Sid: And when you live constantly in the glory the manifest tangible think, rich, loving presence of the Living God you’ll provoke everyone to jealousy.  And as my friend David Herzog, who I have on the telephone says, that this is Heaven on earth, experiencing a little of Heaven twenty-four seven.  I can’t think of anything better.  I can’t think of any junk the devil could throw at you that would cause you to be worry.  As a matter of fact, David Herzog, when you are in the thick glory of God, if you want to worry, can you?

David: If you want to worry?  Yeah, it’s really hard you have to really have to fight do it because it’s hard to worry when you are full of the joy, love and peace of God.

Sid: I know when I got saved it was so strong when the glory of God came into my bedroom.   I like to say because it’s true; I went to bed so fearful that I didn’t want to wake up.  Life was too hard, and when I woke up it was so wonderful, all I wanted to do was live and if I wanted to worry I could not worry.  Tell me about some creative miracles that have occurred when you enter the glory realm.

David: Creative miracles that have occurred in the glory, yeah all kinds of miracles.  I’ll be in the glory realm with God, in the meetings of course and in the meetings I’ll give a word of knowledge and I’ll say someone has this, someone has that.  Blind eyes, someone has blind eyes, open up.  And I was in Asia recently in Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore every one of those countries blind eyes opened up, paralytics was being healed.  So one word, just saying a word the body parts starts to respond.  What I found out is that the body parts, everything on the earth in fact actually responds to voice commands.  Everything was created with a command and when you’re in the glory and command creation it listens to you again.

Sid: Now out of curiosity, I understand when someone has a word of knowledge that I’m shocked if someone doesn’t say I’ve been healed; when I have a word of knowledge, but your saying that you can proclaim the promises of God in glory without a word of knowledge and it will manifest.  Is that what I’m hearing you say?

David: I’m saying yeah you can do that, but you can also speak to the body part and say in the Name of Jesus, like Ezekiel spoke to the bones.  God said prophesy to the bones themselves and tell the bones to come together, prophesy to them and so creation responds to voice commands when it’s in the glory because that’s how it was created.  So body parts respond when you speak to them; even scientist confirming this now and it’s an amazing thing that everything created responds to voice commands but especially if it’s in the presence and the power and glory of God.  Like when God told Moses speak to the rock don’t just hit it speak to it; speak to this mountain.

Sid: Is it almost the difference between a healing and a miracle.  A healing could be very very gradual, but in the glory realm it’s instant?

David: I think so because it’s instant because in Genesis 1. That’s what created everything it was the Spirit of the Glory was hovering and 2.  Sound, He spoke.  And so when you have those two elements once again you can see even body parts recreated like metal plates back to bone.  You get glory and then you speak, a lot of faith guys just speak, confess by faith but it doesn’t happen instant.  The instant I believe the missing ingredient is the glory with the spoken Word.

Sid: Tell me more about how creative miracles occur in the glory realm.

David: Yeah, okay.  So when you’re speaking to a body part, if God used glory and created everything in Genesis One, I found out that like everything created has atoms and stuff and at the sub atomic level there is a sound wave inside that atom and that sound wave responds to voice commands so you say in the Name of Jesus, you know metal plates turn back to bone.  Teeth turn back to and that little sound wave inside of those teeth or those bones responds when you are in the glory and you’re speaking to it, it will shift forms and recreates itself anyway.  Every three months your bones recreate, every four weeks your skin cells recreate but in the glory you can command it to accelerate its own healing process.  So when you are in the glory that created everything it’s simple to see God recreate everything.  If the original ingredient that created an object is present you can recreate the object.

Sid: Now, one of the signs that occurs in the glory realm when you minister is instant weight loss.  When did that first start happening with you?

David: Weight loss started happening, I was up in Ruth Heflin’s camp meeting and speaking up there and I started seeing it happen up there with different ministers.  And when I saw that happen, I said, “Wow that is amazing.”  And I remember one day I said, “God I’m so hungry for this, I want to see this happen.”  And I went up and there was an offering and I just sowed into this anointing kind of thing and said, “God, I worship You and I love You and I just want to give to You,” kind of in a way honoring God what I’m seeing.  And two weeks later I start ministering God starts telling me to call out instant weight loss miracles, and it seems like I receive an impartation and then suddenly I start seeing crazy off the hook weight loss, even up to seventy pounds in one meeting.

Sid: I can testify, I have been at some meetings with David Herzog and I have seen the instant weight loss and then I did the investigative reporter thing, I walked up to the people and talked to them, and this one guy told me, each night he went to the meeting he was losing more and more weight.  It was a progressive thing that was going on.  But tell me about one specific person that lost weight.

David: Yeah, my favorite one is this one in Jackson, Tennessee and I’m in the meeting and God says, “I want you to declare, there is a man here that needs to lose a lot of weight, tell him to grab his pants and very quickly because they’ll fall if he doesn’t hold his pants up; an tell him to run around the room.  And the man looked like he was almost 300 pounds, got up and just took off running.  It was like a Mack truck running; everyone got out of the way.  Ha ha and then he looked like a rapper, I mean his pants were so baggy, it was ridiculous he lost seventy pounds, 70.  It was amazing and the pastor, he knows the man very well, he said, this is a miracles.  And we’ve seen this over and over again.  Los Vegas we saw twenty people lose about five dress sizes, North Dakota forty pounds and Israel in Jerusalem we filmed this on our show, a lady was losing weight as we were standing there, everybody was watching her shrink, it was amazing.  And people, and I think it’s a modern day miracles, people say “Why don’t we see that in the Bible?  Well, probably they didn’t have McDonald’s and cars and fast food in the Bible so it’s a modern day need.

Sid: But it also says in the gospel that if all the miracles that Jesus did were recorded there wouldn’t be enough books to contain it.

David: Yeah, maybe He did some of those or maybe He says also, “In the last days there will be signs and wonders, I’m going to go be with the Father, but there will be continuous signs.”  So that’s hard, if I was to make jokes about the gold teeth they would say where’s that in the Bible, the fillings?  Well, I’d say just use this scripture, open your mouth and I will fill it, says the Lord.

Sid: Now have you ever seen the dead come back to life under the glory?

David: Yeah, we did in Africa, I was in a meeting and God told me the first night of this big, I don’t want to call it crusade so I’ll call it campaign.  What thousands of people out door so whatever you want to call that.  And I get up there and God says, I want you to announce that a woman has come here from a hospital, her daughter is dying and she is hoping her daughter gets healed by her coming to the meeting.  But I want you to announce that her daughters dead.”  So I announce this and this woman starts screaming and crying and sure enough it was her.  And I said, “Which direction is the hospital?”  And they point to it and so she’s thinking if I come to this meeting maybe my daughter will get healed.  The doctors told her, “Don’t leave, your daughters about to die.”  I announce that she’s dead, they point to the hospital the direction of it where ever it was and I begin commanding her spirit to come back into her body right there in the meeting publically.  Then I continue on with the meeting, we have a lot of salvations and miracles.  And she gets to the hospital after the meeting and they told her, your daughter died, we told you not to leave,” they had covered her with a sheet.  But they said, “After you left at a certain moment,” which was around the time that we were calling her spirit back in her body, “The sheet began to move and she came back from the dead.”

Sid: What about things like cancer?

David: Oh yeah, we see cancers die all the time, cysts, growths, cancers, cause cancer again is like the fig tree, Jesus cursed the fig tree.  You can curse cancer and it can die, you can speak a creative miracle and you can speak something like cancer to be uncreated.

Sid: How much something like arthritis?

David: Oh yeah, we see that all the time, last week end we saw it every night.  Arthritis, a lot of times arthritis pain comes when two nerves touch each other, it causes pain to shoot.  So in the glory realm you have authority over creation, body parts can hear you.  You command the body parts, when you are in the presence arthritis to be healed you know.  And a lot of times I use the visual, now some people will just say, in Jesus Name, and I find out it depends what level of intensity that you are speaking at.  One person can say, “Be healed” and nothing happens and another one says it and they seem to get healed instantly.  And I found out, it’s a combination of things.  When I’m speaking of things, I’m seeing a visual of the body part, so I’m using my mind and letting God use my mind to see it; then I’m trying to increase my faith level, my compassion for the people.  So you can be saying the same word at a 90% level, someone else could be saying it at a 10% level.  So it depends on what level you are speaking, not the actual words.

Sid: Well, how do you do it at 100% level?

David: Get in the highest glory possible, when you’re speaking it see that thing healed as you’re saying it.  Make sure your emotions are in there, your compassion for the person, faith, let everything be on a high and a lot higher focus and intensity in the glory will be much quicker.  It’s like when they cast out demons in the Bible, the Pharisee tried to do it, but they didn’t know what they were doing, they were just saying it but they did have that intimacy with Jesus to really do it.

Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here with John Waller. And John, when you were going through this you were really in the darkest pit of your life. The record deal didn’t work out. This was what was going to make you happy. This was what was going to get rid of your depression. And a couple comes into your life. What happened?

John: Well at my lowest point, I was at the bottom. I really was. And I was angry with God. I was disillusioned over losing this dream. But my sister, one of my youngest sisters, asked if she could bring a couple over to my home to minister to me, and I said sure. I was open to anything. They come over to my house and started just prophesying over my life. You know, I was at my lowest point. I just lost a dream, you know, and they’re looking at me and saying, “The Lord is about to promote you.” And I’m thinking, the Lord is going promote me? What are you talking about? He started just speaking into my life about what the Lord was about to do in my life, and that He was going to use me to set the captive free. But here I was a man who was not free. How could the Lord use me and set the captive free if I’m in such bondage? And so they offered to pray for me and they prayed for me in a way that I’d never been prayed for before. They pulled out some oil and they anointed my head with oil, and they prayed for me, and I felt the presence of the Holy Spirit come upon me in a way that was so tangible, and I felt the heat in my body. I felt the presence of God come over me. And I knew when they said amen, when it was done, something supernatural had occurred. I didn’t know what. I just knew something had broken in the spirit realm off of me.

Sid: And then you moved to Colorado and you didn’t tell your wife that you had cut down on your medication for depression. Why didn’t you tell your wife?

John: Well we moved to Colorado. My wife had been a teacher all these years and we had great benefits. We moved to Colorado. I became a worship pastor. She didn’t have a job. We didn’t have insurance. So I was taking four different kinds of medications, and medication is expensive. If I were to pay for it out of pocket, it would hundreds of dollars a month. So I knew God had done something in my life and I knew something had changed. So I took less and less medication. And then all of a sudden, the medication was gone, but I didn’t tell her it was gone, because I knew that might upset her or scare her.

Sid: She knew what you were like without medication.

John: She knew, I mean, I could go without medication in the bad days for two or three days. If I missed two or three days, I could really spin out of control. And so I had gone for like two to three months before I told her that I was not taking medication any more.

Sid: And let’s go to a clip and find out what she thought about that.

Josie: I remember he came to me in the kitchen and told me that it had been a while since he had taken any medication. And I was like, I had no clue. And I was just floored, you know. I started to think back over the last few months and just, you know, the changes that I had seen in him, I was like, I thought maybe it just the medication and the change because we had just moved to Colorado. You know, new environment. And then I began to see him really just dive into God’s Word and learn to study his true identity in Christ and study blessing. And he became a student of the Word, and began to speak and declare it over my children and I. And our family changed. There was so much more peace in our home and I know that began writing songs from a new found place of peace and freedom in Christ Jesus.

Sid: John you became a free man. It’s so wonderful to be free. And what I love is that when you sing other people get free. Tell me about, because you then started writing songs after, but you took about a year’s sabbatical where you just studied the Word and started saying God’s Word wherever you went. Did that make a difference to you?

John: Absolutely. I would take the Word of God. I would put it on a note card and I would memorize it, and I would just speak it out loud. I would pray it out loud constantly because, you know, the Bible says that, “Life and death are in the power of the tongue, and those it eat its fruit.” If simple words like “He’s got it” and a doctor saying, “Yes, he’s got depression” and diagnosing me, if those words can bring so much pain and death into my life, then how much more the Word of God can bring life to those who declare it and believe it, and speak it. And so I write songs that just declare the Word of God and speak it over people.

Sid: You know, when I heard the song, “Our God Reigns”, that’s what got me so excited about having you on this show. But tell me a little bit about the history of that song.

John: Well I was on a mission trip to Wales and we visited a town called Aberfan. And back in the ’60s, there was a tragedy. It was a coalmining town. And so they had a huge landslide that they didn’t see coming, but it wiped out this elementary school. Killed all these children and it just broke my heart to hear the story. But someone made the comment about the town that there’s a darkness that hovers over this town and that to this day, the spirit of death reigns over this town, and that there’s multiple suicides every year. And so that didn’t sit right with me. And so I began to write a song that would come against spirits like the spirit of death, the spirit of fear, the spirit of oppression.

Sid: You know what? If you go to the music set right now, I prophesy to you that as he sings this song you are going to be healed. Depression is going to go. This is, there is such a strong anointing. John Waller, “Our God Reigns”.

John: Spirit of death you have no place here. I command you to leave in Yeshua’s name. Spirit of fear you have no place here. I command you to leave in Jesus’ name. You’re not welcome here. So go. Spirit of doubt you have no place here. I command to leave in Yeshua’s name. Envy and jealousy you have no place here. I command you to leave in Jesus’ name and go back from whence you came. Our God reigns here. Our God reigns here. We claim this ground in Yeshua’s name ’cause our God reigns. Our God reigns here. Our God reigns here. The battle is won. Have no fear ’cause God reigns here. Hunger and rage, guilt and shame, I command you to leave in Yeshua’s name. Depression, anxiety, addiction, infirmity, I command you to leave in Jesus’ name and go back from whence you came. Our God reigns here. Our God reigns here. We claim this ground in Jesus’ name ’cause our God reigns.

Sid: My guest, Michael Galiga, we found out on yesterday’s broadcast that Michael who has had a very successful life in business, and real estate, he’s worked for some of the largest corporations in the world in real estate; he’s structured transactions and consulted for over twenty-five years at the highest levels of the corporate arena both domestically and internationally; his clients read like a who’s who.  And we left you with a as my engineer said, “A cliff hanger,” it wasn’t on purpose, but I’m glad we did that, we got you back today.  But when Michael was five years of age, he didn’t know God, but yet he had this awareness that God was around him all the time.  He didn’t know who this God was, but at age five he’s being like any five year old, he’s playing marbles and all of a sudden, he wasn’t there.  Time stood still, he literally was translated somewhere else and he was shocked that his friends didn’t realize that what was going on.  And he was constantly thinking about this event, the whole rest of his life and one day, he got a revelation from God on what was going on.  What was going on Michael?

Michael: Well, as I was saying on the previous part here I went to floor in my office and when God showed up and in His presence and I was just on the carpet and I just said, if you don’t tell me what happened to me and what you landed on me that day when I was five, I’m going to die on the carpet right now.  It was very emotional, it was very power pact, it couldn’t have been any more.  And instantly His response Sid was “Now you’re ready.”  And so were they, and then I go wow, and wow, and so today’s later and I’m journaling Sid and I said God, I think I understand me, I think I have a pretty good idea of having some forty something years to think about this.

Sid: Excuse me, for those that aren’t aware of this explain what you mean by journaling.

Michael: Journaling is a process of slowing down for me writing in a notebook and that sounds really bad to men, for some reason Sid, it’s awful, they would rather go to marriage counsel than journal frankly.  And people laugh at that because you know, it’s kind of the worse thing that you could tell guys, let’s go get marriage counseling, but journaling is actually worse thing for a guy but it is the single most powerful thing that a guy can do woman, because most of us run at 10,000 RPMs and this is what I teach at my seminar.  Most of us run at 10,000 rpm and we can hear God’s voice at 500 and the only way, because I’m a type A; get it done yesterday, going down the highway with my hair on fire and the top down type of guy; is that I have to journal.  If I journal, I go down to 500 rpm and His voice just flows, sometimes, it’s ten minutes, sometimes it’s two hours.  But, I hear very clearly.

Sid: Now, if you didn’t journal do you think that you would miss a lot of what God is saying?

Michael: I’d miss most of it.

Sid: Well, I think you’re speaking to a lot of men right now and a few women too.  But okay, what happened next, what did you journal?

Michael: I’m journaling and I was saying I think I know who I am, and what’s happening here but who are they?  And I’ll give you as direct quote as I can recall, He said, “Mike, they is everyone.”  And the Heavenlies have shifted and the battle has expediently expanded and there is now no more middle ground, none.  I think that that’s a direct quote right out of the book and that’s what I wrote on my journal.  But basically He called me and then He told me…

Sid: Give me the exact statement that it started with that God spoke to you.

Michael: “Now, you’re ready, and so are they.

Sid: And again, who is they?

Michael: And then I said God, “Who is they, in my journaling a few days later, “And He said, they is everyone.  The Heavenlies have shifted and the battle has expediential expanded and there is now no more middle ground, none.  And He began to show me this battle plan and I just wrote it down.  And the seminar and book and everything was a result of that, “Go Win Every Battle.” And He gave me graphic, the gladiator shield with the Star of David in the middle which you’ll see in the DVD and you’ll see it in the book.  I had professionals in the industry tell me that they have seen 10,000; 15,000 of these and called framework Sid, and that’s when people see it and they can’t forget it.  They say that it’s the best framework that they have ever seen and I just tell them, I wish I had thought of it, I just wrote it down and hired the best people in the world to create it.

Sid: Now, what type of feedback are you getting from people that are reading your book or watching this DVD?

Michael: Well, it’s very strong, it’s you can’t read the book or watch the DVD without impact, pretty math have changed, it answers a lot of fundamental questions on why things aren’t working for most people I know things are not working as well as they want.  And for a lot of people they don’t win every battle, they don’t win any battles.  And they’re tired of not winning, they want to win, they want to know how to win, because I always tell them, if you’re not winning there is a reason, it’s not just an accident.  There are reasons behind everything, if you don’t have the right battle plan you can’t win.

Sid: Okay, did He show you anything else that encounter when you found out what went on when you were age five?

Michael: Not at that time, it wasn’t until later when my foot stepped on the stage at the “Win Every Battle I’ve Experienced” in January.

Sid: And what happened?

Michael: Well, I was very, you know I had never done this before, I’ve done a lot of public speaking and been in front of a lot of big clients in the world but I’ve never spoken to 640 people on something that I have never spoken on publically before.  I was a little bit nervous and as always there are people that have known you since you were a kid, and they don’t necessarily want you to succeed or their jealous or whatever, it’s the real world that we live in.  But when I walked into the room, and then I stepped a flight of stairs on to the stage when my foot touched the stage time stood still again.  Not for very long, for about ten or fifteen seconds it seemed like, but God said, Mike this is one of the places that I took you when you were five and there are many more all over the world.  Wow, could you image Sid, what that does to your confidence?

Sid: You were at the right place at the right time obviously.

Michael: Yeah, He wanted to see Sid, if I would do it?  Will you do this Mike, I put you in peculation and hibernation for forty something years to temper you for this moment; and I’m so proud that you did it; but some people won’t.  So here you are and so bam I’m on the stage and there is a revelation of “Mike this is one of the places that I took you, when you were five years old, forty something years ago and there are many more.”

Sid: So, that must have been quite a speech you gave, a lecture.

Michael: Well, it was divinely inspired, I mean the anointing as you well know and your listeners when you are anointed the power is unlimited, it’s unlimited and it tailor makes your message to every ear in the audience.  Everybody heard something different, it was amazing.

Sid: And God then told you what He did, about this mantle that He had put on you.

Michael: Yes, He did.  He said, Mike I put a mantle of leadership on you and when you were five years old, I chose you, when you worshiped Me when you were five, I literally couldn’t stay away from you.  Which is Sid, a lesson to all of us, the power of praise, despite our circumstances, when we begin to praise the Lord, that is the worse possible thing to happen to the enemy.

Sid: And most believers do not understand that simple thing that you just explained what happens when we worship, because many of us worship, worship, worship and we don’t see anything happening, but in the invisible world, what is happening when someone worships God?

Michael: Well, let me give you a quick story, it is so quick, I have a barn with surround sound in it and I go back there and I worship everyday and I also work out there and I journal there.  Well, about thirty days before this first live experience, something jumped on my back the size of Texas, and when you live in Oklahoma and you say something the size of Texas, it doesn’t get any bigger than that.  It was bad to the bone, it was black, it was dark and it wanted to kill me. And it sure as heck didn’t want to be on that stage thirty days later.  And so I made my way to the barn and I had to concentrate on every step just one step of a time to get to the barn.  It was so oppressive, never had I been under attack, nothing, not even a fraction.  I made it to the barn, I turned the praise music up, way up and I did something I never done. And I tell people if you want to go someplace that you have never been, you have to do things you’ve never done.  So I took my own medicine I cranked up the praise music and I walked around the barn and I did something for you know a pretty conservative businessman, I did something really radical and I raised my hands in the air and I started praising the Lord, and I said “God, You are so good to me, You are just fantastic and I just for an hour, I battled like that.  And at about an hour whatever it was I could feel it snap and it left; and it has not come back.

Sid: Well, you just telling me that story, the presence of God is flooding this studio.  Image what happened to that demon, he couldn’t take the heat.

Michael: No,  he tried, he hung on for dear life, and he figured out that I wasn’t going to stop and I was cranking it higher and higher because I knew I was bearing down on him, Sid I got to repeat, I’m a businessman, I didn’t go to seminary, I’m in business and I can’t afford to make mistakes.  I make big decisions every day, everyone of my decision has to be correct or I’m in trouble and I can only rely upon Him.  I went to law school I’m fairly smart, but my wisdom is finite I have to have His.

Sid: Well, you book is loaded with wisdom, it really is although many of the things that you talk about are so simple, it’s like when you talk about praise, when you even mention journaling, there’s almost an anointing for people to want to do it.  Has anyone ever told you that?

Michael: Yeah, they have, I’ve trained, I’ve counseled a lot of men here in Oklahoma and they typically call me when they have foundational problems and we stop there and we go into their personal life.  But you know that once they start to journal, things get better very quickly and I call this the rule of thirty, in thirty days you look into your review mirror of life, the rearview mirror of life and you will not believe if you will start journaling.  If you do that one thing, the rule of thirty, look in the rear view mirror thirty days later and you will see substantial measureable change.  Just feel good, change.  Change in your career, change in your business and change in your relationships.

Sid: You make almost a game guarantee in your book that some of the biggest corporations in the world have to be bailed out constantly by our federal government.  If they just follow your principals they won’t  have to be bailed out any more.

Michael: Sid, I give a corporate challenge two times in that book and basically it is this challenge; if any company in the world, preferably of name brand like General Motors, they are not anywhere out or the woods, if you watch the USA today and last week, they are going to executives.

Sid: What will happen if they follow your advice?

Michael: My advice to them is that they are history.  Now, I do business in China and in Israel…

Sid: Oh, we’re out of time!

Sid: Now my guest, I’ve known about for many years, I’ve interviewed him previously; his name is Chuck Missler.  He has quite a background, he’s a Naval Academy graduate, a former Branch Chief for the Department of Guided Missiles, been on the Board of Director’s of twelve public companies.  He’s CEO of six of them.  He’s had a very high profile corporate career and quite a spiritual career; he has been affiliated with Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa, California for many, many years.  Known as a Bible scholar and that’s why when I found out that he was getting involved in UFO’s.  I thought how does someone that’s such a Bible scholar get involved in UFO’s?  I mean I think in terms of fringe people are involved; how did you get involved in the study of UFO’s Chuck Missler?

Chuck: Well, probably the most meaningful one is in pursuit of my Expositional Commentary.  See for thirty years I was an active executive in the strategic arena obviously, as you just summarized.  But also throughout that period even though that was my vocation, my primary hobby happened to be Bible studies, I took them and began to increasing take them seriously and I developed a following of sorts; I taught the Monday night studies at Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa for about twenty-five years.  And so it was about twenty years ago that I sort of shifted, made my hobby my primary career; and so for the last twenty-eight almost thirty years I’ve been publishing verse by verse commentaries on the Bible.  And I was getting and doing all of that I became very sensitized to a very peculiar briefing that Jesus gave His disciples.  Four disciples came to Him to you know to inquire about his second coming and he detailed the preceding events of that and that’s recorded in three of the Gospels; in Matthew 24 & 25, Mark 13 and also Luke 21.  And in that it’s interesting He cautioned them and said take heed that nobody deceive you and that’s going to be an important caution here.  But then He makes a strange remark, He says but of the days of Noah were so shall the days of the coming of Son of Man be.  And I understand what He’s talking about there, it turns out you’ve really got to understand what brought about the flood of Noah, which of course is all dealt with in Genesis 6 and following.  When you look at Genesis 6 the first two verses in your Bible are actually one sentences; and it says “That it come to pass when men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born unto them that the sons of god saw the daughters of men and that they were fair and they took them wives of all which they chose.”  Now the sons of God in the Hebrew, Benaiah Elohim, it’s the term used distinctly of a direct creation of God; and therefore it’s the term used of angels all through the old testament that term is used of angels; in Job three times, and so forth and it’s also in some extra biblical terms, things like the book of Enoch and others the Septuagint and so forth.  And so the point is that’s a term of angels.  Now what’s so strange about that passage is that these creatures that apparently were some kinds of angels, it turns out that they are fallen angels generated some high breds.  They took daughters of men and when you get down about verse four it says, “There were Nephilim in those days.”  The word Nephilim is a Hebrew word, it comes from the verb nafall, the fallen ones, is really what it implies.  In the Greek translation of the Old Testament that term is used as giantess, which most people think means giants and its transliterated that way in your English Bible but the actual word in the Greek is Gegos, its the same word that Greek Mythology it the same word that Greek Mythology uses for Titans, that’s creatures emerging from the interbreeding of Greek gods and human beings.  Eugenia means breeder kind, the English word is gene and genetics comes from the same root. The point is in the Greek translation emphasizes that the earth born.  So these fallen ones, these high bred that derive from some kind of strange comingling which comes between the fallen angels and human girls generated a breed that were the mighty ones.  The apparently were giants, the word giant picked that up but is actually a transliteration rather than translation.  But the point is these strange creatures turn out to be the reason that God sent the flood of Noah.  The human…

Sid: Now I have never heard that, I never even heard that speculated upon before.

Chuck: Now that’s one of the interesting things about this area because what I’ve just summarized superficially one could call the angel view of Genesis 6.  In most seminaries they don’t teach that because they teach a contrived alternate view that’s called the line of Seth.  Most people have been taught that what that really refers to is the lines of Seth and so forth, which is a non Biblical, they say “The sons of god, that really belongs to the Sethite leadership and the daughters of Adam really means the daughters of Cain.   That’s not what the text says but that what they contrive.  You see back in the fifth century Celsus and the Julian apostate used the traditional belief to attack Christianity and Julius overcame this resorted to this Sethite contrived idea as a more comfortable way of explaining that passage.  And then Cyril of Alexandria and others used it to repudiate the Orthodox view.  Augustan came along, he embraced the Sethites theory and that prevailed all through the middle ages.  So most seminaries teach the Sethite Theory which is itself is fine except they never most of them don’t even mention the existence of the so called angel view.

Sid: Well, listen I have studied what you have been teaching on the two CD’s that we’re making available called “Return of the Nephilim,” and it makes much more sense to me than what’s taught in the Bible institutes.

Chuck: Oh, I have to tell you that when we publish some of these things, I got calls from senior executives in publishing houses that even though they are in executive capacity, they are seminary graduates and they were angry, not at me, but they realized that they hadn’t had the benefit of either exposure to these ideas; in seminary you would think that a good seminary would say hey here are the two view and here at the pluses and the minuses of each.  They don’t do that, they re just sell the Sethite theory and sweep the other one under the carpet.   And the tragedy of that is that there are about twelve specific reasons why the Sethite Theory is not Biblical at all.  The angel view, while weird, I have to admit it sounds pretty uncomfortable is the one that, not only is it in the text in Genesis 6, it is substantiated or collaborated at least two maybe three times in the New Testament.

Sid: Well, you know Chuck the thing that gets me is that there is a cover-up of that particular area.  A blindness if you will and there’s also a cover-up for instance, in 1947 most people have heard that there was some very strange phenomena that occurred in Roswell, New Mexico involving UFOs and I wasn’t aware of it, but this information  this happened in ’47 and it’s being classified even as we’re speaking.  We can’t get the facts.

Chuck: And one of the shocking things that I discovered because I was deeply in the classified community professionally, I was Chairman and CEO of four different publically traded defense contractors and one of those companies particularly was in the deep declassified program.  One of the things I discovered while in that world is that the Roswell incident enjoys a security classification that is even higher than our most sensitive warheads, the W88; that came up because of a slipup; they won’t even suppose to reveal that it was enjoyed that level of classification, but it turns out that it does.  And why it does is a mystery to everyone to the few people that do know about it, we have been unable to determine why it is even classified at all, that’s what sixty years ago.  How can that technology or otherwise somehow be a grave concern to the US?  But it’s clear that it is classified and it’s also clearly documented evidence of again, again, and again where the government will intervene to cover-up certain instances.  And Roswell isn’t the only one, but it’s of course the most notorious one.

Sid: You know well in these two CDs that I’ve been listening to, you do an excellent job of teaching in this area.  I mean I feel that this is some of the freshest stuff that I have seen in a long time of Bible teaching as well as instances.  For incidence in July 1947 and the Roswell, New Mexico there was a colonel involved; Colonel William Blanchard and what did he say had occurred?

Chuck: Yeah, well the first announcement was that of course they had some kind of alien crash of some kind.  But then the overseeing command the next day countermanded that press release and published a different one saying that it was just a weather balloon.  And that started a whole series over the years, the air force has continually, you know issued one cover story after another and each one is actually more clumsy than the previous one.

Sid: Well, well the thing that’s so amazing to me is with the new digital imaging technology we have there was a general, what’s his name?  General Ramey that you talked about at got some amazing information from.

Chuck: Yeah, during the press conference there General Ramey, I was giving his cover story, he happened to be holding, crumpled in his hand a memo that he apparently had in his hand from just before the picture was taken, and the quote that was revealed by the advanced digital editing technique was that they could read some of the word and it said, “The Victims of the wreck and the disk they will ship.”  So the point is that the illusions to victims of a wreck and the fact that they are going to ship the disk, this vehicle whatever they found and apparently they ship it to Wright-Patterson Air Force base is alluded to or implied by what they can read from this memo; that happened to be in General Ramey’s hand.  So that event, the revealing of that thing by advanced digital techniques that were its sometimes called the smoking gun, it reveals that the Air Force was lying, they were trying to cover this all up.  And for them to do that back you know in ‘47 is one thing, but for that to enjoy still even to this day, a security classification that certainly at least one president and four congressmen have tried to crack and have been unsuccessful.

Sid: Well, President Obama has publically said that he’s going to let this classified information out.  Do you think that it will be?

Chuck: Well, I personally don’t have a very high regard for anything that Obama swings what he says and what he does is not connected in so many other areas I don’t know what to make of that.  The fact that he is saying that I would try to study because there must be a reason for him doing that.

Sid: I tell you what, our time is slipping away and you have such fascinating Bible information, and investigative reporting information about what I believe is ready to happen any minute now on planet earth.

Sid:  Now as I have been saying all of this week my personal devotional soaking time I use a brand new CD by Grace Williams.  It’s called take me away.  And as we found out on yesterday’s broadcast what she meant by the title is take me away into the presence of God.  Take me away into the secret place.  As a matter of fact Grace, this is literally a prophetic impartation of Psalm 91 which I recommend everyone listening to my voice reads out loud and personalizes every day.  If you know anyone in the military urge them to do this because every problem that could happen to a human in life is covered by the protections and the promises in Psalm 91.  And I think it’s so amazing that, what did God tell you would occur when people listen to this prophetic impartation through music?

Grace:   Well, I believe that it’s just going to provide His divine protection that’s available in this hour and really being encapsulated in His shelter, in His wings which is in His presence and just that powerful safety and refuge that we can run to in time of need really.

Sid:  Now tell me about the selection we have today, “Holding On.”

Grace:  “Holding On,” this was really powerful moment when I was just worshiping as I so often do in my studio and I was just really crying out to the Lord and my hearts cry you know holding on strongly.  And I feel as though Heaven’s embrace is the theme song for so many moments in my life personally and feeling that touch from Heaven and as I was writing the song “Hold On” I just began weeping and tears flowed, I was just so moved by the Spirit and my spirit just started just started crying out “I need Your hand in mine, I need Your hand in mine.”  I was crying out to the Lord and it was right then as I was singing those words He allowed me to see His huge outstretched arms and they were reaching down from Heaven and He literally grabbed my hand to pull me up to where He was and I went up in the Spirit and He lifted me up into the Heavens; and I was suspended above the earthly realm and all these things that just on the earth just faded away.  And I could sense, all I could sense was just amazing acceleration and quickening power of His mighty strength; His strong arm you know that drew me up and I was consumed by His passion for me and His fiery eyes, the warmth of His love that cradled me and I was safe in His arms.  All fear was gone, all fear just dissipated and I knew that it was in that secret place that I was safe and in that hiding place.  You know He talks about where He preserves us from trouble and He surrounds us with songs of deliverance; and He said tell my people I’m surrounding them with songs of deliverance, songs of healing and if they can have an ear in their heart to hear this sound of Heaven it will bring such peace and safety.  And right now, right now I just sense the Lord; the Lord is setting someone free right now of an abusive relationship.  God’s breaking off chains today, many woman are being set free also of depression and oppression.  A spirit of heaviness that has had you bound, you have been bound for so long is lifting right now, in the Name of Jesus because Jesus is the Glory and the lifter of your head.  So just lift your hands right now wherever you are and be free in the Name of Jesus, just receive that healing, receive that freedom.  Every chain is broken in the Name of Jesus as you lift your hands and be free you are going to walk out of that darkness, you are going to walk out of that spirit of heaviness.

Sid:  And the anointing is going to destroy the yoke from the CD “Take Me Away.”  Excerpt of “Take Me Away.”

Sid:  That was “Holding On” from the new CD by Grace Williams “Take Me Away.”  Take me away into your presence; can you see how you’ll be taken away into His presence?  Grace, how do you write music?

Grace:  Well, you know people ask me that all the time Sid, and it’s so just awesome because it always happens different ways.  Sometimes, you know I’ll be in my car driving and worshipping and God will just drop a melody into my heart and I’ll grab by little digital recorder and I’ll start singing many times it’s in my own you know, personal worship time when I’m just crying out to God at my piano and singing and God will just literally just download melodies from Heaven or words from Heaven and so it’s really is cultivated you know in my own personal worship time.  You know, random moments in the shower I’ll be just praising God or out in my back yard, and really just that intimacy of being with the Lord and that relationship of just loving the Lord and being His daughter and He just pours forth songs and you know I’m just so honored and humbled that He would allow me to pour forth.  You know really I feel like He pours into me and I just pour them out because I want people blessed and touched.  I pray that that’s my heart that these songs fill your hearts and your homes and just be a tool in your own worship time to draw you closer to His presence and His face. 

Sid:  Grace, you have such a almost provoking passion for God that when we hear you sing we have a passion for God.  Have you always had this passion for God?  I know at age three you started speaking in tongues in a supernatural language when you were baptized in the Holy Spirit, where did this passion come from?

Grace:  Well, I think that I’ve been marked by God and branded by God’s love and branded by God’s fire.  And my continual hearts cry is “God set me on fire with Your love, you know set me on fire with Your love, let me burn, let me burn.  And that fire would be contagious and so that’s awesome when I hear testimonies like that it is literally starting fires in other peoples heart’s and spirits, that’s just awesome because it’s that passion and that fervor for His presence, it stirs up.  It stirs up the fire, we had an email testimony from a mother and she was saying almost a similar thing you said Sid, you’re music and voice provided a direct line to the things of Heaven; my eleven year old daughter has now stepped into her prophetic calling since soaking with your music.  And the mother had known that this was God’s intention, but it took Heaven sound to awaken her and through your music God is revealing secrets and hidden mysteries of Heaven and she’s praising…

Sid:  We want everywhere to experience what it’s like to be taken away into the presence of God, into the arms of God.  And I do this just about every day, I carve out an hour and I just close my door and I just soak in the presence of God.  And my favorite soaking music is Grace Williams new CD “Take Me Away.” And Grace one of the selections is called “Wings of Love” tell me about that.

Grace:  Yes, this is one of my favorite’s songs and I was actually playing and singing this song in a prayer meeting and we were all just worshipping and praying and it was really an awesome time; and I had this vision and I literally saw myself again, that Psalm 91 anointing in the shelter of the Almighty and I literally saw these feathers and a huge outstretched wings begin to cover over me and they begin to expand and create this arch dome.  It was almost like this igloo it was round and it was completely incapacitated me and every way I would look, up or down and to the side there was no place that I could go that wasn’t covered and …

Sid:  And so there was no room for fear or worry.

Grace:  Exactly, no room for fear and that’s what the Lord was speaking to me about, this song “Wings of Love.”  It was like as God was saying as they make M, there dwelling place no evil can get close to them, no torment, no terror is welcome in this Holy place.  It is only here that we are safe and we are covered and so it was really a call to let the Lord carry us on His wings of love, carry us on the Wind of His Spirit.  And then at the end of that song it’s really a freedom song, it says “Fly fly, free to fly, fly, fly, fly lifting up your wings to fly.  To those that have felt discouraged or just overwhelmed with fear or sadness or grief and God’s calling them up saying “Come, fly with Me, come soar with Me and be free, you know like a bird.  A bird can’t fly if it’s in chains or if it is caged up or it’s held in bondage.  But God’s saying I’ve opened the door, I have released the captives and set them free come fly with Me and be free lifting up your wings to fly.  So I really feel like this song is a call to freedom and God is setting people free even now.  He’s setting people free in the Name of Jesus.

Sid:  “Wings of Love.”  Excerpt

Sid:  That was “Wings of Love” from the new CD take me away by Grace Williams.  And we cut the song in the middle and the last words were He will carry on His Wings of Love.  Grace what does that mean to you?

Grace:  Well, that is the most beautiful place to be Sid, hidden in His wings, hidden in His presence and it’s really that heavenly embrace and being covered, being surrounded encapsulated in His amazing love and that love is stronger than anything.  It’s stronger than fear, it’s stronger than worry, it’s stronger than any tormentor, anything the enemy could bring against it.  That love is stronger than anything.

Sid:  And we also have on the telephone line Jerry Williams, Grace’s mother.  And Jerry God has been telling you something that happens to be music to my ears about this next generation.  Explain, especially these young people.

Jerry:  Yes, God is shifting, He’s starting a movement among the children and the young people liken to the prophet Samuel.  And we know that Samuel, his heart was groomed in the midst of the smoky fragrant perfume of the incense of worship in the Holy Place.  He would lay down beside the burning flame of the lamp in the Holy Place.  And these young prophets that God’s raising up they’re fiery passionate type that they have to live close to the Glory and it’s only there that they can kindle their divine destiny.

Sid:  They are not going to settle for your normal Christian churches.  They want more; it won’t be satisfying this new generation.

Jerry: There is also a Spirit of Caleb coming upon this generation, I just say by the Spirit of Lord, because Caleb said “Give me the land of the giants.”  There was no fear in this generation, they said; let me dispossess the enemy in these dark mountains that have been held by the enemy.  They will be these amazingly seasoned worshippers and warrior’s who follow wholly after the Lord, completely and totally given over to God.

Sid:  But they’re going to need some Fathers, Spiritual Fathers and Spiritual Mothers to help mentor them to move into this type of thing.  And actually isn’t that what you and your daughter do two generations in ministry?

Jerry:  Yes, definitely we know, we’ve seen in the life of Samuel that His mother Hannah actually brought him every year these handmade garments or robes, typified the anointing that she was decreeing over him that he would break off the Eli Spirit of the darkness and the traditional church and that he would be a reformer.  And so she through her declarations and through her prophetic eye she began to see him as a reformer and she would cloth him and cloak him in these generational anointings just like Joseph’s robe that was multicolored and His father gave to him, that was a type of anointing; the passing of the generational anointing.

Sid:  Jerry, I’m just kind of curious when you see the type of presence of God that comes out of your daughter’s music and the changes that happen to people what do you feel like as a mother?

Jerry:  I feel just so overflowing, overflowing with this anointing that’s permeating these sounds of Heaven and the heavy midst that’s overflowing into people’s lives.  And you know that in Ezekiel when he looked into the Glory clouds and he saw this overshadowing power that would come on the saints in the end time and I just feel like that this is a fulfillment of the desire of God’s; heart that he would bring many sons into glory.  And that this glory cloud that overshadowed Peter, and creative miracles happening is what’s happening today with these prophetic young people that have eyes to see in tandem with what God is saying and God is just asking will someone agree with me?  Will someone open their eyes wide and see into the supernatural and see the glory that already resides in you?

Sid:  Grace are many people getting healed when they listen to your CD take me away?

Grace:  Yes, we’re having so many people healed.  Healed of past hurts, healed of abuse, set free from mental illness, just flooded with peace like you said earlier.  A woman recently was healed of scoliosis, people being set free of suicidal thoughts and spirits of death.  Just amazing, we had a young woman that was set free, she was a cutter, and lot of young people have gotten trapped into this really demonic self mutilation where their crying out to feel something and so to feel anything they end up self mutilating or cutting themselves and she emailed me and said,” When I heard this sound, when I heard this sound and she was not even a believer, she just happened to randomly come across my music and she said “I heard this sound and I have not wanted to harm myself since. 

Sid:  Well, my guest this week is Grace Williams and she has a new CD called “Take Me Away” that for the last few months I have been soaking daily under and I have to tell you I have never heard music that brings such peace.  Grace, people are having all sorts of healing from your music, tell me about a few specific that come to mind.

Grace:  Yes, well we had a testimony from Evelyn and she was actually was bed ridden for years and God brought her.  She said these are her words, “She said God brought me out from being a skeleton that slept eighteen hours a day.”  And she’s had huge miracles, HUGE that she writes in caps.  In one mighty moment God took me off a duffle bag full of meds.  I take no meds now His Glory and presence are fully known in your music.”  And when I got that I thought, “Praise God, you know that she’s been brought out of darkness into marvelous light and that spirit of death has been broken over her life” how powerful.  Another just amazing one was a woman called and her nephew was actually in a mental institution and the Lord told her to bring, actually bring this CD to the hospital, to the mental hospital.  She told the staff and the nurse she said, “Whatever you do, keep this music playing continuously and she said the Lord had told her on the 20th day that He was going to be set free and walk free.”  So she told the staff, “Whatever you do do not stop this music.”  And so she went, took the CD set it to playing on repeat.  And she says, “Hallelujah as sure as the Lord said and has spoken to me and to the doctors amazement he walked out completely drug free, free, free, free she says.” So this is powerful, like I say this is strong medicine, this is strong therapy, this is spiritual CPR that reaches out to whatever.  Whatever is ailing you, whatever sickness, whatever disease, whatever has been spoken over you, “The Lord has a good report for you, He has good things in store for you.”  And I just pray right now Lord, that you would send forth that spiritual CPR Lord, I thank you that you just release life right now Lord, life, life, life over your people and love, Lord.  Your banner over us is love and God I pray you release your love over, over us right now Lord and we thank You for it in Jesus Name.

Sid:  Tell me about a selection we’re about ready to play from the take me away CD called “Healing Oil,” tell me about that.

Grace:  Yes, this song is just really powerful and we’ve actually had testimonies from this song. People said that they pray it in their prayer meetings and Bible studies and actually that the oil of the Lord has manifest when this song begins to play and so that’s like a really amazing thing.  But also, as I was recording this song and I prophetically just begin to sing towards the end of the song I say, “Breathe on Me, Overshadow Me” and I’m just crying out to the Lord.  And as I was singing this, I literally felt the Lord’s breathe just blow across my face.  It was like this huge burst of cool wind.  It was like airy like it was like this airy breath and then He began to whisper to me and it was like this face to face encounter and He was excelling into me and He was breathing His very life.  And it was then and in that moment He reminded me, and He reminded me that this is what He desires with His people, this is what He wants, a passionate closeness where we are revived by His breathe, where we are having that fact to face encounter.  And you know just like He longs for that, He desires that and so as we cry out for this, this breath of Heaven, this face to face encounter it is then that we are then that we enlivened and energized in that presence and seeing him face to face. 

Sid:  I would have to believe that your music brings such a anointing for people to breakthrough into intimacy with God, that’s why it releases so much peace.  And that’s why the people that even have insomnia, you get so many reports they play the music through the night.  But I have a better idea; it should be played 24-7 in a house.  Let’s hear the selection “Healing Oil” from this CD “Take Me Away.”

“Healing Oil” from this CD “Take Me Away.” Excerpt.

Sid:  Now you can see why I just love to just relax and soak in that kind of music it sure beats watching movies with all the violence and everything.  How would you like to go to sleep with this type of music rather than the junk you’re watching on television?  Grace, tell me what the Lord told you that this music would accomplish prophetically.

Grace:  Well, really that Psalm 91 anointing, a prophetic impartation it would not just be something that we know and we would even read, but we would have an impartation and a personal experience, a personal journey and He would open the eyes of our heart to see and experience this Psalm 91 anointing to be hidden in the shadow of the Almighty.  To be you know safe and protected in His arms, to fear nothing if you read through this, no disease would touch us, every kind of calamity would be around us; but we God’s people will stand untouched.  We will make God our refuge, even evil can’t get close to us.  It can’t come through the door Sid.  He’s sent His angels to keep us to just protect us and God says if you will hold on to me for dear life, I’ll get you out of any trouble.  So I just speak forth today any trouble, any trouble, any trouble that you are going through it may seem dark; you may be going through the dark night of the soul today.  You may be facing something that seems so daunting, but the Lord says in the Name of Jesus that He is your shelter, He will lift you up.  He will carry you, He will be your strong right arm and He, He, He will lead you and blow on you and revive you and refresh you with His presence in the Name of Jesus.  And I just also feel like the Lord is setting someone free right now.  It is almost like and inferiority complex like you felt like you are not enough.  That you’ve just, it’s almost like this voice in your head for your whole life has just been tormenting you and beating you down.

Sid:  But no more is it going to beat you down.