Sid: My guest right here in the studio is John McTernan author of a brand new book that I believe will be one of the most influential books to what God is doing in these last days at this moment.  More important than any book I know short of the Bible it’s called “Israel the Blessing or the Curse.”  And John has traced within 24 hours every time the United States comes against Israel or the Jewish people there is a horrible devastation and he goes one after another after another. And you can’t call this a coincidence it ties in with Genesis 12:3 God says “I’ll bless those that bless the Jewish people and I will curse those that curse them.” And if there’s any skeptics if they read this book they won’t be skeptics any longer.  On yesterdays broadcast there is so much misinformation John McTernan in reference to the Palestinians and the conflict between the Arabs and the Jews.  For starters where do we get the name Palestinian?

John: Well Sid we go back to the Roman destruction of Israel in 70 AD and it was a very very bitter war I mean the Jews fought fiercely against the Romans.  The Roman’s had such hatred toward the Jews that they literally tore up Jerusalem, they destroyed the Temple Mount didn’t leave one stone upon another which Jesus said would happen. And they plowed up the city, they brought plows in and they plowed it up and they changed the name from Judea at that time to Palestine and they did that as an insult. And they went back to the Philistines who were upon the land 100’s of years before.

Sid: So the word Palestine or Palestinians is really the Philistines.

John: Yes exactly, exactly.  And yeah it was a name given by the Romans will say approximately 2000 years ago.

Sid: Okay in 70AD the Jews were disbursed although there’s always been a remnant in Israel.  However then what happened?

John: Well Sid from that time we’ll just pick 70AD because there was second uprising in 136 AD but from 70 AD up until the creation of the rebirth of the nation of Israel in May of 1948 there was always a Jewish presence in the land always. And when it says that they were disbursed into the nations probably 95% of the Jews went to the nations but always there was a Jewish presence and especially Jerusalem always. And Israel was never another nation. And that’s what’s amazing Sid is that Israel became like providence in an empire it never became a separate nation by itself.  And Jerusalem was never the capital of any other nation but Israel.  But an example we’ll take the Ottoman Turks.  The Ottoman Turks ruled that area for about 400 years. And the capital of that providence was not even Jerusalem it was Damascus. And Jerusalem was a little backward city that no one was paying any attention to after the crusades were over and all of that until the Jews came back to the land. And then all of a sudden Israel became, Jerusalem became a critical importance.

Sid: You point out in your book that when the Roman’s changed the name to Palestine it wasn’t for the Arabs it was for the whole region. So a Jewish person living in Israel at that time would be a Palestinian as much as a Arab person.

John: Absolutely correct.

Sid: And it was an insult really because they wanted to call them Philistines.

John: Right and prior to 1948 we know that Israel was under the British mandate from the end of World War I to 1942 the UN, or the League of Nations, had put Israel under what is called the British mandate.  And when the British issued passports from there it was Philistine, it was Palestine is what is was called. And a Jewish person prior to 1948 would have a Palestine passport they would have been born in Palestine.

Sid: So how did all of these Palestinians get to Palestine?

John: Well Sid if you read anything in history you’ll see back in the 1700’s especially 1800’s Israel was kind of a barren kind of a forsaken land.

Sid: So no one would want it really.

John:  Exactly Mark Twain, Samuel Clemons, he traveled there and he said “You travel for like days and not see anyone and just desert and malaria infested swamps.” But as the Jews came back in the late 1800’s the land…when the Jews left it was like cursed and became barren and as soon as they back it became blessed and very productive cities were built.  And the man in particular who is responsible for bringing the modern day Palestinians there was a man called Haj Al Husseini who was the mufti of Jerusalem.  He was the one that was spiritually the Muslim head of Jerusalem. And he became concerned when he saw Jews starting to come in numbers back to Israel. And he put a call out to the Arab nations for them to come and they did come. They basically came from Iraq and Egypt. And in great numbers the British allowed open immigration any Arab could come in but limited Jewish immigration and to then what was called Palestine. So the modern day of course there are some Palestinians that say that they can trace their ancestry a long time. But the modern day ones including Arafat are Egyptians or Iraqis.

Sid: Is it true that one of the major reasons they came is of course it was the call out but the land was prospering and there were jobs.

John: Right and right Sid as the Jews came back it was great agriculture the cities were being built and there was work. To this day the Palestinians the vast majority of their employment in Israel and that was from the very beginning when God began to restore Israel there was jobs and there was work there. And the Arabs came for that political reason they were called but also because there was work and employment and they could be I guess because the Lord was blessing the land of Israel.

Sid: Okay so they weren’t there originally the vast majority of them, they’re in this land it’s their land now Israel’s independence is declared, what happened next?

John: Sid on the very day Israel declared independence May 14, 1948 six Arab nations declared war on Israel and they attacked Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan they all simultaneously they all attacked Israel.  Israel didn’t do anything Israel did not fire one shot, Israel didn’t really have…they just had like a militia to defend themself.  And I believe if you read history regarding that war in 1948 it’s a true miracle of God that the nation of Israel existed. And what happened was the Arabs put out a call for the Palestinians, the Arab Palestinians at that time to flee the land. And they literally said “They were going to destroy Israel and drive the Jews into the Mediterranean” that’s what they said.  And the Palestinians that the Arabs that responded to this left the land and these armies came in. However they were defeated and because they were defeated Israel did not allow these Arabs to come back into the land because these are the people that wanted Israel destroyed.  These are the people that fled the land because they wanted these armies they wanted to avoid the fighting they wanted these armies to destroy Israel and then they would come back in and take the land that the Jews had there.

Sid: Okay so Israel said “Okay we don’t want you back.”  So why didn’t the wealthy Arab countries they are so much larger they are so much wealthier than Israel just take them as immigrants into their country?

John: Sid this is one of the truth of history that we have people now since 1948, 53 years that are still in camps from the 1940’s. The reason is the Arab nations want to keep these people as pawns; they can be used as political pressure against Israel. That’s probably a cold hard way of looking at it; Israel absorbed the people that were like Iraq that they fled Egypt Israel absorbed all of them.  The Palestinians that left and went to Jordan they’re still in refugee camps to this day the Syrians will not absorb them into their society.

Sid: Why?

John: Because they want to keep them as pawns against Israel; political pawns to put pressure on Israel over the land.

Sid: Okay let’s look at it from a religious view point.  There are Muslim holy sites in Israel we know this; that’s why they want the land.

John: Well it’s actually Jerusalem and Sid I never thought I’d be kind of an expert on the Quran but I studies the Quran now because of everything that’s going on.  And we say chapter and verse and Muslims say Sura that’s their expression. And they base meaning the Muslims they base their claim on Sura 17 verse 1.  And I’m going to paraphrase it that Mohammed went to Jerusalem and from Jerusalem he ascended into heaven on a white horse and he saw Jesus and they only view the Lord as a prophet they don’t view Him as the Son of God.  And He saw Jesus as a prophet all the prophets they then they then built this the Dome of the Rock at that spot where he ascended into heaven.  Plus they have this one of their important mosques Al Aqsa mosque is also the Temple Mount site. Now the problem with that Sid is in 630 Mohammed, died in 632 AD, at that point Jerusalem was a Christian City. On what we call today the Dome of the Rock and the Temple Mount there was a Catholic Church, the church of St. Mary.  Mohammed never went to Jerusalem and Jerusalem was not captured by the Muslim cavalry until 638 AD. There wasn’t a mosque built there until 60 years later.  So the whole thing is made up Sid it’s all contrived.

Sid: All contrived.

John: But people don’t know that, people think…

Sid: Now wait a second someone not a Christian, not a Jew or maybe nominal in both camps that’s a reporter this is so basic so elementary if you will why isn’t this in the news? The reporters are you know they should be honest not all but some there should be some honest reporters.

John: Well Sid I think there’s agendas out there; I think a lot of them are perhaps ignorant they don’t care and there’s agendas. I think that there is a huge percentage of the media that are against Israel, they’re not for Israel they’re against Israel. They’ll let that go because it is politically advantageous to have it like that.

Sid: There is only one explanation…

Sid: My guest Martha Kilpatrick has a new book titled “Chariot of Fire – Elijah of the Last Days.” Now recently I had a conference in Brunswick, Georgia called “Days of Elijah.” So somehow this book got into a pile of books, and when books come to me what I do is I give them to Janie DuVall, producer of the radio and television show and Janie’s job is to screen the books; that’s my normal method so to speak especially with a conference coming up. But “Days of Elijah” was the title of the conference and the book was called “Elijah of the Last Days.” So I picked it up and I said to myself “There is such an important message here. First thing I want to do is I want to call Martha and tell her how much it ministered to me.” Then I suggested she come to our conference and she came to our conference, and she spoke just for a few minutes really and some of our people got set free. One woman in particular tell me about her Martha.

Martha: She came to me after I spoke with tears running down her cheeks and she said “I’ve been set free today. I didn’t understand what my problem was, I saw it finally as Jezebel” and the root of her problem was fear.

Sid: You know Martha the thing that is so amazing to me is when people hear Jezebel they think that’s a stigma of “Oh! They’re into witchcraft, and they’re filled with demons.” When I read your book I saw Jezebel and Ahab in my own life. I believe that everyone of us are dealing with those spirits in our lives, and with people that have those spirits that are in a simplistic approach as I understand it, a Jezebel spirit controls through intimidation and fear. An Ahab spirit wants peace at any price and submits to everything and where is God in the equation, He’s nowhere. Once this lightbulb goes on you can do something about it. So what happened to this woman?

Martha: Yes well apparently she was struggling with something and she didn’t have its name. Now most of defeating Jezebel is to realize that’s what it is, that it is a Jezebel spirit, it is a principality much more than a demonic thing. All of us have that propensity any of us can go in either direction.

Sid: So you lost me for a second you said “It’s a principality rather than demonic.” Well principality is demonic.

Martha: But it has a… the Jezebel spirit has an authority higher than a demonic.

Sid: Ah I see.

Martha: So it is a bigger force and all of us have the tendency we can go into giving up our volition, or we can take control. When you do that as a lifestyle you enter that realm of Satan’s involvement.

Sid: What about when you stated a word that got me thinking, “We can give up our volition.” Could something such as wanting to appease the flesh but not in a horrible way “Oooh just fun – fun – fun,” nice things rather than spending time developing intimacy with God. I don’t mean to put trips on anyone. Could this be a spirit?

Martha: It could be. God has to define and name, so your relationship God is as the Holy Spirit whispers to you and says “It’s that woman in the conference.” The Holy Spirit let her see a connection between her problem and what I was sharing. It can go to a spirit, the human tendency is to want pleasure, but when that is indulged and indulged then it can be taken over by the stronghold of the enemy. Jezebel is about feeling good, it’s about pleasures of the flesh of all kinds. That is the goal is just to be comfortable and feel good…

Sid: But where do you draw the line as you said “It’s no sin and God wants us to enjoy this life,” but by the same token He doesn’t want it to… Where’s the line drawn?

Martha: The line exists in the heart. I say in the book that the war is not with Jezebel but it is within your own heart.

Sid: We always look at the other person rather than ourselves…

Martha: Yes and we look at the enemy.

Sid: Hmm hm.

Martha: And at the one who’s attacking. But the real battle is in the human heart and it’s a matter of worship. Ultimately it boils down to what do you worship? What you worship, first of all is what you fear, and what you love, and what you want. If you heart is right then the Jezebel spirit will not take you nor will the Ahab spirit.

Sid: Where does someone draw the line in a marriage where their wife or their husband through fear or perhaps “Maybe there’ll be a divorce if I don’t submit to them…” There’s a hard question, where does someone draw that line? Do you understand what I’m saying?

Martha: Yes I do understand because Jezebel, Ahab is a marriage.

Sid: Right.

Martha: That principality Satan loves to insert it into a marital relationship, into a church, brother and sister relationship, and the line is drawn only by the Holy Spirit. So the solution someone asked me “Do you have the solution here?” I said “It is not a How-To book” because it points to a relationship with God and intimacy with Him. You have to hear His voice individually and in that marriage as to how to walk that out and how to understand where control crosses the line into your very soul. It takes really the voice of God and the presence of God, a relationship with Him is the solution to it.

Sid: It’s actually, you give an example in your book of it could be life threatening if you cross over the line. Would you explain that?

Martha: Yes there is a real spirit of intimidation and aggression that comes from Jezebel. In the Biblical story she did murder many of God’s people and God’s prophets. There is a definite threat “If you don’t do what I say, you will perish,” and there can be literally the threat of death.

Sid: And the bigger question Martha is, what does God think of all of this?

Martha: One of the things I wanted to convey in this book is the reality of the judgment of God against those who participate in the Jezebel spirit. He mentions it in Revelation 2 which is written to the New Testament church. This is not under the Old Covenant this is under the new. He says about tolerating Jezebel “I’ve given her time to repent and she’s unwilling so I’ve cast her on the bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery (spiritual adultery is more of what it means with her) suffer intensely and I will strike her children dead.” I think we have seen the reality of this in lives, we have seen deaths and suffering and sickness that was related to the Jezebel principality.

Sid: But Martha, we have a whole country of Christians in the United States of America that are pleasure seekers rather than fear of God. Do you think some sort of judgment will be coming even on America?

Martha: Yes I do. I think it has begun.

Sid: In 1998 you had a word from God, what was that?

Martha: Yes. I saw… I was in Jeremiah and I saw that when Jezebel is allowed to rule a nation and it goes into the queen of heaven, that there is an inevitable judgment. The Lord spoke to me that we would go to war. I shared it with my church and called them to prepare to be warriors to use the time we had to get ready, and that there was no prayer that could pray it away, it an inevitable war.

Sid: Was it revealed what nations were involved?

Martha: No.

Sid: I mean it appears as though it could very well… this starting point could be a war with Iraq.

Martha: Yes.

Sid: Which would then involve other nations taking sides could easily be.

Martha: Yes very easily. That was an obvious choice, but the…

Sid: So what’s going to happen as a consequence of this war?

Martha: I’m not sure that I know that. I just know that believers have to be strong in the Lord, ready to do spiritual warfare, and prepared for any eventuality including suffering as believers.

Sid: Could we actually have war in this… did you see war in this country?

Martha: I did not see war in this country but I did see great suffering.

Sid: So if there’s ever been a time to remove the obstacles from intimacy with God. In effect that’s the subject of your book…

Martha: Yes it is

Sid: …that we’re talking about. Why did you write the book “Chariot of Fire – Elijah the Last Days?”

Martha: I began to see that God wanted me to, I didn’t much want to I didn’t want to know as much about Jezebel as I know. I was sort of like Elijah, I had had a stream of life experiences with Jezebel figures that I had to learn the secrets of Elijah.  As I went through years of this I began to see the tremendous need in the body of Christ. We do not recognize evil, we do not recognize the judgment of God as it comes in our midst. We don’t name it, we rather that I write in the book that we’d rather dance than fight. We’d rather make merry than grapple, and we don’t name evil, and see evil, and it is crucial that we do so.

Sid: What feedback, although it’s a new book, what feedback are you getting from people that read it?

Martha: I had a word a number of people have been extremely affected, and transformed, healed one woman called it “Healed.” She read it 5 times.

Sid: Now I read it very quickly because the conference was coming up. I intend to read it slowly it is that kind of book.

Martha: The book is intended for you to… for the reader to deal with those propensities. And in self before you begin to even take on the Jezebel in another person or in a church or whatever. But it is a personal individual journey.

Sid: It is really a block to intimacy with God…

Martha: Yes it is.

Sid: A major block.

Martha: That’s what Jezebel steals is intimacy with God. She comes and interferes with that communication.

Sid: I want to ask you about your intimacy with God, I mean I’m overwhelmed with the path God’s taking you, but we’re out of time today.

Sid: I have on the telephone a man that’s spent 30 years archiving all of the records he could find and videos and audio cassettes of the greatest miracle ministries the world has known.  And he has the most expensive collection of archives of these materials….As I said to you John in another broadcast my favorite is Branham. The way that he would look at complete strangers; he would actually see lights over people’s heads.

John: Hmm hm.

Sid: And would you explain that?

John: Well it’s just what the Bible talks about a wonder it makes you wonder.

Sid: A sign and a wonder.

John: Signs, wonders and miracles and God demonstrated that in this tremendous move of the Voice of Health Ministers in the 40’s and 50’s there.  And Braham was just a unique guy some of his early messages we have I was looking at one prior to getting on this interview. And there was just a simple message called “Paradox.” He talks about how Joshua says to the son “Be still.” Well that’s a wonder you see and that makes you wonder and he talks about a person who is born again one of the greatest miracles in the world is when a person is born again and received Christ in his heart he’s a transformed person. And again I have my whole life that people couldn’t believe that I was saved you know this was the guy who was drinking and cussing and carrying on and being bad and now he’s a you know a goody goody.  It makes you wonder what has happening in that person’s life.  Branham has such a power and a walk with God that I don’t think the half has really been told about his ministry his early ministry. I know that I’ve met his daughter did an interview on her I’ve been in his home. I saw where he studied at, I’ve been to the place up in the mountains where the angel visited him and not that I was looking for any kind of experience but this was for getting a feel for the man. My thinking is like this “What was in the mind of say General Robert E Lee at Gettysburg what was he trying to achieve.” What was AA Allen trying to achieve, what was Branham trying to achieve?  They all had a commission from God to achieve something to get something done in a time and space world here and some of them completed it and some of them didn’t.

Sid: Okay tell me what the mission assignments from God for the 3 were.

John: First of all they were to be a witness to this generation with signs, wonders and miracles. Secondly they were to perpetuate that ministry through other people. And third to preserve, if you please, the integrity of the ministry and the closes person that came to that was Allen.

Sid: You know looking at them or even reading about people in the Bible was they…why couldn’t they have done this? Why couldn’t they have been better but it is a tough road to have a miracle ministry and walk in humility.

John: Walking in humility is not easy thing. When you have the decree…let’s stop and think for a minute you’ve got to and the audience you’ve got to…what if you had in your hand creative power to change the lives of people and the environment around you?  Let me tell you something there are very few humble people walking around.

Sid: Is it true that Branham was offered very exorbitant sums of money and just turned it down?

John: I have talked to 26 Voice of Healing preachers, 26 of them personally, and everyone that I’ve talked to said “William Branham was the most humblest man that they have ever met. Now when you’ve got 26 people testify to your credibility that’s something.

Sid: Tell me what affect it’s had studying all of the lives of all of these great men and women of God what affect does it have on you?

John: Well it gives me a deep appreciation for the mercy and the grace of God in people lives because first of all if I’d been God I wouldn’t had picked any of them.

Sid: I mean say take Kathryn Kuhlman for example.

John: Hmm hm.

Sid: She used to actually say she was not God’s first choice.

John: I believe that.

Sid: But God did not want a woman that spoke in that affective manner just… but He chose a lot of other people but according to her these men turned God down. How does a man turn God down for a miracle ministry?

John: Well it’s done actually William Branham did and he ended up losing his family in that great flood in that Ohio River.

Sid: That’s right I read about that.

John: Such heartache brought him to a place of surrender. Now I personally had to have to go through something like that I’d be scared to death to cross God not that God’s standing up there with a big hammer ready to belt us in the head because His grace is sufficient. I’ve lost God in my own life in 30 years of pasturing deal with people to get them into their ministry.  I’ve talked to I can’t tell you how many people that I know that God’s called them to a particular field of endeavors.

Sid: And why does someone turn God down knowing that’s what they’re created to do?

John: Well fear and selfishness are probably the 2 culprits that I would say that would grab a hold of a person’s heart not willing to pay the price.  I thought it to…I can’t tell you men that are ministering that would say “I am not going to go into a larger base ministry like saying going on to a radio or television knowing that they had the ability to go and the means to go but they didn’t want that kind of exposure they didn’t want their family to be…you know look at the travel time that some of the ministers that have put in today. Just hypothetical look at Benny Hinn look at the travel that he must have to do and how much time can he possibly have with his family?

Sid: As you said many times this week there’s a price to pay.

John: There is a price yes sir.

Sid: What about you? Tell me after having studied all of these men and women with the best archives imaginable?

John: Hmm hm.

Sid: How has God used you?

John: Well He’s using me just like He said that He would be using me with those pictures where tumors disappeared and blind eyes opened and the lame walked and all of that I’ve seen that in my own ministry 100’s of times.

Sid: Have you see these things in the United States a lot of people see these things outside of the US what about you?

John: I don’t have a problem ministering in the United States.  I mean I’ve only been out to Mexico and I actually seen more here in this country than I did see in Mexico.

Sid: Tell me what to you was the most vivid most exciting one miracle of a physical nature that you’ve seen.

John: There was a lady and I don’t think I’m going to say this right but her head was laying on her shoulder and her back was twisted, scoliosis, and she was probably 60 – 65 years of age. And it was a very powerful service and this would be probably had to understand for some folks but there is an energy that comes on you a power that comes on you and you don’t even think about what you’re doing. And when she came up and says “I want prayer for my back.” And I just picked her head up off her shoulder and I just straightened her up and she became straight and walked away.  Blind eyes one of the first miracles that I’ve ever saw in my life in my own ministry was a man who had a long white cane with you know with 5 or 5 inches of red on the bottom of it and he was healed in the first revival I had ever had.

Sid: That’s got to be forget the first just to see someone’s that’s blind get their sight back I mean it’s…

John: Yeah.

Sid: …that’s the way that it’s supposed to be but in most services that we go to for miracles we don’t see the blind and the deaf.

John: Well here Sir is an example of what we talked about pre getting onto this interview and that is “How do you know what God wants to do in a service?”  Because there are services where He doesn’t heal them.

Sid: And you may want something but that’s not what God’s after.

John: That’s right and most people where a lot of these ministers got in trouble because they were labeled as a healing….what if you went to a Benny Hinn Meeting and there was no healings take place and because he said that God wanted to just have a prayer meeting you see.

Sid: I had a meeting recently…

John: Uh huh.

Sid: Where I had come off a string of services with major types of miracles and I just flat expected it. And what God wanted it was a tremendous outpouring of God’s Spirit for repentance but I was after the physical miracles.

John: And I’ve made that mistake.

Sid: And I missed it.

John: Yeah and I have to and a lot of other preachers have missed it. Now in that when I told you about the man that was blind my first meeting was that I had a visitation of an angel and I went into a vision and I saw the scripture that I was going to preach. Now you’ve got to remember this was 30 some years ago I was a no novice I knew nothing and I saw the scripture that I was to minister on, how to minister…

Sid: How far ahead of the meeting did this happen?

John: This happened about a week before the meeting.

Sid: Okay go ahead.

John:  And I saw the people that would be in the meeting and when I got there it was exactly how He showed me.

Sid:  You don’t have to work up your faith when you see that.

John: No you don’t know you don’t! And it just gives you a confidence that you would otherwise not have and that’s the importance of following the anointing.  Now I liken in following the anointing as when the cloud lifted when Moses was in the wilderness with the Israelites and when the cloud was over the tabernacle.  When it lifted that’s when they got the signal to get up and move and when it stopped that’s when they made camp.  And we have got to be sensitive not that we’re looking for visions and all of this sort of stuff.

Sid: Listen we’re coming into times right now forget the healing ministry, we’re coming into times right now if we can’t hear God it can cost us our life.

John: Absolutely.  And I’ve had experiences like that to where I hadn’t listened to God and it almost cost me my children’s life.

Sid:  We’re out of time…

Sid: I have a friend by the name of Israel Pachtar; I’m butchering your name Pachtar is that good?

Israel: Yep…

Sid: Well an Israel and I just got back from Israel of course that’s where he lives and we had an historic outreach.  More Jewish people made professions of faith that were gathered in on place at one moment.  It was almost 650 people made professions of faith these are Jewish people, these a non-believers in the Messiah this is Jerusalem, Israel. A friend of mine who is a second generation Messianic Jew Samuel Smajda said that they have experienced this type of evangelistic activity in Israel since Pentecost when Peter gave a few paragraphs.  At this that is the way it is in the New Testament he spoke a few paragraphs and 3000 Jewish people accepted Jesus. Well it wasn’t 3000 but I’ll tell you what I am still in awe, amazed, I almost have to pinch myself Israel that it happened!

Israel:  Yeah its history in the making.

Sid: But you know what I want you to get to know my friend Israel because this is such an unusual background.  He was born in a place that’s in the news a lot Ukraine, Crimea and that where there’s a lot of activity between Russia and the Ukrainians and you’ve been reading about in the newspaper.  So you were born there you had a great grandmother that didn’t know a whole lot about Judaism although she was Jewish it was just that that generation and since they actually took away the Jewish identity as much as they could. But she knew something better than Judism she knew God was real and she instilled that in you.

Israel: Yes.

Sid: But then your age 7 you go to school and what does the teacher say?

Israel: Oh my teacher said you know and it’s the 3^rd grade teacher like a god for you I don’t remember that age but (Laughing.)

Sid: Maybe I don’t remember, I never thinking that my teacher was like god but go ahead (Laughing.)

Israel: Okay high respect and she made all the class quiet and said “I want to make an important statement.  And she said “There is no god.”

Sid:  How did…wait wait you’re at a point your grandmother gives you instills this and your great grandmother instills this and you’re starting to pray to God.

Israel: Yes.

Sid: How did you feel?

Israel: I feel confusion, big confusions and she kind of brought the reasons and kind of a sense an astronaut he had been up there is no God.

Sid: Oh, this is awful.

Israel: She said “Only stupid people believe in God.”

Sid: Ah.  And remember now at that time there is no synagogues in Crimea there’s no churches in Crimea. So what did this little kid do he had such a touch I believe of God I believe from your great grandmother that despite that you still prayed a little bit to God.

Israel:  I have a week 7 days not praying.

Sid: Ah huh.

Israel: After the story kind of going and thinking of all of this confusion and then I played with my kids and I was going to come home late and I should be punished by my parents. So I prayed again and God really helped me so my faith came back.

Sid: (Laughing) But at 17 you continued praying and you would feel something when you prayed what would you feel?

Israel: I really feel that God is that he is that there is something more I’d been talking to the Lord of any possible friend that were open to speak about supernatural. And I just carried this thought I actually like you when I die or when people are dying there is nothing?

Sid: Yeah, isn’t that an awful, that’s the most objectionable thought as a kid.

Israel: It drive me crazy I stopped and looking at the stars and thinking I like the history and thinking about all the great people died and so faith kind of was growing in me.  But I had no directions like you said in my city we had pretty big Jewish community but not even one synagogue.  The synagogue became the cultural center music school and many other activities so I have no body to ask questions so I just been wondering and speaking to heavens and speaking to God.

Sid: But did you feel that I know He answered that prayer but did you really feel his presence I guess is the best question?

Israel: Yes it is really a good way to put it I really felt His hand on my life and I have seen many prayers…

Sid: Was it tangible I mean could you I mean like now as believers I can feel His presence come on me could you feel a degree of that even as a nonbeliever?

Israel: Probably not.

Sid: Okay.

Israel: But in certain times and quiet time it would grow stronger and I just just came to total conclusion that God exists and I knew that I don’t know Him but He’s there. At the age of 17 I really started to speak to God every day, praying, I’d pray every day.

Sid: It’s amazing you know you have to understand that he knows nothing about Judism for sure knows nothing about Christianity.

Israel: No of course.

Sid: But you don’t know when you plant a seed in someone his great-grandmother planted a seed in him that if she hadn’t done it I think it would have been finished with God in you when your teacher says there is no God.

Israel: Yeah most likely.

Sid: Okay so then at 18 he meets a brand new Gentile believer that tells him about Jesus and by the way Romans 11:11 “Salvation has come to the Gentile to provoke the Jew to jealousy they’re just being a Gentile believer that’s the God ordained call of ever Gentile believer.  By the say do you know what the God ordained call is of every Jewish-believer? We’re to be a light to the nations that’s the Gentile; now you get the Jews and the Gentiles together guess what you got?  The whole world!  God You’re so brilliant!

Israel:  Yes.

Sid: Anyway and you got baptized in the Holy Spirit the same day was it powerful or…

Israel: Oh yes it was powerful; I was really I just was ready and you know I came one to my mother’s grandmother’s village and I met there some group of people now I assume they were Pentecostal preachers.

Sid: You didn’t know.

Israel: And I was walking with my friend and I just came there right by the end they were staying downtown it was tourist days when it was allowed and legal to preach you know and they were sharing with a little group of people just boldly downtown village 15 people around 20. And I came at the very last words but it never called to repent to receive Jesus or anything but I felt the presence of God I really felt it. And they said “Well we’re coming next week come.”  But I just couldn’t make it next week it’s just gone.  So I see there just a little touch of the Holy Spirit now I’d been reading a book I don’t know if you know here in America but the book that was translated to many languages that book called “Satan in Moscow.”

Sid: No.

Israel: And actually it speaks about supernatural work Satan and God both.

Sid: Right.

Israel: And it’s really kind of also kind of rising my curiosity about Satan too.

Sid: Yes.

Israel: But I mean it just fell and I’d been focused on God even more after that book.  So you could see little different secular books draw in closer. And when I met this boy I was just ready; now it’s interesting but when he approached me and he said straight away “I’m going to share with you my new faith in Jesus.” And then all of the Jewishness I had in me come up; I mean really I’m just amazed supernaturally but all of the prejudice come up I don’t know where it come from.

Sid: You know something isn’t that just amazing that here he’s a Jew the Jewish culture means nothing you looked at him you wouldn’t even know that He’s a Jew culturally and yet you know what that is?  God said through the Prophet Jeremiah “As long as there is a sun and a moon and stars there will be a physical Jew on the face of the earth.” And there’s something of Israel and there’s something inside of me, there’s something inside of every Jewish person that goes like this “I was born a Jew and I will die a Jew.” And you have a Jewish friend that doesn’t go to synagogue or doesn’t do anything you think “Oh they don’t care about being Jewish.” Untrue right Israel?

Israel: Right, that’s right even the secular ones when it comes to real decisions they are Jewish.  So it’s really happed with me but then he was really smart it was the Holy Spirit I can tell you because I don’t know how he knew it how he could address it but he really said “But you know Jesus is for everybody and he’s for Jewish and by the way He was Jewish.” And you know that I really didn’t know that, I had no idea and he said “More than that he said “You know the holy apostles and by that he said at that time I knew about pictures and the ancient historical churches.”

Sid: Yes.

Israel: The one in the downtown just opened and everybody went there as a museum to see the pictures and I saw the pictures.  And I said “You know those guys the holy people of the Catholic church or Orthodox church they’re all Jewish.”  I was surprised, “Yes really.”

Sid: You know there’s a lot of Catholics and Russian Orthodox that would be surprised if they knew they were all Jewish but go ahead.

Israel: Yeah, they’re worshipping pictures but this is Jewish guys Jewish apostles.  So I said “Okay great.” I mean he really explained to me very well and he kept talking and then he spoke about salvation and about heal and heaven and the Holy Spirit.  So he brought me to the home group the little group of people just brand new home group and they said “Now it’s time to repent and to receive Yeshua and invite Yeshua into your heart.”  And I really sent to him yesterday and today I’m praying every day and he was shocked and I said “Really.” And I said yes but I said “Anyway let’s do that.” And he explained it a little bit more about Yeshua he’s a Jewish Savior as a Savior and he said “You know what try.” And I’d been kind of buying it and I said “You know what it sounds great it sounds reasonable it sounds good and I mean I will try.” So I really said to God I mean before praying and then I’d pray after him I said to God “I wish it would be true but I will try and if it is really truth so let it happen, let Yeshua come into my life, let Jesus come into my life.”  And then they said “Okay.” And then the prayer after him the moment I repeated a short prayer I just knew I changed, I was born again when Jesus came into my heart.

Sid: And when you were filled the Holy Spirit what happened?

Israel: Well 10 minutes later he said “New step Holy Spirit.” (Laughing) and let me pray for you for Holy Spirit okay, let’s go the same way.” He showed me a couple of scriptures I mean he was good by showing scriptures by the way and faith has been growing and growing and growing in me. And so I said okay so he prayed for me the same second I received the Holy Spirit and that was kind of one event from Holy Spirit just one thing altogether didn’t even mention difference the whole package in my life. So I came home same day Spirit Filled saved and I went to preach to all of my friends.

Sid:  But you know what that same thing happened to me and I happen to me and I happen to believe that’s the way that it’s supposed to be.  Somehow in America anyway we’ll make someone sit and be study for the next 3 years before they can be used. And then the zeal is gone and their not used.  I mean we’ve got it backwards here I mean you had a built in market everyone you knew was unsaved.

Israel: Everyone.

Sid: (Laughing)

Israel: He was first person that I ever met, first Christian I ever met in my life.

Sid: Huh well so you were called to preach the gospel immediately you would go to Bible school in Estonia where you meet your wife and you study Bible prophesy and it’s pretty clear the blessings of God for a Jew are found in only one land the land of Israel. The curses for God for a Jew or an evidence of a curse is you’re in the nations because that’s a curse. So he’s a smart guy so he and his wife decide based on Bible prophesy they’re going to go to Israel. So you go back to Crimea…

Israel: Now I’d like to share with you another story you know coming to this brand new home group and I started to come every day like no exceptions every day.

Sid: Me too.

Israel: Seven days a week.

Sid: I would go to meetings 7 days a week when I got immediately saved.  You don’t see this zeal and hunger today maybe it’s a different gospel I don’t know. (Laughing)

Israel: So I was coming everyday and these people showed me in the Bible and told me all kinds of stories they have seen on some tapes or somebody tell them or a story coming from then and here. And they told me lots of stories about healing and God can heal and He wants to heal everyone. So I just believe in it and it’s all in…and all of the teachers I have they’re been telling me and it’s written in the Bible and I just believe it like a baby you know. And at that time my Mom she was very sick, she was laying in the bed with kidney problems and she refused to go to the doctors so she was laying in the bed for a month. So coming from the home group when I heard the stories about healing and I hadn’t seen anybody praying for the sick because it’s a bunch of young people everybody healthy you know no need but I heard the stories. I came to my Mom and I said “Mom you know I became a believer because I told her I became a believer and the Bible says and I show my Bible and I just brought my Bible and I paid half of my salary to have my first Bible can you believe it.

Sid: Hm.

Israel: Anyway I said to my Mom “I want to pray for you for healing and God wants to heal you.” And then asked her “Can you turn back to me and I didn’t want her watching me because she’s my Mom and I’m just newly saved.”

Sid: Okay.

Israel: I prayed for my Mom and nothing happened to I went out and when I came back she opened door to me and she was totally healed. And she said “By the way when you left after 2 hours pain gone and I’m healed.” So first healing ever in my life I saw through my own prayer because I heard the stories but now I’ve seen it.

Sid: Well, were going to have something more for you but I have to tell you this Israel goes back to Crimea to settle things and move to Israel but in between he’s ministering to a woman that’s loaded with demons and he’s really upset over this and he leaves and shortly there after he leaves and he hears an audible voice of God what did God tell you?

Israel: God told me “God home to Israel.”

Sid: Did He say home?

Israel: Yes He said “God home to Israel.”

Sid: Yeah but when you told your wife what happened?

Israel: Oh she was happy, she was happy she knew that it was growing in her I mean I’d been in Bible school and coming back to the place of revival my kind of inner picture when are we going to go to Israel.  I thought “Now is revival we went to take part in revival and take part in revival and have a great harvest and then we would retire.” Just go to Israel and then the work will be done; but God interrupted and He changed our plans.

Sid: Okay God spoke to you, God witnessed to your wife, you go to Israel with a small son and $10?

Israel: Ten dollars cash (Laughing.)

Sid: How did you have that chutzpah that’s a Hebrew word for nerve, how did you do that?

Israel: I don’t know when God gave me a word.

Sid: Ten dollars a wife and a small child and going to a land you don’t even speak the language?

Israel: I didn’t know anybody.

Sid: Are you Mashuga?

Israel: Probably.

Sid: (Laughing) that’s another Hebrew word for crazy.

Israel: Yes.

Sid: Will be back in a moment with something more but I have to tell you something; you think you don’t know where Crimea is I was in Israel and I’m speaking to a group of Bishops and this Bishop says to me “Sid I want to tell you a story I’m living in outer Mongolia.” I don’t know where outer Mongolia is I know about Mongolian beef in a Chinese restaurant I even asked Israel he’s a world traveler he didn’t know where.  Well I looked it up on a map it’s just about Tibet in China outer Mongolia. And at outer Mongolia he turns on his TV and he sees It’s Super Natural.  Well his back is broken in 5 places an auto accident; he’s been in constant pain for 14 years.  The doctors say there’s nothing they can do for him.  His prognosis is he’ll get so doubled over he’ll have to be in a wheelchair he won’t be able to walk it was a horrible thing. So on TV I said “Someone’s back is being healed.”  And somehow he believed it and instantly he was totally healed and he tells me he has not had a pain in l year.  I said “Did you go back to the doctor? He said “No you only go to the doctors if you’re sick I have no pain.” Now that’s supernatural, now outer Mongolia I don’t even know…oh I do now where outer Mongolia is. But I’m so excited to make available to you this watch, it’s an old time pocket watch that railroad people would use. In fact on the outside is a railroad and it’s going to be the coloring is antique bronze plated gold plated train on the case and a 30 inch train.  And it has a scripture Psalm 102:13 “Now is the set time to favor Zion.” And it says Jewish Express it’s engraved in it. And God’s given me a vision of the Jewish Express see we Jews were scattered to the four corners of the earth and in the time of Hitler he would have trains that would take Jewish people to the gas chambers and everyone like you see these monkeys holding their ears, their eyes, their mouth they’re not going to speak anything and that’s the way the population was.  And they were being taken to these extermination camps and no one said a word. Well we Jewish people said’ Never again! And we mean that however I believe there’s another Jewish train and it’ called “Jewish Express.”  And this Jewish express is making stops all over the world collecting Jewish people that believe not taking them to the concentration camp a gas chamber but taking them to be ready for heaven.  They’re getting saved all over the world, the stops I’ve been to 2 already.  I’ve been to more many more but just recently I was in Jerusalem 650 unsaved Jewish people better than 98% stood up in mass made professions of faith. There were more healings than I could take the time to even count them….There’s something more an you are going to be amazed and I don’t know Israel Pachtar how you had the courage to do what we’re going to talk about we’ll be right back.