JENNIFER: I take authority over those demons and I command them to leave you in the name of Jesus Christ! And I just decree your liberty! I decree your freedom! Whom the Son sets free is free indeed! This is your day of liberation! This is your day of freedom! This is a new day for you and God is doing a new thing! Now I want you to get it on the inside of you that this is a done thing! This is a done deal! And don’t ever let those spirits push you around! They’ve been bullying you. They’ve been intimidating you. Now you intimidate them with the blood of Jesus! You intimidate them with the word of God and don’t let them manifest anymore in your zone! And let me tell you what’s going to happen. As you see this thing through God’s going to give you a ministry and you’re going to authorize freedom in the lives of others! It always works that way because Revelations 2:26 says those who overcome they will rule! In other words you will manifest what you have just stepped into rulership over! And that’s right now your own world, your own life in this regard! And so I’m going to leave that with you and I know that God is doing a work of freedom in your life!

ROY: That’s powerful!

JENNIFER: Amen! Amen!

ROY: And there’s so many of you that need this right now! You know I think – again I think of my mother.

JENNIFER: Yeah.

ROY: A single parent. Sitting at home with you know a little boy and she’s all by herself and she goes to bed at night after her job and she’s laying there in the bedroom and she feels alone. She feels like God’s not there. 

JENNIFER: Uh-huh.

ROY: But He’s always there!

JENNIFER: He’s always there! He said I’ll never leave you. I’ll never forsake you!

ROY: That’s awesome!

JENNIFER: And even if we don’t have the feeling we can trust the word! And then He also said that you draw near to Him, He draws near to you! It’s automatic! And so His presence is definitely there!

ROY: So it’s really been a journey for you!

JENNIFER: Quite a journey! And you know it actually causes you to live your life within certain parameters. Honestly I don’t have the liberty that other Christians do [laughing] to just you know – they can do things and go out and go here and there and they don’t pray as much. Because of what I’m called to do I have a very disciplined life. The Apostle Paul said I buffet my body.

ROY: Yeah. It sounds like you’re carrying the burden for this.

JENNIFER: Yeah. He says I gotta run my race to win.

ROY: Yeah, that’s right.

KAREN: And I was able to just run with that! So what we’ve done is, my husband and I, we actually do teachings and training people on how to write a book. And they can go and check out those teachings and everything because we believe that everyone has a story!

LAURA: Oh yeah!

KAREN: Everyone has something in their life that God has walked them through. Everyone’s got – we all have stories but the problem is that so many times our stories become our crutch in life to keep us and bind us. But eventually, somewhere along the line, your story has got to become your testimony! And the way it becomes your testimony is by walking forward! Writing it out so that other people sharing your story can help other people avoid the same pitfalls, avoid the same things that you’ve walked through! And so we believe that everyone should have an opportunity to get their story out. And so we love sharing with people how to do that!

LAURA: That is so beautiful!

KAREN: Yes.

LAURA: I’m a writer too.

KAREN: Yes.

LAURA: I’m an author.

KAREN: Yes.

LAURA: One of my greatest joys is teaching other people that they can do that same thing!

KAREN: Yes! Yes!

LAURA: And you’re right! Everyone has a story!

KAREN: Uh-huh!

LAURA: And earlier when you were talking to, you know, people who, maybe their story, this show goes into parts of the world where there are women who feel hidden! Who feel unappreciated. They are undervalued! They are told – they’re taught to be fearful, to be lacking in confidence. And so I really hope that even though what you’ve shared, the combination of those, that they have a story.

KAREN: Yes.

LAURA: And that they have a purpose!

KAREN: Uh-huh.

LAURA: That those two things put together will bring them up and out to a place where they realize God loves them!

KAREN: Yes!

LAURA: He loves THEM! Not just the people around them but He has a story and a purpose just for them! Okay! So I know you’re also a mom!

KAREN: Yes!

LAURA: And we may talk about that in just a moment. But I am very curious. You’ve overcome something recently. You had neck surgery.

KAREN: I did, yeah.

LAURA: And so you’ve had, you had surgery!

KAREN: Yes.

LAURA: It’s like 3 weeks ago!

KAREN: Yes. [laughs]

LAURA: And your doctor told you he didn’t even want you to come here!

KAREN: That’s true. Yes.

LAURA: But you came here because you know you wanted to share this message. So you look great!

KAREN: Thank you.

LAURA: But you know just even describe to me when you were walking through that process. You believe that God is a healer but I love something you said to me during the break. Because we know that God can work in different ways. Tell me about that process and how the Lord was with you in that even during the surgery. 

KAREN: Yes. Because we do believe in healing! I am a firm believer that God can heal instantaneously.

LAURA: Sure!

KAREN: That He can say “You are healed” and you are healed! And I’ve experienced that healing before. I’ve experienced it with I had cancer on my neck and God healed me instantly in a moment! But I believe also that God heals in different ways. Because we believed for the healing for my neck, for the disc that was messed up in my neck. And God didn’t choose to heal me that way this time. But during the process of having surgery, during the process of having to walk in faith.

LAURA: Yeah.

BILL: You know, after 59 years of marriage, you know, my wife and I we love each other, we just don’t feel the same way we did as teenagers. But, you walk by faith, you got saved by faith, you got filled with faith, you move these gifts by faith. Now, 1 Corinthians 12:7 says the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every saint. That means all 9 gifts of the Holy Spirit are sent to your Holy Ghost bodies. And you take them to work, take them home, take them to school, take them to bed and never take them out to bless anybody. Amen. That’s the reason Paul told Timothy, Timothy, you stir up the gift of God, 2 Timothy 1:7 Timothy, you stir up the gift of God for God’s not given us a spirit of fear, but of love, power, and a sound mind. You quote that scripture but it’s related to stirring up your gifts. They’re in you. You don’t have to pray them down or work them up, let them flow. Now I’m going to show you how to release them, amen. And so, then it says, then it talks about the 9 gifts of the Spirit which is the verbal gifts, tongues and interpretation, prophecy, and the revelation gifts, word of knowledge, word of wisdom, discernment, and the power gifts, faith, healing, and miracles. Now, according to God’s illustration in Matthew there is 1, 2 and 5 every one of you has 1, 2 or 5, 3 or 4, 6 or 8. You see I might have 6, but if I only use 3, then I am in worse shape than you are if you have 1 and use it. Are you with me? So you need to know what you got and so we have activations, we have over 50 activations, it’s like Geiger counters that help determine where there is oil or gold or what, we have activations that determine what gifts you have within you. I could take this group right here, have you 3 days and have you all prophesying. Or you could go sit in church for the rest of your life and never activate. Come on. And so, it’s time to activate. Amen. And I’m going to activate you today.

Audience: [Applause]

BILL: Now, when I was in Pentecost, we would quote 1 Corinthians 12:11 and it says now all these works are one of the same spirit divided to every man separately as he will. Now, we would say it’s the Holy Spirit who operates the gifts. How many has ever heard that? But that’s not what it says. I’m just giving you the tops of the mountain as we skip across. Gifts are sovereignly given by the choice and will of the Holy Spirit, but they’re activated and operated by the faith of the believer. How many believers we got here? God’s sovereignty gives you the gift of eternal life, but you have to believe and receive, which is activating. Amen. He gives you your spirit language, but you have to speak. They spoke as the Spirit gave them the ability, but you do the talking. Some people want to cut their head off and talk out of here. Now what scripture we use a lot is Hebrews 5, he says milk belongs to babes but strong meat for grownups. And he says those who are reason of use have their senses exercised to discern what is good and evil. Good, the mind of the Lord, revelation, thoughts of Christ, evil, man’s thoughts, imagination.

KYLE: Well, there are people who are watching who relate to your story. Who relate to the trials and the tragedies and all that you went through and so much more in different ways. Would you pray for those people in the five minutes that we have left?

CLARICE: Oh, I would be so honored to have the opportunity particularly for those that are bound by drugs, alcohol and wrong relationships. And then we know our cities, our states, our nation, all over the world, people are under the influence of the occult practice of drug addiction. And we think, “Oh my goodness, once a person gets there, they can’t get out,” but I am telling you, the Word of God has the power to perform itself. Now I’ve went through a lot of tragic situations, as a mother, and just saying, “How can this thing be? She was not reared in this atmosphere. We don’t do these things. This is not what we believe”. And here we were, pastors of a church and teaching people everything, and our own child having this terrible affliction. And you know the shame that tries to come and get upon us and the condemnation is one thing, but God has not given you condemnation. The Holy Spirit will bring conviction to show you, don’t do this or don’t to that, but there is a power. The scripture says that the spiritual man judges all things. Then He says judge not lest ye be judged. So I had to investigate that word. One says don’t judge and the other says you do judge. But that word is anakrino, which means you judge it up, as a king, as a priest, as a prophet. You begin to agree with God and you decree and agree with the Word of God. Regardless of what your circumstances or your facts look like, you have to speak the truth which is the Word of God. That’s what He watches over to perform. So those of you who are watching that are afflicted with this terrible demonic force of drug addiction, whether you’re a Christian, whether you’re not a Christian, I’m telling you there is a power in the infallible, inerrant, awesome Word of God. Create with the fruit of your lips. And so I’m here to agree with God. I’m going to judge you up; I’m not going to judge you down. The spiritual man creates with God by calling the things that are not to become the things that are. My precious daughter went through all kinds of terrible, terrible things, awful decisions, but because of the Word of God that was spoken over her—I remember one time she called, it was her birthday, she was eighteen. And everybody had told me she was dead. You know, they didn’t even have hope for her to come through, but the reality, she called me on her birthday and I said, “Sweetheart, let me tell you something,” and I said, “God has destined you for great things.” And she says, “Mom, you don’t know what I’ve done!” And I said, “I really don’t care what you’ve done.

ALISS: But we have something even better! Because Jesus went to the cross and He died and He rose again and He paid the price for all of our sin, all of our sickness, all of our pain, all of our infirmities. Death itself even He took it and He rose again! So what that means for you and for I is that we don’t have to go to a place like the Pool of Bethesda! We don’t have to go and find Aliss Cresswell to get her to pray for me. But you can actually receive the glorious presence of Jesus the healer right where you are and His angels, His healing angels that are around here and they will minister healing to us! So let’s just reach out and receive that right now! If you want to put your hands up and receive from Jesus. Sometimes Jesus will manifest Himself through angels. So it might be through His Holy Spirit. Sometimes His angels that will bring you your healing! Sometimes I see angels like bright lights flashing. Anybody see that right now? You might feel like a wind go past you, just a breeze because angels on the winds. Thank You, Father! Messengers sent from heaven! You might feel an angel just touch you. You might feel something. Who’s feeling something in an area of their body that needs healing? Who’s feeling something right now tingling or heat or something? Just raise your hand if you’re feeling something happening. So many of you are feeling stuff happening. Receive it! This is from Jesus! Receive that touch from Jesus wherever you are! Receive it right now! There’s just this kind of quiet peace is what I’m – are you sensing that? Breezy? You’re feeling a breeze, are you? Wow! Really? Is that the air conditioning or you think that’s an angel?

AUDIENCE: Both!

ALISS: [Laughs] Yeah! Definitely angels! Thank You, Jesus! Thank You, Jesus! Wow! Yeah, some of you there’s a lot of like fear and anxiety been going on and some of you are getting the Prince of peace! It’s coming right now. Who needs that? Raise your hand if you have like anxiety, fear of anything going on. So why don’t we just say together, “Prince of peace.”

AUDIENCE: Prince of peace.

ALISS: I invite You.

AUDIENCE: I invite You.

ALISS: To walk into my body.

AUDIENCE: To walk into my body.

ALISS: To walk into my mind.

AUDIENCE:  To walk into my mind.

ALISS: And walk into my emotions.

AUDIENCE: And walk into my emotions.

ALISS: Wow! Thank You, Jesus! This thing is just leaving. Just let him go. Just jog on as my daughter says. Tell him to jog on! [Laughs] Off they go! Yeah, some of you are getting some real freedom! From fear and anxieties. Jesus said, “Do not worry!” So don’t! You don’t have to! Just don’t do it! Sometimes you know the enemy will come. Evil spirits. Spirits of fear. A spirit of anxiety. Spirits of anxiety will come and you know they’ll only have – you know this. An evil spirit can only have power in your life if you come into agreement with it! Whether you know Jesus or not if you come into agreement with an evil spirit it will give it power in your life! It’s really important to break that agreement! So if you have some kind of trauma or accident or something happened to you that was not your fault but even so you’ve got a little bit of fear or a bit of trauma you’ve taken aboard. Then an evil spirit can come along and if you agree with it in any way maybe even by speaking out.

EDDIE:  I want to clap a little louder than before! I want to sing a little louder than before! Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh. I want to jump higher than before! Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh. Somebody shout louder than before! Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh! (SHOUTING) Will you say freedom! Freedom. Freedom. Oh-oh. Freedom. C’mon! Freedom. Everybody say freedom! Freedom. Freedom. Aren’t you glad to be free! Freedom. Freedom. Freedom. I want to clap a little louder than before! I want to sing a little louder than before! Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh! And I want to spin wilder than before! Somebody jump shout! Jump shout! Jump shout! C’mon everybody say free! Freedom! Hallelujah! Freedom. Oh we thank you for freedom. Freedom. Where the spirit of the Lord is. Freedom. There is freedom! Freedom. Freedom. Freedom. Hallelujah. Freedom. Freedom. Freedom. I want to lift my hands higher than before. Whooo! I’ve got to love you more than before. I want to worship deeper than before. I want to shout louder than before! C’mon and say free! Freedom! Freedom! Freedom! Freedom! Freedom! Thank you Jesus! Freedom! Freedom yeah. Freedom. Oh yeah! Freedom! Freedom! Freedom. Freedom. No more shackles! No more chains! No more bondage! I am FREEEEE yeah! C’mon lift those up hands high as you can everybody and shake those chains off! No more shackles, no more chains, no more bondage I am free— freeeee yeah! I want you to believe tonight that this is your night of freedom! Lift those hands and say no—  no more shackles, no more chains, no more bondage I am free— freeeee yeah! Come on and dance the dance of freedom and say Hallelujah! Hallelujah. Hallelujah!  Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! C’mon celebrate! Hallelujah! Lift him up! Hallelujah! Give him glory! Hallelujah! Give Him praise! Hallelujah. Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelu! Hallelujah! Hallelu! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Will somebody break out into praise! Somebody celebrate the God of your salvation! The God of your FREEDOM!   

AUDIENCE:    (SHOUTING) 

EDDIE:  Yeah, yeah, yeah! No more shackles, no more chains, no more bondage, I am FREEE! Free yes! Come and lift those hands up. Shake those chains off! No more shackles, no more chains, no more bondage! I am freeeee, yeah! Oh you serve a good God today! Shake those chains off and no— No more shackles, c’mon, no more chains, those chains of religion, no more bondage, those chains of bondage, I am freeee! Those chains of depression, yeah, they’re coming off of you tonight. Come on dance the dance of freedom and say Hallelu! Hallelujah. Hallelu! Hallelujah! Hallelu! Hallelujah! Hallelu! Hallelujah! Somebody celebrate! Hallelujah! Lift him up! Hallelujah! Give him glory! Hallelujah! Give Him praise! Hallelujah! Hallelu! Hallelu! Hallelu! Hallelu! Hallelu! Hallelu! Hallelu! Hallelu! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelu! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Somebody dance! Somebody shout! Somebody worship!………………………….. Somebody lift up a shout to Jesus! 

AUDIENCE:  (SHOUTING)  Whooo! 

EDDIE:  Hey, yeah—— We lift up the name of Jesus! We lift up the name of Jesus! We lift up the name of Jesus! Thank you Lord! FREEDOM! 

AUDIENCE:  Whooo! Whooo! Yay! Yeah! Amen! Whooo! Hallelujah! Yes! (MUCH CLAPPING AND SHOUTING) 

SID: I’ve never had this happen before. A messianic Jewish rabbi, Rabbi Halpern. I’ll tell you, Felix, I’ve never had anyone call me up and say, “Sid, I have an angel here right now.” That wasn’t a norm before that medical mistake occurred. Tell me about that.

FELIX: By no means. To be able to go through the process of dying from a medical mistake, consuming seven and a half months of medication in 29 days.

SID: That’s quite a mistake.

FELIX: Thrust my body for one month into a toxic state, which doctors called an inner storm. And the final week things began to accelerate where my body was on fire, my chest was in pain, my back, every muscle was hurting and all had typical signs of a heart attack. But for some reason, I kept thinking that it would go away. Until one night was the worst night of the whole process where I couldn’t take any more pain.

At 3:00 AM I go down to the living room and my heart stopped. It had too much. And in an instant, in an instant, actually in the twinkling of an eye, which is only a third of a second, like that my soul stepped out of my body. It began to rise in the spiritual realm. And at one point I could see my body on the couch, lifeless.

An angel came as I’m lying horizontally in the spiritual realm, and he’s moving his hand on me. I could see his body, powerful with authority and in the right side of my vision, where I was lying down in the spiritual realm, again I stress, was a white light. A distant light through a tunnel, like a tube if you will, or a tunnel.

SID: In this process, were you fearful at all?

FELIX: When death took place, all the night’s pain, all the month’s, was gone, but there was an incredible peace and joy. And there was absolutely no fear, but then the journey continued. And the next thing I knew that I was before the throne of heaven.

SID: What did you see?

FELIX: A ring of fire.

SID: You’re feeling emotion right now? Why?

FELIX: When I came before the throne, and I get emotional with that too, because you’re before the throne. A ring of fire encircles the throne, ripples of fire and ripples of glory with depth. With

protecting the throne. And I immediately went down upon my face. I remember covering my eyes because I could not stand the glory, the brilliance, the fire.

I had to cover my eyes. To this day when I’m in the presence of God and I come into his glory and I’m worshiping, it’s common for me to cover my eyes now, but I sat, I lie before the throne of God. I saw the throne.

I saw the feet of our Lord and the throne rested on a crystal sea, a crystal firmament that separated the third heaven from the lower heavens. And so, as I’m in heaven, I was by a river. The river flowed, it seemed, from the throne. And I don’t know to where it went, but it was flowing.

SHAWN: That’s how prophecy starts. Many of us don’t ever hear that because a lot of people who prophesy they actually just do a gift. They just prophesy to the measure of their gift. They’re not connected in their emotions. You become one of the millions of people they’ve prophesied over. They don’t know who you are. And I’m not saying I remember everybody I prophesied over but I remember a moment that I spent because I was completely invested in that moment with them with God and my love was turned on or else I wasn’t going to do it. I refuse to do something that it doesn’t have to be an emotion but I don’t turn my love on for. Let’s look real fast at First Corinthians 12 where it talks about spiritual gifts. One of them says that there’s a message of the word of knowledge. Now this is incredible because a word of knowledge does this for people and it helps people to understand that they are loved by God and that He had pre-thought them. One of my favorite words of knowledge I ever had I was in Australia and I was with Pastor Bill Johnson. Many of you now him from Reading California. And right before he spoke they had asked me to get up and give some words of knowledge and to give some prophetic words. So I got up and I gave a list. I had pre-prayed and asked God for names of the people there and for whatever. Not names but just whatever He would say. And I pre-prayed and as I had started to try and give the words no one was there on my list! And I was like well you’re pretty, I’ll just prophesy over you. I don’t know. I didn’t know what to do. I was just like ha, ha, ha, does anybody want a word? You know like it was just one of those moments and it was a big sell-out conference and I bombed! You know but I was not a performance. I’m in love. I’m just trying. I’m taking risks. And I’m learning too and it’s not about information in the New Testament. You don’t go get stoned because you have information wrong. You get stoned when you don’t love well.

AUDIENCE: Mm.

SHAWN: And the Old Testament it was about you know all information. If you could get your information right that’s how God loved the people but in the New Testament it’s about we’re each justified by our own relationship and to hearing God. So we bring each other encouragement, comfort, edification. So if we miss it we just take responsibility and say I’m sorry that I missed that detail and we move on. We don’t have to stop our ministry. We don’t have to, we may decrease in our authority if we continually miss in certain areas. We need to like reevaluate how we’re getting those words but that’s part of learning how to be accountable to growth but you are not disqualified because you missed details. As a matter of fact before I go back into the Bill Johnson Australia story I was at Starbucks one day and I ran after this guy and I said hey, is there a Steven, like a brother or a cousin or something” He goes, no! and I thought ah-ha-ha. Okay. Bye.

AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

KEVIN: But we really are!

RYAN: Right. Right.

KEVIN: And they explained to me that the answer to Michael the Archangel and that they were stationed there because of the interests of Israel and that the Lord God had assigned them under Michael in the Pentagon to make sure that everything goes well with this country because this country supports Israel. 

RYAN: Wow!

KEVIN: So that was the first shocker.

RYAN: Yeah.

KEVIN: And the second one was of course that they said that they were the ones that were influencing our government and the military over there and so that everything was slanted toward Israel. Isn’t that amazing? So that’s how it all started. However, they began to speak to me about my purpose on the earth and how God had sent me back. And so they started to explain to me. They said you know could you do what you usually do in the hotel rooms? It’s I worked for Southwest Airlines for 29 years and the next thing they said was can you just worship God like you do –   

RYAN: Wow!

KEVIN: In your hotel rooms?

RYAN: Wow!

KEVIN: They knew every night, that when I walked in my room, I would set my bags down and I would raise my hands and I would start to worship God. And so they said can you do that for us right now because we want to –

RYAN: Really?

KEVIN: Yeah. They said you don’t even need music or anything. They said you just worship God like that.

RYAN: And you’re just having this conversation with angels?

KEVIN: Yeah! So I said to them, I said to them you know no one’s going to ever believe this! I said how am I going to ever tell this story because no one’s going to believe me that this is even happening! Because it seemed like it was just six individuals that were very, very special in the Lord’s army but they were not like the religious.

RYAN: Right. Right.

KEVIN: You know they weren’t like a – it wasn’t a religious experience at all.

RYAN: Right. Right.

KEVIN: It was just like a – it was totally supernatural! The power of God was the pulse of the – the Father’s heart was just coming from them!

RYAN: Wow!

KEVIN: So they were explaining to me that I touched heaven’s heart when I worshipped.

RYAN: When you worshipped.

KEVIN: Uh-huh. So I raised my hands and I just started worshipping God like I do. And I would just imagine myself, when I was at the throne room of God when I’ve had my experience, I would just go back to that in my spirit so that’s what I did. Well, I could hear them join in.

RYAN: Wow!

KEVIN: And they started worshipping God!

RYAN: Wow!

KEVIN: And when I stopped they stopped. And they said we just love it when you do that! 

RYAN: Why do you think? Why do you think these angels so appreciated, a human’s worship, to God? I mean what was it doing for them?

KEVIN: For one thing they don’t really understand how much God – why God loves human beings as much as He does. 

RYAN: Wow.

DENNIS: And she goes, “I wonder how we’re going to move all that furniture. We’re still going to be traveling. We’re going to be in Connecticut and how we’re going to get back and how blah, blah, blah,”

JENNIFER: [laughs]

DENNIS: It proved another point. You can fool people with your words, you can even fool them with your silence, you can fool them with your body language, but you can’t hide what emanates. And so, I started,

JENNIFER: Can I tell them what you had me do?

DENNIS: Yeah.

JENNIFER: He had me drop down to my spirit and release that whole situation into the hands of God like that’s a river of release flowing out. And instantly, I had peace. And he said, “We’ll worry about moving when we get back from our ministry trip.” And He did, God came through! We had peace the whole time we were moving!

SID: Now, what do you do when someone attacks you verbally? What’s the very first thing you guys do?

JENNIFER: Well, I used to put up a wall, but what Dennis taught me to do was to drop down to my spirit and go to Jesus. He, Himself, is our peace and I’d feel His peace inside and it says the peace of God will guard our heart and mind. And people could say things, but I’d stay in peace. And you could hear that they had an issue, you could feel their emotion, but it couldn’t go in. It’s like a shield that quenches the fiery darts.

DENNIS: Even if it was demonic, it cannot penetrate the fruit of the Spirit.

JENNIFER: The enemy can’t touch the fruit of the Spirit.

DENNIS: But ninety-nine percent of Christians, when they’re in a hostile environment, the first thing they do, right? You know what I’m doing? Down here, you think you’re protecting yourself from somebody’s words. Guess what? When you put up that wall, that’s flesh, you just crimped the hose from getting any help from Jesus. You’re saying, “I’m going to take care of this myself because that person’s mean and I’m going to protect myself.” It goes right through that and you get bummed out.

JENNIFER: Because that wall is fear and fear belongs to the enemy camp.

DENNIS: And,

JENNIFER: Oh, I have a question for everybody.

DENNIS: Okay.

JENNIFER: Who gave us toxic emotions? The enemy, right? Jesus didn’t give us toxic emotions so when we feel those toxic emotions, he has permission, the enemy has permission to torment us. But do you know what? The children that we taught, we taught in a Christian school, they got it immediately. I said, “Where do toxic emotions come from?” and they said, “The enemy!” [laughs] Adults are a little slow, they have to think about it.

Audience: [laughs]