Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be whole.Many people are stuck because of stronghold that have formed in their life from events there not even thinking about and they wonder why they’re stuck. But there’s nothing that they feel that they can do about so they go throughout life without having the intimacy, the friendship, they peace, the sweetness of a full relationship with God. So my guest Trisha Frost was like that, and her husband Jack Frost was like that. And Jack was a very very driven man, his father was an alcoholic, he got into after he became a believer Jack got into performance based Christianity. His wife Trish had very low self-esteem and he went to a conference and for the first time he realized that he and his family members were judging God by their relationship with their father. And he broke it in himself and then he preceded to show… just out of curiosity Trish did he come home and start teaching or did you just notice the change in him? What occurred?
Trisha: Well whenever he first came home when he walked through the door from the conference where Jack Winter… isn’t that nice of God, Jack Winter had…God had Jack Winter speak a blessing over Jack Frost.
Sid: (Laughing)
Trisha: But he came home from this conference and he was not the same person, and he walked in the door and he immediately began to sit us down and he just started saying “I’m sorry, I’m sorry that I’ve treated you this way, I’m sorry that I didn’t value you.” And there was no but attached to any of the sorry. You know there was no “I’m sorry but if you hadn’t had done this we wouldn’t be this way.” He took responsibility and ownership for his behavior; he took responsibility for all of the ways that he had wounded his family because I think for the first time he had a revelation of just how much he had wounded his family. He didn’t want that for his family any more, and so he immediately… he didn’t just come in and say “I’m sorry” that was great but then his whole behavior changed. He began to act differently, you know we didn’t have to…
Sid: You know most people think no one can change “That husband of mine, that wife of mine that’s the way they are they can’t change.” But you’re saying your husband changed.
Trisha: Given the right environment anybody can change. And Jack was placed in an environment of unconditional love and acceptance himself when Jack Winter prayed over him. He was placed in an environment that he’s never felt that kind of love and intimacy from a father. And I think all of us need, isn’t that what we’re all looking for? We’re all looking to be valued and loved especially by our fathers or and our mothers too, but especially we long to hear those words Sid “I love you son, I’m proud of you son,” and just words of blessing. So many people live by words that have been spoken over them because they’re word curses you know “You’ll never amount to anything you stupid idiot you know you can’t do that,” or all of the “I can’ts” instead of creating an environment where we we can believe in a person and we can see the potential and purpose and the destiny and then as parents begin to bless that. So when we create environments like that anybody can change.
Sid: Now I’m going to read a quote from you “Pain turns to behavioral patterns which cause us to then be pain, for those that we love.” It seems like such a viscous cycle.
Trisha: Yeah, we called our cycle of pain because what it is for us it is a cycle. Because this cycle of pain it starts with a wound somewhere in our life. Either a word curse is spoken or someone does something that just hurts and wounds us to the point that we get stuck believing a lie or word curse that we can’t. Out of that woundedness then it causes us to begin to think negatively about our self “Well maybe their right, I can’t do this or I can’t do that and so I might as well live life.” And then the next part of that cycle whenever you don’t believe in yourself and you start believing a lie about yourself and then you step into disobedience. God did not make any of us to not be successful and so we step in… we embrace the lie and we step into sin and disobedience. Well that opens up the doors for isolation, you know well I just don’t trust you enough to allow you to be a part of my life. And whenever we open up the doors for darkness and isolation, I hate to say it but then we open up the doors for demonic oppression. You know our enemy is looking for ways to just devour us, I feel like the devil has just had one mission statement and that’s to divide and conquer. So he’s constantly looking for ways to divide families and to conquer whole families and he does that through separation. “You know if I can get this person to believe that they have no value especially by their earthly parents of even their spiritual authorities in their life. Then I’ve got them, if I can convince them to believe a lie long enough that sooner or later that lie becomes a reality it’s not their truth.” But I heard it said one time that Joseph Gobel who was Hitler’s minister of propaganda he made this statement “If you can convince a person of a lie long enough they’ll believe it.” And that’s how he convinced Germany to believe the lie that Jewish people have no value.” And you saw that, I mean really it almost produced one of the greatest genocides in history ever.
Sid: But you know what’s interesting, the flip side of that is also true. “If you believe the word of God and hear it long enough and start following that you will believe the truth.” In other words, that’s the way the human body is created, we will believe what we hear long enough. So we have to make sure we hear the right thing.
Trisha: Exactly, exactly. Well how do you do that? You know people ask me all the time “Well how do I identify the word curses in my life, how do I understand what wounding is?” Well I think Jeremiah 1:10, 11 help’s us out there. Because it says “See today I have set you as rulers.” Sid I really don’t believe that people believe that they have that kind of authority. God has set us up for rulers, you know we’re joint heirs but in being set up for rulers He’s told us to go out and uproot, tear down, overthrow, and destroy all the things in our life those root issues, those ungodly beliefs so you can build and plant. So many people get a hold of the faith message build and plant you know that mouth confession is really good but when you try to just do mouth confessions on top of ungodly beliefs then it doesn’t change anything for you and then you get frustrated and you lose hope that “I’ll ever change, that I can ever have purpose and that I can ever have value.” So it’s when we go after those things you know those ungodly beliefs you know those strongholds, those habit patterns.
Sid: Now when you say stronghold what’s your definition of stronghold?
Trisha: I think a stronghold is a fortress of thought or could be a fortress of many thoughts that actually influence the way that we respond to life you know. Again it’s a habit pattern, it’s a habit. You know a habit is something that we are we or it’s an act or something that we believe so often that it takes no new decision of mind to perform the act.
Sid: Now how does the stronghold actually get to be a stronghold in our life?
Trisha: Well through word curses; you know whenever you’re told a lie it goes back to that. When you are told a lie long enough you begin to believe it, even though you know that that’s not true, that’s not your destiny, that’s not the purpose and plan of your life you begin to embrace that as truth for yourself. And then involuntarily you will begin to live from that lie thinking that that’s your truth. I see it over and over and over again. I mean I travel, mainly in North America right now but I travel at least twice a month and I do encounters and seminars. And Sid I meet people every day in these seminars that have embraced an orphan heart. You know that heart that tells them that they don’t have a right to belong. And they embrace that orphan heart mainly because they’ve not had a place to belong. They’ve not had anyone speaking into their life that they have value, that they have purpose, that they have destiny. And so they begin to believe that they don’t and believing that they don’t they live their life most of time… I hate to say subservient but just beneath their potential. And I believe it with all of my heart and I believe this. And I have been especially been living this way since Jack died I believe with all of my heart that Father God wants each and every one of us to not just be successful but to live abundantly above anything that we could dream about. And why not?
Sid: I have in my hand your bookmark which is called “I am Father God’s happy thought.” Tell me about this bookmark very quickly.
Trisha: I keep that bookmark most of the time taped to the mirror in my bathroom because I need to remind myself that Father God has happy thoughts. See we don’t believe that, we tend to view Father God the same way that we view our earthly dads. And that’s such a misrepresentation of who He really is, because He says in 1st Corinthians that He can’t think an evil thought. And if He cannot think an evil thought about us where do we get the idea. Who’s telling us that He does, “Who’s telling us that we’re a failure that we can’t.” Because I just believe with all of my heart that if it hadn’t had been my belief of the image of who Father God really is today I never would have been able to walk through the last 7 years of Jack not being here. You know I was so afraid to do anything, especially anything on my own and Father God’s given me the courage to believe in my destiny and purpose and the plans that He has for me. But Sid it has not come without a cost.
Sid: I’ll tell you what out of time right now.
