Its Supernatural

Sid Roth welcomes Dave Hess

A note from one of our friends and she is a pastor, she said that a women in our church had a vision for you and she wrote it down during the service.  It was written on the back of an offering envelope and it said “I saw the Lord send an angel to Dave”.  The angel walked into his room, lifted up his head, like a mother would lift up the head of a baby and prayed for him and gave him courage.  So in that moment, I realized it was a lot more than a singing nurse.  It was actually an angel from the Lord and it explained the look on the face of that angel.  If you could see what I see, you would not be afraid for a moment.

Sid: Now tell me the song that she sang to you and that you had been singing lightly under your breath.

Dave: Well, it’s a song by Kirk Franklin and the chorus says “I know that I can make it.”   “I know that I can stand. No matter what may come my way, my life is in your hands.” 

Sid: Speak to someone right now that is going through a tragedy.  Speak to them right now.

Dave: Oh, I will.  I’ll speak to them in song.  The angel turned the song around and sang this to me.  “I know that you can make it.  I know that you can stand.  No matter what may come your way, your life is in His hands.”  And it is.  Your life right now is in the hands of the Lord.  They are healing hands, they ‘re restoring hands, they’re courageous hands, they’ re hands that fought a war for you and won.  And He’s holding you in those hands right now.

Sid: You know the presence of God is so strong, but I’m reminded of a scripture that God gave you it was Nahum Chapter 1:9 which says:

Dave: Which says: “This affliction shall not return a second time. “

Sid: Now you heard that, did it have that much meaning to you?

Dave: No, none at all.

Sid: Because you already had the affliction.

Dave: But the word came in preparation for a battle I was about to face and it came to me, the thought Nahum 1:9 came to me and to be honest, I wasn’t sure what Nahum 1:9 said off the top of my head.    So, when I looked it up I read those words, this affliction will not come back a second time.  The next day, one of my doctors came in and said “We’ve got this amazing report, it looks like leukemia is being cleansed from your body, but then he turned and said,  we don’t want you to get your hopes up because  often leukemia does this and it comes back a second time with a vengeance. So don’t get your hopes up”.  He left the room.

Sid: What a wicked seed to plant in someone!

Dave: Ha, Ha, well he was just looking in the natural.  But, that’s why we have been given spiritual eyes and that’s why Our Father speaks to us.  Because,  because there are other people talking to us all the time, there are all kind of words coming around us and opinions and fears and worries being spoken.  But, His Word is just…

Sid: So, the doctor said that it could come back a second time and what did God say.

Dave: God said that, so this doctor’s opinion was the second opinion.  God’s opinion was “this affliction will not come back a second time.

Sid: I believe that’s for someone who is listening right now because, there is such power in the testimony.  And then right after that happens you get hit with where you almost died.  Your temperature went up to over 105 degrees.

Dave: Yes, Yes.

Sid: I mean you get this good Word, from God and then boy, the devil just pulls the rug from under you.

Dave: That ‘s right, it’s truly a battle,  were in a warfare and it’s not just one hit but there can be multiple hits.

Sid Roth welcomes Dave Hess

Sid: So what are your thoughts about the people that listening to us right now that have leukemia, that have cancer.  If you pray for them, what do you believe is going to happen?

Dave: I believe God is going to release healing anointing upon their life and I believe that their current…

Sid: Are you just saying that or do you really believe that Dave?

Dave: I really believe it.  I really believe it.  I believe that in the area that we have received some of our greatest attacks the Lord turns it around he comes and strengthens us to not only be personally comforted, but to become and be fortified.  Come and strengthen others with the same comfort we received.  So it just starts passing it on.

Sid: Okay, let’s pass it on.  Cancer free zone right now come pray.

Dave:  In Jesus name, we claim your promise for heaven coming to earth and you will being done just as it is in Heaven.  You carried cancer to the cross and broke its power and now in Your Name Lord Jesus we break the power of cancer over lives of our friends that are listening in Jesus Name and release Your healing life to them.  Amen, amen.

Sid: What a presence of God has been in the studio all week.  Have you sensed that?  I really believe that that anointing is greater than any cancer.  I believe that we are in a cancer free zone right now.  But, it’s not  just cancer free,  its sickness free, its demon free, its pain free.  God is telling me that people are being healed in a dramatic fashion right now.  There are people that have pains in their back, yeah, some people are actually getting new spines.  Your spine is straightening right now.  Some of you are getting new vertebrae.  Any pain in your back area is being healed in the presence of God it’s going up it’s going up your neck right now and as it’s going up your neck that anointing is destroying the yoke.  What do I mean by that, I mean if you have pain in your neck, you just move your neck you’ll see or bend your back right now.  And there’s someone can’t even raise their arms above their head.  But, if you will do that right  now, that pain is gone.  And, I heard the Holy Spirit say, that on the top of the neck is the head.  And there are people with allergies right now and you are being healed of these allergies.  But, I keep going back to back because so many backs are being healed.  But, I can literally see that your sinuses passages are opening up where you could not breathe before, you are able to breathe.  Anything that you need in your head you are being healed right now.  I keep going back to that back area.  I keep hearing that backs are being healed in a marvelous fashion. But now joints of all kinds are being healed  especially in the fingers right now.  Arthritis in the fingers ,I command that arthritis to leave in Yeshua’s Name.  And people that were hopeless (ha ha) that hope is coming back into you.  It’s a new day.  It’s time for you to make Jesus really Lord of your life.

This is the Shabbat broadcast.  “The Lord bless you and keep you. The Lord cause His countenance to shine upon you and be gracious to you. “  The Lord grant you His Shalom, a hip was just healed,  in the Name of the SAR Shalom, the Prince of Peace, Yeshua Hamashiach Sekanu, Jesus the Messiah, our Righteousness.

Sid Roth welcomes Rabbi Michael Zeitler

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Rabbi Michael Zeitler. Michael, tell me about that little 12-year-old girl, born deaf. What happened to her?

MICHAEL: Twelve-year-old girl, born deaf. I had blown the shofar and three people came up to give testimony that they could hear, but she hadn’t received her hearing. The Lord directed me to lay hands on her ears and to ask God to open her ears. She instantly received her hearing and the expression on her face, Sid, to hear sounds for the first time, her mother crying because she knew that her daughter was now hearing. It was just absolutely fantastic.

SID: And when Michael shares about miracles of Israel, Israel is a miracle nation. When he shares there is a release of glory. I believe, Michael, it comes from Genesis 12:3, in which God says, “I, God, will bless those who bless the Jewish people.” When Michael shares about the miracles of God he’s sharing about the blessings of God, and the blessings overflow and people get so miraculously healed. One more.

MICHAEL: Another one in the War of Independence, Sid, really hard to explain except just to repeat what I know. The unit was without ammunition. There were thousands of Arabs below, down below on this Galilee hill that they were on. And in desperation they pour gasoline over 50 empty drums and roll them down the mountain toward the Arabs. At the same time a tropical storm is starting. And so between the thunder, the lightening, the flaming barrels and the sound of them hitting the rocks, the Arabs thought it was a secret weapon and they all ran off.

SID: Rabbi Michael, my faith is soaring right now. I believe it’s time for you to blow the shofar. And if you are ready we’re gonna have more miracles than we’ve ever had in the history of our show. Blow that shofar, Michael.

MICHAEL: [shofar]

SID: And I know that as you start speaking what God is telling you right now the miracles will break loose.

MICHAEL: Sid, right now I see the Lord healing people. God is moving in backs and necks right now. There’s somebody that has a herniated disk. There’s seven herniated disks in your back, and God is replacing those right now with a brand new spine. I see, thank you Lord, there’s a liver that’s being healed right now. You have cirrhosis of the liver and God is replacing that liver with a brand new liver. Thank you, Father. Thank you, Almighty God. Right now there’s somebody who has pressure on their brain and God is releasing that pressure right now from your brain. You were gonna have an aneurism and God is releasing that right now for you. Sid, there’s people that are having their hearing opened right now, that they heard the shofar and you heard the shofar, and your ears were instantly opened. There’s someone else right now that has a corneal ulcer in their eye, it’s your left eye, and God is healing your eye right now. Thank you, Almighty God. Stomach ulcers are being healed right now. Thank you, Lord. Depression just left. When you heard the shofar being blown, depression and fear just left. It literally just left your life forever and left your thinking, your mind. Thank you, Father. Thank you, Almighty God. Someone, their right leg, they have a shortened leg and they have a problem with their knee, and their femur bone, the bottom part of their calf, God’s healing you right now. You can get up and you can walk around. There’s someone that just heard the shofar, and hearing my words, you were in a wheelchair. You have multiple sclerosis and you feel an electricity going through your body right now. I want you to get up out of your wheelchair and tell us what happened, because God just took you out of the wheelchair right there while you were watching. Thank you, Almighty God. Thank you.

SID: Do you remember this Jewish man that didn’t know his right hand from his left hand, and was challenged by another Jewish believer in the Messiah, and he said, “Nice story, but do you know Jesus?” I challenge you right now. You’ve got a nice story, but do you know Jesus? You know, it said Adam knew Eve, had intimacy with Eve. God wants you to have such a flow of His love, such a flow of His peace that nothing, nothing can steal that from you. The only way to have that is to start out by saying, “I have made many mistakes, God. Please forgive me. I believe your son, Jesus, died in my place, and by his blood my mistakes are washed away and I’m clean. And now that I’m clean, Jesus, come inside of me. God of love, come inside of me.” I see the tears coming from your eyes right now. Say that loud now.

Our Guest Rabbi Michael Zeitler

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Rabbi Michael Zeitler, and Michael, you just got back from Peru. It’s the most miraculous thing. When he speaks about Israel, you see so few people, believers in the Messiah, traditional Jews, people, Buddhists, anyone who understands plan for Israel and the connection between Israel and the United States of America. And when Michael starts sharing, especially the miracles that have happened in Israel, it releases a miracle atmosphere, and many times he’ll just blow the shofar and people are instantly healed. Tell me about the time that people heard an angelic choir while you were speaking.

 

MICHAEL: Yes. I was in Peru and basically it was God just orchestrating the whole thing. All I was just doing was narrating. And I blew the shofar and then this one particular pastor starts singing, and it’s in the spirit, and the Lord says, “That’s an angelic song that he’s singing right now.” And when he finished singing it, everybody heard the angels singing the very song that he was just finished singing.

 

SID: Not just one or two people? Everyone.

 

MICHAEL: No. Yeah, the pastor. I asked. I said, “How many of you heard the singing?” Yeah. They raised their hands. And there were miraculous things that took place. Seven people were miraculously healed as they heard the angels singing of their hearing. They had bad hearing. Their hearing was completely healed.

 

SID: Let me ask you a candid question between two Jews. What’s this big fuss about Israel? Why is it so important?

 

MICHAEL: Because it’s God’s time clock, Sid. As goes Israel, so goes the spiritual Israel, the church, okay, Israel in the natural, the spiritual Israel, so goes the world. Everything that takes place in Israel then continues to follow suit with the rest of the world. That’s why it’s so important. It’s the apple of God’s eye and it’s where God says His presence will be. It was before in the Tabernacle with Moses. It will be again in the New Jerusalem when He returns.

 

SID: In your book you teach about the connection between the United States of America and

Israel. Many people don’t know this. Tell us a few nuggets.

 

MICHAEL: Okay. Well the United States, when the Puritans came they thought they were coming to a promised land and they were believing that this was truly the Promised Land as they related to what happened with those so long ago in Israel. And all the various different presidents in the administrations in the White House were supportive of having a nation for the Jewish people to come back to Israel. It wasn’t called Israel. There was no name for it at that time, maybe Palestine, which was basically what England gave it, but the United States and Israel have been literally, like you said, married to one another, and being able to be influenced. And so the United States has blessed the Jewish people and blessed Israel, the United States has prospered and grown economically and in other ways because of the blessing of the Nation of Israel.

 

SID: And you point out when the United States goes against Israel what the world might call is natural disasters, economic disasters happen.

 

MICHAEL: Yes. All various different kinds of things, like what happened with Katrina. Ten thousand people were removed from Gaza forcibly and 10,000 people were displaced and killed in New Orleans.

 

SID: And what I also love is the connection between great events in the history of Israel and great events in the history of the church. Tell me a few.

 

MICHAEL: Well in 1948, when it says in Isaiah, “Can a country be born in a day?” It happened. This little tiny nation, smaller than the state of Delaware, is now established. Eighty different people groups have a 2000-year-old language that’s resurrected from the dead. And in 1948, as that was happening, also at the same time just a few months later, the healing revival, the healing movement started with Jack Cole, with Catherine Kuhlman, with Oral Roberts, all happening at the same time. Another one, in 1967, with the Six-Day War, just a few months after the Six-Day War when they were outnumbered by the Arabs there was no way that they were going to be able to succeed in victory. And yet, after a few months, the Jesus movement starts in Haight-Ashbury in San Francisco, and leaders like the leader of the Messianic movement, Marty Chernoff and so many others that are leaders today came forth from that. As what was happening in Israel so went God’s time clock to affect the spiritual Israel and the world.

 

SID: And I love all the miracles that God does in the land of Israel. And watch what happens to your faith level as Rabbi Michael shares about these miracles. I don’t know about you, Michael, but I feel the presence of God starting to invade this studio. Tell me one miracle in the history of Israel.

 

MICHAEL: Okay. In 1948, the War of Independence, there’s 200 Syrian armored vehicles, 45 tanks coming to the oldest kibbutz called Degana and all they have, because the British, two weeks before their independence is announced, all the weapons that are available are taken away from them. They only have four cannons and they’re from the 1870s from the Prussian War. Lieutenant Colonel Moshe Dayan quickly has it assembled and fires on the lead tank coming into this kibbutz. They take the tank out. The Syrians get scared and the whole 200 of them turn and go back to Syria thinking that there’s other weapons available from Israel.

 

SID: Now that’s just a little example. But there are so many examples, and believe me, as you hear these miracles your faith will grow. And I’m gonna have Rabbi Michael blow the shofar. He just got back from Peru, 2000 miracles. Be right back after this word.

Sid Roth welcomes Rabbi Michael Zeitler

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. The rarified care of Heaven is going to be invading wherever you’re watching me from right now because my guest, Rabbi Michael Zeitler, when he speaks about Israel, especially when, Michael, when you blow the shofar, the ram’s horn, you just got back from Peru. You said you had like 2000 miracles in Peru.

MICHAEL: That’s correct.

SID: People are hearing angels singing.

MICHAEL: Yes.

SID: They’re seeing gold dust. In fact, you’re even running out in the streets. Now what is a nice Jewish guy doing in Peru having 2000 miracles happen? I’ll tell you, Michael, you were raised in a conservative Jewish home. My father used to say, “Conservative Judaism, that’s not even Jewish.” When I became Messianic he said, “Conservative looks pretty good.” But you were raised in a conservative Jewish home, and you had an experience at a young age of anti-Semitism. Tell me about that.

MICHAEL: Well I had some friends in my neighborhood and we were good friends, and just one day came home and one of them had a yellow broomstick handle in his hands, screaming and yelling that I killed Jesus, that I was a Jew. At eight years old I didn’t even know what he meant. I ran home crying. My mother and sister didn’t know what was going on. And after that every time I heard the name, not Yeshua, but every time I heard the name “Jesus” mentioned I would smell baby’s vomit all the time after that.

SID: So you didn’t want to be around anyone speaking the name Jesus.

MICHAEL: It was an aversion to me to have anything to do with it.

SID: Okay. So in high school this nice conservative Jewish boy gets involved in witchcraft, gets involved in what other things?

MICHAEL: Got involved in Buddhism. I was a hippie. I was into drugs, sex, rock and roll, all of that.

SID: Anything but Jesus.

MICHAEL: Exactly.

SID: Okay. You have a girlfriend. You go off to Peru with her. But it’s Easter. So what is a nice Jewish boy do when everyone in town is going to church on Easter? Would you go with your girlfriend?

MICHAEL: I went with her to a movie. It was the only movie that was playing that had English language. There was everything with subtitles, and it was “Jesus Christ Superstar” of all things.

SID: Did you realize it was that?

MICHAEL: I didn’t want to go. But there was nothing else and I was bored. So I went and during the movie, God can use anything. I was delivered from that curse that just happened so long ago when I was eight years with the baby’s vomit. I was able to sing the songs from “Jesus Christ Superstar” and nothing. Everything was gone.

SID: Now, but you started going to church with your girlfriend, because I guess you’re open to anything. And you come back to the states and he goes to a Full Gospel Businessmen’s meeting, and they find out someone Jewish believes in Jesus. He doesn’t know Jesus from anything. And so he shares his story. What kind of story could you share at that meeting?

MICHAEL: The whole story about the baby’s vomit, about witchcraft, about being a hippie, about going into Buddhism, everything I shared, and I didn’t even know I was doing it. It was the first time I was public-speaking. I was in front of 150 people.

SID: Okay. But a Jewish believer in Jesus comes up to you, points his finger in your nose, and what does he say?

MICHAEL: Joe Cohen, a good friend of mine.

SID: Sounds Jewish to me.

MICHAEL: Oh yeah, definitely so. He says to me, “That was a nice story, but do you know Jesus?” And I said, “No.” And he witnessed to me. He spoke to me outside, giving me his story about how he came to know Jesus and said, “Do you want to know him?” And I said, “Yes, I’m ready.” And that night that I accepted him, it was over an hour and a half in the parking lot with him, I gave up all these little good luck things and witchcraft stuff, and all kinds of different things, paraphernalia that I used to carry around with me, I threw it in the garbage that night.

SID: And then he goes to another meeting and he learns that 2000 years ago at Shavuot, the spirit of God descended on these Jewish believers and they spoke in supernatural languages. And what happened to you at that meeting?

MICHAEL: They were very insistent about me being Jewish and knowing Jesus, and I was a little bit apprehensive because I thought based on my past experiences that it wasn’t a good thing. And at the end, the leader invited me up and they said, “Let me lay hands on you.” And they put their hands on my body and they said, “There it is. There it is.” And all of a sudden I feel something bubbling, Sid, out of my stomach and language, a foreign language comes out of mouth, sounds like at one point Chinese. It went on for two hours.

SID: Two hours!

MICHAEL: Yeah, I couldn’t stop.

SID: What did you think was going on?

MICHAEL: I didn’t know. I was shaking like a leaf. Everything was going on at the same time. It was wild and I had no idea what was happening.

SID: Then he goes through, you can see step by step how God is leading this conservative Jewish man. Then he takes him to a meeting where the man talks about forgiveness.

MICHAEL: That’s correct. Another Full Gospel Businessmen’s meeting, and a man names Austin Myles, tremendous giftings of God, and toward the end of the service he says, “Those of you who need to forgive whatever it is that you have problems with.” And then he says something very unusual. He says, “And childhood memories of people that hurt you, whatever you need to forgive.” And so after I forgave, then all of a sudden a flood of childhood memories came into my mind and I started to release unforgiveness. And I felt at that moment my arm shoot out in front of me and like electricity in water flowing from this point of my elbow all the way down out through my fingertips, and it just continued to flow like that. I never experienced anything like that before in my life.

SID: And since that point something else has been happening. You pray for the sick and what happens?

MICHAEL: They get miraculously healed.

SID: Real quick, tell me, you go out in the streets like you just got back from Peru.

MICHAEL: Yes.

SID: Tell me a story of someone in the street.

MICHAEL: A beggar, who I did not know until after it was explained to me, was born deaf, and he was there outside a restaurant begging. I said, “I don’t have any money to give you, but I can pray for you.” And I asked God to open his ears that he would be able to hear. He was instantly healed by God and he was able to hear. And he was shouting and carrying on, even though he couldn’t really speak. He was [unintelligible]. It was so exciting.

SID: You just got back from Peru. Two thousand miracles and when he speaks about the God connection between Israel and people that know God, miracles explode. Michael, when we get back, you’ve got to talk about Israel. Don’t go away.

Sid Roth welcomes Kris Vallotton

SID: Hello, Sid Roth your investigative reporter of the Supernatural here with Kris Vallotton. And boy, leaving you at the edge of your seat. I mean, for three and a half years he’s shaking. He’s got a demon, he’s got no hope. He’s getting these visions of doing horrible things. He’s hopeless; he’s finished; he’s history! And he just happens by coincidence, except we know better than that, he hears a radio show. “God has not given you a spirit of fear but of love, power, and a sound mind.” And it was like the power of God penetrated and he realized that this was a foreign entity and he commanded it to go because it was nothing more than an illusion that was trying to destroy him. And it left and he got so excited he said “I’m going to tell everyone about this.” And all of a sudden he had a thought. What was that thought?

KRIS: That thought was “If you tell anyone I’ll kill you.”

SID: Was it like an audible voice or just a thought?

KRIS: You know I think it was just a thought, but it was so strong it was like an audible voice.

SID: And all the symptoms came back?

KRIS: All the symptoms returned.

SID: Did you start shaking again?

KRIS: In five seconds. I couldn’t drive I shook so bad. So I pull over alongside the road. I told you it was pitch dark, it was an eerie place, no moon that night, and I’m literally wondering how I’m going to get home. I can’t think. And this still small voice says to me “Does the devil hate you?” And I said “Oh yeah, he hates me.” And He said “Why didn’t he kill you when you first received Me?”

SID: Good question.

KRIS: And I said “I don’t know.” And He said “Because he can’t. He’s a liar. And his power lies in illusion.” And He said “As long as you believe him, then you empower his lies.” And immediately this peace just flowed over me. The shaking stopped and I got back in my right mind again and off I went home.

SID: It was almost a demonstration of the reality of God, the reality of the devil, and the greater strength in the Word of God, who happens to have a name: Jesus.

KRIS: That’s right. You know, Isaiah 54 says “Oppression will be far from you for you will not fear.”

SID: Speaking of fear, you had more than your share. It was almost like you were tested now on what you had just learned.

KRIS: That’s right.

SID: For instance you were driving, there were children in the car, and someone started chasing you?

KRIS: Yeah, you know what we did was we did eighth grade…my son went to a Christian school. There was only eight graduates in the eighth grade graduation. A pretty small school; again, we were living in the mountains. And we go to Santa Cruz beach, and we’re coming home from Santa Cruz beach. We pull over to get gas and to let the kids go to the restroom and get something to drink. We get back on the road and this guy pulls up right next to us. We’re in a ten passenger van. He pulls up right next to us. Driving down the road, we’re getting on the onramp. Pulls over right next to us and goes, like “Your tire is flat.” And he’s in a white Chevy, an old white Chevy truck. So I start to pull over and I look out the window of the van and we’re going about five miles an hour on the freeway now, pulling over, I’m in the gravel. And I look over and his eyes are glowing bright red. And so I’m like “I’ve seen that before from the visitations I’ve had.” One of the evil spirits that used to visit me had bright glowing red eyes. So anyway do I’m pulling over, and just as I’m pulling over this voice says to me “Peace be with you. There shall no harm come to you.” And I’m like… I haven’t a clue what that’s about. I’m like “I wonder what that’s about.” So I look over at the guy and I’m about to pull over and I see his eyes are red and we’re in the gravel and I think, I just had this thought: “Don’t pull over.” So I thanked him, “Thank you very much. Yeah I got it.” And I go to pull back on and he runs me off the road.

SID: Oh my goodness.

KRIS: And so I’m like “what is going on?” I have no clue what’s going on. And so I kind of stop and he gets out of his truck and he starts running towards the van and he looks really violent and I go “I’m out of here.” So I take off and for forty miles this guy tries to run us off the road, traffic’s stopped on both sides of the road. This is on Highway 5, a major highway in California. He tries to ram us from behind. He pulls his truck sideways on the freeway and he waits for us and we’re going down the road and he’s waiting to ram us from the side and so I stop, he stops, he gets out of his truck, he starts running for the van. The kids in the van, they start screaming “He’s got a gun! He’s got a gun!”

SID: Oh my goodness! How fearful were you when all this is going on?

KRIS: I had total peace. Actually I kept laughing. I’m like “This is crazy.” And I just had this total peace because a voice said to me “Peace be with you.” And when He said “Peace be with you,” this overwhelming sense of God’s presence just came over me. Is that amazing?

SID: We serve an amazing God. You know Kris I want you to look in the camera right now and I want you to pray for someone going through fear.

KRIS: You know I just thought a few minutes ago, I was thinking of my testimony while I was sharing with you, and I thought there’s a woman, that she’s for seven years been on antidepressants. And I really felt like, and she’s having a lot of the same symptoms, can’t sleep at night and has an incredible fear of her children being molested or taken from her. And I felt like the Lord was releasing you right now. Just like that man who was on the radio with me, I’m sure he didn’t know me, but he said “God hasn’t given us a spirit of fear, but love, power, and a sound mind.” And I really believe right now that the Lord is delivering you from that spirit. And not only that but there’s problems inside your stomach and in your colon area and I think that probably is stimulated a lot from anxiety. And the Lord right now… you can feel like a warm oil going down your esophagus and over into your stomach area and the Lord is healing you right now. And I think your name is Jane and I also see someone named Karen that’s somehow related to this whole thing. Maybe it’s your daughter. But the Lord, He’s doing a healing in your life right now that has many dimensions. He’s healing you physically, the whole stomach issue, He’s healing you spiritually because He’s delivering you from that spirit, but you’re going to be opened up to the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is going to begin to talk to you and there’s going to be dimensions of God’s voice that you’ve never ever seen before. The first visitation is going to come tonight. And the third thing is He’s healing you emotionally. David said this in the 23rd Psalm…

SID: I tell you what; our time is up but here is the important thing right now for you: Kris Vallotton was a dead man. God rescued him by the power of His Word. Today he pastors a wonderful church, Bethel Church.  God did that in his life and God wants to do the same in your life. God is not a respecter of persons.

KRIS: That’s right.

SID: He knows you. He had you watch. I tell you, if you turn your life over completely to God, repent of your sins, believe the blood of Jesus washed them away, make Jesus your Lord. Your own words not Billy Graham words, your words. I tell you, this is what you were created for. There is a destiny on your life. Don’t miss this chance now.

Our Guest Kris Vallotton

SID: Hello, Sid Roth your investigative reporter of the Supernatural here with Kris Vallotton. And this is unbelievable. He just gets one thought and he gets so much fear inside of him that he shakes for three and a half years. He thinks the grass is greener, he goes to another city, he’s only sleeping one hour a night; he’s got a wonderful wife, a wonderful child. Then bizarre thoughts start going through his mind, he’s molesting children, he’s molesting his children, he’s molesting his wife. These thoughts are going through his mind. He can’t stop this. He doesn’t want to go to a psychiatrist because he’s seen what happened to people that go to a psychiatrists. He doesn’t believe that he could possibly have a demon. His theology said a Christian can’t have a demon. So you must have pretty much… did you think about suicide?

KRIS: Oh, I was thinking about everything. I should make it clear that I never did molest my children or molest my wife. Those thoughts were happening in me. I mean it’s like…

SID: You were fighting, I guess?

KRIS: I was fighting the thoughts the whole time. Never did any of that stuff; never did anything that the thoughts provoked me to do. But I was just terrified all the time. And then we get to Weaverville, it increases instead of gets better. Demonic spirits start to visit me. When I say demonic spirits Sid, I’m not talking about something I’m imagining now. Now I’m not talking about visions. I’m talking about they literally would come in my room, I’d see them with my eyes, the lights would go on and off, electricity would go off in our house, pictures would fall off the wall.

SID: Did your wife witness this sort of thing?

KRIS: Some of the things she witnessed herself.

SID: Hmm.

KRIS: It was completely insane.

SID: You were living a horrible life.

KRIS: I was living a horrible life and I just wanted to die. I didn’t want to kill myself but I just wanted to die.

SID: Tell me about this radio station you supernaturally found.

KRIS: Yeah. You know I’m living up in the woods in Lewiston, California. It’s a community of 900 people, and like I said we’re an hour from society. Can’t sleep at night so oftentimes I’d get up and turn the radio on. Well, all we’d get up there is static so I’m listen to the radio, I’ve got the stereo on. I have my ear right up to the stereo because you can’t hardly hear it. I’m trying to make out a talk show. I don’t know what the talk show is; I’m just trying to get my mind off of what’s happening.

SID: Trying to get distracted.

KRIS: Yeah, trying to get distracted. And I hear this man say this on the radio: “God hasn’t given us a spirit of fear, but love, power, and a sound mind. Second Timothy 1:6” God hasn’t given us a spirit of fear, but love, power, and a sound mind. And he says, through the static I hear him say, “Some of you are having thoughts, and you think you’re insane. But you’re not insane. This spirit that’s speaking to you is a spirit of insanity.” And when he said that, it was like somebody threw cold water on me and woke me from a sleep. And so I turned off the radio, and I’m laying on the floor. It’s three thirty, three o’clock in the morning, and I said “God, what do I do about this?” And not in an audible voice, but as clearly as we’re talking here I heard the Lord say “You’re not insane. A spirit of insanity has come into your life.” And I said “What do I do?” He said “Tell it to leave your life. It has no authority over you in Christ unless you fear it, unless you believe in it.” So I’m laying on the floor and I’m like “Ok, what do I do?” I mean, you realize this was a lot of years ago and I’m like “What do I do?” And the Lord said “Tell it to leave you.” So I said “Well how do I do that?” He said “Tell the spirit of insanity to leave you.” I said “You spirit of insanity, you leave me right now.” And as soon as I said that, something physically; I could feel it got up off my body. And suddenly my shaking stopped. Three and a half years. My mind becomes clear, the visions stop, and I’m like “Huh. Wish I would’ve known that three and a half years ago.”

SID: It sounds too simple Kris.

KRIS: Is that crazy?

SID: But you know when you said that scripture, “God has not given me a spirit of fear,” it actually identified what the problem is. It’s fear and fear is not something you’re just thinking, it is a spirit.

KRIS: Yeah, Second Corinthians 10 talks about the weapons of our warfare not being carnal, but they’re mighty through the pulling down of strongholds. Now this is interesting because and some versions say fortresses, and then He talks about the fortresses in our minds. They’re thoughts, speculations, and lofty things; thoughts, speculations, and lofty things. And Paul says the weapons of our warfare, they’re strong for the pulling down of fortresses, but where are they? They’re thoughts, speculations, and lofty things. Those are all in your mind. Isn’t that amazing?

SID: So all you had to do was speak to it.

KRIS: That’s right.

SID: And it would leave and then your thoughts would be clear.

KRIS: My thoughts were clear. And what happened was, I spent seven days in perfect peace. I spent seven normal days and I’m like “This is amazing. I’m not shaking.” I mean I almost couldn’t believe it, if you know what I mean. You go through something like for three, three and a half years, four years, ten years, some people have had it for years, and you begin to lose hope that you could ever change. And that’s where I was at. I’m like “Someday they’re going to commit me to a mental hospital and it’s going to be over.”

SID: Of course.

KRIS: And then you stop shaking. I guess about a week went by when I was just doing well and suddenly I’m driving down the road, of course Lewiston, we’re living in Lewiston so we’re living out in the mountains, no streetlights, it’s pitch dark, no moon this night. I’m driving home from work one night and I say “I’m going to tell everybody about this.” “I’m going to tell everyone you’re a liar, you’re a cheat.” Because I realized that the devil’s power lies in illusion.

SID: That’s an interesting premise.

KRIS: He’s an illusionist. It lies; his power actually is developed through lies. Because the Bible says that when we’re a Christian, “Greater is He that’s in us than he that’s in the world.” But what happened is that I believed his lie, I took the authority that Jesus gave me to live a Christian life and I put it in the wrong world. I actually empowered that demon to use; he used my power against me.

SID: So when you said you were going to tell everyone about it, what happened?

KRIS: A voice came to me and he said “If you tell anyone I’ll kill you.” All the symptoms returned. I couldn’t drive. I pulled over on the side road, like I said, pitch dark, kind of an eerie setting if you can picture that, out in the middle of the woods. I pull over all of the symptoms come back. And I’m like… seven days of peace right?

SID: Hold that thought. We’ll be right back after this.

Sid Roth here with Jim Rutz

 

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Jim Rutz, and have you noticed there is a change going on in Christianity? The great Christian pollster, George Barna, you are reading some of his literature; he said there is a real change going on, why don’t you tell me?

JIM: Well everybody is used to coming and sitting in a pew, or sitting in rows of chairs, and having a building with a steeple on it and so forth, pastor, programs, you know all that, and that’s so.

SID: I have to tell you there was a point when I first became a believer that if I wasn’t in a congregation at least three nights a week I would feel like, something’s wrong with me.

JIM: Yes, that’s the psychology that pertains… “It takes three to five” is the phrase that pastor’s use to get people coming three times a week and you’ve got them. Well that sort of style, good, bad, medium indifferent, is shrinking, is part of the whole, and twenty years from now you are going to see that the entire church is maybe one third of the whole, the traditional church becomes one third of the whole because the other two thirds is going to be a relational church where you and I are talking with each other and a dozen other people in a living room, and we are communicating and God is there changing lives.

SID: But you know what, while this shift is occurring, there is a problem, Jim, and the problem is, according to a Christian magazine, Charisma, and many other sources,
there is a big dropout from the traditional church, that people are feeling it is irrelevant and there is a void, they want to do something but they don’t know what to do.

JIM: Well we have seen dropouts before, this one is different, people are not backsliding, they are not leaving the church because they have lost God, they are leaving the church because they are not finding God there anymore as much as they want to, and they are wanting more, and so they are dropping out looking for something, a lot of them are looking for house churches, campus church, office church, Starbucks church, wherever it is that we are going to be meeting.

SID: And this is the premise of your book, MegaShift, which I love the sub-title, the best news since year one, what is the best news since year one?

JIM: The best news since year one is a number of different things, one of the things I have in there is that the world is rapidly becoming Christian, in fact at the rate we are going now, I mean you can’t take a straight line projection seriously, but if we just kept going, expanding the way we are now, everyone in the world would be a Christian by 2032.

SID: Is it going to happen?

JIM: I wouldn’t put a whole lot of money on that but I just wanted,

SID: But it doesn’t seem to be happening in the United States.

JIM: That’s the problem, that’s why I’m sitting here on your TV program, because it is happening in places like China, it’s happening in India, now it’s starting to happen
in Pakistan and Bangladesh, hard core Muslim countries, countries that have never been known for being Christian, and they are turning to Christ in mass. I know a lot of your listeners are starting to think this, Sid has found a crazy, let me just quote you some examples.

SID: Please.

JIM: The whole last century, 1900 to 2000, it started with about a million Christians in Africa, about two million in Africa, grew to two hundred million in the course of a
hundred years, Latin America started with about one million Christians, and it grew to one hundred and seventy million Christians, China started with probably fewer than
a million Christians, about 1950 when things opened up, and now a count is about one hundred fifteen, one hundred twenty million born again Christians in China, and so the
growth is from about four million in one century to about four hundred ninety million and that is pretty remarkable.

SID: Why is it not going on in the United States?

JIM: Well, a lot of what happens overseas is that the miraculous power of God to heal and change lives, even to resurrect people, we, I have counted 52 countries in my book where we have had resurrections in the last fifteen or twenty years.

SID: Yet you know what, that is wonderful, but that is normal, I have been investigating miracles for almost thirty years, but I have here in this book the best documentation and pictures of miracles happening worldwide and although I thought I had seen everything,
tell me about that girl that was born with two heads, four eyes, one head on top of the other, four eyes of which I think only one had an eyeball, tell me about her.

JIM: Her name is Esther; she is from the village of Sucrapath, which is in eastern Majabadedsh which is the middle of nowhere in India, out in the jungles actually, and
on September 1, 1999, she was born in the evening, and her parents were horrified of course, they just couldn’t imagine, they were going to put her in a clay pot and throw
her out in the jungle for animals to eat, but then they thought, now we have just become Christians, we probably shouldn’t do that, what will we do? Well, let’s pray. So they brought in five or six Christian friends, that’s about all they had in that village at that time, and they started praying. Thank goodness there was no Westerners there to say,
“Look, look, God does certain things but He doesn’t do other things, you are just going to have to adjust to this.”

SID: You know I think someone could have more faith to pray for someone dead to come
back to life than that particular situation.

JIM: Really, really, I was stunned by it just like you, I started begging my friends to get a camera to the team, and it took them six months to get a camera back in the jungle, but they finally did, anyway, they prayed all night over this horrible looking little thing and now if you look in the book you see this cute little girl, a picture of her, and the two heads became one, and the one real eye stayed there and the other eye got, just normal, and so by the next morning, she had two eyes, perfect eyes, the only thing you can see if you look real carefully at the picture in the book, her easy are still a lot bigger than a little
tiny child’s easy which is usually pretty small, and that’s because the ears originally matched two heads instead of one, other than that, perfect. And here is the bigger thing though, I mean I was surprised when I heard the miracle, but then a prophet in Switzerland named Eric Rabber, got hold of that and God spoke to him strongly and said, “this is not an ordinary miracle, this is a message from God because God is saying that for to long the church has been a two headed monster, men have set themselves up as the head of the church, Jesus wants to be the head, men have said no, we’ll be the church so the church has been a two headed monster and the world looks at us and said, “Hey, that’s church planting, we know that we have our armies run that way, we have our corporations, our governments, the guy at the top gives the orders and everybody else follows the orders, I see that in the church, so where is your God?” So now God is wanting to make a perfect church, a church body, with one new man, everything under the headship of Christ.

SID: Well, most churches would say it’s under the headship of Messiah, however there is the one placed in charge, what is the difference?

JIM: Well the difference is that over the course of the first couple of centuries you had a shift in the church from being the house to house church we read in the Book of Acts, to being a pure middle, top down organizational structure with a command and control center.

SID: It’s almost like multi-level, I’ll tell you what; don’t go away, this is really getting hot, be right back.

Our Guest Bob Larson

SID: What’s wrong with that, I know what’s wrong, but in other words, what is wrong with Star Wars and all of these movies, I mean it’s almost a cult group, they collect everything, I mean its good versus evil, give me a break.

BOB: It’s not, it’s not, it’s not good versus evil. The Bible tells us in Romans to overcome evil with good, but what is the definition of good? In Star Wars, and in occultism, such as Daoism, good is merely the flip side of evil. Much of this stuff comes out of the teaching that good and evil are harmonizing opposites that must live in equilibrium. The Bible says Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil; we are to eradicate evil not figure out how to live with it, so in Star Wars the power that is used by Luke Skywalker or Darth Vader is the same power, it just depends on who is using it, it is all in the mind. It is not in the mind, it is in the moral prerequisites set down by God. Not, you don’t choose what is good and evil, God tells you in the Bible what is good and evil. What is wrong with someone sending their children to the Star Wars movies; let’s take their most recent movie, what is wrong with that?

BOB: I’ll give you a good illustration, my wife went into a Christian Bookstore the other day, and it’s really one of these high-tech upscale Christian bookstores, and they got this big flat paneled TV there, and they are constantly showing DVD’s, they are showing Star Wars. My wife went ballistic, I guess a little of me has rubbed off on her, she went to the counter, to the clerk and said why are you showing Star Wars and you know what, clueless, absolutely clueless, here’s the danger, the kids sitting there watching that are going to loose the power of spiritual discernment and then when they are faced later with something like Silva mind control or whatever, they are not going to be discerning enough to know this is dangerous because gradually their spiritual sensitivity has been eroded over time.

SID: Okay, the producer-director of Star Wars, what’s his agenda?

BOB: George Lucas is an avowed Buddhist; he was a disciple of Joseph Campbell, the man who wrote so much about mythology and who is the founder, the philosophical founder of the new age movement in America, he brought Joseph Campbell out to his ranch, sat down with him and had Campbell school him in Buddhism, and so he deliberately projected this into the storyline of the film, you see it over and over and over again.

SID: Does he have an agenda?

BOB: He has an absolute agenda, and his agenda, look, he has made statements such as this: “There is no difference between the virgin birth of Jesus Christ and the myths of pagan gods coming down and having sex with human women to produce offspring, it’s all the same.” And that is blasphemy; this guy is truly out to lunch.

SID: Okay, switch gears, in Los Angeles there is a professional basketball team and the coach, who is one of the most famous coaches of all time, is involved in Zen. And it is kind of an “in” thing to be involved in, what’s wrong with Zen?

BOB: Well I mean Phil Jackson has got issues in his own life, he is not willing to resolve, and what Zen is for him and millions of people is a mindless escapist way of avoiding dealing with your issues and the issues of a fallen suffering world. It is a form of detachment. Now what it does in the sports world, it allows people to become so detached from everything that they can find a calm center and perform better. And from that standpoint it looks good

SID: It’s good; that is good.

BOB: From that standpoint it looks good. But there is a spiritual price because you are adopting a world view that causes you to also become detached from any moral realities that you might be a sinful creature in need of a holy God.

SID: Have you prayed for people that have been involved in something like Zen just to relax, etc, to lower their blood pressure that needed deliverance?

BOB: Oh, many, many times, and here’s what happens. Most meditative disciplines like Zen teach you that the mind is the enemy of the spirit so to release the spirit you have to still, shut down, or as they say, kill the mind. But in killing the mind what you do is that you become completely vulnerable, there are no spiritual defenses, in other words the resistance against evil is a choice of the soul

SID: So you are opening yourself up to the Zen mind?

BOB: Yeah, what you do is you put the choice in neutral, it in not operational anymore, and so any inherent, by God’s grace defenses against demonic forces are just not there, they are shut down.

SID: Have you been involved in deliverance with people that have been involved in things such as Zen?

BOB: Yes, yes I have, many people. I can’t think of a specific instance but I have done a lot of exorcisms of people in Zen and various forms of meditation.

SID: White witchcraft, we know that witchcraft is evil, white witches use their power for good, what’s wrong with that?

BOB: Well the Bible teaches, and you talked about it earlier, Deuteronomy eighteen, that all that comes from the devil is evil, it only masquerades to appear to be good, but in all of these cases the definition of good and evil is not contingent upon an external revelatory source, its all what you decide is good and evil, so it’s the witch who decides if he or she is doing good or evil. And I remember a classic story one time, I was on Larry King debating a witch and the witch kept saying well I only do white magic, and I just kept pushing, then he starts telling this story about you know, getting ticked off at a taxi driver on the way over to the studio and putting a spell on him that he would be in an accident. I said whoa, wait a minute, I thought you only did good magic; he said well that was for the benefit of that guy to wake him up. All right, I think we, history has shown us, Hitler thought he was doing the world a service, he thought he was doing a good thing. Mental maniacs operate from an internal moral compass that is corrupted and witchcraft knows that, and so you can say what you are doing is good for the benefit of the world but it might be a horrible evil.

SID: Okay, go ahead.

BOB: So what you define as a witch, as white for your benefit, might be to somebody else’s detriment, that’s why the Bible teaches us, we leave all judgments in the hands of God and seek only to obey Him.

SID: Okay in your book you have researched so many different religions, cults and occults, one that was to you one of the most amazing in the entire book and there is hundreds of them.

BOB: The forms of Satanism that taps back into ancient Egyptian black magic believe they have power to recreate Satan in our age, this is very diabolical stuff and it is extremely dangerous and more pervasive than people would realize: the actual Luciferism.

SID: But why is this flooding society at this moment more than ever before in history?

BOB: Because (a) the church is playing games, it is not directly willing to confront this stuff. I had a church recently who said they were going to go into a new church growth campaign, their slogan would be, “We serve Starbucks inside.”

SID: Tell you what, I don’t know about you but I believe we are so close to the return of the Messiah, this world is about ready to destruct, and I don’t want anything separating me from God, but how am I going to know truth, Jesus said, My word is truth. You may say your kingdom is within, but in a kingdom you need a king. Who is your king, who is your king? If it is not Jesus it is that other one, the dark side. Read the book, Deuteronomy eighteen lists all the things that Bob Larson is talking about, in the days of Moses people would have been stoned to death, you know what happens today? Spiritual adultery, separation from God forever, and as the song goes, “Forever is a Long Time.” I have walked with Jesus as a Jewish man for over thirty years and I tell you the peace that I have inside of me, the purpose, the destiny, have you ever had the song go off inside of you, there must be something more? There is, intimacy with God, no other name but Jesus gets you to God, that’s God’s way, try it, you’ll like it.

Sid Roth welcomes Bob Larson

BOB: Yes, absolutely. Look, the classic movie “The Exorcist” was indeed a story of a child who did just that with a Ouija board, and I cannot tell you of the hundreds of case studies I have of people with Ouija boards or other forms of divination who have tried to communicate with the spirit world who they themselves got those spirits, and then they need exorcism and deliverance.

SID: I have even heard of people going to movies needing exorcism as a result of what they have seen in the movies.

BOB: Well, a spirit of fear can enter into somebody at a slasher movie, if you want to go see Texas Chainsaw Massacre, be prepared, you may come home with something you didn’t have when you went there.

SID: Listen, Bob Larson is talking about movies like Star Wars, talking about Zen Buddhism, talking about things that are kind of, you know, just kind of in, Kabala, all these things are doors to the demonic. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want any door to the demonic, do you believe what he is saying? He is going to tell you some real life experiences, don’t go away, we’ll be right back.  

SID: I’m here with Bob Larson, foremost world expert in deliverance, cults and occult groups, and Bob, we’re featuring your new book, it’s a wonderful book, as a matter of fact, you have so many different cults and occult groups mentioned, so that if someone says something and you feel like, well there just might be something wrong with it, you look it up in the book, it’s written in such a simplistic fashion, you find out its roots, its origins, why its wrong and what to do about it. I think that every believer in the Messiah needs this book and if you are not a believer in the Messiah you doubly need this book, what kind of results are you getting from people reading this?

BOB: Absolutely fascinating, peoples reaction they after give me is just, “I can’t believe this.” We had a woman who came to one of our conferences, and she was a massage therapist and a very sweet Christian girl. She said, “I looked at this book, I think I’m doing something wrong.” I said, “What are you doing?” She said, “Well the person who taught me these therapies did hot stone therapy.” I said well you know a nice hot rock to relax with is not a bad idea, but she said there’s more to it than that. They told me to lay these stones at the location of the seven chakras and in doing so I would spiritually enlighten the people. She said according to your book I’ve done something wrong. And I said well lets pray about it, I said just renounce what you’ve done. And when she began to speak the words they would not come out of her mouth and she had to go through a full- blown exorcism to get free from that. She was innocent; she didn’t know what she was doing

SID: the blind leading the blind.

BOB: The blind leading the blind. But ignorance is no excuse in spiritual law.

SID: So you are touching something. What about a massage therapist that says I’ve got healing hands and when I give you a massage I think good thoughts and you, is there anything wrong with that?

BOB: Let me tell you another story, I had some people come to me with a child paralyzed from birth in a wheelchair, and I began to delve into this and I said well you know the only way the devil gets that child if this is of the devil and not simply an organic disease is through the parents, so lets talk to you about the entries of your life. And I began to work with the mother and she actually manifested demons right on the spot. I said, “How did you get this child?” And it said the aunt; I said the aunt, what’s the aunt got to do with it? And the spirit said aka. And I talked to this woman and said you have a sister. Yeah, she’s a massage aka practitioner. What happened was one time she had left the aunt to baby-sit her child, and this aunt did this energy distribution, passing the hands over the baby, and actually put spirits into the little baby, which were spirits of infirmity that had paralyzed this child.

SID: What about something as innocuous as yoga, especially the exercises, which they lower blood pressure, they relax people, they limber them up, what’s wrong with that?

BOB: Yoga is a Sanskrit word that means yoked with or in union with God.

SID: So every Christian, every Messianic Jew should want to be yoked with any union with God.

BOB: The catch is the definition of God, and it’s the god of ultimate unitary conscientiousness of the enlightenment, the Brahman if you will of Hinduism. And all the classic yoga texts teach this. In fact the classic yoga texts warn you cannot separate yoga from Hinduism. You cannot do it, they tell you this outright and they become very angry when Americans try to do this because they say it can’t be done and I believe them.

SID: Okay, someone doesn’t, forget Hindu, smindu, all they want is exercise, its good exercise Bob, what’s wrong with that?

BOB: I do good exercise, Sid, I have a

SID: No forget what you do, what’s wrong

BOB: No, no, no, no, I have a stretching routine every single day and some of what I do can resemble certain yoga positions, but I am not practicing the world-view and all the accoutrements of it, I am not putting myself in a body posture and calling them after names of Hindu gods and goddesses and various animals. I’m simply stretching my muscles. The difference is in the process of yoga you don’t do one or two stretching positions, you do a whole routine, all of which is designed just like just like a radio to tune you into the spirit world and to awaken these chakras which I believe are some kind of locale in the body of spirituality and the devil knows that.

SID: Tell me about some people that have been involved in yoga that you had to pray that evil spirits leave.

BOB: I’ve had so many I can’t begin to tell you who just went for, like Hoffa yoga that just went for the physical yoga

SID: Yes.

BOB: And they picked this stuff up along the way. And I remember one particular woman all I did was just take a Bible and run it up her spine and in doing so called forth seven demons which were in the spine. I remember another man, a very prominent businessman came to me and he had been involved in this and the Lord spoke to me and said take your Bible and put it right there in the seventh chakras, and he was just sitting there calmly, when I put the Bible there and said I come against the psychic third eye, the seventh chakras, this guy just went berserk, he said oh my God what’s that? And I said this is what you got doing yoga and it becomes localized. See the whole purpose of yoga is to achieve a psychosexual union between shockte and shiva. Shiva is the third member of the trinity of Hinduism, the destroyer, the death angel if you will, linked with shockte who is the female consort and the two of them come together, this is the whole purpose for yoga. There is a whole field called tatra yoga, which is designed to create demonic sexual arousal.

SID: Listen you’re stirring a lot of things up right now

BOB: Good.

SID: I want to find out about Zen Buddhism, I want to find out about the movie, Star Wars, we’ll be right back after this word. 

SID: Sid Roth here with Bob Larson. Bob is the worlds foremost leader in understanding, you’ve probably seen him on Oprah, or Larry King, or any of the other popular shows, but one of the most foremost spokesman on behalf of deliverance, cults, occults, as a matter of fact I have your brand new book called “Larson’s Book of World Religions.” Why did you write this?

BOB: Well first of all to give people an understanding of the place that Judaism and Christianity play in the larger picture of religion. So the book starts out, you can’t understand what cults do until you understand the fountain of cults, which is Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Daoism, and the so called great religions of the world, and then from there I move into the basic concepts, you have to understand what words like meditation, enlightenment, reincarnation, these things that are bandied about to give you a foundation. And then we move into hundreds of specific cults and show you this root structure manifested in all these belief systems.

SID: You know, I couldn’t believe, we were talking previous to this interview and you said in England they asked for the number one religion, what was it?

BOB: Stars Wars, or The Force, or Jedi. In fact the same thing happened in New Zealand, they did a poll there and they found out that, I believe that it was about fifty percent of the people put down as their religious preference Jedi Knights.