?”

 

HANK: This year. I did see that question being asked of you in my dream, and the Lord spoke in the dream, and here’s what he said. He said, “Hank, that is too limited.” He said, “I want to broaden the perspective of the people that they understand it’s not just what I’m doing this year, but what I’m doing in the now.” This is important: in the now. Now the now can span through this year, it can span through next year, the coming years when God moves in the now. Here’s how you know. Jesus’ first miracle, he turned water into aged wine, the best wine to last. It was accelerated time. It was also now that he moved and presented that to the governor of the feast. And it says that this is the beginning of miracles that Jesus did. Well we know that it was the miracle in the now. It was accelerated time, but it was also the beginning of miracles, meaning that it hasn’t stopped. In fact, I hear the Spirit of God say this: “I am the God who moves in the now and now my Glory is coming upon this nation, the United States, and it’s coming upon the nations of the earth, and it’s coming fast,” says the Spirit of God. “United States, you shall be united as what bears your name. And there is a move that shall change legislatively and you will see that the finest days are soon to come upon you in the now. For this is my plan,” says the Spirit of God. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Lord.

 

SID: I tell you, I don’t know about you, but the Holy Spirit is just bubbling up within me. God let you see something that must have been wonderful. God let you see through his eyes.

 

HANK: Yes.

 

SID: Explain.

 

HANK: This happened to me just a few Sundays ago. I was standing on the front row of the church that I pastor in Omaha, Nebraska and I was worshiping the Lord, and all of a sudden, Sid, I felt like somebody threw a coat on me, I knew it was the Lord, like a coat. It was so heavy I could hardly stand, I could hardly walk to the platform to transition the service. All of a sudden I saw a pair of eyes. I said, “Lord, what is this?” He said, “Hank, I’m allowing you to see through my eyes for events that are coming in the now for the nations.” And it’s almost like, if you ever downloaded files on a computer, they go [whoosh] real fast. That’s how fast things were moving through the eyes of the Lord that I was looking through and being downloaded in my spirit. And I really believe that there is things that are happening by the Spirit of God that if we limit it to a time we will miss the bigger picture of what God is trying to reveal in the now. He’s up to good. “And let it be known even unto you, Sid,” said the Spirit of God says, “that I have placed you in the Middle East, but all watch what I’m about to open, not only in Europe, but I’m about to open up even in Asia an effectual door of utterance. Why? To handle this move of my Spirit and awakening that is coming to the earth and it’s coming fast.” Thank you, Lord.

 

SID: You know, Hank, God has given you a revelation on a subject I have never heard anyone even teach on, and that is the Bible talks about wind and the Bible talks about a north wind, a south, an east, a west. You have revelation that when you get this knowledge and pray according to biblical knowledge you get amazing results. Take one wind and give me an example.

 

HANK: All right. First, let me just say this. Ezekiel prophesied to the four winds externally.

 

SID: Yes.

 

HANK: We through the Holy Spirit prophesy with the four winds in our mouth. I’ll give you one example. The east wind, you can read all four winds in Job 37, the east wind is a wind of judgment against the enemy. It’s a wind of breakthrough. It’s also a wind of correction. When we’re specific we are decreeing a thing, as the scripture says, and it will be established. When I decree the north wind, for example, which is…

 

SID: I’ll tell you what, would you do me a favor?

 

HANK: Yes.

 

SID: Would you make a decree of the north wind right now that Heaven is going to move on.

 

HANK: In the name of Jesus, I decree from my mouth and the authority that I stand in, and I decree with the north wind let there come an awakening onto the earth and onto this nation. And I decree from the north the cleansing rain of God’s presence. Let it begin to come and fall upon the land. For in the United States, welcome in your rain, welcome your wind. For even in the natural this is your sign of what is taking place from the north wind of my spirit to rain down righteousness in my presence again.

 

SID: You know, I have to tell you, for years I’ve been interviewing you and a number of other prophets, and you’ve been almost like a lone voice. Everyone else is saying gloom and doom. I couldn’t get you to say that.

 

HANK: We have to hear from the Third Heaven. That’s the Throne Room. That’s the highest place. And really what it comes down to is God’s heart. When you’re a Third Heaven prophet you’re after God’s heart. And always remember this. God always has, whether it’s a warning or a word to you or a nation, God always has a redemptive plan. And the Spirit of God said to me, he said, “As long as my Spirit is in the earth I always have a redemptive plan.” Even if a warning comes, what is a redemptive plan? Sid, a redemptive plan is God’s message of help and his message of hope. And that’s why people get caught up in doom and gloom because they’re excluding the redemptive sight of God who always wants to help, who always wants to bring hope.

SID: Now God has always, even from the beginning, wanted to use man’s voice. Comment on that.

 

HANK: God has always wanted to use man’s voice. He wants to use your voice, and the reason why he wants to use our voice because of the authority that we carry in the earth as his sons and daughters, as his representatives. And when we speak we are speaking with his authority and with his power, and we can shift regions and territories. We can even cause our own life, that maybe it’s not going well, when we start declaring, Lord, I’m blessed, Lord, I declare that your blessings are coming upon me, we are shifting things and we also are breaking the powers of darkness that uses words to release agendas and assignments against us.

 

SID: By the way, speaking of God’s voice on the earth, Richard Roberts tells you a little understood truth, how to grab hold of your miracle, right after this.

JOHN: Okay. Jesus made a statement. He’s speaking to the “11.” Judas has already gone to betray Him. These are the eleven closest men to Him on the face of the earth. These have been His very best friends. Jesus is allowed to have friends, you know that, right? Okay. So Jesus looks at these guys after Judas leaves. And He says “No longer do I call you servants.” Now the fact that He says no longer do I call you servants means at one time they were looked at and merely regarded as servants. That’s not a revelation, that’s a grammar lesson. Okay? Why does God do that with us? Why is there a time in our walk with Him that even though we’re an “heir” He treats us as a servant? Remember Galatians 4:1 “As long the heir is a child he differs nothing from the servant.” Why? Now listen, this is so important that you understand this. Why is there a time when even though we are an heir God has to treat us as a servant? Can I tell you why? To protect us. Because He loves us so much. He doesn’t want happening to us what happened to Ananias and Sapphira. Okay, let me give you an example that’s really weak but it works, okay? We worked for two very large ministries, worldwide ministries back in the 1980’s. One had a staff of 450 people, the other one had a staff of 150 people. When we were launched into our own ministry in 1990 I came up with a new concept of leadership. Every employee’s going to be my best friend. So some of you already know the stupidity of that wisdom. Okay. So I hired our first guy on. His name was John. And I employed my new strategy. He’s my best buddy. So we’re playing basketball, we would even watch videos, he’d hang out at the house constantly, he’d eat dinner with us all the time, bestÖ the guy was great the first year, until I had to bring some minor correction to him. Because at our resource table he was treating people kinda rude. And so I sat him down after a year and I said, John, listen, these are God’s people. We love them. I don’t want you to be unapproachable at the table. I want you to smile more, I want you to help them. And he looks back at me, no kidding, and he points his finger at me and he starts railing on me. Well you’re this and you’re that and you’re this. And I’m sitting there going, “Ho, my, my.” So I immediately look inside, I said Lord, what do I do?  And the Lord said, “Fire him.” So I let him completely vent. And when he’s done venting, I said, “Well you can’t work for Messenger International anymore. I’m going to have to ask you to leave. Well he storms out. He’s mad. And I start crying “cause I really cared about the guy. Now I’m crying and the Holy Spirit speaks to me and says, “He will be back working for you and he will be twice as faithful.” So three months go by, I haven’t heard a peep from him, don’t know what’s going on in his life, I have no idea. And I get a phone call from him. He says, John, this is John. He said for the (laughter). He said for the last, for the, for the last three months God has dealt with me and really spoken to me like He’s never spoken to me before. He said, John, I lost sight of the place God had put you in my life. I lost sight of the place God had placed me in your life. He said I started treating you as common and ordinary. He said I did the same thing with Lisa and he said God has really dealt with me. And he said I am just calling to tell you I am so sorry. I really, really misunderstood and lost sight of who you were in my life. I said John, I forgive you. Well I talked a few more minutes. I said would you, would you come back and work for us? He said “Absolutely!” He came back and worked for us, we never had problems with him in that area again. Now 24 years later I have a new policy. I have 30 employees, right? My policy now is I will not share intimate things of my life with any of my employees until I know first of all they’re very established in who God made them to be in my life and Lisa’s life and until, well they’re very established in who I am in their life and they’re very established in who they are in my life. Right? Are you with me? Because I don’t want to destroy, and I don’t do this because I’m scared to reveal my heart to my employees. I don’t want to destroy them like I almost destroyed that young man. But once I know an employee of ours, a team member of ours is very established in who I am, and very established in who they are, I’ll bring ‘em in.  Some of my employees are my closest friends. Okay? So this is what God says to us: He says until you’re very established in who you are before Me, and very established in who I am before you, I got toa keep you at a servant level even though you’re an heir because I don’t want happening to you what happened to Ananias and Sapphira. But once you’re established in who I am in your life and who you are in my life, the fear of the Lord, I can bring you in as a close friend. Are you seeing this?

 

AUDIENCE:                 Yeah.               (APPLAUSE)

JOHN:  Okay, some of you aren’t getting this, some of you are. Okay, all right. All of you know me as John Bevere, speaker, some of you know me as John Bevere, author, but there is a lady, and she is a lady, her name is Lisa, Lisa Bevere. She knows me as John Bevere, husband, she knows me as John Bevere, best friend, she knows me as John Bevere, Dad, she knows me as John Bevere, Gee Daddy, that’s grandpa because I’m way too young to be called grandpa, she knows me as John Bevere, athlete, she knows me as John Bevere, lover. Now can I say this ñ none of you will ever know me as John Bevere, lover!

 

AUDIENE:                   (LAUGHING)

 

JOHN:  That is a facet of my personality you will never know. Only Lisa knows it because she’s the closest person to me on this earth. God just revealed a facet of His personality to Abraham that nobody had ever known before because he’s my friend. Now if you look at the relationship between God and Abraham it’s amazing. One day God makes this statement: Should we do what we’re planning on doing with Sodom and Gomorrah without first talking to our friend Abraham about this? So the Lord comes down by the terebinth tree, has a meal with Abraham and He and Abraham leave the two angels and everybody else, all the servants and they go over to the cliff and they look over the plains of Sodom and the Lord looks at Abe and says, “Abe, we’re thinking about blowing up these two cities. What do you think?”

 

AUDIENCE:                 (BIG LAUGHTER)

 

JOHN:  And Abe goes SODOM! And the Lord goes yeah, yeah, yeah, Sodom, and Gomorrah, too. What do you think? And Abe goes “think, think, think.  Okay, okay, wait! You wouldn’t like blow up these two cities if there was 50 righteous people, would you? And the Lord goes, “Excellent idea, excellent idea! Okay, we will not blow up the cities if there’s 50 righteous people.” Glad we talked to our friend, Abraham. Abraham goes what if there isn’t 50. He goes wait a minute, wait a minute, what about if there was 45 righteous people? Would you blow up the cities if there’s 45? The Lord goes “another good idea. Okay, we will not blow up the cities if there’s 45.” So Abraham talks Him all the way down to ten. He figures there’s got to be ten, I mean I got Lot’s, one, all I need is 9 others. Right?

 

AUDIENCE:                 (LAUGHTER)

 

JOHN:  But you know there’s not. Now this is what is amazing. The Bible says Sodom and Gomorrah’s buying, selling, trading, marrying, giving in marriage, planting and harvesting. What is all that in today’s vernacular? Life is great, the economy is booming, and if there is a God, He doesn’t mind our lifestyle. They’re 24 hours from being obliterated and they’re clueless. That is not what’s scary. This is what is scary! Everybody say “Lot”!

 

AUDIENCE:                 Lot!

 

JOHN:  Who the Bible calls righteous. Okay, let me put it to you in today’s terminology. Saved, born again, Christian.

 

AUDIENCE:                 Right, uh, huh, c’mon now.

 

JOHN:  Lot’s 24 hours away from being obliterated. He’s as clueless as Sodom and Gomorrah. It takes two messengers of mercy, two angels, because Abraham prayed, thank God Abraham prayed, to get him out. And his wife was a little too attached, that’s why she became a pillar of salt and Jesus says in the New Testament “remember Lot’s wife” in speaking about the fear of the Lord. Now here’s two righteous men, two saved men, two born again men, let’s put in today’s terminology. One righteous man knows what God’s going to do before He’s does it and helps God decide how He’s going to do it. The other righteous man, righteous man, saved man is as clueless as the world. Why? This righteous saved man fears God, therefore he’s the friend of God, therefore God shares His secrets with him. This righteous saved born again man is not the friend of God. He’s saved, he’s righteous but he’s not the friend of God therefore God doesn’t share His secrets with him. Moses is the other man. The Bible says Israel knew God by His works, Moses knew His ways. He revealed His ways to Moses but Israel knew God by His works. Correct? What does it mean that Israel knew God by His works? Israel knew God by how their prayers were answered. Do you know how many people in America, Christians I’m talking about, their relationship with God is limited to how God’s answered my prayers. My daughter was sick, we prayed and God healed her. We had a financial need, we sowed a seed, and God met the need. Moses knew many times what God was going to do before he did it and two times God literally changed His mind because of what Moses said to Him in reminding God of what He had previously said. Now here’s two righteous people, okay, groups of people, because they all came out of Egypt, they all drink the same spiritual food, ate the same spiritual food, they all followed that Rock which was Christ. We have two groups of saved people. Israel who only knows God by how He’s answers his [their] prayers and you have Moses who knows what God’s going to do before he does it. Why? Because Israel doesn’t fear God therefore they don’t know the secrets of God they only know God by how He answers their prayers. And here’s Moses who knows what God’s going to do before He does it because he’s the friend of God because he fears God because the secret of the Lord is with those who fear Him and he will show them His covenant. Now do you want to see this in the New Testament? One person? (audience laughs) Do you want to see it in the New Testament?

 

AUDIENCE:                 YES!