SID: All right, Rabbi Schneider, you told me it is very important for us to understand the distinction between authority and power. Explain that.

RABBI SCHNEIDER: Well Jesus…“All authority,” Jesus said, “on Heaven and Earth has been given to me.” And we were saying before the break, Sid, that we have to know that we have authority in Jesus. Demons will not respond if we’re not standing a position of knowing the authority that Jesus has and knowing that in him we can use that authority. But there is a difference between authority and power. I like to explain it this way. A police officer has authority because of the office that he stands in, and of course, if someone gets pulled over by a car, a police officer gets out of the car, he or she is wearing the badge, often times they’ll have a hat and a uniform which represents their authority. And most people that are pulled over will cooperate with the police officer just because the police officer has authority. But sometimes people won’t cooperate and when people won’t cooperate with the police officer because of the authority, the police officer then has to back up his or her authority with power, whether it be a taser, billy club or whatever that is. And the same is true in dealing with demons. Sometimes demons will just respond to authority. However, some demons will not respond to the authority unless the authority is backed up by power. Authority is given to us automatically when we receive Jesus. But power has to be developed. Remember for example, they came to Jesus and they said, concerning the one that demon had not been driven out of, they said, “Why couldn’t your disciples not drive the demon out?” And Jesus said, “This kind doesn’t come out but by fasting and prayer,” which of course are two means of developing power. So to be effective we want to exercise both the authority that we have, but also develop power, and power comes simply by relying on God, depending on him, walking with him, prayer and all the other disciplines of the faith.

SID: Okay. So people have open doors. How do we close the doors and get rid of these demons?

RABBI SCHNEIDER: Well that’s a great question, and I personally believe that closing the doors often times can be a process. I find in my own life the deeper I get in my walk with Jesus, with Yeshua, the more in my heart I realize I need to repent of. In other words, often time the Lord will start off showing us surface things. But then the deeper we go we see perhaps elements of unforgiveness or pride, or spirit of accusation. And so closing the door involves, number one, repenting of sin continually as the Lord shows us in deeper ways sin within our hearts, areas that we might not know today, but in a year from now, because we’ve grown in grace, we’ll see them.

SID: But you know, in the world Christianity is saying because of a wonderful concept called grace we can go on our merry way, we don’t have to worry about those little sins.

RABBI SCHNEIDER: Yeah. Any truth carried to the extreme becomes a heresy, doesn’t it? Absolutely, we know the first thing that Jesus said was, “Repent, for the Kingdom of God…”

SID: I don’t hear that word much. I don’t go to congregations and the pastor gets up and says, “repent.” You know why? All the people get up and go out, and he wants them to get up and come in. But you know something? Without repentance you won’t even see God.

RABBI SCHNEIDER: Absolutely. And that’s one of the ways that we close the doors and keep demons from getting in. When we repent we close the door, we close out the darkness from our lives.

SID: When you talk to, in the spirit world, to a demon, how do you do that?

SID: You just speak, you don’t speak to them in terms of having a conversation, you speak at them.

SID: At them.

RABBI SCHNEIDER: You speak at them. Absolutely. You’re not looking to converse. I say, “Satan, I reject you. Get out of my head.” It’s just that simple. It gives the direct command to a demon the demon has to obey.

SID: But what happens if sense it didn’t happen immediately? Do you throw in the towel? Do you give up?

RABBI SCHNEIDER: Absolutely not. And that was part of the dream I shared a little earlier. When I grabbed a hold of that demon that was occupying my space, my house, I took a hold of him and I began to punch that demon in the face, and at first it seemed like nothing was happening. It seemed like I had no power. It seemed like all my energy was not having any effect on him. But you know what, I was so committed to getting free, I wasn’t going to stop. And as I persisted and as I kept going, bam, that demon broke. And it’s the same thing with deliverance. We have to be committed to being free and know that we will get free because Jesus said, “If the Son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed.”

SID: You personally battled with something that many of you are battling with right now, a spirit of fear. You think it’s yourself. No, no, no, no, no. It is a spirit of fear. I talked to someone recently, they told me they were afraid to speak in public. You know what I found, Rabbi Schneider?

RABBI SCHNEIDER: What’s that?

SID: Whatever your strength is, it always, you know, like attacked in that area, the person would do wonderful sharing in public. But they wouldn’t even try because they were fearful of it. What would you say?

RABBI SCHNEIDER: Well I would say that, number one, knowing the Word of God, knowing truth and using that truth as a weapon out of our mouth to speak is a key to getting free. The Word of God breaks the power of demons. Jesus, of course we know, defeated the devil in the wilderness and that before by speaking the Word of God. When we know that speaking the Word of God has life in it and we speak it at the demon, at the darkness, the darkness will break, the darkness will bend. It will lose its hold, and more and more we’re going to enter into freedom and into the light. I think it’s important that people recognize that this isn’t always just a one-time quick fix. This is a commitment to being free, knowing you will get free. The principles work. The principles that I keep, Sid, they work.

SID: Tell me how it worked with you, with fear.

RABBI SCHNEIDER: Well how it worked with fear with me is a number of different avenues. Number one, the truth. God began to reveal to me, number one, that the commitment to getting free wasn’t just about my desire to be free, it was about his glory. And then I began to use the Word of God against the devil in the specific areas that Satan was causing fear. In other words, if Satan was causing fear in the area of health I would use the Word of God against Satan in the area of my health. If Satan is using fear in the area of finances, then we use what the Word of God says about finances against Satan in that area. So wherever—

SID: Now when you say use it, what exactly would you do?

RABBI SCHNEIDER: I would quote it, I would, you know, David said he encouraged himself in the Lord. I would speak it to myself, quote it aloud. I would say, “Satan, I reject you, get out of my head.” Then I would replace his lie with the truth, speaking, this is what God’s Word says to myself to encourage my own heart. So I would cast him out and I would affirm myself in the truth.

SID: I would like you to pray right now for the people all over the world watching right now that are looking for help. Pray for them.

RABBI SCHNEIDER: Amen. Father, God, right now in Jesus’ name, I just want to thank you how much you love your children. Father, your word says, behold what manner of love the Father has given unto us that we should be called the children of God and thus we are. And you said, Father, greater is he that’s in us than he that’s in the world, and that this is the victory that’s overcome the world, our faith. Father, we want to thank you right now that in Jesus we already have the victory. Now Father, I speak a word of activation over your people right now that they would realize at a deeper level than ever before that your spirit lives within them, that life is on the inside and that the life that’s in them is greater than the power of darkness that’s outside of them, and that Father, you would activate them out of passivity into activation to use their faith by your spirit with the Word of God, in Jesus name. Satan, I break you off of God’s children’s life in Jesus’ name with the knife of God’s work. I command you to release them right, let them go and in Jesus’ name, I say to you beloved child of God, in Jesus you are free.

SID: Would you say that all believers have to get rid of garbage in their life that was picked up before they were believers or picked up from ancestry, or just a few?

RABBI SCHNEIDER: I think everybody. I think all of us are progressively journeying deeper into freedom and into God’s light. So I think this is for everybody. I think everybody has battles that they need to overcome. You know, Paul said at the very end of his life, “I fought the fight. I’ve run the race and now there’s laid out for me the crown of righteousness.” We all need to be fighting because nobody is yet perfectly free and all of us demand to enter greater freedom and greater peace.

SID: And I speak freedom to you right now. He has a name, Yeshua, Jesus the Messiah. You shall know the truth and the truth, it will set you free.

Sid: If you’ve been listening all this week I’ve had Heidi Baker on and Heidi is, I would not call her red hot for the Messiah, I’d call her white hot which is a shade more than red hot, red hot for the Messiah. I have her husband on the telephone right now. The Baker’s have a wonderful ministry in Mozambique, Africa. They’ve about 3000 churches started in the last couple of years. Leading large numbers of Muslims to the Lord, they have…Rolland how many orphans do you have now?

Rolland: We have well over 1000 in our main 2 centers in the southern capital of Maputo, then we have many others taken care of by our bush churches basically around the country.

Sid: Now I want the people to get to know you a little bit. I got to know you in a very indirect fashion. Many years ago I read a book called “Visions Beyond the Veil.” I was so impressed with this revival that occurred in China, then I found since he has the same last name as you that he was your grandfather. You recently… for those that are not familiar with “Visions Beyond the Veil” just very briefly what did your grandfather observe in China?

Rolland: Well he went to China as a Pentecostal missionary in the 1920’s and he really didn’t exactly what to do. He tried to be a classic missionary by preaching to adults and so forth. My grandmother didn’t really know what to do with herself, but she discovered outside their very very simple Chinese courtyard type house in this wild west town of Kunming where I was born. That she discovered children in the gutters just literally dying in rags and she began to take them in and wash them off and give them clothes and eventually they had a group of about 50 orphans. Many of these orphans were so sick and far gone when they picked them up they literally died in a few days, but eventually they had a group of 50 or so children that were actually were very ordinary children. They’re not particularly interested in spiritual things just naughty kids that wanted to play and so forth and didn’t want to sit in chapel and hear about the Bible or anything. So one day the Holy Spirit just fell on them very very powerfully so much so that these plain ordinary 10 year old kids were convicted of sin to the degree that they wept and hid under their benches and chairs, and for night and day, for days then were caught up by demons and carried off to hell. They didn’t understand the gospel for all they knew they were totally lost and had no hope whatsoever which is an experience I think most people need to go through but don’t in the western church. Then in these visions they experience being caught by angels saved by angels literally over the saints of hell and taken up into heaven and explained the gospel and taken to see Jesus. Then for days and weeks even months these visions would occur every day all day you know except for a brief times of rest and eating all heaven was opened up to these children in a fabulous way that I’ve never heard the equal of in church history.

Sid: Now did you ever meet your grandfather?

Rolland: Oh I knew him very well.

Sid: Did he ever prophecy or lay hands on you because it just seems there’s too close a connection with orphans both of you had with supernatural signs? It’s too close, did he?

Rolland: Well he never just formally laid hands and pronounced anything but he obviously took a deep deep interest in me. I have 4 sisters I’m the son in my father’s family and he only had one son. He just took a terrific interest in me as his grandson ever since I was a small boy 3 – 5 years old on his lap. He would just spend hours with me telling me stories of the supernatural world that he lived in when he was in revival in southwest China.

Sid: One quick story Rolland of what he told you when you were young, just one that had an impact, one supernatural story.

Rolland: Well he made the world of angels and demons very very real. He would tell me stories of how demons would get ahold of children and get ahold of people and entice them with worldly pleasures. In fact in his orphanages these demons would sometimes come inside and just spirits right through the walls and take them away and entice them with toys and money and delights and just offer them all sorts of enticements to keep them away from the things of God and thinking about the next life and all. The angels would come and rescue them and bring them back. Oh I could just go on and on. He always had a different story each time, but they would be so particular and so beyond the experience of the average Christian. So beyond the typical normal Sunday school life for the average kid. He would tell stories of demons giving them supernatural strength and power and insolence if only they would only give their soul to the devil and do his work and all. Then angels would come and he would tell stories of services in the mountains of China where demons would surround the churches outside in the night while they were trying to worship. Angels would be around the church inside the walls keeping the demons out and you could hear the demons outside screaming and cackling, and chanting, and yet these bright white angels inside would be protecting those who were worshipping. It was just extraordinary you know this whole supernatural world of heaven and hell and angels and demons and all was real; the average church goer never hears this stuff at all and the Bible just seems like a bunch of fairy stories and it’s hard to believe.

Sid: You recently went to China what happened?

Rolland: Well there is only one orphan alive still that I know of. He had been separated from the west behind the Bamboo Curtain for all those years. My grandfather was forced out by the communist in 1949. In 1980 China opened up again and my parents went in and met this particular man he’s now 83 years old. This is the man who became my grandfather’s walking companion, ministry companion all those 20 years that he was in the mountains after my grandfather moved out from the orphanage. He was my grandfather’s right hand preaching companion he did all his interpreting, and arrangements, and helped him with all his living arrangements, and carrying his possessions, he did all his translations he was just his man Friday. He just wanted to meet me that the years went by we were able to go to Kunming for a number of visits. But my father and even my mother had never been up to my grandfather’s territory in Yunam it was so far so remote and permission was not granted to westerners even after 1980 for a long long time to go up into that region. So even my parents had never seen it, but now China is getting more and more open, and more more free now finally those regions are open to foreigners to visit. But Lee Shui this man is now 83 and he does really not think that he could possibly go to heaven without a visit from me.

Sid: Hmm.

Rolland: He just really wanted to see me one last time in my grandfather’s territory in his home, in his mountain valley before he went to heaven. He was able to get that message by telephone to my mother last year. My mother went out to visit the city of Kunming where the orphanage was. It’s still a long ways from where my grandfather worked in the mountains, but she met with Lee Shui and he said he really wanted me to come and visit him, be with him, and go there before he died. He just could not die until I came. Last month, actually a few weeks ago I was able to finally make the trip and that was the first time a white man had been in that area in 50 years. It was so long ago most people had never seen a white man at all till they saw me.

Sid: So did you have people, children following you around wherever you went?

Rolland: Yeah nobody had ever seen a white and I was just a total object of attention. They had heard about my grandfather and my arrival just caused a huge stir. It was very emotional for me because when I was little I would hear about all his 20 mile hikes everyday from village to village evangelizing entire mountain valleys and one community after another with signs and wonders, extremely Pentecostal. Nothing had to be forced, contrived. He baptized personally some 10,000 people in wild cold mountain rivers and high altitudes and these people would just get so overcome by the presence of God on the river banks; they would just get lost in the Spirit and fall to the ground and roll and shake and laugh and get up in visions, and they’d come up out of the water speaking in tongues without ever hearing about tongues, and prophesying…

Sid: Speaking of prophesying out of curiosity in China or any of your travels have heard, or has the Lord shown you or Heidi, an indication as to where we are in history?

Rolland: Well my grandfather’s children had a lot of visions not just of heaven but past events and also future events of the tribulation. Now they do not know anything about the current controversy over when the tribulation is and the rapture is or anything like that. But they certainly saw a lot of the kind of power that we can expect in the last days. From those visions we can certainly see that God is not finished yet, He has not finished pouring out His Spirit on all flesh and we’re going to see a time of incredible harvest where the Holy Spirit takes ahold of His church, takes the reigns of His church and individuals of His body, and completely removes all reason for the world to accuse us of hypocrisy and weakness and all. He’s going to build a beautiful spotless bride and church and it’s truely going to glorify Him in the last days. The children would see God’s people transporting themselves like Phillip, you know to Samaria just going from place to place to place as they needed without the benefit of helicopters and airplanes, calling down fire from heaven on unrepentant towns and cities. Just being given extreme authority that was possible by the reason of their holiness and purity. We are entering that realm, we really are in Mozambique we’re beginning to see the possibilities. Our eyes are being open to that sort of thing and we realize that nothing is impossible all those dreams and desires and all the things we dared to hope for in God all of our lives, all the things we read in the Bible, all the greatness of God that we long to see fleshed out is actually unfolding.

Sid: We’re out of time!

Sid: I think that’s a very apt description of my next guest her name is Joan Gieson. I’m speaking to her at her home in St. Louis, Missouri. And you’ve probably seen Joan on television if you’ve ever watched the Benny Hinn show; she’s the woman that says “Pastor Benny” this person has just been healed of this disease or that disease” and now she’s in her own ministry. And the thing that I found so intriguing is that for years she also worked with one of my favorite ministries the Kathryn Kuhlman Ministry doing similar things and she has pretty much picked up strong anointings of healing from both of those wonderful ministries. But actually I want to take you back to the beginning you just had your first child and something happened to you and it only happens in the movies it’s not supposed to happen in real life what happened to you?

Joan: I just want to say hello to you this morning and thank you so much for allowing me to be with you today. You know I felt as though when the first call came in to be with you on your television program that it was one of the top 3 important things that ever happened in my life. And that saying something because I’m an old woman and I’ve done a lot but it was from the Holy Spirit that He allowed me to know that and I feel the same way about being with you today and tomorrow and the following days. In saying all of that thanks a million for allowing this to happen. But yes…

Sid: Well Joan that’s as a nice a compliment that I’ve ever had on the air so thank you but what happened after your first child?

Joan: Honey it was devastating I’m Italian and my name my maiden name is Palermo and my mom and dad they had 3 kids and all of us were strong as anybody could be there was no sickness other than measles and mumps and colds and just the general thing you know. And in the…with the Catholic people I don’t know if it’s with all of the Catholics, I mean Italians I didn’t mean Catholic Italian a pedigree is given to the intended husband. Before the marriage my mother and father took me to the regular doctor and the gynecologist and check all over and I had all of the reproductive organs in good condition. My teeth were good and my hearing was good and it sounded like selling a poodle (Laughing). And so my mom and dad that and said that “She’s healthy and she’s strong” and it was like part of dowry. And I got married and a wonderful wedding went on a honeymoon and now sometime later our first child was born and when he was just a little more than 2 years old I stooped over one day to pick something up off of the floor and my husband at that time was working from 12 noon until 10 at night and so he had already gone to work. And Michael was, that’s the little boy’s name, he was playing and when I stooped over to get this whatever it was that ever had fallen on the floor I got up and Sid I was completely blind.

Sid: Hm.

Joan: Well it’s not something that you can practice for or you can prepare for it’s like oh there was a fear that gripped my body that was so inclusive that I mean I could literally feel it’s clutches around me. And I yelled for Michael to come and he brought the telephone to me and I called the operator and had her dial my mother. And I said “Mom you’ve got to come quick I can’t see.” Well her and my grandfather came in a minute it seemed like and I was sitting in the living room and I would see bits and pieces of my sight coming back and then it would go again. Well within a couple of hours it had come back but the fear had not left. And my mom said “Okay now what happened here there’s something wrong we’re going to go out and buy a new hat and we’ll divert your attention to something else,” but she said “When I gave your hand to Frank that’s my husband you were perfectly sound and good and she said I want to know what happened.” That’s a good Italian mom.

Sid: It sounds like a Jewish mom but go ahead.

Joan: I think it came from the same pod you know I really do.

Sid: Well we both speak with our hands I know that.

Joan: Yes and I’m speaking with my hands yes absolutely. But my mom did she took me out to buy the new hat and I was thrilled with the new hat but it certainly did not take that fear away. And then she waited until Frank came home for dinner late that night after 10:00. And she said “Frank you know what’s happened here you know are there problems that I don’t know about?” And he said “No!” I mean he was just as shocked as we were. Well then we kissed each other goodbye and she left and we went to bed and the next day the very same thing happened. And at the end of our street there was a doctor, just a general doctor which I had never seen before. But when my mother and grandfather arrived my dad was at work also they took me down to this man and this man I was still blind when they took me into his office and they took me in as an emergency. And this doctor said “I do not know what’s wrong with her but I have a friend whose name is William Bailey and he’s an ophthalmologist and I called him and told him you were one the way. Well I went to him Sid and he said “You have optic the hemorrhages are behind both eyes and the optic nerves are swollen into the brain” and he said “There’s major trouble here and of course I can’t tell you conclusively what’s wrong but I’ve made an appointment with another doctor named Edmund Smallick” and I said “What is that?” And this time again the fright had come back but it wasn’t right. And he said “He’s a brain surgeon and I want you to see him and it’s my thinking that it could be several things. He said it could be a brain tumor and we want to check this out.” And so I went to this Edmund Smallick and what an unusual man this was. Now this was in one day Sid one day I went blind the next day it happened again. I went to the first doctor he sent me to the ophthalmologist which sent me to the brain surgeon that day. He said “I’m going to send you over to the hospital and I want you to be in there tonight we’re going to do some tests tomorrow and we’re going to see what we can find.” And I started crying, the guy gave me his handkerchief and he said “You know I haven’t done anything to you yet don’t cry” and he felt really bad for me because I was just…I had not really been sick and I did not know what was going on. And to think that this blindness could be part of your life now, but you know Sid the thing that scared me the very most was…

Sid: What was that?

Joan: If I would die I mean immediately I mean there was not only a blindness but there was a sick feeling that came over when this. Now I don’t know if it was an emotional sick or what it was but physically I felt sick. Again I don’t know if it was because of the stress of the thing but I just felt terrible, and so this is in one day. Now that night I’m in the hospital and laying there I’m crying. I never missed a Sunday for over 20 years in my Lutheran church I was born and raised in a Lutheran church not Catholic as Italians usually are but a Lutheran church. And I thought “If I die will I get to heaven?” Now that was so big inside of me the fear from the blindness was one thing, but the fear of maybe not making heaven was the…I think the most important of the two. And so they did the test the next day they injected radioactive isotopes into my veins through my arm. And they pact my body in sand bags and they today it’s an MRI and it’s very quick but then they ran this x-ray across my whole body to see if they could pick up any problem areas. Well it was almost an entire day that I had to lay still and I came out of that thing desperate, I was desperate. And so I called for my pastor and he came and I said to him “Pastor Zigoran I’m afraid if I die I don’t know if I am even going to get to heaven.” He said “Joan first of all you’re probably not going to die, second you will get to heaven because you’re a member of our church.” He said “And you and your husband tithed to our church” and he said “You’re little boy has been baptized in our church and everything that you’ve done revolves around the church; so because I can assure you that you’ve been a good worker you’re going to get to heaven.” Well I felt good but then when he left all of my hope went with him. And the next day testing was more grueling than the day before and on and on I remember staying there for 2 weeks and they could never pinpoint anything. So my plea by this time is desperate because this blindness is coming and then it’s going now it’s affecting my hearing, its affecting my walking, I cannot walk correctly, my balance off I’m dizzy. Now what I once knew as a perfect body was not any longer a perfect body I was an absolute mess.

Sid: Joan we’re out of time we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.

SID: Now another key for making right decisions every time simply is praying in a supernatural language. The Bible refers to it as unknown tongues. Tell me why that’s so important.

KAREN: Well it’s your spirit praying directly to God. You know, when the Bible says when we pray in tongues we don’t have an understanding in our minds, and so there’s so many benefits to praying in tongues. First of all, it makes you bold. Second of all, it gives you, it helps you pray out the mysteries of the future. You know, he who prays in tongues is praying directly to God for his mysteries. And you know, the future is a mystery to us. Right. And so if you’re seeking God’s direction or asking him for right decisions, when you pray in the Spirit or pray in other tongues, you’re praying out things in your future, like when you get there, it’s ready for you already set up by God. And another, in you know, Romans 8:26 it says that, “The Spirit helps us pray when we don’t know what to pray for as we ought.” I don’t know about you, but there’s lots of times I run into things when I know somebody should pray, but I don’t know what to pray for.

SID: You know the symptoms, but you don’t know the causes. Wouldn’t it be great to be able to pray precise prayers.

KAREN: Yes.

SID: From the Spirit of the Living God to change the circumstance in your life or a loved one’s life.

KAREN: You know, I think about Peter on the day of Pentecost. This is a guy who denied the Lord three times and was probably feeling guilty, and was feeling weak. But he went to the Upper Room with the disciples. When the Holy Spirit fell they all spoke in other tongues and then Peter preached, and won 3000 people to the Lord that day.

SID: Well my message to you is start praying in tongues.

KAREN: Yes, absolutely.

SID: But you tell people, and I think this is phenomenal, when they go to sleep, go to sleep praying in tongues. Explain a little bit.

KAREN: I was in children’s ministry for like 21 years and so I got lots of kids filled with the Spirit praying in other tongues, which is so exciting. I used to tell them, guys, you got to practice and so I gave them a practice time. Every night when you lay your head down on the pillow just pray in tongues. And then adults heard me teaching kids that, and they would come back to me and say, you know, I go to sleep praying in tongues and I wake up knowing stuff.

SID: The Bible says you have to become like a little child.

KAREN: It’s true.

SID: Pray for people right now that are born from above, because that’s the only requirement, born again. You believe Jesus died for your sins, his blood washed them away, you’ve repented and you asked Jesus to be your Lord. If that’s you, pray for them to receive the filling the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. And by the way, you can be filled with the Holy Spirit without speaking in tongues, but you could speak in tongues if you’re filled with the Holy Spirit.

KAREN: Yes. And it’s easy. You know, this is a gift from God. When somebody wants to give you a gift and they’re holding it out like this, what do you do? You just take it. You don’t have to qualify for it. You don’t have to earn or deserve it. It’s just something given to you by God. And God has put his Holy Spirit on the earth ever since, Acts, Chapter 2, Verse 4, ever since the day of Pentecost, for us, for a gift, and it’s not hard to receive it. In fact, all you have to do is just pray this prayer with me. Father God.

SID: Father God.

KAREN: I ask for the gift of the Holy Spirit.

SID: I ask for the gift of the Holy Spirit.

KAREN: Fill me with your spirit.

SID: Fill me with your spirit.

KAREN: With the evidence of speaking in tongues.

SID: With the evidence of speaking in tongues.

KAREN: I receive it now.

SID: I receive it now.

KAREN: In Jesus’ name.

SID: In Jesus’ name.

KAREN: It’s that easy.

SID: Now you can’t talk English without cooperating with your mouth and your lips. Right? You can’t speak from, it’s not coming from here any more and this will rebel, it’s coming from here, your belly. Therefore, you’ll not hear it until you do your part, God will do his. You can’t speak in English unless you articulate the words coming from your brain. You can’t speak, I don’t know how, perfect, it’s unknown. You start speaking as quickly as you can, a language you haven’t been instructed, like a little child, right now. [speaking in tongues]. Now if you don’t start speaking, no one else will do it. [speaking in tongues]. Someone’s ear was just opened in Jesus’ name. [speaking in tongues]. Hey, this really is supernatural, Karen. Now what if someone has missed it? They know they’ve missed it. Are they finished?

KAREN: No.

SID: Good.

KAREN: Haven’t we all.

SID: Of course.

KAREN: You know, I think nobody has done everything perfectly. And the devil would love you to believe that now you’re disqualified, you know, or that was your only chance and it’s over for you. But he’s a liar, you know. If the Bible shows us anything, it shows us people who got another chance, you know. Look at Moses. He killed an Egyptian and he thought his time for being a deliverer was over, but no, God’s plan for him was go, he kept going.

SID: Look at David.

KAREN: Look at David. We’re talking about, you know, sleeping with somebody else’s wife, getting her pregnant and killing her husband. I mean.

SID: You think you did bad.

KAREN: Exactly. And yet even the New Testament still calls him a man after God’s own heart. He repented, you know. And so if you’ve missed it, if you feel like you’ve gotten off track, I’m telling you, God is big enough to get you back on track.

SID: Well I want you to pray right now for people, right now.

KAREN: Okay. Father, we just come to you, I come to you on behalf of those who have maybe missed it, maybe gone off track, maybe gotten in the wrong direction. And Father, if I just pray that you give them Divine impartations and truth, and revelation that they can ask you for forgiveness and they can go on that your plan for their life is still coming to pass, that what you created them for will, is still your plan for their lives. I pray over those people. I pray that you are able to just receive God’s forgiveness and keep on going because he knows how to get you right back on track in Jesus’ name.

SID: And my way of saying the same thing is just throw off the dust and the horrible things and say, thank you for your blood. I repent, Jesus. Now you have to repent. Don’t get me wrong, that means a change of action, you’re sorry. You repent and I’m going to tell you, you will not miss a step of what God has for you in your life.

KAREN: Yes.

SID: You are ready to walk into your destiny. And God told me tell you that right now. That’s his message for you.

SID: So have you ever said to God, God, I’m so practical, just tell me what you want me to do and I’ll do it. Have you ever said that? You know, have you ever said, God, I just don’t hear your voice. I feel so sorry for myself. No, you never say it that way, but that’s what you’re really saying. That’s the way most of us feel.

GARY: Yes. Before I learned, that’s how I would feel. But hearing God’s voice is the key. The Bible says that, “The Kingdom of God does not come by observation, but it is in us,” Luke, chapter 17, verse 20. We already have the Kingdom. We already have every answer we need, the capacity to hear already in us. First Corinthians says that we have the mind of Christ, and so that’s, we have to tap into that. And like the story we told about Luke, chapter 5, the fishermen, Jesus told them where the fish were. Now all we need is to be able to hear. And of course, when Peter had taxes to pay, Matthew 17, Jesus said, “Go catch a fish and you’ll find a gold coin.” And so.

SID: But you know, if someone just had that thought, they would say, that’s ridiculous, I’ve just been fishing all night, I’m not going to do that.

GARY: Yes. Yes.

SID: That’s what people do, you explained to me. We get these God thoughts and we flick them off. I don’t hear from God. Get off that thought.

GARY: Yes. Well a lot of thoughts we hear are for a reason. I always say your answer is hidden from you for you. We read in First Corinthians, second chapter, speaking of Jesus being born, that if Satan would have known about the plan of God he would not have crucified Jesus. So Satan will always, if he can pick up on the plan of God, he will change his tactics. So God uses strange and sometimes unusual directions to us so that Satan does not know what the heck is going on. And we actually go capture wealth and capture opportunities before he actually can pick up on it and interfere with it.

SID: We talked about a secret weapon that’s mysterious.

GARY: Yes.

SID: What’s the secret?

GARY: First Corinthians, 12, 13 and 14 — 13 says, “Show the love of God,” the love chapter, but it starts, “Though I speak with the tongues of men and angels.” And First Corinthians 14:2 says, “A man who prays in the Spirit, who prays in tongues utters mysteries out of his own spirit, and he actually edifies himself.” The word “edify” means teach or instruct. So as we pray in the Spirit, God is downloading to our spirit mysteries that bring the capacity for us to pick up on revelation of direction of things we have need of, of the instructions. Just like as if Jesus were sitting there with you, he would say there’s the fish, go catch them.

SID: Stop flicking off God’s ideas. That’s the message.

GARY: Yes.

SID: So we have a young man in our mailroom and he got so excited, he’s working for us, and he said, “You’re having Gary Keesee. I listened to his teaching and I had literally a miracle happen.” Ian, you’re sitting in the back. Would you stand up for a moment. He, newly married. They had their first child. They want a home. All he has is a couple thousand dollars. So he reads the teaching. There’s the most phenomenal story. And rather than use the 2000 for the house, which they probably could get the house they wanted anyway, rather than use that he found out about a woman that had a severe need. And guess what he did? He planted his 2000, which is all he had, all he had into that family. So what happens? Make a long story short, a relative says, I’m going to give you $15,000, out of the blue, and he gets the house of his dreams because he applied, he didn’t just give to get. He gave where his heart showed him a, really a bigger need than he had.

GARY: Yes.

SID: And that made the difference. But that was following, and that’s the amazing thing. It was following after he listened to Gary’s teaching.

GARY: Right.

SID: When you apply God’s laws in the Spirit, the supernatural happens and although it may take a few years using supernatural principles to get out of debt, do you know that God is speeding everything up. This is your moment right now. Don’t miss it. We’re in a living in a new time, a new period. Heaven is coming so close to Earth. Don’t give up. You’re at the finish line. Pray what God is showing you right now.

GARY: Father, in the name of Jesus, I break the spirit of anxiousness over the fear of lack. I break the spirit of poverty in Jesus’ name. Father, your Kingdom is a kingdom of wealth and you give us the grace to prosper in the name of Jesus. Amen.