Sid:  My guest, Grace Williams has just come out with a new CD called “Take Me Away” we’ve had her on before with her first CD “Fire Fall” and I was so impressed with that, but as far as I’m concerned the CD that I use for my regular soaking time daily is “Take Me Away.”   And we’re finding out some very supernatural things.  I mean the devil tried to snuff her life out just as she was born and I kind of think that’s even though her mother Jerry wasn’t even a believer at the time, she knew enough to know to call her new born baby Grace.  And at four years of age, as some children will do, they see a piano and they walk up to it and they make a lot of noise, Jerry tell me about age four when Grace first saw a piano, what happened?

Jerry:  Yes, we did not have a piano in our home and she had never seen one, we went to a neighbor’s house for a Bible study and they had a rickety old piano that was missing a few keys and she walked over to it.  She reached up and put her pudgy little hands on those keys and she looked at me and said, “Momma I want one of these!”  So her little spirit man…

Sid:  Now, Grace can you remember that at all?

Grace:  Yes, I do it’s really awesome because basically my first memory as a child is being filled with the Holy Spirit that was the first memory.  And then the second memory I remember, I mean vividly, it’s like I remember as if it were yesterday; this friend’s house, I could picture it today and this piano and me going over there.  And it was literally like my spirit was so drawn to this object I had never seen before, but it was like I had found my calling, I had found my destiny at that young age and something inside of me just leapt and I knew that that was part of my destiny and part of what God had planned for me.

Sid:  Well, and then you really got a clue from God when you had an angelic visitation at age seven, tell me about that.

Grace: Yes, and I really believe it was a destiny dream; a destiny vision that God you know gives us very often in our life and that was really my first destiny dream I had had.  And I literally saw my music circling the world, it was going around just in these beautiful, for those you that read music you know how it’s like a long, the musical notes and the staff I could literally see them like this beautiful ribbon encircling the earth and touching the utter most parts of the earth.  And these music notes were like bursting forth and they were just shining forth with God’s love and it was almost as if they were exploding and going into you know these different regions and they were releasing God’s love, God’s glory, God’s healing whatever people needed, it was like bursting forth in these musical notes which are the Heavenly songs, the sounds of Heaven.  It’s not something I do it’s something God pours forth and I just say yes Lord, just flow through me, do what only you can do so.

Sid:  What does “Take Me Away” and that the title of your new CD, what does that mean to you?

Grace:  That means take me away into the presence, take me away into the secret place, because we know I’ve discovered in my journey, as a daughter of God, as a worshipper that one moment in God’s presence can change everything.  And that’s what’s so powerful about being in that presence.  Being in that secret place, you know it takes one moment to shift mine sets to shift into a healing to shift into a breakthrough.  And it’s so powerful, I like to think of it as strong medicine, you know.  It’s like we only need small moments in His presence to reshape and change everything.

Sid:  Well, you know doctors say that stress is like a common denominator for the roots of just about every sickness under the sun and I can’t think of anything that would put you in a stress less environment than your music saturating someone’s home.

Grace:  Yes, yes its powerful Sid when you talk about that the physical body actually retains stress.

Sid:  I know and do you know what happens, I don’t believe it I drive a car, I feel as calm as can be and I get out of the car and I take my blood pressure and it’s high.  So my body doesn’t know what my mind thinks is going on.  Somehow the body reacts to all the stimulus that’s going on all around it.

Grace:  Yes, because we were made to worship Him Sid, we were created to worship Him so our physical body responds to that presence, it responds to that worship.  And that’s why it’s so awesome when we soak in His presence you know, it’s like sometimes when you have stains on your laundry or whatever, you have to put it into the soaking sink for a little bit and put some detergent on there and I think about that as the presence of God.  You know when we have stains, when we have issues, when we need healing we have these things that need to be removed and only the presence of God and soaking and spending that time in His presence can remove those stains and take them away and bring us that freshness, that newness.

Sid:  What do you want to be taken away into His presence?  Do you want to be taken away into the secret place?  Let’s have the title song of the CD “Take Me Away” lets have a selection from that.  “Take Me Away.”

“Take Me Away” excerpt

Sid:  That was from the brand new CD “Take Me Away” the title song actually called “Take Me Away.”  Take me away into the presence of God and you know in your last CD Grace, you had so many testimonies of people that insomnia that were able to sleep through the night by just having this music quietly in the background, but I think that this CD will do even a better job of that.  I know that it’s new, but are you getting any reports along those lines?

Grace:  We are, we are getting reports of people having that overwhelming peace, you know it’s a very turbulent and stressful time for so many people.  And I just got an email in fact from a woman and she said, “This past year she said I’ve gone through everything imaginable and then some and I stumbled across your music and she said this CD, she downloaded some songs and she said this CD has brought me such incredible peace.  She said the it’s the only CD that I listen to now because I just keep it going in my car, on my computer and in my home because it brings such incredible peace and such incredible presence she said, I know that this has been a tool that God has used to sustain me

 

 

 

Sid:  And I have to tell you something, I look forward everyday and lately I have a big confession I haven’t been able to do it the last few days because things have just been so hectic, but do you know what when things are so hectic that’s even more reason to spend time with God.  But, I just take about an hour and I close my door, I put a little sign “in prayer” and I put a CD on and I soak in the presence of God.  And see the soaking in the presence of God is accumulative and the more I soak the more the presence of God that is released through my life.  And one of my favorite soaking CDs was by Grace Williams and it’s called “Fire Fall” and then she sent me a gift of her second CD.  And I have to tell you that normally when someone has a top music CD, when they come out with a second one it usually doesn’t, to me it is not as good as the first one that was the hit.  Well, this new one is called “Take Me Away” and I have to tell you from my perception it out does “Fire Fall” and so I was so exciting that I invited Grace Williams and her mother Jerry to be guests again.  And Jerry for those that did not hear our first interview, I am very very intrigued at your ancestry; your great great great grandfather was someone I wish I had met.  Tell us about him.

Jerry:  He was a preacher on holiness that was mantled with a tangible glory of God.  He went up and down the coast of California, right before the Civil War.  And it was written of him when he was in San Francisco, which was a very debauched outlaw, sailor town at that time.  When he sent in and preached he glowed in the pulpit, he burned, his words poured forth in a mouton flood and his face shone like he had a furnace heated within.  And it was so amazing that they said that you could feel the mighty blast of God’s blowing breath.  He was actually transfigured before the people as he preached holiness.  He actually traveled on horseback up and down the coast of California into Oregon and in his journals that God has been entrusted into me his fingers were frozen almost too stiff to write and he had to reach the military post by night or else he would be attacked by the Indians and he was a great man of courage. 

Sid:  Abraham Lincoln visited his church.

Grace:  Yes, he did.  He was at one time a Methodist circuit rider preacher up the east and Abraham Lincoln actually came to his church.  So you know he wasn’t religious because I know that Abraham Lincoln was not a religious man but a godly man that loved Spirit and Truth.  So…

Sid:  Well, I have some notes here about this great, great, great grandfather of yours and the prayer for his sons and daughters of which that’s you and that’s your daughter and the prayer was “The fire that burns within me will be their heritage.”

Jerry:  Yes.

Sid:  And now let’s talk about your daughter, Grace.  She had an attack on her life from the very beginning, she should have died.  Tell me about that briefly.

Jerry:  Yes, she was born premature and there was water on her lungs and her chest would concave inches, one or two inches just to breath.  And she was given up that she would not live and then miraculous the Lord came in and breathed on her and she was made whole and divinely healed.  And her lungs today she uses her lungs for His Glory, so He’s so amazing.

Sid:  Isn’t it amazing though here she is a singer and where is the attack?  On her lungs!

Jerry:  Yes.

Sid:  I mean, you don’t have to be a mental giant to see that the devil tried to snuff her life out.  And then the other thing that intrigues me immensely about her is that when she was just three years of age she was filled with the Spirit and spoke in tongues.  How’d you pull that off Jerry?

Jerry:  That was an amazing encounter which is God’s grace because I was rocking her older sister and trying to encourage her to be filled with the Spirit and I just heard these little melodies from heaven laughing over in the corner, it was Grace.  She was just a toddler cruising around and the first thing I knew she was singing and praying in the Spirit.  She just picked up from the atmosphere in the room.

Sid:  Why did you call her Grace?

Jerry:  I called her Grace because when God did something that we were incapable of doing ourselves with His grace, that which we cannot do and He alone can do.  So how he saved her and…

Sid: Now did you have the name Grace before she was born or after?

Grace:  After she was born because I was not particularly a believer at that time and I know after He healed her we literally felt the presence of God, the atmosphere of Heaven come in.

Sid:  Speaking of the presence of God in the atmosphere of Heaven, let’s hear that selection from this new CD “Take Me Away.”

CD “Take Me Away” worship excerpt (about 4 minutes)

Sid:  Grace tell me what was going on inside of you when you were recording this CD “Take Me Away?”

Grace:  Well as the Lord was shaping my newest CD “Take Me Away” He spoke to me that this would be a musical revelation, a prophetic impartation of Psalm 91.  And that Psalm is so beautiful because it talks about being hidden in God and being hidden in the shelter of the Almighty.

Sid: It also talks about every conceivable problem a human could have in this life.  So if someone could get that impartation from music, wow!

Grace:  Yes, the overall theme is fear nothing, you know God is with you His outstretched arms are there to protect you, you are safe.  And exactly what you said, there’s going to be, there’s wolves and there’s going to be snakes, but we through you know God’s protection we are going to trample on these snakes.  No evil, no evil can even get close to us when we have His angels to guard us and keep us and protect us and it is such a safe place being hidden in the shelter of the Almighty.

Sid:  Well, I can tell you one thing, since I personally use this and this is my favorite soaking music I can tell you that my office reeks of peace.  Has anyone said to you, “They feel such peace on your music?”

Grace:  Oh yes, we have testimonies all the time.

Sid:  Oops, our time is up.

 

 

 

 

 

Sid:   I have my good friend Dr. Michael Brown on the telephone and he is a linguistic scholar, he speaks, reads or writes over a dozen Semitic languages, graduated from graduate school in New York University.  And I was talking to him the other day and he told me something that got me upset.  His newest book, no major publisher, even Christian would touch it and I said, well I think that it’s important.  Mike tell me how this book came into being.

Mike:  Sid God jolted me about six years ago with the word reach out and resist and he was specifically talking to me about the homosexual community.  This hadn’t been on my radar as a heterosexual when I was dealing with sin issues in the body and sexual sins.  I was mainly focused on heterosexual issues through the years.  We moved to Charlotte in 2003 and in 2004 some of our folks were invited to do some outreach at a gay pride event in our city.  I’m thinking Charlotte, nice conservative city, well to our shock there are all kinds of vulgarities and things happening in the park.  Out people that were in there just to share the gospel were escorted out of the park by police and God began to speak to me.  You’ve got to do something to turn back the tide of homosexual activism in America.  It was completely out of the blue and He spoke to me reach out and resist meaning reach out to the people; those who identifies homosexual, bisexual, transgender reach out to the people with compassion…

Sid:  Now, I have to interject something and I can say this because I have seen this first hand.  Part of me gets even a little upset Mike when I’ve seen you in a different arena, when you debate Rabbis you’re so loving and so kind that and I want you to loving and kind, but I want you to win the argument and so I’m sure that when you start talking about the homosexual issue you’re especially loving and kind.

Mike:  Yea, the fact is people have suffered a whole lot of rejection, misunderstanding, many people that have come out of homosexuality did it to spite the church, in other words they felt put out, they felt like the church as saying you’re the worst of all sinners.  They say oo if I sit next to them I’m going to get aids, what is the matter with you?  And there is a lot of sensitivity there so the moment you address these issues it becomes highly inflammatory.  It is like somebody’s that’s got a burn on their skin and you just touch them and they scream.  That’s how it is with these issues.  And the word that I got was reach out to the people with compassion; resist the agenda with courage, Sid I’m telling you all hell breaks loose when you do that.  Here I’m a Jew; I have been called Adolph Hitler; I have been called the Jihadist; I have been called psychopath; you name it I’ve been called it simply by saying God has a better way than homosexuality.

Sid:   You know I’m reminded of you did a public forum; I believe it was in the Charlotte, North Carolina area on the subject of “Can You be Gay Christian.”  There was one gay person that came and their comment was very telling.

Mike:  Yeah well, let me first say that when we announced that we were doing a forum we did one year; “Homosexuality the Church and Society” and next year “Can You be Gay and Christian?”  We began to get letters to the Charlotte Observer calling me Ku Klux Klan, associating me with Nazis.  We got branded every way you can be branded to the point that the Charlotte Observer wrote and Editorial defending me and this is a newspaper that’s known more with liberal stands and when I did this Forum, when I reached out and when we taught on can you be Gay and Christian?  I’ve actually had people come sit with me; some they claim to be Gay Christians, so okay I have misjudged you now that I have really heard your heart, now that I have really gotten to know you I realized that I have misjudged who they really are because they thought that I was just some conservative political activist; they still rail against me and write against me and attack me and Sid the church is drawing back from this.  People are afraid to discuss it.  I talked to a board member of mine who is a mega pastor in one of our big cities in America; he has a congregation of over 5,000 people he said that every mega pastor that he meets with in his city has pulled away from this issue; their afraid to talk about it.  And God laid on my heart right a book; not just for the church but for the world that will awaken the conscience of the nation.  It has to be supernatural for this to happen we’re depending on God in prayer and fasting every step of the way here.  And He spoke to me, write a book that will awaken the conscience of the nation and drop the title in my heart “A Queer Thing Happened to America.”  You have to remember the word queer for years now has been hipster it has been cool; queer eye for the straight guy.  Queer studies in college; you’ve got children in elementary school learning terms like gender queer; you’ve got queer theology programs; I own the Queer Bible Commentary you name it.  So I use this with an obvious double meaning “A Queer Think Happened to America.”  Even though I have written twenty books Sid, even though I have written for major publishers, no major publisher would touch this.  I’ve never worked with an agent, but I was hooked up with one of the top Christian agents in America who works for some of the biggest Christian authors in America and they began to farm this out to different potential publishers, secular and Christian; everyone of them came back with response the title has to change and most all of them said the contents are too controversial.  Sid, we got the point that controversial things can happen in our society from preschool up through college, up through our churches, up through our government; all these things can happen and if we dare talk about them even with love and grace we are branded.  The hate mongers, bigoted, intolerant, the church is losing its voice here and everyone needs to understand this and this is based Sid, on careful research now those who came out of the closet forty years ago fighting for what they felt was their rights, fighting for equality and tolerance.  They came out of the closet forty years ago and they began to say we demand our rights they began to look at conservative Christians, in particular believers and said we demand that you recognize our rights.  Then they began to take away our rights and next thing Sid, they want to put you and me in the closet.  There are countries where if we did this interview on the radio it would be band and we would even be threatened with a jail sentence.

Sid:   As a matter a fact we are on the air in some of those countries and we’ll have to not play this particular show.  Now you make a statement “Our children are at stake, not through sexual predators but reeducation.”

Mike:  Some Christians think that every homosexual is a sexual predator and that every homosexual is into sex with children and therefore, oh no their trying to teach in our schools because their sexual predators.  That of course is a terrible misconception and we ought not to think like that that every homosexual is out for my kids.  That being said, they certainly, those that are in the educational field, which is a high percentage actually, they certainly want to influence and change the thinking of our children.  Sid, I was on the Tiara Banks Show just a year ago and the show was on transgender children; these are kids that feel their trapped in the wrong bodies.  I was the only one on a one hour program saying there’s something wrong with the boy going to school (seven years old) dressed like a girl.  I was the only one saying that there’s something wrong with giving hormone blockers to this kid as they get older and then setting him up for sex surgery as a teenager.  What’s being taught in the schools is such now there is something called the riddle homophobia scale that’s being used in some schools; especially in high schools and they have four categories of homophobic attitudes.  And four categories of positive attitudes.  Do you know that tolerance and acceptance are now considered homophobic?  Instead our schools, they want our kids to celebrate and nurture homosexuality?  You’re talking about reprogramming of kids, we’re talking about kids in nursery school having readers the standard “Heather has two Mommies and One dad,”  “Two Dads Stuff.”  The very…

Sid:   And, I think about when I was in school and it was a shame for someone to be homosexual, now the shame is on the person that says the Bible says this is not what God wants. 

Mike:  You are 100% right, it is now shameful to stand against something that was considered shameful.  Sid there are pastors listening to us and right now their convicted by the Spirit because their ashamed to say that homosexual practices is sin. We recognize…

Sid:   There are homosexuals in churches throughout America, the pastors know they’re homosexuals, their good tithers and they don’t state publically that its sin.

Mike:  We have gotten so compromised, look this is the fruit we’ve talked about this for years little over twenty years ago Sid you were one of the first to get behind my book “End of the American Gospel Enterprise” when we talked about the need to awakening in the church and to preach the gospel again and to speak the truth and to sound an alarm; and to call for revival.  This is just another symptom of a man pleasing mentality, a mentality that would rather offend God then offend people.  Look we don’t want to be branded as hateful, intolerant, bigoted and this has become such a hot button issue and so many pastors, so many leaders are afraid of offending and driving people away or losing the tithe or whatever it is, that they would rather have a compromise position.  I want to bring a prophetic warning Sid, those that are afraid to stand for righteousness, to stand against same sex marriage, stand against the recent decision “Don’t ask don’t tell in the military” because they say I don’t want to get political.  I’m telling you the next thing they will no longer be able to preach that God can change homosexual men and women and the next thing they will not be allowed to preach that homosexuality is sin.  The stuff that is in my book…

Sid:   I’ll tell you what concerns me, that concerns me what you’re saying but what concerns me are my children, my grand children, my great grand children.  They’re going to grow up thinking homosexuality is normal.

Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here with Dr. Michael Brown. And Michael, when I heard what happened in the White House it was amazing. It was mind blowing to me. Let’s start out with the Stonewall riots. Explain that.

Michael: Okay. It’s on the heels of the counter culture revolution, sexual revolution of the ’60s, 1969, there’s a gay bar that’s raided, Stonewall Inn, and some of the drag queens, they had had it with being arrested all the time and so on. So they decided to fight back and it ended up being full blow riots. The police had to hide for their lives and tried to set the place on fire, police vans attacked. It was ugly riots for a few days. That’s the beginning of what’s called the gay liberation movement or the gay rights movement, traced back to Stonewall. That’s why June is called Gay Pride Month. In fact, our president now has formerly recognized that the last two years as Gay Pride Month and on the 40th anniversary of Stonewall, Sid, remember, these were riots where the police were attacked by drag queens and others. Forty years later, Mr. Obama welcomes 300 gay activists to the White House.

Sid: So that’s almost like the difference between a protester and someone tossing a bomb. I mean, it was violent.

Michael: Yeah. They were angry. They were pent up. They felt years of discrimination. In their viewpoint, we’ve been oppressed, we’ve been discriminated against, time to fight back. The bottom line is there were riots and they were violent. Okay. So President Obama, our president, welcomes 300 gay activists to the White House, June of 2009, and says welcome.

President Obama: Welcome to your White House.

Michael: And assures them that the goals of gay activism will be realized in this administration. And Sid, some of them have happened with the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell in the military, with further push to legalize same-sex marriage across the country with undermining other foundations. Again, just the foundations of human life in society, things are in a precarious position. And I’m in ministry, Sid. We work to get missionaries on the field to reach Jewish people with the Gospel. People say, why deal with this? Well one, out of obedience to God. But two, we have no choice because pastors say, I don’t want to get involved in politics. Forget politics.

Sid: Listen, in churches there are gay couples. And by the way, I would like a gay couple in any church in America, but I would like the pastor to state what the Bible says so someone can repent and get whole.

Michael: Here’s the deal.

Sid: But they don’t say it in churches.

Michael: No, because you don’t want to offend. We’ve gotten this thing, I’d rather save my life for political expediency or to keep my ties to whatever it is than speak the truth. And now, listen, pastors say, I don’t want to get involved with politics. Okay. How about just preaching the Word and saying with love, adulterous practice is sin and drunkenness is sin and any sex outside of wedlock is sin, and homosexual practice is sin, and God has a better way. Why not say that? If we’re afraid to say that, the day will soon come, as is the case in other countries, where you could actually go to jail for preaching against homosexuality.

Sid: Tell me about David Parker.

Michael: David and Tanya Parker, parents of an elementary school kid, Kindergarten, first grade, a little kid, six years old, he goes to school, he comes home with a diversity bag. “Diversity” is the code word normally for gay activism. Comes home with a diversity bag. In it is a book, “Who’s in a Family?” And who’s in a family? Could be mom and dad, could be two moms, could be two dads. So he writes to the school and says, “I have a problem with this being taught without our notification. If this is going to be taught in school…”

Sid: I have a problem with it being taught, period.

Michael: But why is the school teaching this?

Sid: Needless to say, I need notification. Okay. So he says that.

Michael: So they tell him no, you can’t have notification. Well it ends up going to court. And the courts rule and the Supreme Courts refuse to hear the case. So this is law right now. The courts rule it is more important to teach diversity than to honor the requests of the parents. And the superintendent of schools then informs someone else that wrote and requested, and they said, no, no, I guess you don’t know the laws. They said, “But our teachers can teach on this whenever they want, so we couldn’t notify you even if we wanted to.” Plus same-sex marriage is legal in Massachusetts, so what’s the deal?

Sid: Tell me about Julia Ward.

Michael: For people who think we are like Chicken Little running around saying, “The sky is falling,” Sid, in my book, “A Queer Thing Happened to America”, anyone can read it.

Sid: Why did you name it that? That is, you know, what excites someone to be very upset with a title like that.

Michael: Sid, we got “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy”. We’ve got books like “Queering Elementary Education”. We’ve got books on queer theology, queer Bible commentary. I was flying home from California yesterday talking to a lesbian gal. She heard the title of the book. She said, “Why would anyone think that’s offensive?” It’s just that queer is cool these days. So in my book, I document this, Sid, carefully. If we had a hundred hours of TV program, I’d give you a hundred hours of examples. Julia Ward, she’s a mature African-American woman. She’s in a graduate program doing fine in a counseling program in Michigan. And part of what they have to do as interns is they have to counsel people. She’s given a homosexual client and told, you need to affirm this person’s gay relationship. So she goes to her professor and supervisor and says, “You know, I can’t do that as a Christian. What would you recommend that I do?” And they said, well just refer the person to someone else. She said, “I’m happy to counsel them. I just can’t affirm their homosexual relationship as a Christian.” “No problem.” Oh, it became a problem. She was called on the carpet by the university. She was subjected to an inquisition. She was accused of being bigoted and intolerant with her views. She was kicked out of the program, Sid. This woman, Julia Ward, has been kicked out of the university program because she said, “As a Christian, I cannot affirm someone in a homosexual relationship.”

Sid: Something is queer about America. I understand why a secular publisher did not want to publish this book. I don’t understand why a Christian publisher, Christian publishers you approached, it was too hot for them. We’ll be right back. I want to find out can a homosexual be Christian. Is it compatible? Don’t go away.

Sid:  We want everyone everywhere to be mentored in the supernatural.  Could you image how we could speed up the return of the Messiah if all of His children were doing the same things that Jesus did and even greater?  That’s why I put together the book “Supernatural Experiences” the ten best supernatural experiences in over thirty years of interviewing people in the supernatural with prayers of impartation.  It’s sort of like when, you could have walked with Jesus and observed everything that he did, get it in your spirit and then have him pay a prayer of impartation.  That’s what this book is.  I want to go to my friend, Gary Wood.  Gary was in an auto accident and he died and he had one of the best guided tours of Heaven, in fact he was told three signs for us to know of the Messiah’s imminent return.  Let’s go to that interview.

Gary:  Later I would learn what happened.  We actually crashed into the back of a ten ton wrecker truck that was illegally parked on the edge of the highway, late that evening.  And I was caught up in a cloud and angels literally put their wings underneath me and lifted me up and began to carry me out of my body into the realm that’s known as eternity.  And they began to sing worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive glory and power, wisdom and dominion.

Sid:  Did you know what was going on at that time or were you just totally confused?

Gary:  Well, there was no confusion; there was just absolute peacefulness, Sid.  Just tranquility, joy beyond anything that I’d ever experienced and total absence of pain.

Sid:  Get me so hungry for my real home.  Paint me a picture of what you observed with your eyes in Heaven.

Gary:  Well, I saw the twelve foundations of the city with the bottom one being jasper, that’s stands for diamonds; in Exodus chapter 28 the Bible talks about the stones on the high priest breast plate and the first foundation, is jasper, the second is sapphire which is blue, the third is , chalcedony, a combination of grey blue and yellow, emerald, sardis (blood red), crystallite, barrel which is bluish green, topaz (which is pale green or golden) just image all of those colors and the combination of them.  The twelfth is purple and it may not mean anything but a scientist put into his computer and he discovered it takes seven of this worlds’ accumulative wealth just to garnish one of the foundational stones of this beautiful city.  I saw twelve gates of pearl where the twelve tribes of Israel written upon them.  Heaven is as large as from the most northern part of Main to the most southern part of Florida.  From the Atlantic Ocean to the Rocky Mountains, but the Bible says in my Father’s house are many mansions and if it were no so I would have told you.  And I actually saw my mansion.  I went into my mansion that I will live in for all eternity.  I went into a library that contained a prayer request in it.  It showed books where we grow in our walk with God.  And then it also showed people that we have won to the Lord and I literally saw…

Sid:  Are you telling me that there are books with say your name and then the name of the people you won to the Lord.  Is that what you are saying?

Gary:  That’s exactly what I’m saying, because the most important thing to the heart of God is winning people to Jesus.  And Sid, I actually saw this, I saw a man come down and accept Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Savior at an altar and then there were people in Heaven and they were sitting on the hillside in like bleachers and they were cheering for us.  They were pulling for us.  You know in essence they were saying, hey I’ve been faithful, I’ve run my race, I’ve done what I was assigned to do and now you fulfill your calling and come join us here in this beautiful place.

Sid:  So, you’re telling me the people in Heaven actually can see things that are going on earth?

Gary:  I believe the good things.  I don’t believe they observe and watch all the tragedies and the bad things but they’re there according to Hebrews chapter 12 and they are looking down and they’re pulling for us.  And they’re believing that we’re going to be faithful in our walk with God and we’re going to finish the race that we started off.

Sid:  You actually saw this whole transaction of someone accepting the Lord and what happens with the books up in Heaven?  Explain that.

Gary:  Well as soon as he accepted Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Savior the angels went to the Lamb’s book of life.  Now this was just a big giant book covered in Lamb’s wool and they opened it up and they recorded this person’s life.  They wrote it down.  It was in blood red and it would say, they’d write the name of the person and then it would say paid in full by the precious red blood of Jesus.  And I saw my own name written like that.  The name that I was adopted under.  Because I had received Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior and I actually saw my name written in the Lamb’s book of life.

Sid:  Tell me about my favorite room in Heaven, the parts room.

Gary:  You know this…

Sid:  Maybe that could be my mansion; I wouldn’t mind having that as my mansion.  But go ahead.

Gary:  Yes, it’s one of my favorite parts of the whole experience, after I came out of throne room of God and about five hundred yards from the throne room of God is the spare parts room; where the sign on the outside of the door that says, unclaimed blessings.  And I remember walking up there and walking in and there were legs hanging on the wall.  There were every part of one’s anatomy there in that room.  And people always say to me, well why would there need to be a room like that?  Because God has a spare part room.  God has a miracle room.

Sid:  What did you see with your eyes in the spare parts room?

Gary:  I saw every part, I saw hands, I saw arms, I saw legs, I saw every part, every organ of your body.  And it’s available and I watched as people on earth would pray and the prayers would go up, the angels would receive the prayers, they would go to the spare parts room and they would get that specific miracle.  Whatever it was a new part for the ears, a new part for the spinal column, a new kidney, whatever it was and they would go.  But many times those angels would have to fight the principalities and powers and you remember the story, people that read the Bible know the story about Daniel.  He had to wait twenty-one days but the moment Daniel prayed, that angel had left Heaven and was on his way but it got hindered.  And so there’s things in the spirit realm that will hinder our prayers, but you got to keep on standing, keep on confessing and believing.  And Sid, I saw the angels come and start to give a miracle to people and here’s what I heard.  I heard people say; well it just must not be for today.  It must not be that God wants to heal me.

Sid:  Now, I’m told that when people go to Heaven, someone they knew that made it to Heaven greets them.  Who greeted you?

Gary:  My best friend, John that had died in a horrible accident in high school that literally took his head off his body and we exchanged greetings and I knew him and which answers in my mind, will we know one another in Heaven?  And the scripture verifies it Matthew 8:11 “Sitting down with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.” it says.  So, I knew my friend and we’ll know our loved ones, you know there’s someone assigned to you when you cross over to the other side to this place called Heaven.

Sid:  You were in this auto accident and you had all the damage done to your body, when you came back you had a crushed larynx and that’s really intrigues me and you were told you would never speak and of course your passion was singing.  You would never sing again.  What happed to that crushed larynx?

Gary:  Jesus walked into the hospital room and he literally came in while there was a song playing that “He touched me on the radio.”  And I was listening to that song and Jesus just walked into my hospital room, put His hand on my throat and I looked down at those beautiful eyes of his and he smiled at me and He walked out. A little nurse walked in immediately afterwards come in to serve me a meal and I threw my hands up and said praise God, I’ve been healed and I’ve been talking ever since.

Sid:  But they x-rayed you and they have found your larynx is still crushed.  So how can you be speaking?

Gary:  It’s a miracle.  It’s a miracle.  It’s the only way I can, and it’s been verified by medical doctors.

Sid:  That was my friend, Gary Wood and when Gary came back from Heaven, he had been in an auto crash and he had died, but when he came back from Heaven his vocal chords, his larynx were totally crushed.  Do you know he had a miracle?  This man has the most beautiful singing voice, you can’t sing without a vocal cord.  You can’t sing without a larynx.  But he’s able to do it supernaturally.  I want him to mentor you from some of the things he’s learned in Heaven.  I want my friend Steven Brooks who, fifteen years ago Steven had a Heavenly encounter with an angel.  He’s been communicating with angels ever since.  He’s been shown the level of miracles that the last day’s church is going to walk in.  I want you to walk in those levels of miracles.  I want you walk in those type of miracles.  When you read this book of the ten best people I have discovered after thirty-five years of interviewing people in the supernatural, I want them to mentor you and then in the book they pray a prayer of impartation.

And then another person in there Jennifer Toledo, she came from a single family home.  She saw so many miracles as a child that when she went to Kenya and she had hours to live, she had supernatural surgery.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. For the past 35 years, I have been researching the supernatural, and we’ve come down to the top 10 over these 35 years. You see, it’s my passion to equip you, to walk in the supernatural, to be normal, normal according to the Kingdom of God, not according to this world. And what you’re about to see carries that impartation for you to move into the supernatural. It’s going to open your spiritual eyes to be able to see into the invisible world. You’re going to begin to know things about the future. You’re going to be praying for the sick and seeing them healed. You’re going to have heavenly visions and dreams. You know, I wish I had these mentoring tools when I was a brand new Jewish believer in the Messiah. My guest, Earthquake Kelly, he got his name because he’s a professional boxer, and when you got hit by him, you were hit by an earthquake. He was groomed to be the top Voodoo priest for the nation of Haiti. He literally died from a drug overdose and went to Hell. Years later, he died again and he went to Heaven. When he was in Heaven his son, who had been murdered in a drive-by shooting, said to him he had a special assignment for Planet Earth, and then he returned. Let’s take a look at Earthquake.

EARTHQUAKE: I saw an angel who was much taller than I am and he said, “Walk around.” And it was so beautiful as far as you could see, as far as the eye can see. Beautiful flowers like I’d never seen before, Sid. Awesome. And it was like I was just praising God. I looked at the grass and the grass was so well manicured and each blade, it had like a diamond or an emblem in it, and it was just so beautiful. The colors that were there were not like any colors. The environment, the scenery it was just, oh man, it was just so beautiful. And I walked along this river that I saw come out of this big beautiful golden palace, and it was like liquid diamonds and smooth, and the waves of this river. Then I heard a voice, really angels were singing far better than any other choir I had ever heard combined all of them together on Earth could not compare to what I heard and saw there in the trees.

SID: You know, I almost feel like when you’re seeing this, Earthquake, you’re reliving. Are you?

EARTHQUAKE: Oh man.

SID: It almost feels, it’s like you’re in a different realm when you’re talking.

EARTHQUAKE: Yeah, when I talk about that I get homesick.

SID: All right, you saw this river?

EARTHQUAKE: Yes, a river coming out of this big golden palace and it was like, it was moving, all of us working together, the grass swaying, the river moving and the angelic beings that were singing, and the big trees, oh man, it was so big, and they were bowing down to praising God. And there there’s no shadow. I didn’t cast a shadow because the light hit you from all over the place. It’s just a beautiful, radiant, awesome, awesome, awesome place.

SID: But you saw someone.

EARTHQUAKE: Yes, yes.

SID: Tell me about that.

EARTHQUAKE: As I went along to the edge of the river, as I went along the edge of the river, as I walked along the edge of the river I was looking trying to see some of the saints that I knew. I went into an ongoing service, and I saw someone the other side and they saw me. And of course, I was looking for somebody very special. It was my son Scott. And I saw him and he saw me. And I said, “Scott, it’s you. It’s you.” I said, “How do I get over there to the other side where you are?”

SID: There was, what, like a river was separating you?

EARTHQUAKE: Yeah, yeah, between us. I was on one side of the river and he was on the other, and I wanted to get over there to just give him a hug. And he said, “You can’t come in here now, Dad. You have to go back. You made God a promise. You made me a promise that you would go finish the work that you have to do.” And then I said, “No, I want to come over there with you. I don’t want to go back down there no more. I want to stay here in this place.” He said, “No Dad, you’re not finished. You have to go back.” And I was trying to find a boat. I was trying to find a tire, raft, anything to get over there. I didn’t want no more part of coming back here because that place is so awesome. No headaches, Sid. I had a headache, I’m telling you, it was so bad, and having pain. Nothing.

SID: What did you feel like in Heaven?

EARTHQUAKE: Oh man, it’s just, it just, you could describe it the best you can. It’s just like you feel the presence of God everywhere. The love, there’s so much love there, man. It’s just like it’s everywhere you step God is embracing you with His love.

SID: I have never met anyone that has had an experience like you. Even though they love their family and they want to come, you know, they miss their family; the pull is so strong to stay. Is that what happened to you?

EARTHQUAKE: Yeah, yeah. Because the faith that I had in God, I knew my family would be in good hands. I knew that because I know my wife is saved. She loves Jesus and all of that, and I’ll see her later on. But right now I wanted to stay there because I was just enjoying it so much. And to missing them it’s not like you miss people who die here. It’s different. Your mindset, once you get in there, your mindset is completely different. There’s no sorrow. You don’t see missing people as a sorrowful thing. It’s like you know you’re in God’s hands because the love of God is showing you I love them. They’re in my hands, you know. And it’s just beautiful there.

SID: So what did your son say to you?

EARTHQUAKE: He told me, he said, “You have to go back.” And he reminded me, “Dad, you remember when we had that conversation that you promised me that you would finish the work that you have to do.” And he said, “You can’t come with me. You have to finish. You still have a great work to do. There’s people that still need to hear what you have to say.” And that’s exactly what happened. He told me that.

SID: Okay. But you were given instructions of what to say on Earth.

EARTHQUAKE: Right.

SID: Tell me some of the things you were told. Tell me about those little children you saw in Heaven.

EARTHQUAKE: Certainly, certainly. I’d be delighted. As I was being pulled by like an invisible hand back away from where my son was I saw these groups of children running and playing, and having fun, and I wanted to go over there and play with them, you know. And I said, “Wow, look at that. They’re having such a great time. No pain, no sorrow, no nothing.” And that’s when I heard God’s voice. He said, “You’re wondering who those children are, right?” I didn’t say it out of my mouth. It’s like he picked it right up out of my head because the Bibles says [unintelligible] you can ask anything. So God just picked it out of my head. And I said, “Sure. Who are these children?” He said, “These children you see right here, some were killed in wars around the world. Some were murdered. Some were left for dead, and so on and so forth.” He kept saying, “They’re with me now. They’re with me.”

SID: Some, I would imagine, a lot were through abortion, murdered.

EARTHQUAKE: This is the next group he was showing me. There was three groups he showed me.

SID: Oh I see.

EARTHQUAKE: Yeah, three groups of children he showed me.

SID: What was the second group?

EARTHQUAKE: The second group that was playing, He said, “You see these children here?” He said, “I had a purpose for them. I had something in my heart for them to do for me through the Kingdom.” He said, “Because of the sickness and hard-heartedness of men and women, they went and aborted them and sent them back.” And that’s when His voice started changing.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Peggy Joyce Ruth. And I am just overwhelmed over that Thanksgiving miracle. But I mean, you have lived in your own family so many miracles. No wonder that you got that 91st Psalm so deep inside of you and the teaching is so rich on the 91st Psalm. Tell me about your niece, Julie.

PEGGY: My niece was 10 years old and she was thrown from a horse and hit her head on a large rock. Well by the time we got to the larger city where they had taken her they wheeled her bus and I didn’t recognize her. I didn’t even, her head had swollen and the doctor immediately told us that she would not live through the night. Well my brother said, “We have a covenant, a Psalm 91 covenant.” And he said, the doctor said, “Well don’t even try to expect her to live because she will be brain damaged. She will have loss of eyesight. The bone behind her ear is completely crushed. She will not be able to hear.” And my brother turned to us and said, “I have a covenant with Psalm 91 and my daughter will be fine and she will not have brain damage.” In seven days Julie walked out of that hospital, no brain damage, no loss of eyesight, no loss of hearing, and it was a miracle.

SID: And no fair for you as you begin to understand the covenant that you have. Tell me about that woman where the rapist come into her apartment.

PEGGY: Yes. That was Julie Patty and she lived in Fort Worth, Texas. She was getting ready for church. Someone knocked on her door. She just assumed it was one of her friends. She opened the door and this man ran in and grabbed her and took her into the bedroom, and he was prepared to rape her. And she started confessing Psalm 91, and he would just kind of lose his focus, and she said he would just kind of shake his head like he couldn’t figure out what was happening. And this went on for 45 minutes, and she kept confessing Psalm 91. And he would attack her again and he would lose his focus. And one of those times she was able to get out the door. And he had raped many, many women this way. She was the only one that he had not been able to rape and because of Psalm 91.

SID: How does Psalm 91 work with terminal diseases? Like tell me about the woman that had lupus.

PEGGY: Yes, Rene. She’s a good friend of mine. And when she went to the hospital they told her that she had less than three months to live. They told her to go home and get your affairs in order. Well I tell you what, she started quoting Psalm 91, but yet she was getting worse by the day. And the doctor said, “This is gonna happen. You’re gonna get worse and worse until you just pass away.” And she said, “No. I’ve got a Psalm 91 covenant.” And it took months. She did confess this covenant for months. But gradually she started turning around. Her kidneys started functioning again. Her liver began to function again. She got completely well. The doctor finally said, “I can’t explain this, but you have no lupus working in your body.” That was 10 years ago. She went with me to the Philippines about two years ago and we went over and got to witness to the people over there, and it was just wonderful to see her so vibrantly going for God.

SID: Peggy Joyce, for over 35 years you have been studying the 91st Psalm. You have seen person after person rescued out of disaster by this 91st Psalm, starting with yourself. I mean, you must be one grateful person. Would you teach one or two lines from Psalm 91 right now?

PEGGY: Yes, I’ll be happy to. I love Psalm 91, every bit of it. But Verses 5 and 6 are so special because it covers every evil known to man. It talks about, first of all, the terror by night, which includes all of the evil that comes through what another person can do to harm you. It talks about the errors that fly by the day, all of the assignments of the enemy. Then it talks about the pestilence, all the sickness and disease. And then last, it talks about destruction, and that takes in all of the natural disasters, the hurricanes and the tornadoes, and the car wrecks. And it says, “That a thousand will fall at your side, 10,000 at your right hand. But if you dwell in the shelter and believe God’s word,” it says, “it will not approach you for any purpose.” That’s a tremendous promise.

SID: This is God’s promise to you. With long life you will be satisfied. Satisfied. Why? Because God loves you and you have become a disciple, a student of God’s word, and you have a relationship with God, and the relationship begins by telling God that you are sorry for all the mistakes you’ve made. I actually met people that said, “I didn’t make any mistakes.” Oh, you never stole anything? You never lied? You never looked at pornography? You never had sex outside of marriage? You never were addicted to anything? No, no, I wasn’t. Well that’s wonderful. How about if you compare yourself with pure love. Have you been pure love? Of course not. God is love. Compared to God you’re filthy. Repent your sins. Tell Him you’re sorry and believe that the blood of Jesus washes away your sins and then when you’re clean God promises to come live inside of you. Say that out loud and I promise you He promises you with long life you will be satisfied.

Sid:  My guest is red hot for the Messiah, John Paul Jackson; you would be too if this had happened to you.  What it you were a successful business person and all of a sudden you hear a woman on the radio.  You find out that she’s from Israel; you find out that she was told to come to America to look for one particular person.  You find out that a man walks up to her in the airport, she was told to just go to the airport in Tel Aviv and someone will buy your ticket.  A man walks up, gives her the money, the exact money to buy a ticket to the United States.  She comes to the United States.  The person that normally does the radio show was called out of town for three days.  She gets on the radio and she says she is looking for someone that’s running from God’s call in the field of dreams.  John Paul hears her and starts praying that the right young man will call her because several called and she said, well I’m sure you have a gift but you’re not the one that I am looking for.  And then, what did you hear in your spirit John Paul Jackson?

John Paul:  I heard the Lord say to me He said call in, so I called the radio station. You know,  I put a fleece out there that said if it is You, I want to bypass the switch board who is putting everybody on hold, cause there’s lots of calls coming in.  I want to go straight into the control room.  I’ll know that it is you and I thought that settles the issue, I won’t have to talk to anybody now. (Laughing as he shared)So I called the radio station and I was pulling the phone away from my ear for I know that I was going to hear a voice thank you for calling KBTV would you hold please?  Instead I heard thank you for calling KBTV you’re live on the air and I was so caught off guard, I didn’t know what to say Sid.  I was stuttering, stammering stumbling around and finally they said, “Can we help you?”  I said well, “Can we help you young man I said yes, “When I’m close to God I have dreams and visions that come true and I know things before they happen or when I’m not close to God, I know nothing.  That’s all I did.  I was just supposed to call in.  She goes, what took you so long?  What took you so long?  What do you mean?  You’re the young man.  I go “No I’m not, I’m not the young man.”  She said, “Yes you are.”  I said, “No really I’m not, I’m in the corporate world.  I’m very happy in the corporate world.  I don’t think that God has not really called me into the ministry.  And she said, listen to you, you are already arguing with God.  Listen to you.  And I said well, I just don’t know what to do.  And she said, He will show you what to do, you’re the young man He sent me here for.  I said,” how do you know?” She said, “The same voice that said to me “Get up and go to the airport; there will be a man that will give you money, the same voice that said go to Dallas, Texas;  go to this radio station; the same voice that said, you’re the young man; and you are the young man.   Sid that changed my life.

Sid: That’s just a dramatic a call into ministry as I have ever heard.  With all that you have taught, especially with the insight you have into dreams and understanding them.  The insights you have into the last days, though we were talking it on Mondays broadcast.  Why are you putting such an emphasis these days on your CD and DVD set called “Called Keys to Receiving God’ Justice?”

John Paul:  I had an encounter in a dream, sometimes you don’t know whether it was a dream or vision, I just say, I had an encounter and in that the Lord began to talk to me about His names.  And one of the names that He emphasized to me was Jehovah Mish Bat.

Sid:  You know you don’t, you hear emphasis on a lot of His names but that’s not one that I personally hear a lot of emphasis on.

John Paul:  No, it’s not and it came as a total surprise to me.

Sid:  What does that mean exactly?

John Paul:  He is the righteous judge and he wants to give justice to all who believe in him and he wanted, He told me that justice is not being served.  And he told me that my foundation is built on justice and righteousness and if any one of those two are not in operation, His throne would topple.  And it’s available.  Righteousness and justice is available for anyone who would call upon His name.  And He began to ask me and He didn’t tell me the answer.  He began to say, I want you to look this up.  Look this up.  Look at this verse and look at this verse and look at this passage and look at this passage.  So I began to do that and he’d lift it from me and I began to do that and then periodically I had the witness of the Holy Spirit saying, you need to tell this message because in the events that are going to be coming upon the world, justice will still be served in my people. 

 Sid:  You know, if someone were to read or see your special DVD on the “Perfect Storm” they could get very fearful and I believe this is why God has given you this new message.

 John Paul:  Yes it is.  Yes, it is a message that says, in the midst of whatever is going to come your way, hardship or lack of hardship.  All the facets of the five issues of the Perfect Storm or one of the issues of the five issues of the Perfect Storm, justice will still be served to God’s children.  If they call and ask Him for justice they have to ask for justice to be served Him.

Sid: So I can understand this, you say that people have had things stolen from them or from their ancestors that God wants to demonstrate justice in.  Give me an example of things that might have been stolen.

John Paul:  Well, for example there was property that was stolen from a young woman from her great grandfather and this property was several million dollars.  The stealing of that property was an injustice it was illegally taken through a court system and a human court system where a district attorney was paid off.  And so she ends up crying out for justice, her and her husband end up crying out for justice for the theft of this property because; here’s what we may not understand that if curses are passed down to the third and fourth generation.  Curses are the antithesis of blessings.  Blessings are passed down to the third and fourth generation as well. And if you’re robbed of the blessing that was to be passed down to your children and your children’s children or your seed’s seed, as the scripture says, Isaiah says then you experience an injustice and it may have happened to your great grandfather but at the same time your suffering repercussions from the injustice that were perpetrated on that relative.  She began to realize this, heard me talking about this.  She began to pray, her and her husband began to pray for restoration.  What had happened was she had property deal after property deal fall through.  She had had contracts that were voided or bankruptcies of the people that were suppose to buy a piece of commercial property she had and everything just falls through.  So she begins to pray for justice and the next three land deals pieces of land that she had for sale sold within a thirty day period and she was able to buy a piece of land at like one third the price and sell it for ten percent over the actual price.  They got into a bidding war over one of her properties and she sold it for ten percent more the appraisal price was and t that was after praying for God’s justice.  They prayed everyday for the justice of God to be served.

Sid:  Now, I’m trying to find out John Paul how inclusive this message is.  For instance, let me ask you a few questions.  What if someone’s husband has divorced them or wife has divorced them, to me that is an injustice.   Would that be in that category?

John Paul:  That would be in the category as well.

Sid:  What about if children are in drugs?

John Paul:  That would be in that category as well.  You have two issues Sid.  Here is the general dividing line.  You have intrusion and invitation.  The evil one can intrude in our lives or we can invite him into our lives.  If we can invite him into our lives, there is no justice due to our lives.

Sid:  Who would invite the devil into our lives?

John Paul:  Well if I walk up to somebody and kill somebody and I go to jail, I’m not due justice over that issue.

Sid: I got you.

John Paul:  And in fact I did get justice, I got thrown in jail.

Sid:  (laughter) But, there is so much injustice, how about the area of sickness.  If what Jesus did for us, it is not just that a believer be sick.

John Paul:  Right exactly, it is not just that sickness, illness, deformity; any type of mental illness, emotional illness any of those things.  Bipolarizm, schizophrenia nature, there all injustices and justice is due to the person having them and or the children of those people.

John Paul:  I see why you get pretty excited over this teaching because you actually teach people how to implement God’s plan for justice in their life.  But you also talk about that it is not a one for one, you use the analogy in your teaching if someone had a one ton attack in their life then they should get a one ton anointing.   But you say, and when they understand these principles they get a seven ton anointing.

John Paul:  Yes, it’s as equal to a settlement for pain and suffering because, you would think that Satan hit me with a one ton attack or well use that as the metaphor.  If he hit me with a one ton attack justice would be that I get a one ton anointing, but you don’t take into account the pain you suffered.  You don’t take into account the life style that was injured.  You don’t take into account disability issues that may have been there in one form or another.

Sid:  Is it an injustice that we don’t see believers, normal believers walking around normally praying for people and seeing miracles?   That’s not normal in America.

John Paul:  And it should be and I think justice is part of that Sid, I believe that if we would recognize that justice is due we can say, God this illness is an injustice on this person and I pray that you, Jehovah Mish Bat would implement Your Name into this person’s life and that your justice would been seen in the Name of Yeshua we speak justice into this body and removal of any injustice in the Name of the Lord.

Sid:  Woops, our time has slipped away John Paul.  Mishpochah I want you to get this two disk set, one CD and one DVD called “Keys to Receiving God’s Justice.” And then a bonus CD it’s called “Naturally Supernatural” and you are going to be so amazed because in Birmingham, England there was a display of the Supernatural and you can hear people’s reaction the anointing is so strong.

Sid: I’ve got a man that can’t help but be red hot for the Messiah.  His name is Pastor John Kilpatrick and your probably familiar with him because he shepherded the great Father’s Day Revival 1995 Pensacola, Florida. Over four million people came from all over the world.  People’s lives were transformed and back sliders came back.  Pastor John,  I remember the most amazing stories about playboy bunnies that showed up at that church.  But, I tell you the one that is my favorite, my absolute favorite and that is that Orthodox Jewish man that had the brain tumor.  Tell me about that.

Pastor John: He came down from Atlanta and he had a brain tumor almost the size of a baseball in his head and he went to his doctor and he said may I take a trip to Florida and his doctor said absolutely not.  And he said, well am I dying?  He said, yes you are.  Well, what could hurt me going down there if I’m dying anyway?  So the doctor released him and he came down here and when they brought him down here.  And when they brought him in I remember, I met him about 5:30 in the evening and he was so dizzy that the tumor had made his equilibrium so messed up.  His eyes were vibrating side to side he couldn’t even look at you without his eyes vibrating from side to side.  He was nauseated, he was sick, he was vomiting and I remember I went up and just talked to him a little bit and the doors were going to open in about fifteen or twenty minutes and so when they opened, I told them to go ahead and bring him on in and just let him be there when the service started at 7:00.  And usually, back in those days whenever the Spirit of God would start moving in healing it would feel like the sun would come out on a cloudy day.  You know like you feel the sun come out and you can feel it on your exposed skin like your ears and your head and the back of your hands and all that.  Well, we would be worshipping and the Spirit of God would begin to move in the place and if He was going to heal it would feel like the sun would come out.  And me and Steve would not usually say anything about it to everybody because we didn’t want to draw their attention to the sign of what God was doing but whenever we would feel that we would know that healings were taking place.  All of a sudden this man stood up out of his wheelchair and he said, oh my God I’m healed and he just jumped up out of the wheelchair.  Now this is an old man and I went over there to him and I looked at him, his eyes had stopped vibrating from side to side and to make a long story short they took him back to Atlanta.  He walked into the doctor’s office and the doctor’s mouth flew open and he said what in the world.  Well, I went to Florida to that revival like I told you I was going to and I want you to do a MRI.  The doctor said absolutely not.  I know what your MRI looks like from the last time.  He said forget the insurance I’ll pay for it, cash out of my own pocket.  I want another MRI. They did another MRI and his brain tumor was completely gone.  He was so impacted by that healing now, this was an Orthodox Jew.  He brought 30 some odd Jews with him back on Sunday to the service at Brownsville and they were saved and filled with the Holy Spirit every single one of them before they went back home on that Sunday back to Atlanta.  And like the evangelist says here at this revival miracles are usually God’s dinner bell for souls.  So God heals people.

Sid: See, it’s my belief that when Jewish people see the authentic Jewish people, you may not know this John but they are the highest percentage of the leaders in the various cult groups and new age groups are Jewish people.  Because the scriptures say we have a zeal for God but not according to knowledge.  Now I have a theory and I want you to tell me whether you agree with this or not, Pastor John and that is that the reason God has entrusted this revival to you is that you have certain ingredients that are right.  Here are some of the ingredients that I observe from the last revival entrusted to you.  You preach holiness.  There seems to be a specially this younger generation, they don’t discriminate in the movies they see.  They don’t discriminate the dress.  They don’t discriminate on sin issues there’s a lack of holiness that has occurred and many of them, their hungry for God but the holiness is missing.  Then you have it right on Israel, you understand God’s prophetic destiny for Israel and you have a heart for Jewish people to come to know the Messiah.  You’ve been your whole walk in the Lord you have understood the dimension of prayer and worship is key.  I believe these are…if you pull any of these out you wouldn’t have the great revival that God has started again.  That’s what I believe.

Pastor John: A tragedy is, as you well know Sid, a tragedy is so many churches now believe in replacement theology.  They believe that the church has replaced Israel.  I’ve never believed that.  I was raised by a Pastor that brought me up and sired me up in God.  He was my mentor to love and respect Israel. There is not a Sunday that goes by, not one that we don’t pray for Jerusalem.  There is not a service goes by in this revival each week that we don’t pray for Israel and Jerusalem at least once.  When churches by into that replacement theology they don’t really realize it but it grieves the Holy Spirit.  And I believe that worship is important like you said in revival and I believe that preaching holiness is important.  If people don’t hear holiness preached from behind the pulpits of America they are certainly not going to hear it on the evening news.

Sid: There has to be a distinction between a believer and a non believer and when I look at this generation of kids, of young people that are coming to the Lord and I see that the dimension of holiness, there’s no difference between them and the world.  How are they going to be lights in darkness when darkness surely will be here soon?  If they dress like everyone else, they have the tattoos that everyone else has.  They have the earrings that everyone else has.  They go to the same movies, you can’t tell the difference.

Pastor John: I can’t tell you about every pastor cause I’m not every pastor but I will say this, if the pastor does not have a prayer life he’s not going after God.  And if he doesn’t have a relationship of intimacy with the Lord, when he gets up behind that pulpit, he is not going to preach holiness. He is going to try to cater to that crowd.  He’s going to try to develop a seeker sensitive mentality.

Sid: What is going on with the young people to me that’s the bottom line at your church?  What is going on with young kids, the teenagers?

• Pastor John: Well, I’m just amazed from the very first night how the children got in this revival.  From July 23^rd they were right there.  They were weeping the Presence of God; it was the same way at Brownsville revival.  Like I told you, I saw that little girl below the age of five that was my first sight of revival ever and she was below the age of five.  We’re seeing the same thing in this revival we are seeing young people, football teams coming.  We are actually having people leaving the football team to come the revival.

Sid: Is it true, John that doctors’ are sending their patients there?

Pastor John: Absolutely, they are.  They absolutely are, from different states even and they are telling their patients that there is nothing further that I can do for you but I know where there is a revival going on.  I’d like for you to go down there and see what will happen.  It’s amazing what is happening to those patients.  You know, there are times that God heals people instantaneously and then there are times that people start getting better by being in this atmosphere.  They just start getting better, I could you name you so many cases right now where people are better and better and better and better this day, that day, the next day, this week.

Sid:  Alright, our time is slipping away, we are going to talk about that on tomorrow broadcast but Mishpochah I am privileged to make available to you a three CD series called ”Mysteries Revealed”.  And from what I understand a Pastor John, is that you heard the voice of God and He said to you all mysteries will be revealed before I return and then he instantly downloaded this teaching to you.  Why do you believe now, it is happening?  I just got back from a trip and I was so tired and the Lord spoke that to me and I mean I didn’t know what my sermon was to be and the Lord said out of the blue said, tell my people that before my coming all mysteries will be revealed because in Heaven they’ll be no mysteries.  And the Lord is now beginning to show His people things in dreams he speaks to His people in their sleep, it is called night vision where God gives His people, He shows them secrets, He reveals secrets to them.  God revealed secrets to Daniel; it’s not the first time it has ever happened but this time in our dispensation God is still revealing secrets, unraveling mysteries and giving witty inventions even.  The Lord is giving witty inventions for the people to prosper in these days.  He’s showing them things to do and showing them things not to do.  When they wake up they know that God has spoken to them.  And everywhere we travel I’m asking the question, “How many of you, your sleep patterns have changed?”  Hands go up every service.  Almost every hand in the congregation goes up when peoples sleep patterns are being changed. God’s speaking to his people.  Even the lay people, not just prophets but you know just common people that attend churches that loves the Lord, God’s speaking to them and showing them things.

Sid: And the thing that I love is part of what was down loaded to you is that God showed you that he doesn’t reveal his secrets to His servants.  He reveals his secrets to his friends and then you teach what was down loaded to you of how you can move from a servant to a friend.  What I’m seeing is when people listen to this three CD series titled “Mysteries Revealed” it sort of accelerates their move from servant hood to friendship and hearing God.

Pastor John: Well, I can tell you this people are morphing.  They are moving from servant mentality, working for the Lord and then morphing into a friendship relationship with the Lord.  God’s getting us ready for His coming and He’s speaking to His people like never before.  And I believe that this is the hour, this is the time right now.  When I first started preaching this…

Sid: Well no not, hold that thought, “Mysteries Revealed” three CDs.

Sid: My guest is Dr. Caroline Leaf and she is a Neuroscientist that has researched the brain for over twenty years.  Finally, science has catching up with the brain.  Finally, science is catching up with the Bible.  Finally, science is beginning to not only understand the words of Jesus but just so solidify it.  I mean, I’ve found when I studied Dr. Carolyn’s leaf’s books and listened to her DVDs on the subject of discovering the gift in you it’s allowing me to grasp the biblical concepts in a stronger way than I have ever done that before.  We were talking on yesterdays broadcast about gift blockers and it is so important for you to understand this because not only as you read her literature and see her DVDs will you discover the gift within you but how to enhance the way your thinking.  It actually, Caroline you told me that it makes people more intelligent.

Dr. Caroline: Yes, this is a wonderful side effect.  Ha ha, when you think correctly and thinking correctly means that you are thinking according to your gift.  Your increasing your intelligence.  You see were taught, as soon as you mention the word gift, people immediately have the visions of Einstein or someone as a wonderful concert pianist  or a great orator.   But that’s simply the manifestation of your gift.  Your true gift is how you uniquely think and as you are uniquely thinking in your special way, you are building thought into your brain.  If you think according to your gift and your own special way, and we’ve been talking in the previous programs about structure of your gift that you can actually identify and get familiar with the structure of your gift to ensure that you think according to how you are suppose to be thinking.  Because, if you don’t you build gift blockers.   Because the result of thinking is a thought, is a real physical thing inside your head.  So if I’m just thinking randomly or if I’m thinking how someone else wants me to think;  which I’m not thinking according to my gift, or the structure of my gift.  I build a thought that becomes toxic.  It becomes distorted, it becomes hijacked.  It becomes a gift blocker.  Now we are wired for love Sid.  We are wired, the circuits in our brain, the way that the brain actually thinks through the gift; thinks through the different kinds of thought.

Sid: Isn’t it interesting the Bible said this, God is love and we are created in His image.  So of course science has just figured out we are wired for love.

Dr. Caroline: Isn’t it awesome and if your wired for love it means that God has designed, has literally designed for affection.  But, because we live in a fallen world we don’t achieve that.  So, we react to things in life and things come at us and we think and as things happen to you, what happens is as human we receive that through our senses.  We think about it and build it into some thought so all day long you are thinking.  And all night long you are thinking.  But you think in a different way to when you are awake.  But, all day long you are thinking as you are thinking, you are building thoughts, or your sorting out your thought.  The way that you need to this is your gift.  So your gift is behind the manifestation, the gift is behind what the world sees and the world sees.  And if the gift goes wrong, then our potential becomes distorted.  Our self confidence gets shot and this is what the enemy wants.  He wants us to be broken and he wants us to be anxious.  The result of not thinking correctly is very serious because we get things like, depression, anxiety, worry, fear and physical illness in our body.  Because we are going against what is the natural.  We are working against the natural.  We have worked out of brain compatibility we have worked out of spiritual compatibility God has created as the true you.  One of the ways that I describe the true you in the gift blockers is through the concept of the true you.  Your true you is who Jesus made you to.  What God made you to be.  Okay, so I knew you before your were formed in your mother’s womb I knew you.  I knew you, Sid Roth before thing you are doing today.  He knew you, so that newness can be scientifically described now in terms of the structure and the questionnaire I developed and all that kind of thing.  Which, when we understand we get a basic glimpse of the real how we are supposed to be and when we operate, when we understand that, practice thinking in that.  Physically you feel amazing, but Sid when you go against that, when you start thinking toxic thought s or your thinking in the wrong way you block that gift.  And you feel that in your body.  God has been so gracious that in that he has built what I call, I have labeled in a fun way discomfort zones.  We have actual discomfort zones in our body.  So when I’m not thinking the way that I should.  I’m thinking and upset and I’m feeling anxious about something, my gift will automatically be blocked because my gift is how I think.  So if I think and I’m not wired to think negatively, I’m wired to t think positively.  So if I’m thinking in anxious way, I’m building an anxious thought.  Immediately, my body will be strained and stressed.  So as I am thinking this negative way, I get a discomfort zone.  And the first one is what I call just a way, just a way level.  I just become aware something is not right here.  You just get this awareness that you did something is wrong.  That’s a discomfort zone.   That is our body telling us, hey you stepped out of your gift.  You are not thinking well, you got to hijack your thinking.  You are  going to build toxic thought.  It is not good for you.  We very often ignore that.  Then the gift God has built in the second discomfort zone and that is, the second discomfort zone happens deep inside the brain and it causes a very strong stress reaction.  That is what I call the heart pounding, adrenaline pumping level.  Some people refer to that often as the flat to flat syndrome.  So when we are thinking out of sync with our gift.  Then our bodies are thrown into a full blown stretch of responsibility if we ignored the first level if we ignored the first level which is the just aware level.  At that is when the heart pounds the adrenalin pumps our shoulders tense up.  It is like God’s saying to us theologically through our body wake up.  You are doing something wrong.  This is not a good thought pattern this is not a good thing that your processing into your mind.  This is not a good thing you are building.  It’s going to make you feel sick and you can squash that.  You can ignore that, but you won’t feel enough.  We do that, we  can push it into your unconscious mind and we can pretend that it is gone away, but Sid it is always there.  Always causing on an unconscious level a block in your ability to process and think through things.  And we see this in the word of God when God talks about how our hearts have become hardened.  When your gift is ignored and you build gift blockers, you are hardening your heart then you can’t listen to the Holy Spirit.  The Holy Spirit is a gentleman, He won’t push.

Sid: When your heart is hardened like this can it be reversed. Can it be softened?   Can it become a heart of flesh rather than a heart of stone?

Dr. Caroline: Yes, absolutely and this is where God’s supernatural braces come in.  I mean, I know that your show are supernatural and you look at the human body and how God has designed it.  It is so unbelievably supernatural.  Yes, those gift blockers can be rewired.  The minute that I make, the second that I make the decision, this is not good, I going to listen I don’t feel comfortable and I listen to that adrenalin pounding, heart pumping and I say God something is going wrong here, please help me.   The moment, the minute I do that chemicals will start flowing and it will helping to breakdown that toxic block and rebuild a healthy one.  But it takes another four days to push through to start getting some stability and then change in your brain and then it takes a full twenty-one days to rewire that gift blocker.  But, yes we can.  The graciousness and the supernatural grace of God has enabled and empowered us to release the chemicals through our own vigilant, our own I factor our own will.  And we can rebuild and rewire.

Sid: Alright the Bible talks about terms such as repentance.   How does this affect the brain?

Dr. Caroline: Oh, I’m so glad you asked that, because really the first thing we have, if we are wired for love and were wired to follow in God’s image.  Every time you build toxic thought, this means we step out of line, we step into the sin zone and we need to repent.  And as you repent I acknowledge that you are great.  I acknowledge that Your the Savior.  I acknowledge that you died on the cross,  and whatever that you are saying in your mind and I acknowledge that this is wrong.  I am sorry, as soon as you do that chemicals will flow in your brain that will help you breakdown the gift blocker.  Electrical chemical balances become restored. Marvelous things are happening in your brain to help you restore function back to what it was.  So when we repent, we actually rewire big big big way just like this burst of electrical chemical energy to facilitate this process.  So God graciously see you take hold of the work that was done at the cross.  You repent for that sin and He is gracious and just to forgive us of our sins and claim us from the unrighteousness.  He claims us with the washing of the word.  The washing of the word brings in the washing of the chemical.  Those chemicals wash through that are secreted when you repent.  It washes away that toxic block.  I mean it is incredible.

Sid: Tell me a story illustrating the fact that our strengths will change our weaknesses.

Dr. Caroline: Okay, so if we, that example I even gave earlier we could use of the person that was the keyboard player.  That child’s strength was in her ability, her musical ability which was a special type of thinking that was manifesting as a wonderful gifted thing on the keyboard.  Now, what happens when the whole result in playing the keyboard was not just one of those types of thought.  We have seven, seven different types of thought.  All seven types of thought were being involving in her playing a wonderful gift on the keyboard.  Now if I take away that expression, if I take away that manifestation of her gift I have taken away who she is.  So therefore, everything will be effecting because her thinking through her seven was really manifesting in an exceptional way.  This child was an exceptional keyboard player.  It was manifesting in that so by removing the result of her combination of her seven.  All seven would have dropped.  By reintroducing this musical talent of hers, which was a result of all seven, that was dominated by the musical.  Obviously it then opened up the door way for her.  She opened up the doorway herself in her mind to be able to improve.  To be all the other septic so if we work hand and hand with how we actually are, our true you things all lift up in our life.  You may have a weak area and it may.

Sid: Tell you what, our time is slipping away, but you have such a unique gift and you are bringing it.  It is wired to work in a specific sequence.  When you discover that sequence you then unlock your potential.  You remove the toxic thinking and you replace it with God’s thinking and you will be physically healed.  You’ll increase in intelligence.