SID: When Mary Baxter prayed
over you, you received something special and when you pray for deliverance in a
corporate setting, have you ever seen almost everyone gets set free in a
congregation?
JOHN: Yes, it’s happened to me
two times. It was totally amazing. Didn’t touch anyone. Just spoke deliverance
and people just started falling out and manifesting. Even the elders that were
helping them, they were falling out as well.
SID: Do people know if they
have demons?
JOHN: I believe some do and some
don’t. I was doing a deliverance class and one of my members of my church, she
came and said, “look, I don’t need to come to the deliverance class.”
She said, “I only have one demon”. And I say, “that’s one demon
too many. You don’t want any demons.”
SID: Tell me about the woman.
Just read the intro of your brand new book and what happened.
JOHN: That was amazing. She came
to our church and she purchased the book and she went home and just read the
introduction and the first chapter. She wrote on my Facebook page, she wrote in
saying that she got total deliverance just by reading those two chapters. It
amazed me.
SID: You see why the devil did
not want that book? I mean that’s a freedom book. Yes. Did you feel the glory
of God at all when you were doing this?
JOHN: I did. I did, and the
glory was more evident through the resistance because I believe that when you
are facing a lot of resistance, God is in that thing. And you have to keep
going and push forward. Too many people face resistance and they stop going,
but that’s when I go hard even more. David ran at Goliath, he didn’t run from
Goliath. He ran at Goliath first, so a lot of times we have to run after the
devil and get him on the run instead of him having us on the run.
SID: You know what I believe? I
believe once the devil becomes convinced you’re never going to give up. He goes
and looks for someone else. That’s what I’m convinced.
JOHN: I would say the devil
fights hard, but he doesn’t fight long.
SID: I like that. You teach a
lot about how to protect our anointing oil with the Holy Spirit. What, what do
you mean by that? Explain that.
JOHN: Well, one definition of
anointing is effectiveness. So the devil wants to stop our effectiveness, so
he’ll do whatever he can do. So we really need to guard our oil, our anointing
so he doesn’t discover the secret to our effectiveness. A lot of times we talk
about anointing and you need anointing for different things. Revival, for
breakthrough, for healing. And once the enemy finds that secret out, he’ll
start planning and plotting against you. That’s why sometimes it’s better to be
quiet than to really talk a lot. You don’t want the enemy to hear you. The
plans and strategies God has downloaded specifically to you in order to tear
down his kingdom. So I believe that again, it goes back to effectiveness. God
has given us oil to be effective and the devil doesn’t want that.
SID: You say that every
believer [has] a right to divine wholeness and healing. Every believer.
JOHN: Yes, yes.
SID: Explain.JOHN: I did a study and I looked at how people were
healed and I learned that the people that decreed the thing got healed. Instead
of asking questions, instead of asking for healing. I went to the Centurion
soldier. He said, “speak the word only and my service should be made holy.”
He told that to Jesus and it happened. The woman with the issue of blood, she
said, “if I may touch to hem of his garment, I’ll be made whole.” And
she did it. And that’s what happened. And even blind Bartimaeus, he said,
“Oh, son of David have mercy on me.” Statement. Decree. He got
healed. He got healed. He got his sight back. So what I learned is that we have
to do it by faith. Job 22 and 28 says, if you decree a thing it is established.
So I’m learning that we have to decree him because it’s something that belongs
to us. Healing is the children’s bread. We have it. It’s a promise of God. So
what we have to decree it by faith. And it will start to manifest in our
bodies.
SID: What difference would it
make if the parents, rather than those word curses that they don’t even
understand that have so much power, so much supernatural power, what if they
blessed their children?
DONNA: Their children would be
free. Their children would be blessed. Their children would receive the
blessings that are in heaven, that God stored up in heaven, that he wants to
come down to the earth and their children would have those blessings on them.
SID: Look, there is so much to
learn from the revelations she got in hell, but even greater the revelations
she got in heaven. One of my favorite places that you talk about is the Hall of
Miracles, but tell me as you were entering, tell me about those body parts you
saw.
DONNA: All right. This place in
heaven that’s called the Hall of Miracles is probably my favorite place to go
to. When I was in heaven—
SID: It would be my favorite.
DONNA: And it is an enormous
hall, miles and miles long, and it’s gold, gold floor with beautiful
chandeliers, there’s all diamonds hanging from the whole ceiling. And down this
hall, there are doorways, all doorways. And so the Lord brought me there and I
said, “Can I go in and see what’s in the doorways?” And he said,
“Sure, you can go in.” So I went in the first doorway, the first
doorway on the left was a room full of body parts. There were legs, there were
arms, there were eyeballs, there were ears. There were all the things that
God’s children here on the earth would need. He’s got them there in this room
ready. At the great revival that’s coming, he’s going to empty that room and it
will be pulled to the earth.
SID: [crosstalk]
DONNA: Oh, for sure, for sure.
But what he showed me is we don’t have to wait for the revival. If we pray, if
we live in intimate fellowship with him, if we turn from our wicked ways, stop
sinning, live holy lives, we can ask him for those things, not just for
ourselves, for others too. And he said, if we would do that, we would keep his
angels busy day and night, bringing those treasures that are in the hall of
miracles to the earth now.
SID: I mean you met so many
places that you saw that intrigue me. I’d like to talk about your mansion
because… But we don’t have time on that. But tell me about the room of golden
fishing nets.
DONNA: Yes. This was down the
hall of miracles. In this room that the Lord brought me into there were beautiful
gold fishnets all over the room and he said, “I’m getting ready to release
these fishnets to the earth and these are going to be sent to those that I
found faithful.” He tests his children and he sees who’s faithful to him.
Who is diligent, who’s responsible, who will do the right thing when nobody’s
looking? Those are the ones, okay? That are faithful in the few he’s going to
send these fishnets to and they’re going to be used to bring in the end time
harvest. He said, “You will not be drawing in material things with these
fish nets. You are going to bring souls into my kingdom.”
TRACY: If I told you that God’s
going to start breaking the finances open for you, there’s been financial
struggles. There’s an angel over you. Sir lift your hands, God’s healing you.
You’ve been having a problem with your shoulder area. Is it Dustin?
Dustin: Yes.
TRACY: Your name is Dustin?
SID: You don’t know him.
TRACY: I don’t know, this is the
first time-
SID: Do you know him?
Dustin: I do not.
SID: Now you know him, he knows
your name.
TRACY: Dustin.
Dustin: Yes.
TRACY: You are a contractor. I
see contracting all around you like buildings and stuff like that. Like
utility, like contract work, there’s an increase that’s coming. There was an
accident you was involved with and God said to tell Dustin that the attack is
over and the curse is broken and God’s going to move in your life, your darkest
days are behind you. The last three years have been hard in your life.
Dustin: Yeah.
TRACY: 8631.
Dustin: 8631.
TRACY: Is that your address?
Dustin: Yep.
TRACY: Almost like Country Line
Drive.
Sierra: County Line Road.
TRACY: County Line Road.
TRACY: If I pronounce your name
right, it’s an S, Sierra.
Sierra: Yes sir.
TRACY: What is your name?
Sierra: Sierra.
TRACY: Sierra Dawn.
Sierra: Yes.
SID: Do you see why I’m in awe?
TRACY: Your name is Sierra Dawn
Kelso.
Sierra: Yes.
TRACY: Kelso.
TRACY: You’re Dustin Wayne.
Dustin: Yes.
TRACY: Lift up your hands, God’s
healing you. God bless you. He’s giving your home a miracle. God’s touching
your children. The last three years have been hard, but the last three years
God’s going to turn your life around. Dustin, Sierra, God said it’s over. We’re
done rebuking the devil. You’re healed, darling, in your lower abdomen area
around your female organs, you’ve been having … isn’t that right?
Sierra: I have scoliosis in my hips.
TRACY: And I’d seen that God,
he’s moving it right, you see where my hand is at. It’s right there?
Sierra: Yes.
TRACY: You’re not going to have
that anymore. You can get back to your doctor and he’ll confirm the miracle.
SID: I notice you like to
confirm miracles.
SID: Have doctors confirmed
them? That’s important to you.
TRACY: Well to me it is very
important and I often tell people, I have people in my revival, when I’m
heeling, I know I’m heeling. I said, “That’s great. Now go back to your
doctors and let it confirm, because God’s not intimidated with doctors, he made
them. So that’s verified what God is doing. That’s verified of what he’s doing,
not one man is doing. Get your eyes off of man. Get it on the Lord.
SID: Now I wanted to do that
just as a foretaste. I mean we’ve got too much to cover on this program. So do
you want to hear more from Tracy? Would you like Tracy to minister to you
watching at home as well as in our TV studio audience? Then simply go to
sidroth.org/cooke for the extended version of this program. Again, that’s
sidroth.org/cooke.
SID: And I have to tell you
something. The reason for you to see a demonstration of the power of God is to
believe God is bigger than you ever thought. The reason for you to see this is
so that you can first have your own intimacy with God, your own experiential
knowledge of God, because to know him is everything, and everything without
knowing him is nothing. Amen.
SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Patricia King and her world, what is
normal in her world is seeing angels, miracles, visions being transported in
the spirit. But you know what, Patricia, that is normal in the Bible and maybe,
just maybe, the whole world has to be normal.
PATRICIA: Amen.
SID: Now, Patricia, your new book Accessing
the Riches of Heaven. When I hear riches, I think about money. I think
about, “Oh, it’s how to become a millionaire, your book.” But you
said, “Huh.” That’s not what you mean by riches.
PATRICIA: It’s actually far from it. Even though God doesn’t mind giving
people money. It’s just basically paper. Earthly currency is very fickle. It’s
actually, it’ll go up in value one day, down the next, be worthless the next.
We cannot put our trust in it, but heavenly riches is way beyond anything that
is in this world. Any monetary value that we can put on things. It includes
provision, of course, and God wants us to have an abundance of provision for
our lives to perform his will, but it’s about like the riches of his wisdom,
the riches of his health, his strength, his vitality, his revelation, his
goodness, his presence. And it’s so much more.
But it’s all available to
us. That when Jesus died on the cross, he actually gave us all that he is and
all that he has was made available to us. And so when we explore the riches in
heaven because God says, “I want you to live on Earth. I want you to
experience on Earth as it is in heaven.” So when we explore what he has
for us in the heavenly places, knowing that we can operate in these things in
the Earth through a faith connection, it just changes your world. And I love
the book because it goes into so many aspects, not only of what riches are, but
how to access them.
SID: The true riches. Give me a good example, that little crippled
girl in Africa.
PATRICIA: Yeah. I love this story because we were in Africa. I was staying
at a mission home and a father brought his little girl in his arms, carrying
her, and she was I would say about four or five years of age. So she was
waiting. He carries her and she had never walked, he said she’s never walked.
And I looked at her legs and they were all twisted and she had never been able
to walk because she was born like that. And I’m going to be honest with you, I
struggle to have the faith to see them straight, but he was just so desperate
for his little girl.
But one thing I did know, I
knew that God could do it. I just wasn’t sure he could do it through me. And I
laid hands on her and I was just obedient to the word. It says, Lord, you say,
“Lay hands on the sick. They shall recover. You’re a miracle working God.
We need one now.” And she started to wiggle. Honestly, I didn’t think a
miracle was even taking place yet, but the father started showing delight in
his face. He put his little girl down and all of a sudden she’s walking
perfectly. It just felt so natural and there she was. She was running around
and walking and her father was weeping. Now to that family, no money value can
be put on that miracle. That was true riches in heaven.
SID: But you had the privilege of going to the treasury room in
heaven.
PATRICIA: Yeah. That wasn’t that long ago either. I was in a worship
service and the Lord took me into an encounter with him and I was at a doorway
that was open and I felt the invitation of the Lord to go in. The first thing,
it came in three levels of revelation. The first thing I saw, like the walls,
the floor, the ceiling was like see-through gold as far as you could see. Pure,
pure gold. You couldn’t see an end to it, but I knew it was wall, ceiling and
floor and I was amazed. I was standing there amazed in awe and then I saw it in
the middle of the room, a wooden chest. It was a rough wood that was saturated
with, I believe it was blood, because it was scarlet in color. And then these
coins that emanated light just filling it. And I knew in the spirit that I had
access to that and so I was in awe of that.
But, then Jesus was
revealed in the vision. He was standing just behind the chest, a little bit to
the side, and I looked at him and he was so radiant and so amazing that
everything else I saw paled in comparison, even though I was awestruck by every
phase of it, until Jesus came. And then I realized what God was showing me is
that Jesus himself is a treasure and you cannot compare anything to him. But
when you have him, you have it all.
FRANCIS: He said, “Listen, I want to make amends.” I want to make amends.
FRANCIS: And he said, “Here is what I’m going to do.” And he begins to spew out, what was in the divine restraining order.
FRANCIS: He says, “I promise you, whenever I come to take the children now, I will not bring this woman with me. She will remain behind, I’ve already told her, you don’t deserve to relive the affair. Number two, I am so sorry for the verbally abusive I’ve been towards you. I am, sorely. I’ll never do it again.” He says, “Number three, you’ve been trying to take the children out of state. You have my permission to take them out of state. Less than 48 hours.
SID: In the book you talk about a man, from Germany, leaves his wife, his daughter, goes to another country. Tell me about that restraining order.
FRANCIS: Yes, there’s, a woman, who hears about me, teaching. I was doing an online Bible study on, Issuing Divine Restraining Orders from the Courts of Heaven, and she happened to, logging into the core from Germany. As soon as she heard me teach on restraining orders, she began to cry. She realized this was the missing link. She had tried everything, Sid. Her husband had left, overnight, without even telling her. She came home to a note, that told her, “I’m done with the marriage.” And, he left her and the daughter and went to another European country, and then a couple months later, the proceeding for divorce, began to happen, within the German court systems. For a year she has not heard from him, she didn’t even know where he is.
But when she, went before, to the mass, I followed by the Holy spirit, to go before the court, by myself, using the little I had about who you taught me, and I asked my heavenly father, the righteous judge, for a restraining order against a spirit, that is behind my husband not wanting to be, the King and the prophet and the priest of our family. She said, “Within 24 hours, he has not called me in almost 12 months. He calls me and he’s crying on the other side of the phone.” He said, to the wife, “I’m so sorry. I abandoned you. If it’s okay with you, if you can still have me, I want to come back for you, because I really want to become the husband I should have been. I am so sorry.” She said, “Please come.” Right now, he’s in Germany, it’s like they’re having a honeymoon again. The man is, everything a husband should be.
SID: One of the, so helpful things, in your book beyond, someone has to read it, to get this revelation deep within them. The teaching. Because the teaching is revelation itself.
FRANCIS: That’s right.
SID: But, then you have, 18 prayers for 18 different things that people, may need restraining orders for. Tell me some of those prayers. What do they cover?
FRANCIS: Oh my God, we’ve got a prayer, for releasing divine restraining orders, against premature death. And, then we’ve got a prayer against, restraining witchcraft. We’ve got a prayer, for restraining the spirit of terrorism. We’ve got prayers for, restraining covenant, marriage breakers. This thing is loaded and what we have done, is, I wanted to make sure, Sid, that people’s journey to the court of heaven, is successful. That was important to me, because I know God does not bend, at the whim, of human emotion. God is God, and God always wants what he wants. You can’t manipulate God by emotion, but you can move Him by the word.
So we made sure that the prayers were, for lack of a better word, foolproof, that they are written in such a way that when you go to the court of heaven, it won’t be a journey in vain. When you come back, the restraining order will be issued. And that’s why people are getting these answers to prayer, just like that.
SID: I want to pray, that your start, would be to have every one of your sins, washed away. I want you to say this prayer. I want this to be a new beginning for you, but I want you to have your own encounter with God. I want you to open the door, with your own mouth, repeat this prayer, and mean it, to the best of your knowledge. Repeat this after me. Dear God.
Audience: Dear God.
SID: I’ve committed many sins.
Audience: I’ve committed many sins.
SID: And I’m so sorry.
Audience: And I’m so sorry.
SID: I believe.
Audience: I believe.
SID: The blood of Jesus.
Audience: The blood of Jesus.
SID: Washes them the way.
Audience: Washes them away.
SID: And God.
Audience: And God.
SID: You have no memory of them anymore.
Audience: You have no memory of them anymore.
SID: And I’m clean.
Audience: And I’m clean.
SID: And now that I’m clean.
Audience: And now that I’m clean.
SID: Make my body.
Audience: Make my body.
SID: The temple.
Audience: The temple.
SID: Of your Holy spirit.
Audience: Of your Holy spirit.
SID: Jesus, come inside of me.
Audience: Jesus, come inside of me.
SID: I call you Lord.
Audience: I call you Lord.
SID: Amen.
Audience: Amen.
SID: Unfortunately, there’s not enough time, for Pastor Francis to pray for you in the courts of heaven. So to see the last part of this show, go to, SidRoth.org/Myles, right now.
SID: Now what Becky loves to do, she knows how to do it the hard way. She doesn’t wish that on anyone.
BECKY: No, I don’t.
SID: Her heart’s desire is to train you. Tell me about the parents of the three year-old girl that you trained.
BECKY: Yes. I receive prayer requests all the time from people and I try to answer them the best I can. And there was a couple in the United States and the man’s name is Victor and they have a three year-old little girl. And the little girl was suffering for seven months already with epileptic seizures and they were just very bad seizures and no medication, nothing was working for her. And he cried out to in desperation and he asked me to pray for him. So I prayed for him. This is online. And I prayed for him and then I gave him direction. “Now I need you to renounce the spirit of death and release the spirit of life.” And part of what I taught him to do is what I teach people when it comes to epileptic seizures, which can be very deadly.
I told him in the name of Jesus, you go in with your words and prophesy over that brain and in Jesus’ name we supernaturally erase every pathway that those seizures are following. And we declare the word of the Lord and it may not re-dig anymore pathways for these seizures to follow, because in Jesus’ name that spirit of death, that premature death, that epileptic spirit is gone in her, in Jesus’ name. And so I told–
SID: I tell you what, just as you’re saying that I feel like something good is going on.
BECKY: Amen. Amen. The word never returns void. Amen. And so I told him, “Just start speaking this no matter what it looks like. I don’t care how many seizures she has in front of you. You just keep quoting it out loud.” And seven days later he wrote me and he said, “I have a testimony to share with you, and it happened right away, but I waited for a full week before I contacted you again. She has never had one more seizure. It’s gone.”
SID: You know.
BECKY: Amen.
SID: This woman has been taught, personally taught by God to teach others and I think it’s so wonderful. You’ve written the prayers out for different types of diseases. There are people watching I believe even in a hospital room and other places right at this moment, and they’re battling the same thing you’re talking about, a spirit of death, would you look at them and give them advice? Be their coach right now.
BECKY: Right now in Jesus’ name, I say, never give up no matter how bad that situation looks, no matter how bad the medical report is, you never give up. You have to learn how to choose to live, choose to fight and choose to win. And so you lay your hand on yourself right now and you renounce spirit of death. You renounced that sickness and you’ll command it out of your body in the name of Jesus, and then you release the spirit of life and the healing power of the Holy Spirit to flow into your body. But first of all, you cannot give up. You have to choose to live and you have to choose to fight.
SID: I have been reading the reports of people that sit under your teaching. Let me ask you this, you’re driving, I guess, towards Guatemala and there was a crazy man driving a truck. Tell me about that story.
BECKY: Yes. This happened many years ago in our early years of living in Guatemala and we were driving through Mexico on our way to Guatemala. And we were on this trucker’s route. It’s by the Gulf of Mexico and they’re really crazy drivers at that point, anyway, it’s all hill country. And it was clear for me to make this pass. And so I’m going along and all of a sudden this man in this semi-truck looks down and I think because he saw I was a woman driving this car and at that time it wasn’t very common there. And he saw me and he started to laugh at me. He stepped on the pedal. So he went faster and faster and I’m telling you-
SID: And you’re trying to.
BECKY: I’m trying to pass.
SID: And he’s going faster than you.
BECKY: Up in the distance I see over on top of the other hill another semi-truck coming over the hill. And the guy can see it coming and he’s laughing away at me and I’m going as fast as I can and there’s nothing I can do. In the natural, there’s no way of escape. This man, I just have to say, just had the spirit of death over him and just this murderous type of spirit came over him and this semi coming over the hill, it’s coming down and that semi is picking up speed. And I didn’t know anything that I know today. I just knew I had a God that loved me and cared for me. And this was not of God, this was purely of Satan. That’s all I knew at that point in life.
And this semi is coming and it’s coming and it’s sounding its horn and all I know, Sid, is I saw the brightest, widest glorious light and it was just a big flash of light. And the next thing I knew, we were far ahead of this man as if nothing had ever happened and there was no explanation for it other than what I read in the Bible about being translated.
SID: What actually happens, do you know what actually happens when you die? Becky died and she’s going to explain what happens. Be right back.
SID: Robin, is there a hope for
the United States of America?
ROBIN: I have absolutely no
doubt, as I sit here, that God has to pour out his spirit in our nation in an
unprecedented way. And here’s why I believe that, first of all, the gospel
tells us that the harvest is the end of the age. There’s a harvest yet to come.
The Bible also tells us in Romans chapter 11 all Israel shall be saved. That
indicates another massive evangelism among the Jews. The Bible also tells us in
Amos that we will have an unprecedented harvest to gathering all the Gentiles
who are called by God’s name in a time where there’s an outpouring of the
intoxicating power of the spirit and it must happen in the season where the
Jewish people were brought back to their homeland, never to be displaced again.
I believe in a harvest for the United States and an
outpouring in the United States because of a number of prophetic revelations
I’ve had. And because of the very nature of God, when there’s gross darkness,
he will bring bright light. And I will say this too, during the Jesus movement,
our nation was turned upside down. And if you look at society, if you look at
the social conditions today, they are identical now, as to that era where God
moved mightily in our nation, he is going to move again.
SID: You know, like most
revelations, they are so profound, yet they’re very simple.
ROBIN: Yeah.
SID: And actually, in studying
your materials and hearing you speak I don’t know why we don’t understand it,
but we don’t.
ROBIN: Yeah.
SID: Tell me about the wagon of
hope.
ROBIN: Well, there’s a Bible
translation called the Wuest Translation.
SID: One of my favorites.
ROBIN: And Romans chapter eight begins
this way, “for we are saved in the sphere of hope.”
SID: Hmm.
ROBIN: Sid the truth is, the hope
of God and God Romans 15:13, “now may the God of hope fill you with all
joy and peace and believing that you may abound in hope by the power of the
Holy spirit.” There is no one, if you said, tell me what verse do you know
about hope, they’d say hope deferred makes the heart sick. I think that’s
ridiculous. No one can defer your hope but you. The devil can’t, circumstance
can’t. You have in your power to maintain hope but because you were born again
into a sphere of hope and Christ, the hope of glory lives inside us.
SID: All right, but wait a
second, there are people where the rubber meets the road, so to speak, that are
watching us right now, listening to us, viewing us right now and they say, but
you don’t know about my kid who is in prison for drugs.
ROBIN: Right, right.
SID: You don’t about my wife
who’s having an affair with one of my best friends.
ROBIN: Right.
SID: Or you don’t know about
the diagnosis I just got.
ROBIN: For those of you who have
suffered, your children a mess, maybe your marriage is in trouble. Maybe things
are going on in your community and you have no answer for. Let me say this to
you. The Lord says, is there anything too hard for me? I release to you
authority to speak into every one of those situations and a grace to believe
that the God of the whole earth will come to your aid and answer your question.
He loves you. He knows what’s going on. He’s looking for people that will
cooperate with him to release that power, to change those situations.
Here’s the thing Sid, we all have challenges. For
instance, even the great prophet, Jeremiah, suffered with hopelessness.
SID: You were telling me in the
dressing room before the show.
ROBIN: Yes.
SID: Just a few lines from the
book of Jeremiah, and they just literally, I believe that as you teach just a
few minutes on that it’s going to inject supernatural hope into people.
ROBIN: Well the first thing we
need to realize that hope[lessness] is a consequence and not a cause. It’s a
delusion it’s the consequence of an inaccurate belief system. And so, in
Jeremiah 15, Jeremiah makes an accusation against the Lord. He says, “are
you like waters that fail, that streams that cease? Are you unfaithful?”
And here’s what the Lord says, and you find it the clearest in the amplified
translation. Therefore, thus says the Lord to Jeremiah, “if you return and
give up this mistaken tone of distrust and despair, then I will give you again,
a settled place of safety and quiet and you will be my minister. And if you
separate the precious from the vile, cleansing your own heart from unworthy,
unwarranted suspicions concerning my faithfulness, you shall be my
mouthpiece.” Now listen Sid–
SID: Isn’t that strong?
ROBIN: There are pastors all over
the world, who have ceased to have the authority as one of God’s ministers and
one of God’s mouthpieces because, they have yielded to a mistaken tone of
distrust and despair. You know what God’s remedy for it was?
SID: What?
ROBIN: Give it up.
SID: That’s simple.
ROBIN: Give it up, disagree with
it. Then he said, I will make you my mouthpiece. God does not want hopeless
people speaking for him, Sid. He says, if you will cleanse your own heart from
unworthy, unwarranted suspicions concerning my faithfulness, you will be my
mouthpiece.
SID: And by the way, that’s not
just for pastors.
ROBIN: That’s for everybody.
SID: That’s for you, that’s for
me, that’s for everyone. I mean, when you come to your senses and realize what
Robin just taught. It’s a deception. And if Jeremiah, the great Jewish prophet
could be deceived, no wonder, cut it out.
ROBIN: That’s right, I heard
that, I got it, yeah. And if he read the rest of the bucket book of Jeremiah,
he made the turn. He made the turn.
SID: When you’re going to make
the turn, as a matter of fact, I want you to make a turn right now. I want you
to make sure that you don’t have to have the Jesus of religion.
ROBIN: Come on.
SID: That you have the Jesus of
your own personal, intimate relationship with the God of love.
ROBIN: Yes!
SID: Pure Love.
ROBIN: Yes.
SID: Not human love, not a love
that is fickle, but someone that is pure, unadulterated love. Say this prayer
out loud. I want it to be a new beginning for you, that you would make a mega
jump in knowing God. Say this out loud, Dear God, I’m a sinner, against you and
you alone have I sinned, and I’m so sorry. I believe the blood of Jesus washes
away my sins and according to your word, I’m clean. It feels so good to be
clean and now that I’m clean, Jesus come and live inside of me.
ROBIN: Yes, yes Lord.
SID: I make you my Lord. I want
an experience with you. Amen. Robyn, I want you to pray for are an injection of
supernatural hope, and I say—your hopelessness is a delusion.
ROBIN: Yes.
SID: Cut it out.
ROBIN: Go ahead, pray that.
SID: Give it up! We release the
faith and the power, in the name of Jesus, to give up despair, to give up
delusion and to give up hopelessness and call it what it is. It’s a lie, it’s
not the heart of God. The mercy of God is present now to impart into you, to
give you an infusion of faith, to give you an infusion of hope that will
transform not just you but your family. It has the capacity to change your
region, your neighborhood, even your nation, because the power of God is not
hindered because Jesus is alive. He rose from the dead and he reigns forever.
Amen and amen.
BOB: Welcome back
to Something More. I’m your host, Bob
Duvall, here with Stephanie Schureman. And before we took the break, Stephanie,
we were talking about how busy you were. I’m sure you still are.
STEPHANIE:
[Laughs]
BOB: But you were
raising six kids, and you didn’t feel like you even had the ability to spend
the time to hear Jesus.
STEPHANIE:
Correct.
BOB: I’m sure
that had to be extremely frustrating.
STEPHANIE: Yeah.
BOB: So, what
happened that you got your breakthrough?
STEPHANIE: Well,
as you know, when you’re a mother or any kind of a parent, the next thing is an
emergency. So, the diaper needs to be changed. The next meal needs to be fixed.
BOB: Right. Right.
STEPHANIE: Just
everything. There just doesn’t seem to be a minute of the day many times that
goes by where you have time to, actually, do anything, let alone think or pray.
And so, one day I was feeling this way. I was completely frustrated. I was beyond
– What I wanted to do was get everything done, and then spend time with the
Lord.
BOB: Right.
STEPHANIE: That
never happened. I did it over and over and over, and it never happened. It was
never a possibility. So, this particular day I went down to my laundry room,
and I saw the piles of laundry, and I –
BOB: [Laughs]
STEPHANIE: And I
just laid my head over onto my big, huge pile of laundry. And I just began to
weep. And I said, “Lord, I will never have time. There’s just not enough
time to ever spend with you. How am I ever going to do that?” And it was
almost like as I breathed in the Lord said, “I want to do it with
You.”
BOB: Mmm.
STEPHANIE: And it
just broke. Everything broke right there. I began to weep. I said, “Lord,
I want to do this with You, too.” [laughs]
BOB: Yeah.
STEPHANIE: And so
from that moment on, everything I did, it didn’t matter if I was changing
diapers, cleaning the floor, the most
mundane tasks became extremely important. Because I was doing those things with
the Lord.
BOB: Mm.
STEPHANIE: And
that’s how many times we think of ministry as being in front of a lot of
people. But, no. Ministry is right in your home doing the most mundane tasks.
If you’re taking care of an elderly person, if you’re taking care of a baby, it
doesn’t matter. Whatever you’re doing it is as unto the Lord.
BOB: Mm.
STEPHANIE: And
the Lord is pleased when we take those on as our daily tasks. That’s what He’s
put our hands to, so why not do it in the glory of the Lord. And worshipping
while we’re doing it.
BOB: Absolutely.
STEPHANIE: Just
talking to Him.
BOB: Makes sense
to me. Yeah. Now, what if somebody, and here, so far, they’re convinced,
“Yeah. I need to hear Jesus.”
STEPHANIE: Yeah.
BOB: “And I
want to hear Jesus. You know, it says in the Bible that God’s thoughts are
higher than our thoughts,
STEPHANIE: That’s
right.
BOB: And His ways
are higher than our ways,
STEPHANIE: Uh-huh.
BOB: And how am I
ever going to understand, even if He is talking to me?” [laughs]
STEPHANIE:
[Laughs] That’s right. I have made it my life goal to read through my Bible
every year. This year I’m on my, I’ve just finished fortieth time.
BOB: Mm.
STEPHANIE: And I’m not that, I read through two or three times on some of those years, because I finally upped it to where I could get through more than one time a year. (laughs)
BOB: That’s
really a key. I mean, if we really want to hear what He’s saying, the entire
Bible is what He’s saying. But, yeah. Go ahead.
STEPHANIE: Right.
Exactly. And I learned that as I would read through the Word of God something
would come up during my day, and it would trigger back to where I, actually,
was in the Scripture at that time. The Word of God is so relevant. It is way
more relevant than today’s newspaper. And so the, obviously, [laughs] even it’s
more relevant than what’s on the internet. Let’s put it that way.
BOB: Yes.
STEPHANIE: That
way it makes it more relevant. [laughs] But the Word of God is more relevant
even tomorrow than it is today. It is perfect for our lives. It’s our
lifeblood. And we need the transfer of information that comes from heaven that
is in the Word of God. It is relevant. It is real. It is powerful. It is life
changing. The Lord has set me free and healed me from just reading the Word.
BOB: Wow. Now,
Jesus speaks to different people in different ways.
STEPHANIE: Yes.
BOB: He has kind
of a different language maybe,
STEPHANIE: Yes.
BOB: For
different people.
STEPHANIE:
Absolutely.
BOB: So, how do
you figure out what unique way He’s speaking to you?
STEPHANIE: Well,
you know, I can hear the voice of God. And I know I can see pictures when I
close my eyes. The Lord speaks to me that way. And because we’ve practiced
hearing from Jesus we know that’s how He’s talking. But there’s a lot of people
that say, “Well, Stephanie, I can’t hear Jesus at all.” Especially when
we’re training children in the prophetic. There are some of them that can’t see
a picture in their mind.
BOB: Uh-huh.
STEPHANIE: But
they can actually get a picture and draw it on paper.
BOB: Hm.
STEPHANIE: And
so, we actually had an experience this last year where we had a child that we
knew was hearing from the Lord. We knew he was picking up things. And he was
not able to say it with his mouth. And so we got out the paper one day, and got
the crayons out,
BOB: [Laughs]
STEPHANIE: – and
said, “Okay. Just do a simple picture of whatever.” And, of course,
we did this with everyone. We actually had two children that were not able to
hear from the Lord. They could draw. And they had the most accurate –
BOB: Hm.
STEPHANIE:
Prophetic pictures that we had seen. And we were shocked and just blessed.
BOB: Yeah. Yeah.
STEPHANIE: At how
the Lord was speaking. So there are many ways that the Lord can speak. Art.
Music. He speaks, you may wake up in the morning hearing a song and just know
that that’s from heaven. And it may even be a secular song. The Lord spoke to
me one time about [laughs] “How sweet it is to be loved by you,” that
wonderful old song.
BOB: Right. Yeah.
Yeah. [Laughs]
STEPHANIE: And my
heart just wept when I, when He was–
BOB: Yeah.
STEPHANIE: I knew
He was singing that song straight to me,
BOB: Wow. Wow.
STEPHANIE: And I
was like, “Oh, how sweet it is to be loved by you.”
BOB: Wow. (laughs)
STEPHANIE: So
what a precious way. The Lord speaks to us in gentle, precious, sweet ways,
and,
BOB: Okay,
Stephanie, so, I understand I need to hear God’s voice.
STEPHANIE: Yes.
BOB: I need to
hear Jesus. I’m with you.
STEPHANIE:
[Laughs]
BOB: And I’ve
discovered how He speaks to me, and I’m hearing things from Him. But sometimes
I don’t understand what He’s saying.
STEPHANIE:
[Laughs]
BOB: I don’t get
it. What do I do?
STEPHANIE: Go
back to the Word of God. The Word of God will teach you His thoughts. His ways
are higher than our ways. His understanding is way higher than ours. Now Jesus
spoke in parables in the Word, and so many times if you have a picture of
something that keeps repeating, like we said, numbers – But there may be a
picture. Maybe fish come up, or something. You keep seeing fish over and over.
What’s the Lord talking about? Well, go back to the Word of God and say,
“Lord, I’m going to look, I’m going to search for fish. And I see You’re
doing this. And it could have something to do with multiplication. It could
have something to do with – Fish can also represent lost souls that are coming
into Jesus. Could be even praying for other believers, because we know, even
the Christian symbol is a fish.
BOB: Uh-huh.
STEPHANIE: So it
could be praying for other believers, and missionaries, or whatever. Maybe the
Lord’s calling you to something. So begin to tie whatever picture that the Lord
is showing you over and over to something out of the Word of God, or even a
story. Go in and search, even do a word search through the Word of God. And the
Lord will show you. You will know.
BOB: Okay. We
need to take one more quick break. And when we come back, one of the things
that Stephanie says you can do if you’re not sure what God is saying is you may
just have to wait. Wait on Him. And she had an experience where she had a
dream, [music] and she didn’t know for five years what it meant.
STEPHANIE:
[Laughs]
BOB: But God
showed her. So come right back after this.
KEVIN: And being a
Christian on this Earth is more than just trying to act right, and good
behavior. There has to be a permanent change, and it has to be a change that is
transferrable to other people. So we have to be something different, that’s not
of this realm. That coal that touched Isaiah’s lips was not from this realm.
Jesus told me, He said, “From now on, you give out to people something
from this realm up where I live, and you give it to people down here on this
Earth.”
SID: Can you do
that?
KEVIN: I can do that
through prayer, I can do that by speaking.
SID: Can you do that
right now, for those viewers
KEVIN: I sure can.
SID: that are
watching?
KEVIN: Yes.
SID: Right this
moment.
KEVIN: Yes. Father, in
the name of Jesus, I just thank You that You are extending Your fire, from Your
throne. Lord, I just ask that You would baptize; baptize in “the Holy
Spirit and with fire.” I thank You, Father, in the name of Jesus, that
there is a move of God coming upon this Earth, that is not from this realm; it
originates from the holy altar of God. Father, I thank You for introducing into
this realm, and into the viewers right now Your holy coals, from Your altar.
And I ask, Lord God, that it would alter their life, and change their life;
that they would become on fire, and “flames of fire”, and the chaff
would be burned up. Father, I thank You that You’re showing people what they
need to let go, right now. And the Lord says, to all of you watching, “Yield
to the fire.” The Lord says, “I am in the fire. Yield to the
fire.” Be made whole, in the name of Jesus. Thank You Father.
SID: Mm.
KEVIN: Mm!
SID: I had a word of
knowledge, while Kevin was speaking. Anything you need in the throat area, you
are healed.
KEVIN: [breathes
heavily]
SID: whether there’s
tumors, whether you have difficulty swallowing, whether you even have,
digestive problems; anything you need, and anything you need, believe God for
right now! And I play pray the holy fire burn out everything that is not of God
every pain, every sickness, every disease.
KEVIN: Father, in the
name of Jesus, I ask that Your holy fire would start to burn, and push out
every infirmity from the bodies of Your people. I break the curse, and I speak
fire. The fire is now going through your body; it’s going into your mind; it’s
correcting. Right now, there are there are brain issues; there are thought
issues; they are being cleansed right now. There are I see I see nodules; I see
tumors that are being burnt and scorched right now in the name of Jesus. I even
see a back straightening up. I see that you have slipped discs down in in your
waist, but in the back, in the small of your back, the Lord is they’re going to
if you’re feeling heat right now, that’s being healed in the name of Jesus.
demons are leaving because they cannot tolerate the holy fire. Demons are
leaving right now; you’re feeling free, because the spiritual forces of evil
have been working against you. The Angels of the Lord are coming forth right
now to correct issues in your life. I’m seeing I’m seeing a woman who has given
up; I’m telling you, by the spirit of God, don’t give up. The Lord has not
given up on you; He has a plan and a purpose for you. I see you on the floor,
kneeling and crying; you’re going to be okay. The Lord is coming to You.
There’s many people right now; there’s many people with pain in their elbows
and their shoulders and their back; it’s being healed right now, in the name of
Jesus.
SID: Now, Kevin,
what is true holiness?
KEVIN: Sid, I found
that true holiness is not essentially just good behavior; true holiness has to
do with relationship. Now, the Lord showed me that there was a positional for
everything that God had done for us through Jesus Christ. So position ally, I
am holy; position ally I am righteous.
SID: Now, one of the things
that I appreciate is something you said to me. You say, “Sid, people don’t
come to my church for miracles, people come to my church because of the
presence of God.”
WILLIAM: We’ve adapted a mentality
that he’s not in our presence, we’re in his. And that changes your disposition
and your posture because we’re not done until he is.
SID: Hey, it reminds me of a
song on your new CD we’re making available. Stay,
tell me about that song.
WILLIAM: This song is so deeply
personal to me and to our church. I feel like it’s our story wrapped in that
song.
SID: Did you write it?
WILLIAM: I did. And so for us, it’s
a disposition that we have to say we were asking him to stay. And so really the
song encapsulates both what we’ve experienced just by sitting in his presence
and been the cry of our heart is that we don’t ever want it to end, we just
want him to stay.
SID: Now, let’s go to the
worship service and the very moment that Stay
was recorded.
