SID: Woah, I could sure feel that. Now you pray.

ADRIAN: Amen, and together with that it’s partner, of course, is the Spirit of understanding. And one of the 7 Spirits of God so that you can see beyond the picture or the story that God is giving you. So that you can peel away the onion and see what’s at the core of what it is that God wants to say to you. So what we have in the gift of understanding, we impart to you right now. So touch that screen again, and Father, right now I thank You for impartation. And I can sense the presence of God as it were ministering right now to you, and imparting to you, a gift of understanding. Release it right now, in Yeshua, in the mighty name of Yeshua ha Mashiach, Amen.

SID: Whoa, is there anything else either of you wants to impart? Wow, there’s such a flow of God’s Spirit.

ADAM: I just feel for visions.

SID: For visions?

ADAM: yeah.

SID: Go; go for it!

ADAM: Father, I just prophesy Lord. There’re some people out there very hungry and one of the inspirations in my life that God has used for a ministry was a man called William Branham. And there’re so many people out there who are believers, who are hungry for that same type of mantle, and I believe it’s going to come into such a great, in a great way, on a corporate level, for this End Time revival. And I prophesy, even the unbelievers out there. Lord, they’re going to see visions, they’re going to have visions of Jesus, they’re going to have encounters of Yeshua. In the name of Jesus, I prophesy this in Jesus’ name; Lord, visions, encounters. Put your hands on the screen right now, put your hands on the radio, and I prophesy, Holy Spirit there’s an impartation where they have visions, in the night. There are visions of Jesus, the revelation of Jesus Christ, there are visions of words of knowledge that You are showing some of these believers for their unsaved families. For years, some people that I’m getting words of knowledge now, there’re some people here for years. Their finding their families so hardened, and they’ve been persecuted, but these visions, what takes is a few visions of the secrets of one person’s heart. And crack open their heart to receive the impartation of the Holy Spirit, and I thank You for revival that’s breaking out, in the families of America, and worldwide. I prophesy this in Jesus’ name.

SID: Wow, I tell you what. I was saying, half of your life is in bed.

ADRIAN: [laughs]

ADAM: [laughs]

SID: Well, no, a third of your life is sleeping. But what if it’s not wasted time beyond restoring your body. What if it’s a time that God can get right into your heart, and no filters, and be able to warn you of things that are about ready to happen, be able to show you the good things that he has for your life, be able to change the bad stuff. I mean you don’t want to see the bad stuff just to see the bad stuff; you want to change. Well, this book; did God tell you to do this or was it just a rational thing to do based on what was going on?

ADAM: Well, what happened with me. I was a businessman, but I went through a financial meltdown. I was quite well off, and I was in this castle. I lived in this castle, and all my finances went crashing. I mean we had some assets, but the cash flow was completely stopped dead and I wanted, I needed to have money just to have food on the table. So, every Monday night and someone kept leaving food at the end of the table, and food at the end of the door at the house. Someone kept leaving a parcel of food. And every Monday night, I’m thinking, “Well, who’s doing this?” I said to my wife, “Is the raven been yet?” (Laughs)

SID: [laughs]

ADAM: But it turned out, it was this guy, and I haven’t seen him for years. And he—

SID: Why did you do that?

ADRIAN: I don’t know, it was just a God thing. It was a God thing.

SID: I mean, it had to be God. I wouldn’t put a food bag next to someone that I thought was wealthy. [laughs] you knew, you had too.

SID: You know what? When I read Dr. Brown’s information. I mean, there is no doubt that there is a connection between President Trump and Jezebel, and what we see even on the news. Why don’t you explain to them what I already know?

DR. BROWN: Yeah, so when I was here interviewing Jonathan Kahn on this book, The Paradigm, he mentioned President Trump is kind of a Jehu figure. I’d never thought that, but the moment he said, I thought, “Wait a second.” Jehu in the Bible, what does it say? He drives recklessly. Some translations, drives like a madman or a maniac. But he did a lot of good. He was zealous for the cause of God, but there was a lot of collateral damage. So you may love the president, but either way, you see this parallel, a Jehu kind of character, an alpha male kind of character.

DR. BROWN: And when he comes on the scene, Jezebel rises up again. And he’s the one who ultimately takes Jezebel down. And I document the parallels between Jehu and Trump in the book. And here’s what got my attention. When you have someone like Trump, again, whether you like him or not, everyone sees the kind of guy he is. It brings Jezebel up. So the moment President Trump is in, you have this women’s march. This is not just lovely women that just… No, no, no, blow up the White House. And then you also have with it the extreme baby-killing spirit.

DR. BROWN: Again, we’re not talking about someone that struggled and wrestled and, “Should I have an abortion?” We’re talking about shout your abortion. We’re talking about pounding on the Supreme Court–

DR. BROWN: Yeah. During the Kavanaugh hearings. What’s happened is Trump’s pro-life stance, what an unlikely champion of the pro-life movement, and appointing these justices, and laws being passed, it’s bringing out… They’re saying, “This is war. We’re going to fight. We’re going to take it to the streets.”

DR. BROWN: So it’s almost as if Jezebel came out from hiding, and there she is for everyone to see. Now here’s the remarkable thing because we’re not talking about a person. We’re talking about demonic spirits. We’re talking about demons. Running about, principalities, right? So Jehu sees Jezebel. She tries to seduce him, once again, there she is that seductress. And he says, “Who’s on my side?” And it says there are two or three eunuchs. These are castrated males, two or three eunuchs. And they throw Jezebel down.

DR. BROWN: Sid, that’s what has to happen. The castrated males, the men who’ve had their authority stripped from them. All the sitcoms that just make men into this… They’re…. and it’s not Father Knows Best, father is the idiot.

SID: So Jezebel, if I’m hearing you right, it’s Jezebel or the spirit of Jezebel, coming against a dominant male that stands up for biblical causes.

DR. BROWN: Exactly. And what got my attention focused on this is when our friend Pastor John Kilpatrick, on a Sunday service, when the service ended, he said, “Pray for the president because witchcraft is trying to take him down. Jezebel is about to attack.” And then that prayer went viral. The Jerusalem Post even reported on it, favorably actually. The prayer went viral, and when he invited me to preach at his church, just for another reason, the spirit said to him, “Look at Jezebel, look at this. Look.”

DR. BROWN: Even the war on gender that we see, that Bruce Jenner is Woman of the Year. So we’re fighting all these different things. We’re trying to put out a fire here and a fire there. It’s the same demonic power. It’s the same coalition of demonic forces that work through Jezebel, that intimidate with fear, that silence the prophetic voice. The real tragedy is that Jezebel intimidated the prophets by killing them, and we’re not even getting killed, and we’re intimidated because we don’t want to be unfriended on Facebook. And we don’t want our rich board member to leave the church. We’re cowards. We need to speak.

DR. BROWN: When we expose Jezebel… And, Sid, part of the intensity of writing it was the quotes, the shocking things. I go back to what the pagans used to do, the baby killing, the child killing. And what we understand sacrificing babies to Molech, and what it looked like with the giant statue, and the steel, and they heat up the steel and put the babies on it. And then you compare that to late-term abortion. You compare that to infanticide. We have this horrific evil taking place and we’re afraid to speak because we don’t want to offend someone. If that’s not the intimidation of Jezebel, I don’t know what is.

SID: I’ll tell you something. If you can comprehend from digesting the material that God processed through Dr. Michael Brown, you will have answers to questions that you pondered, many you’ve even blamed God for. And, and it’s not him. The spirit of Jezebel does not just affect us on a national level, but also on a personal level. When we return, you’re going to find out how it invades our homes, our schools, and, yes, even our churches. Next, on It’s Supernatural!

Tommy: Everything we have in Christ because of the blood of Jesus. The blood cleanses. The blood sets us free. The blood protects us. The blood of Jesus is a covenant for eternity. Somebody say “The blood .” Jesus is the final sacrifice. Thank God every day for sending Jesus to us. Thank God every day that He sent His son to us. Thank Jesus for what He did for us and still doing for us at the right hand of God right now, interceding, praying for you, praying for me. Now, I want you praying for me, and I want my Grandma praying for me, and I want my Mama praying for me, and I want my Uncle John praying form me, but Jesus is praying for me. Devil you ain’t got a shot, Jesus is praying for me. Devil you might as well leave me alone, Jesus is praying for me. Devil you ain’t got a shot. Jesus is praying for me. You might as well leave me alone. The blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, (laughs) I’m telling you, it’s the blood. Do you realize through prayer the blood can be applied to our family, our job, our finances, whatever, and God will honor it? God will honor it. There’s no magic formula here, it’s only faith in Jesus Christ. That’s the formula. The key is to apply the blood to the Word of God. God supplies, we apply. The Word says the blood does. “And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and thy sons forever.” And we’re celebrating, we’re celebrating today. And forever means forever.

How often should I pray for God to cover me with the blood? Everyday. Everyday. Everyday. ‘Cause the enemy likes to come out in the morning and ruin your day, and the enemy likes to come out at night and ruin your night. Where in the world would you get that? Well, I would go back to David and Goliath. And I would know that Goliath came out in the morning to ruin their day and I would know that Goliath came back in the afternoon to ruin their afternoon and night. But David pointed his finger at him and he said, “The blood, the blood. I’ll kill that uncircumcised giant right there. I’ll do it ’cause God’s on my side. God’s on my side.” Say it! God’s on my side. He’s not against us. God is on my side. Forever means forever. Everyday cover your family. Everyday cover yourself. Satan you hear me real good, you can’t touch me, you can’t touch my family, the blood is covering me. That’s what you say to him. If the blood of an animal could protest, then how much more the blood of Jesus can protect us. The blood of Jesus. At age ten, I was saved at a little church of God in Dora, Alabama. Now Mama and my brother and sisters would go to the little Baptist church that we went to. It was called Second Baptist ’cause we didn’t go to First Baptist, we went to Second Baptist. Anybody with me? But I would go to church with my Grandma at the little Pentecostal church in town because I loved to hear the singing the praise and worship and watch them as they walk across the stage. Do you, don’t remember the day, some of you, I can tell by looking at you, you don’t remember the day when they would take bobby pins and color the tip of them a different color. What are you talking about? Women would take a bobby pin, like my Grandmother would cover, put bobby pins to put her hair up and she would color the tip of the bobby pins red, where my other Grandmother on the other side, the tip of her bobby pins would be blue and another woman in the church would have white bobby pins. Why? Because after they shouted their hair down, they had to go around and pick up the right bobby pins. You didn’t want somebody else’s bobby pins in your hair. So you got all the white ones or the red ones or the blue ones. And I loved to be in that. So I want to be around that, so I go to church with Grandma. But that morning, as that preacher preached, my heart started going nine thousand miles an hour. I mean hush, preaching man; I’ve got to get saved. Hush preaching, I’ve got to get in the altar. I mean hurry up! But he was long winded. Hurry up! I got to get saved and finally, “If you need Jesus…” I jumped and ran. I jumped and ran. Get in the altar. Prayed the sinner’s prayer and got saved. My great uncle prayed for me, I’ll never forget it. My great uncle was the one that put his hands on my head and prayed for me that day and I gave my life to Jesus. I was ten years old. Four months later, I’m a sick young man. Now, my Daddy was an underground coal miner, Walker County, Alabama, my Grandfather worked underground forty-four years, my grand-my Daddy worked underground forty years digging coal.

LARRY: This is Larry Sparks. Welcome back to “Something More”. Now we’re talking about how you live in two realms at one time, how you live in Heaven and on earth. Now let me tell you this, that so many of us have received these promises or prophesy’s from the Lord and you might be asking, “Okay Larry, I’ve got this great prophesy, I’ve got this great promise, but it has not come to pass.” And you know what? I believe there is a process of stewarding a word of the Lord. That’s the thing, you partner with it. So Adam, what I want us to talk about right now is how do you steward a prophetic promise from the word of the Lord. And you know you have this great four stages, this four-step process to doing this which I think is very practical. And I believe this is a key element of what it means to live in two realms at one time, living on earth and in heaven. So, could you share that?

ADAM: Okay quickly, the Lord has called us all to be prophetic. He’s you know, He speaks to us all and as we grow in our prophetic calling, He does bring correction to us. So, He speaks to us first, kind of like when Jesus said in Matthew, take the plank out of your own eye before you take the speck out of somebody else’s eye. So God speaks to us and He disciplines us and there’s nothing wrong with the word discipline because it’s in Hebrews 12, a father disciplines his son like our Heavenly Father disciplines us. So first He brings…He speaks to us first to bring correction. And then the second stage, He gives us the ability to be able to minister in the body of Christ when it comes to your church forum, in your church environment.

LARRY: Yeah.

ADAM: So you have influence over your church, but first you need to actually build a relationship with your pastor. And it’s very important to build a relationship with your pastor as a prophet because there’s many prophets that can be a little bit you know, gung-ho and they can go from church to church and hijack the microphone and they don’t have any accountability. But it’s very important to build a relationship with your pastor and earn respect and unfortunately, in this world, you do have to earn respect. My father got a medal from the Queen of England and he said to me once when I was a young child, he said, “You have to earn respect in this world”. So when it comes to being a prophet, you do need to build a relationship with your pastor. Someone said to me once, “Well, my pastor doesn’t receive the things of the Spirit and he doesn’t understand the things of the Spirit.” Well, you need to pray and ask the Lord where you need to be because you need to go and fellowship somewhere where you are likeminded.

LARRY: Absolutely.

ADAM: And it says that in even Acts 2, when God poured out His Spirit, they came together and they were like-minded and there was a sound like a mighty rushing wind. So it’s important to have a relationship with your father, excuse me, to have a relationship with your pastor, I should say and build credibility. And then, and then after you earn respect and you actually have that governmental role in the church as a prophet, then you actually, you can actually have that influence in the marketplace. So you can, for example, dream interpretations or the prophetic is very good for you know, being an evangelist.

LARRY: Yeah, sure it is.

ADAM: So uh, that way, I’ve had a lot of influence in the marketplace like that. I was China once and I was in the Bank of China, in the boardroom, and I actually was interpreting dreams in the actual board room of the Bank of China and I was ministering to some people there, some businessmen. And when I was interpreting a dream to one of the businessmen in China, in the Bank of China, he started to tear up and he was very emotional and he said that “When I was a boy, when I was a young man, they told me there was no God,” and so I had the opportunity to pray for him and lead him to Christ. So we can have influence in the marketplace.

LARRY: Yes.

ADAM: And then we can come to a place where, after we have done that, we come into a place where we have influence with the government, in the government arena. So, I’ve done that in Papua, New Guinea, where I released a word in Papua, New Guinea for the whole nation on the public radio. I released a prophetic word to the whole nation of seven million people.

LARRY: Wow! Wow.

ADAM: And also went into the parliament and released a word to some of the government officials. So, that’s how we go into these four stages. I believe that God speaks to us first, He brings correction, and then we have influence in our church arena, and then in the marketplace, and then we actually play a part in a government role.

LARRY: Well, what I want to do, because as you were talking about this, I’m sure some of our folks at home are thinking to…they’re thinking, “Well, that’s great for Adam. Those are great testimonies and those are great stories because he’s a prophet,” but I actually believe that what God was doing is He was using Adam’s process there. Because even though you may not consider yourself a prophet in terms of the office of a prophet, you are most likely a prophetic person. Do you know why? Because all believers are called to be prophetic people because you have the Holy Spirit living inside of you. So I sense, based on what Adam was saying, as we go into the next segment, I actually believe, more than a teaching and more than us just conversing about this, God wants to activate you. Because I believe there are places in the marketplace, there are places in the nations, there are places that God wants to send you. And He wants to take you on, a process. He wants to take you on a journey so that you will be a good steward of the power of the age to come that we read about in the book of Hebrews, [music] so that you can release that in the here and now. So stay tuned. In this next segment, we are going to actually activate that in Jesus’ name.

SID: Most people believe God, repeat the promises of God and don’t have the results that they expect. Is there something missing? You two have taught me and thousands of other people how to pray from the heart. To me, that is the missing ingredient with most believers.

DENNIS [Dr. Dennis Clark]: Absolutely.

SID: Jennifer, there’s a subject that you hear a lot about and it’s soul ties.

JENNIFER [Dr. Jennifer Clark]: Right.

SID: But soul ties are we think in terms of a sexual attraction, a man towards a woman. That soul tie, but it’s more than even the sexual arena. What does that mean?

JENNIFER: Well, a soul tie means there’s an emotional connection. Soul ties can be good or bad, Godly or ungodly, clean or unclean. The ingredient that makes a soul tie bad and even gives it demonic hell is if there is lust involved.

SID: Dennis, give me a real life example of someone you helped with a soul tie.

DENNIS: I can give you the one that comes to mind immediately is a man who was saying it was non-sexual. He says, “I’ve just got to get ministry. I’ve got this hard, difficult relationship with my mother. It’s like she interferes with our marriage in the sense that she’s calling all the shots and as much as I know better, I can’t stop from letting her run the show.” So, I had him pray in my office and when he got free, I could discern his spirit that it was free, but he said, “I feel like something broke.” His phone rang immediately and it was his mother and she says, “Why have you cut me off? I know it.” That brought in another important truth. When there is demonic activity with a soul tie, yes it starts out emotional but that demonic activity is like an invisible umbilical cord that connects and it’s looking for a connection.

DENNIS: If you’ve got unresolved needs that you’re not letting God meet that need, you’re finding some other way, that thing is going to connect. I’ve had another one was even a pastor who said he had married, happily married. Ran into a childhood sweetheart. Hadn’t seen her for 10 years and instantly he scared himself that the attraction was so strong, this was a happily married man.

JENNIFER: Was so strong.

DENNIS: But it was so strong he called me up and he says, “You know what? I want someone to pray with me on this.” He said, “I’ve frightened myself. I ran into her, haven’t seen her in 10 years.”

SID: So, he thought it was over, but it was just like he hadn’t missed a beat.

DENNIS: Exactly. He was surprised.

JENNIFER: You prayed with him and he was free of that.

DENNIS: Oh absolutely. Yeah. He got free, but he was shocked. The part he was shocked about was that was 10 years ago.

JENNIFER: Time makes no difference if you don’t know how to break the attachment.

DENNIS: Right. You can try, try, try, but it really has to be a spiritual disengagement so to speak that has to be severed. That umbilical cord.

JENNIFER: It doesn’t have to take a long period of time. Once you know how to do it, it can be just about instant.

DENNIS: Yes. But they just have to be able to identify it and a lot of times it takes an old connection. Now, we’re talking people connections, but it can go into so many areas that I’m seeing it rob people of their destiny. That’s what really troubles me it’s because it’s the counterfeit to proper relationships with people, places, or things.

JENNIFER: Then you have people forming relationships with other people to get an emotional need met and they’re actually using and manipulating another person and lo and behold, the person they’re attached to is using them. So, that is getting to be very, very common. God wants to put relationships together. He doesn’t want us using people to meet our needs.

DENNIS: In other words, one of the things that we saw and it was important is most professional men, even in the secular realm, if you were a doctor, a lawyer–

JENNIFER: Pastor, counselor–

DENNIS: Pastor, counselor and if you looked at your bookings for the day and you saw I’ve got Ralph at 9:00, I got so and so at 10:00, I got Sally at 11:00. If there was even a mild emotional stimulation, they should all be treated neutral. They’re clients. To get excited over one appointment over the other ones should be a red flag saying there’s something here that I need to put my guard up and take it to the Lord.

SID: I meet so many believers, this is related, that are for lack of better words, emotionally crippled and as a result, they sabotage themselves their whole life and they don’t even realize that they’re doing it and they have such potential if they could just clear up that baggage they’re carrying along with their emotional issues. I find this almost everyone is dealing with this, but when we come back I want to find out the most important key for total freedom. Be right back.

DAVID: “How do I get back in?” I said, “It’s really simple. Just lay down – you lie on your bed and just start to remember that time you were in Heaven. Just imagine it, remember it, what it was like.” And your mind is a gateway, you know. your – your words are a gateway, but your thoughts are too; “As a man, thinks, so is he.” And as you start to think and remember, many times that gate will be [SNAPS FINGERS] instantly wide open immediately, and you ‘re – and before you know it you ‘re back in! Just like if you talk about the glory, suddenly the glory shows up. You start thinking about and remembering what happened; many times it opens it right up, just by doing that.

SID: Now let me ask you a question. Have you  obviously I’ve been to your meetings, and you ‘ve found that many people get healed of many unusual things at your meetings.

DAVID: Um hm.

SID:  but from a distance, can someone be healed? Like we’re – we’re in –

DAVID: Sure.

SID: t- in – internet now with this.  can – can someone be healed just watching us right now?

DAVID: Oh yeah! They can be healed; even raised from the dead! We’ve seen both from a distance! Um, –

SID: G-give me an example of one person.  in fact, the one that comes to mind that we were talking about earlier is where you knew someone’s name –

DAVID: Yeah.

SID: when you were speaking. Tell me about that.

DAVID: Yeah. So I was moving in the prophetic, and the word of knowledge, and I said, “There’s someone”, I forgot the name now, but I was in Hammond, Louisiana. I gave the first and last name of a man. It’s wonderful when you get accurate like that. Only problem is [VIDEO BEGINS] nobody lifted their hand that was for them.

SID: Hm.

DAVID: So I go, “Is anyone here by that name?”; nobody raised their hand! And I said “oh, great”. And finally a woman comes up and says, “Well that’s my husband’s name, but he’s not here.” She didn’t tell me what was wrong. She stood up, raised her hand. I said, “Well, we’ll pray for you , for him. We’ll -” “you ‘ll stand in proxy for him.” And I just said, “Come back”, three times. She fell out in the Spirit. The next day, she came to the meeting [VIDEO ENDS] and told me, “you didn’t know this, but my husband was in a coma for 4 days.”

SID: And you called his name out.

DAVID: Called his name, and I said, “Come back.”

SID: Hm!

DAVID: But in my natural, I thought, “Oh maybe he left her”, or something, and –

SID: Um hm.

DAVID: no; he was [VIDEO BEGINS] gone. Like, his, “Come back.ö he was in a coma! And the hour that I called his name and she fell out! in the Spirit, he came back too.

SID:  and, –

SID: like, in a little while, if we pray what do you believe is going to happen to people that are just watching this? [VIDEO ENDS]

DAVID: Well I believe the presence of God is already here; it’s in their homes. And if they’ll believe when we begin to pray, the moment we pray, things will begin to happen. They can believe if I give a word of knowledge. Even if I don’t give them a specific word, while they’re listening, they can just begin to get in the Spirit and start to declare their miracle, and they’ll also see miracles.

SID: You know, a lot of people miss this, because let’s say David or myself function in the word of knowledge, which we do; we may not say the condition that you ‘re believing God for, so well don’t miss what David just said. He said whether he says it or I say it or NOT, it’s yours, in the glory. Now, tell me you ‘ve been teaching on these subjects. Tell me about it’s actually [VIDEO BEGINS] the “Aligning With Heaven” package. It’s the book and the 3 CDs.

DAVID: Um hm.

SID: when you teach on this, [VIDEO ENDS]

SID: when you – people read the book, tell me the feedback you get. What’s going to happen to someone that goes through this “Aligning With Heaven” package?

DAVID: People tell me they wish they had this information and revelation 20 years; their whole life would have been different. They’re SO thankful, because they’re seeing prayers that they’d never seen answered in 20-, 30-years get answered within hours, days and weeks. There’s realizing there’s an acceleration. “My people perish for lack of knowledge”, the Bible says. Because we don’t KNOW that we have the right to GO that way TO God, we don’t get the results; so it’s a HUGE revolutionary transformation over people.

SID: tell me – tell me a few of the more popular teachings they get from the CDs and they get from this book.

DAVID: There’s another teaching about how to activate your DNA into God’s DNA, because the blood of Jesus is very powerful – the blood of Yeshua. And in your bladder – your DNA – there’s memory; you – there’s memory of your sins, –

SID: I know this; yes.

DAVID: and that – your past sins; but there’s also memory of blessings down your family line. And a lot of us only break the curses on our family line, but we don’t liberate the blessings off our family line. Even if they weren’t saved, you can ask the Lord to –

SID: You know, I’ve never HEARD of that before. How did you ?

DAVID: Well the Lord [CHUCKLES] began –

SID: How did you even know about that?

DAVID: the Lord began to show me stuff, and I said, “Well let me test this out!”, and I started testing it on myself. And on my Jewish side I had relatives that were scientists, and they knew 12 languages, and they were in business, and government; and I started asking God –

SID: I’ll take a little of YOUR DNA! [LAUGHS]

DAVID: I asked – [CHUCKLES] – I asked – I want some of yours!

SID: [LAUGHS]

BILL:  But Paul and Jude and Jesus said that people would come and they’d fall away, fall away. And by 500 A.D. the Church had gone into complete fallen away. And all the truths of the New Testament had been done away with or formalized into a religious form or belief but there wasn’t any experience of it and so they taught the words but not the experience. A form of godliness but no life and power in them.  Well that was a thousand years that was all lost. But in 1700 with Martin Luther God started the restoration of the Church. That’s called the Second Reformation. So just to give you a nutshell view of it. The 1500’s was the Protestant Movement. Mainly it was justification by faith and breaking away from the old Dark Age Catholic Church that had become to be established. And justification by faith and all of that goes with it. I mean hours on that. Then in 1600 you had the Anabaptist Movement of water baptism by immersion. That was added back into the Church. Then in the 1700’s you had John Wesley and the whole holiness movement of sanctification, living a holy, victorious life. Then the 1800’s you had the divine healing movement with A.B Simpson, a Presbyterian who got revelation of healings and the atonement and started teaching you can be healed, delivered in your body as well as saved in your soul and spirit.     

KYNAN:  Hmm.

BILL:  Then in 1900 we had the Pentecostal Movement where for the first time since the early days God restored back the gift of the Holy Spirit with speaking in tongues. 

KYNAN:  Mmm.

BILL:  And that, and then that’s the reason in my book that I talk about “Seventy Reasons for Speaking in Tongues” and   then in the latter part talks to people who say why don’t all Churches teach this?

KYNAN:  Yeah. Yes, yes.

BILL:  And I say well in the Protestant Movement you had the Episcopalian, Presbyterian, and Lutherans, churches formed from them. In the Evangelical Movement of 1600 are your Baptist Churches and Evangelical Churches sprung up from them. In the Holiness Movement you had your Nazarene, Methodist, all the holiness churches, Church of God, all those holiness churches sprung up. But that wasn’t a part of the revelation. Then 1800 you had the Christian and Missionary Alliance sprung up from A.B. Simpson’s teaching but they didn’t have the revelation on speaking in tongues. When in 1900 when the Pentecostal Movement came there was a release of the restoration of the Holy Spirit’s gift of your own spirit language and then all the churches from thereon that have been established in the Pentecostal Movement, then the Restoration Movement, the Charismatic Renewal and the Faith Movement, Prophetic and Apostolic, all of those teach the speaking in tongues through the spirit in them. And that’s the reason if you’re a Baptist, Methodist or Evangelical you weren’t taught that the Holy Spirit gift is for us today cause it was not restored yet back into the Church. 

KYNAN:  Now Dr. Hamon, let me ask you something. What is the connection between this revelation of the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues and the Church living victorious today? How important is that for believers to understand?

BILL:  Well in my “Seventy Reasons for Speaking in Tongues” book I explain that there are so many things it does for you. One of the best things to illustrate it is you got your own building and a hydroelectric power plant! And it’s a Holy Ghost power plant!  

KYNAN:  I love that!

BILL:  And what it is is the Bible says be filled with the Spirit! Well it was like they build a dam. I went through the Hoover Dam out there. They build a dam to make a reservoir and a river lifts up, fills it up. Then they have overflow things where if it gets too full it can overflow. But down in the lower part of the dam they have these great big water gates and they have a great big gate that opens up and there’s a turbine in there. And that turbine, zzzzz, you know it’s like a big ol’ airplane blades you know in their engine and curved blades and then when that water hits that it turns it real fast and it turns a great big dynamo and this big dynamo is like Ezekiel says a wheel in the middle of a wheel starts turning and I looked in the dam and they had about twenty of them big as this building, you know, and they started “mmmm” and they produce electricity. Now we have the water gate is our mouth.

KYNAN:  Come on!

BILL:  You got to open your mouth!

KYNAN:  That’s good.

BILL:  And then you have a turbine called a tongue.

KYNAN:  (LAUGHS)

BILL:  And when Jesus said out of your innermost being shall flow rivers of living water and when that river comes up it flows through your turbines. It turns a dynamo of your spirit when the Holy Spirit are one and it generates the love of God, the power of God, the gifts of the Spirit, everything that heaven has to offer can be generated by praying in tongues!

KYNAN:  Oh that’s powerful!

BILL:  It’s the generator, it’s the activator!

KYNAN:  So if I’m hearing you correctly every single believer has access to this Holy Spirit power that you’re talking about.

BILL:  YES!

KYNAN:  And as we begin to place a demand on this dynamo on the inside of us…

BILL:  Right!

KYNAN:  …which is the Holy Spirit, we’re going to see that power flow through us. So this is what Jesus meant when He said “out of your belly shall flow rivers of living water.”  

JAMIE: What I’m about to tell you is so real to me. Remembrance is supernatural! The ability to remember is supernatural! If I asked you to remember your last miracle moment could you do it? I mean many of us could, some of us would struggle. I think it might have been yesterday, 5 weeks ago, 2 days ago – I – it was something – oh yes, it was that moment. He says why do you not remember! Watch this. I was in my – I was sleeping one night. I had a dream. This is real. I had a dream and this showed me the power of remembrance. I was in a dream and I was doing something. However, when I woke up I couldn’t remember. And have you ever been in a moment where you wake up from a dream it’s so real, so tangible and all of a sudden it starts to dissipate from you?

AUDIENCE: Yes.

JAMIE: I was in one of those moments. My son at the time was thinking he was a dinosaur every single morning. So he’d wake up, he’d roll out of bed and try to find mommy and daddy. He’s come into the room and he’d go “Rr Rr Rr” trying to find mommy and daddy. Now if you’ve ever had a dream that’s from God and you have a loud noise it can shake you out of remembrance. And I knew my son’s coming close. He’s not the enemy but his voice is actually causing my memory to fail. I can’t remember. All of a sudden this thing is dissipating from me. What happened? What happened? What was the dream? What was the dream? What was the dream? My son’s getting closer and closer. Arrrhg. Arrrgh. And I go no, please remember, please remember. What was the dream! And I get up. I stand up because I’m like, ah, ah. All right. I forgot the dream. I’m just going to let it be. And I stood up to receive my son, happy, good morning and when I did, as my son is turning around the corner saying “Hi Dad!” I see an angel of God sitting in-between my son and me in the natural! He’s dressed like a soldier and he’s got a smile from ear to ear. He’s looking at me and he’s like –

AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

JAMIE: And then in that moment he disappears. When I saw him as he smiled at me I go “ah!” I remember. I was in the dream with him. And we were walking around and he was showing me how to operate in the supernatural! He was giving me clues and tips and techniques even of what it looks like to walk in the supernatural! That memory would have been lost but memory is supernatural! So here’s what Jesus says: How is it you don’t remember? And they say, well, he goes when I broke the 5 loaves for the 5,000 how many baskets full of fragments did you take up? They said “12.” And when I broke the 7 for the 4,000 how many large baskets full of fragments did you take up? They said “7.” He says how is it you do not understand? Here’s what’s amazing to me. The disciples didn’t see the miracle while it was happening! They didn’t even see the multiplication of the loaves and fish! They’re just doing it. They’re caught up in the moment. But do they stop to see the sign? If you have something supernatural happen to you, stop and see the sign! The sign is pointing to Jesus. The sign is pointing to God’s glory! But stop and see the sign! What is really taking place here? And I find we often move past the sign so fast because we’re afraid we’re going to, we’re going to take away from our love for Jesus. But here’s what I find we end up doing. We take from God’s glory! We need to glorify Him for this moment! He says why is it you don’t remember? You still don’t get it! God wants you to have supernatural and He wants you to recognize these moments all around you! But here’s what I want to propose to you. This is going to help you. First Corinthians 15, it tells us this: It says that first the natural and then the spiritual. The spiritual does not come first, however, the natural comes first and then the spiritual. If I could rephrase it like what I would say: The natural and then the supernatural. The natural first and then the supernatural comes second. However, we want to see things in the spirit and manifest them in the natural. God actually is manifesting them in the natural to us so that we can see what is going on in the spirit.

AUDIENCE: Yes.

JAMIE: Let me give you an example. My daughter. We were teaching her about hearing the voice of God and she was going through a moment where she was not knowing whether she was to choose one thing or the other. And we said why don’t you go outside and process this? Why don’t you pray and process this? And we said God’s going to speak to you. So we see her outside on a bench. She’s sitting there. We said “go.” First, it was a little struggle, a little fight. She wasn’t like “yay! I get to go pray.” But she was like “okay! Fine!” And she sits down and she gets this “aha” moment like God is speaking to her. She stands up and we see her through the window and she’s like I know what I’m supposed to do! I know what God’s saying! I know what I’m supposed to do! And in that moment there was this swirl of leaves that started swirling in a swirly pattern all around her and it kept going and going and going for minutes! She looks, she’s going “what is this?” I said “honey, it’s an angel of God! He’s speaking to you and it’s a sign to you that he’s there, he’s literally there in the winds of God speaking to you right now!” She stood back. She goes “Ah! Ah! Ah! God is speaking to me!” Now most of us who have been trained well that’s when the coolness hits the warmth and there’s a cycle and an effect and science tells us. However, God wants us to see what’s hidden in plain sight!

AUDIENCE: Oooh!

LARRY: Yeah. Let me ask you a question because some people might read that and obviously read passages in the Old Testament, even in the New Testament, where it says are all prophets? And obviously not all are prophets in terms of office.

JAMIE: Right.

LARRY: Not all are prophets in terms of an – not all are “see-ers” in terms of being a formal office of a “see-er,” but let me ask you this question. Do you believe all believers, all believers who have the Holy Spirit living inside of them can see into the spirit realm?

JAMIE: Absolutely. I know the Holy Spirit reveals to us the deep things of God because He’s searching the heart and mind of God to know what it is that He wants to reveal to us. So we are called to see not based on a gift or based on a function but out of relationship! See what it is that the Father is showing us.

LARRY: Yeah, yeah.

JAMIE: You know Jesus Himself He says the Son can do nothing of Himself but what He sees the Father doing. And He’s not really talking about the Apostle can do nothing of himself.

LARRY: That’s true.

JAMIE: The prophet can do nothing of himself. He’s talking about the Son can do nothing of Himself and He’s speaking in third person in John 5:19 and 20. But He’s trying to relay a message. This relationship, this dynamic and the results of this relationship happen because the Son sees what the Father is doing.

LARRY: Yeah. Are there practical things because I want to get into this in our next segment. Are there practical things you think a believer can do, a Christian can do that actually help activate this in their lives?

JAMIE: Absolutely! 100%. And I feel if we can de-mystify this for people, you know really make it simple, make it super user-friendly I think we’re going to get around the kind of scary, eerie type stuff and then really get into the nuts and bolts and understand what it is the Father is trying to give us.

LARRY: Yeah, cause I think that you’re totally right. I think perhaps that’s where there is confusion and concern about it only because there’s a lack of information. There’s a lack of knowledge and you’re talking about making it user-friendly and really super-relatable to people.

JAMIE: Absolutely!

LARRY: Yeah.

JAMIE: It’s all out of relationship you know and so we’re called to worship God with our heart, soul, mind and strength and when that word “strength” in relationship to our new believer understanding is that we can use our body to worship God. I can glory God in my body!

LARRY: Yeah. Yeah.

JAMIE: So I can glorify God with my eyes. I can glorify God with my ears. You know with my mouth, with my nose. And I find, and I’ll talk about this a little bit if you’d like.

LARRY: Yeah!

JAMIE: But really understanding that our bodies are an antenna for the Holy Spirit!

LARRY: Wow! Wow!

JAMIE: We’re wired to see what it is that He’s doing.

LARRY: Yeah.

JAMIE: We are naturally supernaturally wired to hear what it is that He’s speaking, to smell Him what it is that He’s up to, and some of these different ways that we see are not always with our eyes which is super interesting. And so if I could just replace the word “see-er” with “perceiver” maybe that would help people because often we see but are we always seeing with our eyes?

LARRY: Yes. Yeah. You know what? In the next segment what I want to talk about as you’re talking about this is I feel like the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit wants people to understand the languages of God and God’s first language is not Hebrew. God’s first language is not Greek, it’s not English. I believe the language of God is really the language of the Holy Spirit. And there are so many different languages that God wants His people to tap into. Let me let you know Acts chapter 2, the fruit of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit includes dreams and visions. We’ve gotten prophecy, we’ve gotten tongues, there’s certain aspects of the outpouring that we’re walking in but I believe that the Lord wants to release a fresh hunger that we’d operate in the realm of dreams and visions in that revelatory world that God is calling us into. So in the next segment I’m going to have Jamie talk about that a little bit. Creating your body as an antenna for the Holy Spirit and how God actually wants to speak to you very uniquely and how you can learn His different languages! Stay there! Don’t go away!

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CLEDDIE: You know I believe that every one of us, are candidates for something fresh and new from God! Just about the time you’ve got Him figured out He has a way of changing! How many of you have noticed that?

AUDIENCE: Amen.

CLEDDIE: And so you there’s an interesting thing that happens when we begin to cry out to God! I have a friend that’s from India. He’s Ratnam Paul. He was kicked out on the streets when he was a child. God called him to preach. Do you know how he built his church? He didn’t say God give me buildings. He’s had four buildings and different people have burned them down. The Buddhists have burned him down. Other religions have burned them down. And he has about 200,000 people that come together every Christmas for a prayer meeting but he never prayed God give me a building. You know what he prayed? He said God give me people! God give me people! God give me people! What would happen in America if all of a sudden the pastors would begin to pray God give me people! Give me people! That’s what Jesus wants! He needs people! Those that are watching us around the world you can pray that way. I have a friend that is over the lottery in South Africa. It’s a 9 billion dollar lottery. I just came back from South Africa just a few months ago and he’s building a 36,000 seat facility.

AUDIENCE: Mm!

CLEDDIE: He was in prison with Mandela for eight years. He was beaten every day. He went to a revival, a Reinhard Bonnke revival and he got saved! I’m telling you the Gospel can reach anybody! The Gospel can reach those that are watching around the world! The Gospel is the Good News and it can reach your sons and your daughters and your families, glory to God! I thank God for the power of the Gospel! I am not ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ for it is the power of God unto salvation to all who believe!

AUDIENCE: Yes! Woo! [CLAPPING]

CLEDDIE: You see there are people that have fought against things that you and I don’t even know anything about and so I think some people won’t have a real move of God in their life because they have a track record of preferring the past! Do you prefer the past? Are you setting here preferring, you got to really be honest with yourself as in what our face answers face so the heart of man to men I’m preaching to your heart? Do you prefer the past? You prefer the past if you say well we’ve never done it that way before. That’s the people that prefer the past. And so we come to an hour like this and we know that God has to do something. He has to do something! He has to do something but it starts in the heart of His people that begin to cry out and begin to long for the glory of God to break through! You see if you prefer the past your past is your future! I don’t look to the past for preference. Have I seen things in the past? Oh, I could tell you things that I’ve seen in the past as I’ve walked with Him. As my family walked with Him. The miracle that my daughter was born with infantile glaucoma. She became you know Mrs. America at one time in her life. There are so many people that need to understand that we can have great things that happen in our past but we can’t camp there! We can’t stay there! We’ve got to go on. He said Call upon Me and I’ll answer you and show you great and mighty things that you know nothing about! Hallelujah! I’m getting blessed right now!

AUDIENCE: [CLAPPING] Glory to God!

CLEDDIE: I was in Vacaville California preaching and I was out there with Dave and I was preaching out there and I came in the church one night and Sid, it was a crazy thing. Ever have God give you crazy things? I come into the church one night to preach and we’d been having a move of God. There’d be three or four hundred people there before we even came in the door. They’d all be on their faces crying out to God for revival. Have you ever done that? Have you ever gone to church early? Have you ever become a person that’s a vanguard? Somebody that’s going to lead the way? Like a lead duck? You say hey! I’m going to start a move of God! I’m going to start a rebellion against the spirit of lustfulness and slothfulness! I’m going to start the rebellion of one! And I’m going to believe God to help others to join me in the mutiny against the doldrums that we live in this time! How many of you would like to do that? I challenge you to do it! Amen! I challenge you to be the army of one that begins to cry out to God like you’ve never cried out to God before! I was sitting in the hotel room and I begin to think well these people are going up you know and they’re gambling at Lake Tahoe. It’s down in the valley. They’re gambling at Lake Tahoe. That’s what’s ran through my mind. And then all of a sudden I got this little thing came into my mind. Not me! I’m pushing my chips to the middle of the table. And I walked into the church and I was sitting on the first row waiting for all the worship to stop and I started thinking [singing] I’m pushing my chips to the middle of the table.

AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

CLEDDIE: [still singing] Pushing my chips to the middle of the table. All my chips to the middle of the table cause I’m betting on God!

AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

CLEDDIE: Look, you’re not going to win the hand till you push it all in! You go all in! Come on: all in!

AUDIENCE: All in!