Perry:  Here’s an old man, he’s probably close to a 100 years of age and he’s had a vision of a flying dragon with seven heads and ten horns, a woman that’s pregnant in the heaven with the dragon trying to eat her and he has all this weird symbolism of a seven sealed book and a Lamb with seven horns and seven eyes and obviously if the Roman people were reading that and looking at that they’d say this guy must have been smoking something. Give him his old scroll and get out a here. God actually allowed the symbolism to protect the book from its destruction by Romans. Everybody got that? So we always want to know why didn’t God just make it simple why didn’t God just say I’m going to destroy Rome one day. Because if he said it that way that book would have never got off the Isle of Patmos. It would have been considered a political book that would have stirred up passions among the Romans. So that’s why the symbolism in it. But let me go back to the original thought which is about John and the Book of Revelation being written. The Book of Revelation was written in 95 A.D. But here’s what Jesus meant when He said, “Some of you shall not taste death ‘til you see the Kingdom.” John on the Isle of Patmos saw the Kingdom before he died. And that Kingdom was he saw the New Jerusalem that no one else had ever seen in the Old Testament. Abraham looked for a city that had foundations whose Builder and Maker was God. But he never saw the city. John gave a description of the city.  John saw the 1000 year reign of Christ which nobody else in the, in the Old Testament, whether it be Moses or the Prophets ever saw. And if you look at the Book of Revelation John saw things that no one saw of how the eternity was going to usher in the New Jerusalem and the Messiah. So John did not die, that’s what Jesus said, ‘til he saw the Kingdom. Now the other thing that we have to cover before we get— and this is just like an introduction here, the other thing we have to cover about the Book of Revelation has to do with this idea in Matthew 24 where Jesus gives all the signs of the times and then He says “this generation shall not pass ‘til all these things are fulfilled.” This confuses a lot of people because in Matthew 24, for example, in verse 1 through 3, he talks about the destruction of the Temple. Then he starts talking about in verse 4, 5, 6 through 8 wars, rumors of wars, famines, pestilence and earthquake and all these are the beginning of sorrows. That’s the English translation, the actual Greek word in Mathew 24:8 is “birth pains.” Then He starts talking about in verse 14 how the gospel is preached and then the end comes. But then the end doesn’t really come because in verse 15 He talks about an abomination that makes Jerusalem desolate. Then He talks about cosmic signs in the heaven, and then He talks about how that things are going to get really bad but the Son of man’s going to come back on the clouds of glory. And then He, then He says this statement that honestly has confused people: “But this generation shall not pass ‘til ALL these things are fulfilled.” Now all of these things would imply the destruction of the Temple, all of the signs of deception, wars, earthquakes, pestilence. And then the cosmic activity that would happen in the heaven, and suddenly the Son of man appearing in the, in the heavens.

SID: My guest is Loren Sandford, and you may recognize his last name because his parents are like household words in the charismatic movement, John and Paul at Sandford. Loren, you were telling me that the last two presidents, President Trump and President Obama, you not only knew they were going to win before the election, but you knew details about them and details about their term. But you were telling me about, and this is important, you were telling me about a dream you had about President Obama.

LOREN: Yes. In this dream I was in a shopping mall and President Obama was there, too. He was going to express his grief to the nation over the shootings that have been going on. And so, I’m walking through the shopping mall and I come to the place where the filming is going to go on. I’m filled with this overwhelming love and impetus from the Lord to go up to Obama, take his hand. And I walked right past the Secret Service guy, and take his hand and say, “Mr. President, would it be all right if I stood with you as you make this announcement to the nation?” And he began to weep in this dream. He began to weep and grabbed hold of my hand like a drowning man. Like, “Oh, please.” I told the stage hands, “Please remove the podium so that we can be seen standing together before the nation in this grief.” And they could see the love.

LOREN: I said, “Lord, what was that all about?” And the Lord said, “There is a mandate for the church in this hour if we’re going to have the effect that we’re called to have. In these days to come, we’re going to have to learn to love with the love of the Father, even the people that we have hated the most, particularly our politicians.” We didn’t really pray for Barack Obama, did we? And we paid for that.

SID: Most evangelicals did not.

LOREN: Yes, most evangelicals did not. And so, I’ve given a call that we must pray for President Trump.

SID: And now, you had so many details about the administrations especially the one in now. But in 2015, God told you about the corruption. What did he say?

LOREN: Yes, the father just said to me very clearly that we were going to see an exposure of corruption at such a level and to such a degree in this nation, that it would rock the nation. At first, I wondered if I was wrong, because it didn’t happen right away. But now we’re seeing it unfold. We’re seeing it begin to erupt. I saw it almost like a boiling pot of yucky stuff.

SID: You also had a word about natural disasters and then new ministries that will evolve.

LOREN: We’ve reached a point in mankind’s history when the earth can no longer bear up under the accumulated sin of mankind and it’s reacting. People will say climate change is because of carbon dioxide and all that. No, the Earth is reacting to the sin of mankind. And so, we have a historic eruption going on in Hawaii, we’ve had fires and historic droughts in California, we were seeing an increase in hurricanes, we’re seeing a lot of climate change going on, we’re going to see more of it.

SID: So, you’re saying that all these horrible things that many say is the judgment of God, it’s just the earth reacting to that accumulated sin.

LOREN: Exactly. The universe operates by law. What you sow, you reap, that’s law. The foolishness of mankind is we think that there’s one law for the physical universe and another law spiritually, so that we can do whatever we want, morally or spiritually and that somehow doesn’t affect us. But it’s the same level of places. That if you jump off the roof of a house, you’re going to die or break your legs. If you sin, something dies or something is polluted, or something is … And it’s the same thing with the earth. We have sown so much pollution, spiritually, morally into the earth, that the earth must react.

SID: Okay. When the earth reacts and we see what’s going on now and what’s coming, what is God going to do with ministries?

LOREN: Yeah, with ministries, here’s what I believe. I believe, first, that he’s going to raise up ministries of compassion. Because this is the hour for Christians to shine with love in every aspect. The revelation of the hour is the Father’s love. If we don’t get hold of that we’re missing the whole thing. The whole world knows what we hate, they need to know what we love. Historically, the Christians won the Roman Empire by loving, not by condemning, not by judging, but by loving. And so, we’re called to be those who are known for their love. So, we’re going to see ministries of compassion rising up out of the Christian community.

LOREN: I also believe that there are certain areas of the nation in the world that are what I would call Cities of Refuge. There’s been tremendous—

SID: I tell you what, hold that thought. When we come back, he had a literal vision of what’s going to happen between now and I believe it was 2020. I want to hear about it. Be right back.

SID: You know, I love it when my guests, in this case Kerry Kirkwood, says, God just told me something. I said, do what I do. Even in introductions, tell us it.

KERRY: I want to speak to families, especially marriages, right now. I feel the prompting of the Holy Spirit. There is a covenant breaking spirit that’s going on in your marriage and you’re blaming circumstances. It’s not the circumstantial evidence, but it’s a spirit, a covenant breaking. And right now Jesus wants you to know that he paid the price for that and for you to pursue after, hearing the Word of the Lord, and speaking over one another and you bless one another. Instead of telling all your friends how bad your husband is, how bad your wife is, you begin to declare to them what Jesus has already said in the beginning and your covenant will be restored, your life will be restored, your perspective of one another will be restored and your whole family will be one, be joined in and you’re going to see a change, everywhere, financially, emotionally, physically, will come into your house.

SID: I want to emphasize, Kerry, but if they say the opposite and magnify the problem it’s going to get a thousand times worse.

KERRY: It’s going to get worse. Magnified problems become magnified.

SID: That’s exactly what God told you. Tell me about the dream you had of Washington, D.C.

KERRY: I don’t have a lot of dreams that I know are prophetic, but I was half awake and I didn’t go to bed thinking about Washington. But in this I was hovering over the map of the United States and I zeroed in on Washington, D.C. I saw small little like campfires scattered all over the United States of America and the more that I watched them, the fires started growing together so that they were no longer divided. But I can hear that these fires were intercessory teams, groups praying, and they were praying very targeted, very specific supplications, very specific to the Lord. And as they began to target this, as in a unity of the spirit, they started joining together and they joined together and started to intensify around Washington, D.C. I saw the most hideous figures that I can’t even describe, blood dripping from fangs and teeth, screaming and hollering as they went up through the flames, and they were screaming and hollering and tearing as they went out of there.

And the Lord said to me, “I’m giving an opportunity for the government seat of this nation to come to the point of recognize that, “On the shoulders of the Lord,” Isaiah 9, “upon his shoulders shall the government be.” And when this happens there is a wave of glory that’s going to go all over the United States and go north and south over North America. And the epicenter of governing in Washington, D.C. is going to be key. But it said they must continue to pray because the demonic, international, of the spirits, demonic spirits from other nations will come and try to come back in because the effect that the U.S. has over other nations. But the saints prevail, the bowls are full and it pushes back, and it’s the Glory of the Lord covering it. In the same way that I saw in Genesis where the fountains of the deep broke open and the Heavens opened, synchronized, with Noah, and the flood started coming, and the Bible said, “It is God, Yah, that rides on the flood.” When the enemy comes in, “like a flood of God” God rides on the flood, not the enemy, and it’s Glory is going to be such a flood and God is going to be in charge of this Glory, not some ministry.

SID: You know what I’m thinking, that there are so many people watching us right now saying, God, I want to do something for you. Show me my ministry. Well do you know what God says, he says to you right now, if I can trust you with little things, I’ll trust you with big things. Do you realize you can be part of that outpouring of the Glory. Wherever you are, you have time, take five minutes, a half hour, an hour, whatever you want to do, and pray for this country. Pray for the country that you’re from. You say, What, will my prayers make a difference? Well there comes a boiling point and you’re needed for that boiling point, and you will be known in Heaven by your prayers on Earth. That I can tell you. Kerry, very quickly, when you teach on take your thoughts captive, give me one nugget from that.

KERRY: Well, Psalm 91, as I said, are really the thoughts of the Lord. Psalm 40 said, “The thoughts of the Lord are numerous to you.” So he’s speaking to us. We just have to tune into that. That we normally think is these thoughts that we take captive are thoughts of the devil, but when we starting cluing in through the Word of God, getting sensitivity through meditation of the Word, we start picking up things that God says to us and then you have to grab hold of what he says, take his thoughts captive. The word “captive” literally means at the point of a spear. They belong to me. And when you take those thoughts captive then, like Paul says in Timothy, “By the words that have gone over you, you can do warfare with those.” So when God says something to you individually, that is ammunition for you to break out of any condition that’s resisting what God has in store for you.

SID: I need you to pray. You have such a revelation of redemption to bring Heaven on Earth. Would you pray for that revelation to just come into us.

KERRY: Yes. Father, I’m asking according to what you’ve already done by sending your son and the blood that’s been on the Mercy seat, because you released it on the day of Pentecost as the outpouring to the siblings of our first brother Jesus. And we receive it now. I call back into health that has been lost. I call back into families that have been divided and bitterness, and wrath has been to them, the Hatfield’s and McCoy’s spirit is broken between them and you’re restoring to them, O God, what you spoke in the very beginning. So we call out of darkness that’s been hidden by the God of this world, blinded, and we call back into the light of their light, the light of the world, Jesus in them, as we break through the darkness that you’ll no longer be blinded, what God said, “This is your inheritance, this is your inheritance based upon Jesus giving you the right to go and claim it. Amen.

SID: And you know what it said, an anointing that breaks the yoke, be broken, yoke. Get off of God’s people in Yeshua’s name.

KERRY: Amen. Amen.