Sid: I have on the telephone someone that everyone listening will agree is red hot for Jesus her name is Margy Palm. I’m speaking to her at her house in San Antonio Texas this housewife, mother of 2 small children on December 11, 1981 was praying in the Spirit and God directed her to go to a particular place and when she got out of her car a gun went into her back and it was she didn’t realize that this man was on the 10 Most Wanted List of the FBI. He had brutally raped and murdered 30 woman previously one just a few hours before. And all of the woman that he had raped and murdered looked a particular way exactly the way that Margy looked. She got into the car and she found a supernatural compassion and love pouring out of her for this man. He didn’t look like anyone you’d want to love he didn’t talk like any one that you’d want to love. I mean vulgarity coming out of his mouth talking about rape and talking about how he murdered people. She didn’t even know how bad it was but it was bad by what she just heard. But there was a supernatural peace and he said “Lady I’ve never met anyone like you before I feel love pouring out of you.” And so Margy then he said “I want you to buy me some beer and cigarettes.” I mean you really had won some trust.

Margy: Hm hm.

Sid: For him to even say that to you.

Margy: Yeah well it was getting to the point where every time he’d say some horrible word he would say “You know I’m so sorry I said that I’m really sorry about that so (Laughing).  But the reason I went into this a 7-11 and did this was because previous to that he said “You know I’m never going back to prison I’ve been in and out of prison since I was 14 and I’m never going back.” And I said “Well you’re in a prison of hatred and there are evangelists that go into prisons.” And he said “Well like who?” And for some reason I named this evangelist and his name is Kenneth Copeland and I have no idea why I named his name at that time it just came out.  And you know I’ll tell you about that later but he just latched on to this name and he said “Well I want to meet this man.” And I said “Well I don’t know him personally.” And he said “Well I want to meet him where does he live?” And I said “Fort Worth.” And he said “Well I want to go to Fort Worth.” And I said “What?” And so he said “Let’s go up through Austin” and I said “Well I know that this is going to sound strange but while you were talking about going to Austin I see a road…I feel like the Lord’s showing me there’s a road blockade around Austin that surrounding and were not supposed to go there and I see us driving up to I feel like the Lord’s showing us to drive to Curville and there’s going to be a bus that you get on.”  And he just looked at me and then he said “Well I want you to go in and buy me beer, cigarettes and a paper and then come back to the car.” So anyway I went in there and there was nobody else in the 7-11 except me and I knew that I could very easily tell the lady that I’m in the car with some crazy man.

Sid: Why didn’t you do that?

Margy: I didn’t do it because I felt the Lord was telling me to go back.  And I mean I know that sounds really bazaar.

Sid: Weird (Laughing)

Margy: Really weird but it was really weird but I felt like I was in the middle of God’s perfect will and I was supposed to do that. I did not have fear thats was what was so strange.  I even looked at the paper and saw that he was headlines of the paper and I was not afraid.

Sid:  Do you recall what the headlines said?

Margy: Well the headlines of those papers that paper no I don’t.

Sid: Alright go ahead.

Margy: Well anyway I took the paper and everything back to the car and when he opened the paper and looked at it. And I had told him I said “Now I don’t want you to read me what you’ve done so you can read it but I don’t want to hear what you’ve done.” So he said “Well I’m going to read you this one part lady because” and he read me this first part of this article and it said that there was a road blockade around Austin just what I had told him.”

Sid:  What you had seen in your vision.

Margy: What I had seen in the vision God had given me so he said “How did you know this?” And I said “Because I know God and He knows it and He told me that.” And he said “Well now what exactly did he tell you to do?” He said “He showed us me to tell  you that we’re supposed to go to Curville and there’s going to be a bus in Curville that you are supposed to get on.” And he said “Well okay.” And it was very interesting because of all of the sudden he’s asking me what to do. And the other thing I notice about him was that he was very articulate and very smart. And I said to him “You are really bright I mean your vocabulary is amazing.”  And he said “I went to New York School of Design and Brown University.”

Sid: Hm.

Margy: And I said “Really.” I mean I could tell he wasn’t just a punk out there you know what I mean he was smart he was diabolically smart intelligent. And anyway…

Sid: But I understand he was on the FBI’s 10 Most Wanted List for 10 years I guess it does take someone intelligent to last that long.

Margy: Well when I finally met with the police and they told me that he was on the 10 Most Wanted List they told me that normally men with only over genius IQ will…are on this list.  And they said that that is not unusual at all they’re all diabolically intelligent. And that was very very noticeable all day long this kind of a sick intelligence like a psychotic person. But anyway he just out of the blue he said “I want you to go call your husband.” And I…

Sid: Now this trust is really being pushed but go ahead.

Margy: He said “I want you go call your husband and I want you tell him that you’ll be home later but don’t tell anything about me.” And so I went to the telephone and when I got into the telephone…well it wasn’t in a booth it was just kind of sitting out he got out of the car and came right in front of me and held the gun right on me while I was on the phone. So I wasn’t…

Sid: So he was trusting you but not that far.

Margy: Not that far so anyway I call my house and my husband was at home and it was about 6:30 in the evening and he said “He says your voice sounds so nervous I mean your shaking.” And what happened was when I heard him his voice my voice started shaking all of a sudden reality started hitting me.

Sid: When you heard your husband’s words…

Margy: Yep, yep.

Sid: You went out of this almost spirit position.

Margy: It completely left the peace totally left me and all of a sudden reality hit me and I started thinking about my kids and am I ever going to see them again and am I ever going to see him again and my whole body started shaking all over. And consequently my mouth was shaking and my words were shaking my husband said “Something’s terribly wrong with you what’s a matter?” And I said you know I’m out shopping and I’ll be home later I’m fine I just you know there’s crowds around me but don’t…you know I’m okay. And he asked me quite a few times listen I know something’s very wrong. And I said “No I’m fine I’ll be home later just feed the kids.” And I’ll be home later and you know he tried to tell me well don’t be too late because we’re going out with some people tonight you know and I thought “Oh brother if he only knew where I was.” (Laughing)

Sid: Hm hm.

Margy: And so you know I got off the phone and I was just shaking all over and Steven said of me “You are upset lady what’s a matter with you and you’re scared and I can see fear all over you.” And I said “Your right and but I put my hands out and put them on his shoulders and I said “In the name of Jesus I take authority over all of the spirit of fear and I command it to leave me and leave the situation and you know ask You Lord to put Your peace back and on me and just show me what to do.” And I mean the moment I said the words the peace was back instantly which was pretty amazing and then he said “Okay let’s go back to the car and let’s go do what you said to do what you think God told you to do (laughing.) So we walk back to the car and you know I got in the passenger side he got in the driver’s seat and the peace was there again and he said “I’m going to need some money lady.” So I said “Well I’ll show you how to get to my bank and so he drove over to where my bank and I felt like God was telling me to give him $300 so I I withdrew and I had him get me a slip and I withdrew $300 and I gave it to him and he started crying and he said “Why would you give me this much money and you’re just the most wonderful woman I’ve ever met in my life.” And I said “Well I wouldn’t give you this much money except that I believe that that’s what God told me to give you.”

Sid: Margy we’re out of time will pick up here on that $300.

Sid: I have a woman that no doubt if you’ve been listening all this week her name is Margy Palm and I’m speaking to her at her home in San Antonio, Texas.  And on December 11, 1981 she was praying a lot and felt directed by God to go to a K-mart a place that she normally did not frequent. And she went there and unbeknownst to her a man was waiting for her this man was on the FBI 10 Most Wanted List. He had brutally raped and murdered over 30 women and one just a few hours before that all had her exact profile. He puts the gun on her she gets in the car and all of a sudden she sees scriptures before her eyes that assured she’ll be okay even though this man is acting and talking crazy.  And she doesn’t know how bad the situation is but she knows that it’s bad and she  sees a vision in front of her of her praying for this man. So she takes her hands…she’s sitting on her hands from under her lays them on this man and starts praying for him.  And he says “Oh my God I have a religious fanatic in the car” and she and then what happened next?

Margy: You know as I said I have my hands under me and he said “Lady you can take your hands out. And you know previous to that he said “If you try to even get out of the car I’ll kill you.” And I mean while I was praying this prayer over him he had that gun jabbing in me and he put the gun kind of between us and he said “I don’t know why but I think I want to talk to you.” And I think you know he told me later that he was amazed that I wasn’t trying to get out of the car. Well I was amazed also that I had so much peace. And but I knew that it was the Lord I knew his power was in the car I mean you could really feel His power in there. And any way he tried a few times to tell me a few things about himself and I wouldn’t let him. He said “You just don’t know who I am I…

Sid: Why wouldn’t you let him?

Margy: I thought it would if he started telling me what he did it might bring fear I might start you know hearing things that would scare me and I didn’t want to yield myself to fear. I wanted that’s how I felt at the time I just I didn’t want to hear something that’s going to scare me. And really I actually couldn’t think even I mean he committed a crime obviously and he obviously killed someone but I never in my wildest dreams dreamed he was a serial rapist. And thank God I kept stopping him from because I said “I really don’t want to know what you’ve done that’s not why God’s put me in the car with you I feel like God put me in the car to show you His love and His mercy. Because I kept hearing that over and over all day His mercy endures forever I kept that thought that thought just kept coming into my spirit all day “My mercy endures forever.” And I said “God loves you and God cares about you or I wouldn’t be in the car with you.” And he said “There’s no God that loves me lady you have no idea who I am and he said “I am a very evil man and I’ve done so many bad things no God is going to forgive me if there is a God I don’t even believe that there is a God and if there is He’s not going to forgive me.” And I said “Well my God has forgiven you or I mean He wouldn’t put me in this car with you if He didn’t care about you and love you.” And I started and for a couple of weeks before I even got in the car I had been praying that God would teach me what His love was what the love of God was because I read scriptures that says a scripture that says “Without faith it is impossible to please Him” And but then it ways “Faith without love you know fails without the love of God you’re nothing.” And you know faith works by love and love never fails. So I was starting to realize that I was having this overwhelming compassion when I would look at this man.  And I thought “Why do I care about this man?” And I thought “Oh my gosh this is what the love of God is.”

Sid: How did he look by the way was he disheveled, was he very meticulous?

Margy: Disheveled his hair was greasy and long and he was dressed in black and he was extremely scary looking.  He looked like a character out of a TV show and that’s what was amazing me that I wasn’t frightened of him that I actually was feeling compassion toward this man because he was also saying some absolutely horrible words to me and in the car.

Sid: And you’re feeling love and compassion.

Margy: I’m feeling love for this man that was just being obnoxious but at the same time He said “I feel like I want to talk to you.” And of course when he would say that I’m not saying it like he said it I mean he said a lot of colorful things in there when he would make statements like that. And I said “Well you know let’s go somewhere and talk.” And so we talked there in the parking lot there for a little while and then he drove my car and he was in the drivers seat he drove it through the drive-thru and got something to drink. And then he said “I want you to take me to a place that is secluded but not too secluded I want people to be walking around so it doesn’t look strange that we’re just sitting there you know I want you to take me maybe by a convenient store or something like that. So we ended up sitting by a convenient store in front of a middle school in the middle of a neighborhood San Antonio. He abducted me at 2:00 in the afternoon and we talked the whole afternoon. There were helicopters actually circling San Antonio looking for this guy. There were people I knew that later told me that there were police going up and down the neighborhoods telling woman to get into their home because this guy was out on the loose. And here I am sitting with him in this car. He said to me this one statement that was really surprising me because I never dreamed I was in the car with a rapist. But he said “I don’t know why lady but I don’t feel like raping you.” And I thought “Rape.” What in the wor…who is this you know I thought rape? He said “I don’t know why but I feel more love from you than any person I’ve ever known in my life who are you and why aren’t you afraid of me or are you an angel I mean I don’t understand who are you?”

Sid: You must have been the only woman he ever abducted that didn’t show great fear.

Margy: Yeah yeah that’s true he could not understand why I wasn’t screaming and believe me he didn’t understand why I wasn’t pleading to get out of the car saying “My…wanting to get back to my kids and all of that.” And I was amazed myself, I was totally amazed at how I felt and the peace that was in me and I said “Listen I’m not an angel just ask my husband sometime I’m not an angel.”  But I said “Jesus is not going to appear to you unless it’s a phenomenon but he appears through His people and He lives inside of me.” And he said “His love in me is to powerful for your hatred.” And I said and the Bible says “There’s no fear in love, perfect love casts out fear” and you’re being confronted with this love and it’s too powerful for you.” And I mean I make these statements and I think “Where did that come from it was just the Holy Spirit was just anointing me to talk.” And many many times during the day he would say “I’m going to kill myself and I’m not going to be able to let you go even though you’re the nicest lady I’ve ever met.” And he would also say “There’s no God that’s going to forgive me lady I’m too bad I hate myself.” And I you know I’d reassure him over and over I said “My God loves you.”

Sid: Margy we’re out of time today we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.

Sid: My guest by way of telephone from her home in San Antonio, Texas is Margy Palm. December 11^, 1981 is a date that Margy will never forget. She felt that God directed her to go to a specific K-mart which she normally did not frequent when she got out of her car unbeknownst to her was a man that was on the FBI Ten Most Wanted List. He had brutally raped and murdered 30 women one just a few hours before.  She was the exact profile of the type of women this man looked for and felt a gun in her back and out of her mouth she said what did you say Margy?

Margy: I said “Do you know Jesus Christ?”

Sid: Why would you have said that? I mean I can think of a lot of things to say but with a gun in your back of course you didn’t know how bad this man was but a gun in your back is pretty bad why did you say that?

Margy: Actually I had turned around and he had it jabbing into my ribs in front. He had it in my back and then I turned around and I was facing him and then that’s when I said it.  But I know the reason you know the Bible says that “Out of the abundance of your heart your mouth will speak.  And you know I talked about on the last broadcast that your…the Bible says that you’re body is soul and spirit and you know in my mind the devil these words that he said I felt were from the devil…you know he was trying to scare me and I heard the words you know these thoughts in my mind say “You’re going to die.” And I…but I had what I had put in my heart for months and months was the word of God and I believe that’s what came out of my mouth what was inside of me. Because in a time when you’re in this the terror is so great that I was in your mind kind of shuts off and what’s really in you comes out you know.

Sid: What happened next.

Margy: He said “No I don’t know Jesus Christ and I don’t want to know Jesus Christ get in the car lady and sit on your hands.” So he had me get in the passenger’s side of my car and sit on my hands. And he jammed the gun into the side of my body and I had some presents in the back of my car it was Christmas time and he was very cussing and you know just saying all of these horrible things. And I was while he was doing this and he was also saying “I’m going to kill myself today I hate myself” and it was just a jumble of things that he was saying. Meanwhile I was over there sitting on my hands praying and asking the Lord “Please show me what to do.”  I mean I just I didn’t know what in the world to do I had not figured out yet if it was God that put me in the car or the devil (Laughing.) I really didn’t know for sure but when I started praying I started realizing oh my gosh God put me in the car. I started hearing the scriptures and seeing them in front of me one of them was “I’ve given you authority over serpents and scorpions and over all of the power of the enemy nothing shall by any means hurt you.” And of course you know I had to…

Sid: What do you mean you start saying the scriptures in front of you?

Margy: Well it was like a….

Sid: Did you see like a vision of the words in front of you or did you have an impression?

Margy: Yeah I actually could see it in front of me like a readout.

Sid: Hm, it was like a tickertape.3

Margy: Yeah it was like a tickertape I could see it in front of me and which helped me tremendously to see it you know I could see it and when I saw “Nothing by any means hurt you.” You know I just I thought “Oh my gosh the Holy Spirit is speaking these words to me and He’s telling me that He has given me authority over serpents and scorpions and Jesus has given me authority over serpents and scorpions and over all the power of the enemy nothing shall by any means hurt me.  And then after that I saw the scripture “I have given you…..”These signs shall follow them that believe they shall cast out demons” and then after I saw those 2 scriptures I saw myself and taking my hands out from under me putting them on his head and I felt like the Lord was saying “Do what I just showed you to do.”

Sid: Out of curiosity had God ever worked this way with you before? I mean had you seen scriptures on a tickertape? Had you been told to do such bold things previously?

Margy:  I had some yes I mean I have had things like that but nothing of this magnitude but I had had…

Sid: I mean if you’re wrong it’s your life.

Margy: I know that’s what I was thinking I thought “Okay this really is powerful it looks like God, it seems like God but if this isn’t God I’m dead (Laughing.) And so I kept praying to make sure that it was God I thought “Oh my gosh I…Lord I’ve got to know that this is You I’ve got to know that I’m not imagining this and making this up please make this clear to me.” And it just kept coming over and over and over and it was so strong that it was drowning him out.  I wasn’t even listening to him any more I was really concentrating on what I was seeing. And then I knew that he was telling me to take my hands out…you’ve got to realize Steven said this guy said that I had to sit on my hands and this is what I was doing and the Holy Spirit showed me this picture and then He said “Do what do this.” What he was telling me to do was “Take your hands up from under you put them on his head and take authority over all of the power of the enemy nothing will by any means hurt you.”  And I mean I just you know faith is believing something you can’t see but it’s believing it so much that you’ll act on it. And I believed what I was seeing so much I mean in the Spirit realm I couldn’t see it in the natural realm.  I believed so much what he was showing me that I did it. I mean when I look back on it I think “How in the world did I do this?” But I really believed that all of those hours of prayer had built me up a lot spiritually. I believe that the whole thing was prayed out before I even got in the car is what I believed happened. And I was totally tuned into Him that day now that doesn’t mean I’m totally tuned into Him every single day because you know every day you make the decision if you know you’re going to yield to Him and listen to Him.  Because every day He says “Choose you.” Choose I mean you have the ability to choose if you want to walk with Him that day when He’s telling you to pray or I really want to do something else. It’s like we really do have the choice.

Sid: So you reach over you put your hands on him.

Margy: Yeah.

Sid: And pray you…how did you pray what did you say?

Margy: Before I did I didn’t look at him but I said “What is your name?” And he said “Steven.” And I mean I could feel terror all over me I really could I could feel it my whole body trying to just get out of control and be you know was shaking I was shaking while I was seeing this stuff.  And so I said “What’s your name?” And he said “Stephen.” And I said “I’m going to pray for you right now.” He said “Lady you’re not praying for me.” And I said “Yes I am.” And I took my hands out from under myself and I put them on his head and I said mean I was screaming this I said something like “In the name of Jesus I command every every demonic spirit that is trying to kill, steal and destroy that is trying to destroy this man’s life and kill him and kill me I command you to leave this car in the name of Jesus Christ.” “I know my rights as a child of God and I command you to leave this car right now, and I just thanked You Father that Your presence is in this car, that Your power is in this car and You will show us what You want us to do today.” And I mean all of this stuff just started coming out of my mouth and I said “I decree today that this man will be serving Jesus Christ before the day is over.”

Sid: Now what did he say?

Margy: Well I sat back in the seat I sat back on my hands again and he said “Oh my gosh I’m in a car with a religious freak.” (Laughing) and he said “Are you conning me lady?”And you know I never even heard that terminology but I said “I’m not conning you.” I said “Do you think it’s normal for a girl to carry a Bible a book of scripture and all of these evangelistic tapes do you think that’s normal?” And he said “No I don’t think it’s normal.” And I said “Well this is the way that I really am.” And all of a sudden I was realizing that God put me in the car with this guy and that’s when I started realizing God really put me in the car. And the other thing I was realizing was peace was in that car I wasn’t afraid of him anymore and…

Sid: Margy that’s not normal but hold that thought and we’ll pick up here on tomorrow’s broadcast.