YVON: For me, I used to think that God allowed everything, the evil and the good, and I wasn’t able to distinguish between the two. But by God’s grace, I received healing. I received great healing into an encounter, where later on in life, God showed me that he was right there with me. He embraced me. And He said to me, “I want you to love Muslims. I want you to distinguish between Islam and Muslims. Islam is demonic, but Muslims are victims, and you are to love them because you’re about to be used mightily in their midst.”

SID: And you know what’s so amazing to me? You have seen so many miracles on yourself, but you still did not really believe it was God’s will to heal everyone. Some of you are in that category, too. You believe God heals, but you don’t really believe it’s God’s will to heal everyone, especially you. What do you say?

YVON: Yes, Sid. And I grew up in a church, unfortunately, where I never saw a miracle, never. And I received a lot of bad theology, which basically taught that Jesus healed to prove that he was God. And now that the Bible has been put together, then we no longer need to do this. And so, this was what I grew up with. Now, I was challenged reading the Bible, and I must say a lot of people are challenged, because where do you go from Mark 16? Where do you go, where it says, “Believers lay their hands on the sick, and they shall recover.”

YVON: Well, I was a believer, but I never experienced that. So, that’s what I grew up with. And so, when that miracle happened to me, I just thought, “Well, God is just able to do all things, but it’s not his will to heal. And you don’t even need healing for your Christian journey. In actual fact, God doesn’t even care about your body.” That was my theology, “God cares about you getting to Heaven and getting saved, but your body that’s material. God doesn’t care about that,” until he shook my world.

YVON: I guess the first experience was after I got baptized in the Holy Spirit, I had a skin condition for three years.

SID: Couldn’t a doctor help you?

YVON: No. That’s the thing. I went, literally, to every single doctor. And we had pharmacies, and I used every single product that there is. So then I came to a position where that’s not going to work, and one of the doctors suggested that I would go to see a specialist, which I did. He diagnosed me and he gave me a terrible report. He said to me, “I don’t know where you contracted this virus, but that virus is going to cause your nails to fall off. And unfortunately, it will deform your skin and eat away your skin.” That was the word. He had no cure.

YVON: And I remember, I came in my car, I sat in my car, and I had just been baptized in the Holy Spirit. So I started my car and I was speaking in tongues, because I love doing that. So I’m sitting in the car, enjoying God, because God just wants me to be filled in the Holy Spirit. And as I’m praying, He breaks in. He said, “I want to heal you.” And I pretended like I didn’t hear him. I was like—

SID: Why?

YVON: Because I was scared. I was very scared. Why? I was scared that if that healing did not happen, then it would shake my faith. I was in a good position spiritually. I had just received the baptism.

SID: I understand. Boy, the devil is so diabolical.

YVON: Yes.

SID: Go ahead.

SID: Matt, another vital key to have God’s unstoppable power is one that we hear spoken about a lot. It’s love, for at least the pure raw power. How did you first start learning about that, beyond [what] the Bible says?

MATT: Yeah, well you know, Sid, I had a conversation with an amazing man of God, Al Roberts, Dr. Al Roberts, and it was four months before he went home to be with the Lord. And in this time I asked him a question. I said, “Dr. Roberts, can you tell me what was one of the secrets to your miracle ministry?” And he looked at me and he said, “You know, Matt, a lot of people would say it was my faith.” But he said, “When I would go into the hotel room before our big crusades,” he said, “I found myself praying in a certain direction. I found myself praying and asking God for his love. As I started to pray in that way, I would walk into the tent and I’d see the people. And I would feel God’s heart for the people.” And he said, “The miracles began to explode in this movement of the miraculous in our meeting.”

SID: The greatest of these is love.

MATT: The greatest is love. And Galatians five teaches us this, “That faith…” And I love this, “Faith…” Now many translations say, “works by love.” But that word in the Greek means to activate and to set into motion. So our faith, whether it’s for miracles or breakthrough or whatever we need God to do, it’s actually set into motion by love. And I’ve seen it happen.

SID: You say, you can get a breakthrough and you can be a breakthrough.

MATT: Yeah, that’s right. Many times when God does a work in us, He then releases it through us. An example is when my mom was healed, released our breakthrough for other people. So now we’ve seen thousands of people healed and touched by God’s power and the secret of love flowing through us and receiving a divine love that’s above our own love. We’ve seen miracles and people that you would say, it’s impossible. There was a time a woman was carried into our meeting, dying of bone cancer. She looked like a skeleton. She couldn’t walk. They physically carried her in and put her on the front row sitting right next to my mom. And as she was sitting there, she couldn’t move, couldn’t walk. I was praying for folks at the altar and I see my mom, who truthfully exudes the love of Jesus. She just simply put her arms around this lady and held her.

MATT: And I saw her whisper into her ear. And I thought, “Well, she’s praying for her. Well then all of a sudden, I see this woman jump up from the front row and start dancing around the altar, throwing her arms and legs in the air, screaming out, “I’m healed, I’m healed, I’m healed. My son drove me to the meeting. He’s out in the parking lot. I need to go tell him that Jesus healed me tonight.” And she runs right by me right down the center aisle of the church, right out of the building. Carried in, dying of bone cancer and runs out, healed by God. And afterwards I said, “Mom, what happened?” She said, “Matt…” She said, “All of a sudden from my belly, this love rose up on the inside of me. This love for this lady and all I could do was hold her. And as I held her, the power of God went into her body and she got healed.”

SID:  I want everyone that is with us right now to become normal! And so we’re making available Robbie’s book “Do What Jesus Did.” It’s actually a full package. It includes 4 CD’s. And the thing that I want toget into actually on when we come back has to do with the “chutzpah” that you operate under but you’re not the only one in your family that operates under “holy chutzpah.”

ROBBY:  That’s right.

SID:  Your wife did something that astounds me more than the story you just told me but we’ll talk about that when we come back. But this whole series “Do What Jesus Did” package you have these amazing true stories but you have the teaching worked right in along with it. And many people say that you’ll become spiritual giants. You’ll actually emerge as a spiritual giant from this material! What kind of feedback are you getting from ordinary Christians that start harnessing this power?

ROBBY:  Well it’s incredible reports of people coming back that are, that are going out and praying the same way and seeing the same results. And you know I mean they’re tapping into the reality of Christ in them. You know they’re, they’re people who have been praying for change in their community and transformation in their family. I mean the answer is Christ in you and if we have relationship with Jesus Christ then, then it’s there. And the ingredients to do all the things Jesus did lives in us if we have relationship and we’ve been filled with the Holy Spirit.

SID:  And you teach the prophetic, you teach how to heal—

ROBBY:  Absolutely.

SID:  But you teach something that so few believers understand and ministering the presence of God! I want totalk about that also when we come— I’ve got too much to talk to Robby about. For an investment of 39 dollars I’d love to send you the “Do What Jesus Did” package, the 4 CD’s and the Book. And I’ll be back with “Something More!”

SID:  Sid Roth with “Something More!” Our brand new digital show. And I’m talking to Robby Dawkins and I’m having a good time. I hope you’re having as good a time. Robby, you told me something during our break.  

ROBBY:  Yeah. You know with the book “Do What Jesus Did” that I wrote, it came out a couple of years ago, that we have affidavits. It was really important to me because some of the stories are just hard you know I think for people’s heads to get wrapped around. And so we decided, my wife and I prayed about it, and decided that with each one of the stories that were told that we would have affidavits from eyewitnesses or the people that were you know were receiving the miracle or the healing themselves. And so we did that just as an extra step you know just to make sure that we had you know just that validation behind it.

SID:  I know but this book’s been out about 2 years and the things are outrageous of what God’s doing with you right now. Speaking of affidavits, you’ve got something better. You actually had a medical doctor in England when someone actually died on you.

ROBBY:  Yeah.  

SID:  But this time he came back to life. And I am so glad I have the doctor’s testimony right here. And I’ll tell you why. Because the guy that came back to life has a sister that’s a non-believer (laughing) and she wasn’t even there. The guy’s mother was there (laughing) and she’s very upset that this miracle took place. What happened in England?

ROBBY:  Well it was, it was incredible. We had— I love to go to these little, I’ve got quite a following in England and I love the, I love to go to these little churches and just sort of give visions to the pastors and leaders by you know because the Lord’s really blessed me you know to have a good bit of people you know show up and so we had had this pastor had been writing for some time asking me to come and it’s a little you know town, a population of only 180 people and you know the church was far less than that in attendance and you know I just wanted to help give vision and so went there and spent the first part of the day, it was amazing. We went to an area where there was a children’s training area and ministered to some kids and you know saw all the kids. Had the kids pray for each other. Had one kid pray for an instructor who got healed and then you know prayed for one child who had had a burn on her arm, that she’d just come back from the hospital. Had, had a five year old boy pray for her and you know the pain of the burn completely left. It was just amazing.