Sid: My guest John Bevere and you’ve probably read his bestselling book that’s 20^th year anniversary “The Bait of Satan.” Well over a million of “The Bait of Satan” have sold. And John on yesterday’s broadcast we had to stop you were talking about your son worked with you on this book on “The Holy Spirit” and you were telling me a story about it.

John: Well I asked my son to help me write this book because I look at the young generation. They young generation many of them back away from the Holy Spirit. And Sid I think it’s because some of the strangeness that occurred when he was you know 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 years old and all of them and what happened was he saw things that disturbed him. And I want to make very clear is… and let’s just be honest we’ve got listeners right now that are like “Oh, I’ve seen weirdness.” Now let me make this statement “Nobody can detect weirdness better than a little child. I remember my kids we’d go into some churches and they’d be 5 years old and their leaning in as far as they could into their mother because of the person sitting next to them that was just doing something really really strange. And when it’s God it’s not strange, and so my point is this “Nobody yielded better to the Holy Spirit than Jesus, nobody fully allowed the Holy Spirit to express the will of God better than Jesus. Yet kids jumped in Jesus’. Yet mafia invited Jesus to their parties because tax collectors were the mafia of the day. If you look at businessmen and the leaders sought out Jesus. So in other words Jesus wasn’t weird and yet he gave full expression to the Holy Spirit. So my statement to these young people, I said “Wait a minute if you saw things that you knew were not right, weird strange
I said “Chances are good that it was the person they might have been strange if they were playing cards or playing tennis,” but if you see somebody whose completely yielded to the Holy Spirit no matter what the manifestation and there are some; there are manifestations that are amazing that the Holy Spirit will do; spitting on somebodies eye to get them healed but it’s not…. But when He’s in it it’s never perceived as weird or strange or repulsive. And so I had a great burden because this young generation has a deep deep desire to reach the world. I’ve never seen a generation that wants to be a part of something bigger than themselves more so than this generation. I’ve never seen a generation that want to be so much a part of a team. I know that their intentions and their compassions are good to help the needy, the poor, those that are victims of social injustice. But if they don’t have the power and the manifestation of the Holy Spirit, and they aren’t friends with Him, intimate with Him, they’re not going to be able to fulfill what God had put in their heart for their generation.

Sid: But I don’t care if whether you are a young person or you’re in your 80’s there is a depth of fellowship. As a matter of fact we didn’t finish that. John the other day we were talking about the word communion and the personality of the Holy Spirit and you started with fellowship.

John:   You know I look at the way… fellowship means to interact; it means to companionship. I know that none of us would jump in a car and not speak to somebody for 20 minutes. Well how many times do we do that with the Holy Spirit; sometimes I think that He’s the most ignored person in the church. So if you look at the apostles in the Book of Acts; if you look at Christians the leaders you will find out that they have interaction with the Holy Spirit. I mean Paul says in Acts chapter I think it’s 20 he said “The Holy Spirit has told me in city after city.,..” So you see that there’s an ongoing interaction there. If you look at Philip when Philip was in Samaria conducting some service and Samaria is getting saved and there’s miracles and healings. The Bible says that an angel spoke to him; it doesn’t say “That an angel appeared.” Now it says an angel appeared to Mary; an angel appeared to Joseph; an angel appeared to Zechariah; an angel appeared to John. It said an angel spoke to Philip and said “Go to the desert.” So Philip listened to the angel and three verses later he’s out in the desert he’s been there a couple of days; he sees a royal Ethiopian chariot. And the Spirit then said “Go and join this chariot.” Sid Philip, these guys knew the voice of the Spirit so clearly they could differentiate between His voice and the voice of angel. Now that sounds weird and strange to some today but I don’t think it is because let me give you a natural example. If I’m in a room and I’m talking to you Sid and there’s a couple a couple dozen people in the room and my wife is sitting across the room and she’s talking to your wife she may make a comment and I’ll hear her voice above all 2 dozen of those people in that room. And I’ll say “There’s my wife’s voice and I’m not looking at her; I’m not seeing her.

Sid: Absolutely, but if you had never heard her you would not know it. If you have never realized the Holy Spirit’s talking to you you’d never know His voice.

John: Correct, so just as I know each of the voices on my team, I have 30 team members. If I call my office I’ll know which one answered the phone, I know their voices. So the early church they could tell; think about it; when Philip was sitting there with Dr. Luke, and Dr. Luke is writing the book of Acts and Philip says “Now wait a minute Luke; it was not the Holy Spirit spoke to me in the city of Samaria it was an angel. Now when I got out into the desert that’s when the Spirit spoke to me. They could tell the difference, that’s how well they knew the Holy Spirit.

Sid: Tell me about partnership with the Holy Spirit.

John: Oh, I love partnership. If you look at partners, partners develop what I call a ebb and flow. In other words they know what each others going to do. I played Varsity Tennis at Perdue University I was paired with the #2 singles and we were the #3 doubles team for the Varsity Tennis Team. And I remember that we were a bit awkward because balls were going between us and I’m thinking that he’s going to get it and he’s thinking that I’m going to get it. But after a few matches we developed a flow and we were very tough to beat we really operated as one man on that tennis court. We knew what each other was thinking. Well the first time that I spoke I told you on the first program I put Lisa asleep. Now I speak in front of 5000 people and 10,000 people and 20,000 people and they don’t go to sleep when I speak, why? Because I’ve learned how to yield to my partner. I’ve developed that flow with Him. So when I was with Lisa I was speaking out of my head, I’m bound to my notes. Now I’ve learned how to listen for what He’s leading me to do in my heart when I speak. And so there’s an ebb and flow that has developed. The first book I wrote it took a year and it really wasn’t that good. Now He tells me to write a book and I crank it out in a couple of months. So I’ve learned how to partner better. Because Paul made the statement “We are fellow workers for and with God” in 1^st Corinthians chapter 3. If you look at the Apostles in the book of Acts they said “It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us.” You can see His representation and their representation so it definitely means partnership.

Sid: And the third thing you talk about is intimacy with Him.

John: That’s the best, that’s the best. I could talk about that for hours so I have to be really careful. (Laughing)

Sid: You have to we only have a couple minutes left. (Laughing)

John: Well intimacy is fellowship but it goes deeper than fellowship; it goes to the thoughts to the secrets the desires of the heart. Intimacy is a sure avenue to a deep friendship. If you look at that Message Bible it says “May the intimate friendship of the Holy Spirit be with you.” He desires to be our friend, in fact if you look at James chapter 4 verse 5 it says “The Spirit who dwells in us yearns.” Now the word yearns means He longs for intensely and consistently. What does He yearn for? He yearns for our friendship. But the thing you’ve got to remember is James said “He yearns jealousy.” What does jealousy mean? It means that just as Lisa wouldn’t share with me secrets and desires of her heart in intimacy if I was pursuing a relationship with another girl. Even so the Holy Spirit will not share with us the secrets and the desires of His heart if we’re pursing a relationship with the world. That’s exactly what James meant when he said 3 verses earlier in James chapter 4 verse 2. He said “You’re seeking a friendship with the world and you’re an adulterer. An adulterer is one who has a covenant relationship with one but violates that covenant to pursue that relationship with somebody else. So if you want to have intimacy with the Holy Spirit you have to make sure you’re not pursuing a relationship with the world.

Sid: And speaking of that very briefly it was amazing that you decided to fast TV and then you just walked by a TV and all of a sudden you felt something you didn’t feel when you had not fasted TV. What was that?

John: Well it’s interesting, it wasn’t a really particular bad program it actually was nothing. You know some programs today, I don’t care if you don’t fast for 3 years you can’t watch them if you really are a follower of Jesus. But this one was not particular bad one but it was just actually policeman that had to use a gun to take somebody’s life okay. And remember what happened on the inside of me I was so sensitive to it I had to walk back out of the room. I like “Oh my gosh I’ve been in the presence of God for all of these days and yet now I just get out and I get exposed to this and I was like “Ah uh, I don’t want this.” So I find what happens is if we don’t spend that time with Him like you were talking about we get a little dull. We get dull in our spirit, you know just like… you know I go to the gym 3 times a week at least. Why, because I want to keep my body in shape. If we’re not praying in the Spirit and we’re not in the word of God and spending time with Him in intimacy we get a little dull in the spirit.

Sid: John, we’re out of time I’m so sorry… I want you to develop such a friendship with the Holy Spirit….

 

Sid: Well my guest his name is James Goll, and James has had more supernatural encounters, visits to heaven, angelic visitations; miracles, healings, all the gifts of the Spirit. But there’s a reason; he is grounded in the word of God and his heart’s desire is because he knows that there’s such and in fact God told you what is about ready to happen supernaturally on planet earth. Tell me the good that you see.

James: (laughing) That’s awesome Sid; you know one of the… there’s lots of things but one of the things right now is that the Holy Spirit has spoken so clear to me is that the door of the harvest is opened. And one of the… and so actually I was in a service in a church and the door to the church (I’m speaking) and the door to the church literally blows open. A wind comes through the door and I look at this and I go “Lord, what is this, what are you saying?” And He speaks to me and says “The door to the harvest has now been opened.” And then just as a little way of like confirming that then I was in another church and I’m ministering and the Holy Spirit says to me “I want you to like lay hands upon people that Sunday morning that are of a different background different ethnic call or background.” And I’m like “Well God this is kind of like this isn’t going to take very long because I was in the church in another state and there was like another class like church. And so that assignment won’t take long; well it ended up that Sunday morning I guess the Holy Spirit sent out a memo and a bunch of people came that were from many different backgrounds. And so there was a man from Nigeria, a man from Ethiopia, and some from Bosnia and some other different places. And so there was this little brown couple and so I’m just going doing what the Holy Spirit said. So I laid my hands upon them and I’m just blessing people. I then turned around and I twirled in the Spirit and I pronounced over this couple “By the way there’s only one God and His Name is Jesus and He is the holy Man of God and He wants you to know that He loves you.” They raised their hands and they throw their hands in the air and they say “We want this Jesus.” Holy Spirit fell on them and they got saved and baptized in the Holy Spirit in that one moment. This is only one story and I have a bunch of stories; the background to this is the door of the harvest is open. And I want you right now; I want you to believe for your loved ones or you’re believing for backslidden people. I want you to be believing for all of your relatives to have visitations and to get saved and their names written in the Lambs book of life. So the background is that this little couple that I know they were from India and they were Hindu’s and they had never ever attended a church service in their life time. So they come that week they met a believer from this particular church. They tell them “We want to meet the holy man; we want to meet your most holy man. So this person says “Hey, come to church; here at this church and come on Sunday morning and you’ll meet this most holy man. Well I didn’t have a clue that this was going on if I’d known that Sid I’d probably would have fasted for 48 hours and I might have even shown up in a white robe or something okay. I don’t know, any way so…

Sid: (Laughing)

James: There they come to meet the holy man; I’m up there and see what I prophesied I laid my hands on these guys I didn’t know that they weren’t even believers. I didn’t know that they never attended church.   I laid my hands on them and I said “By the way, there’s only one God,” because these Hindu’s worship many gods. I said “There’s only one God and Jesus is His Name; He’s the most holy man.” And in that day they met the most holy man and His Name is Jesus. Right now where ever you’re listening you can meet the most Holy Man and I’m just going to exercise faith with you for visitation of whole families. Because the door of the harvest is open. So I just speak right now; I pray according to the book of Luke and the book of Matthew we pray to the Lord of the Harvest that He sends forth labors. I want you to name your family members, and your neighbors and the people that you work with to the Lord right now. And we just say the word of the Lord goes forth and labors are being released right now and we just declare that hearts of stone are being turned into hearts of flesh. Why? Because God loves and “God so loved the world that He gave His only Son that whosoever would believe in Jesus will be saved.” And so we speak the door of the harvest is open. That’s only one of the things that I see and I believe.

Sid:     What do you see from the viewpoint of the miraculous?

James: Oh, there’s increase, there’s huge increase. I had the voice of the Lord come to me in December in my bedroom. And I’m not talking in my heart I talking about the external voice of the Lord and He said “The seeds that the seerers and the Prophets planted in a younger generation decades ago are now coming into fruition, therefore they will be now an increase of the word of knowledge and the gifts of the Spirit will be on the increase creating an atmosphere of the fear of the Lord and signs and wonders.” And so I’m seeing this already myself, I’m seeing this in the lives of others and this where we’re at right now. It’s another outpouring of the Holy Spirit and it’s going to be growing, growing and increase in Jesus Name.

Sid:     Help me out you shared on yesterday’s broadcast about 9 straight weeks of angelic visitations. By the way, how does an angel look; does it have wings, how does angels normally look to you during those 9 straight weeks?

James: You know that’s fascinating because I’ve had many different angelic visitations. Some angels do appear like in the Book of Isaiah with wings. And in Isaiah the Seraphim they have like a hand that comes out from under the wings, I’ve seen angels like that. But also the Book of Hebrews says that be careful how you entertain strangers because you could entertain angels unaware. Now in this package there going to get this amazing inspirational new message on angels aware that I’m going to be teaching and praying prayers of impartation. So this is just awesome.

Sid: Have you found that when you pray prayers of impartation people report back to you they start having a touch or they feel or they see angels?

James:   Oh absolutely, there’s definitely you see why you have experienced you have authority to give away. When you’ve gotten healed of something you have faith to release healing to others. When you’re forgiven you have faith to help other people get cleansed. When you’ve been delivered you have faith to release deliverance to others. When you’ve had angelic visitations that realm is so real to you that you have authority to give away what you have received.

Sid:   Okay you had the 9 straight weeks of angelic visitations; pull out one experience during that time, just one.

James: Yeah one of the nights there was fireballs, okay it sounds a little crazy but it’s true.

Sid: It sounds wonderful to me; go ahead.

James:   It does doesn’t it 29 of them circulating around in the ceiling of the bedroom and they were just soaring around and we would pray “Press upon us; hit us with the fire of your presence.” And then this fireball would just come down and hit us on the body and then it would like we’d be sanctified or just the fire cleansing or the fire healing or the fire empowering when it hit us. And we would just say “Send another one.”   And then it would just crash in upon us and it might just like give us more fire of His love. Then we would say “Come on Lord, we want more.” So right now where you’re at right now I just speak, “You can have more, you can have more the depth of your hunger is the length of your reach to God. So I just speak “More fire on you right now. (Laughing) the fire of His love, the fire of His power; the fire of His presence; the fire of the angelic hosts.” And we just speak upon you right now, boy I tell you this is happening right now; I can sense it in my own body; I can sense it in my heart; I can just sense it in this very room that I’m speaking from right now. The fire of the Holy Spirit, the fire of angelic activity. Why do I say fire and angels? Because in Hebrew chapter 1 verse 7:14 it says “Aren’t the angels and ministering spirits flames of fire?”

Sid:     Right.

James: “Ministering to those that inherit salvation.” So I just speak forth fire even as we had the fire in just increase of fire on the day of Pentecost something like tongues of fire had rested upon their heads. So this is all totally difficult so I just speak forth right now and fire upon all of these people here listening and they’re just going to have increase visitations, increased angelic activity, increase of healings. There’s fire right now that’s going to burn in someone’s intestines that’s going to burn colitis and burn Crohn’s disease. And that’s just a word of knowledge but I see that right now and fire is going into people’s hearts right now. And someone’s getting healed of a heart murmur right now and the finger of God the Holy Spirit is going into someone who has a hole in their heart and He’s touching them right now. Just as even we were experiencing these balls of fire I just come on it’s going to be great, just balls of fire okay. So more of the fire of God’s holy presence be released and as we’ve been experience 9 straight weeks of angelic visitations I just release upon you right now visitations from heaven. Because Jesus taught is to pray Kingdom come will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Sid: James, our time has slipped away but the devil wants you to be ignorant of the spiritual gifts; this is God’s moment for you….

SID: Now my guest tells me she gets angry because it’s the devil that is causing insomnia to stop God’s people from hearing God, seeing God so clearly in their dreams. Insomnia is a big problem.

LAURA: It is. And it’s not just God’s people that the enemy doesn’t want sleeping. Remember, Jesus can reveal himself to people, and this is happening a lot in Muslim nations right now. He can reveal himself to people in their sleep. So you know, be comforted by that. That family member that you have thinks they’re an atheist by day or they think they’re an agnostic by day. We are made of three parts in God’s image. And so there’s that portion of us that does not sleep, just like there’s that portion of God that does not sleep. Our body and our mind sleep at night, but our spirit is awake. And so that person who says by day, I’m agnostic, listen, they go to bed at night and their spirit is the Lord’s, so the enemy doesn’t want them sleeping either. Insomnia and other sleep disorders—

SID: But Laura told me, this is so exciting, is when she has friends that are non-believers, agnostics, atheists, another religion, she’s got a captive audience to pray for them while they’re sleeping, because the Bible says that God neither slumbers nor sleeps and the human neither slumbers nor sleeps. But tell me a bit about what you learned about insomnia.

LAURA: Yeah. Well there’s 40 million people in the world who struggle with insomnia, chronically, another 20 million who just have it periodically. There’s always times for each of us, maybe we can’t sleep. But yes, I believe it is attack of the enemy to come against that period of the day. Listen, the moon and the stars, and the nighttime, those were not an afterthought when the Lord created those. That is a sacred time and it is a time for you to be able to receive information from the Lord when your busy mind is turned off. And I sat next to, on a plane one time, a person who was really into Sigmund Freud, okay, and they had a lot of psychologists in their family. You know, Freud was Jewish by birth and atheist by choice.

SID: Unfortunately.

LAURA: Right. But his, can you imagine having those roots and ignoring them? But his whole take on dreams was that it was a psychological. I’m like, it’s so much more than that. We can receive in our spirit from the Lord as we sleep. So yes, the enemy does not want us to sleep and that’s the place where I get excited about praying for people.

SID: Now you actually had a dream before my staff called you, that told you what was going to happen.

LAURA: I’m so thankful. I woke up one morning, so it was a waking dream, and yes, there was a dream. And I saw a—

SID: Excuse me, what is a waking dream?

LAURA: Well it’s exactly what it sounds like. You wake up to this dream.

SID: Just as you would in the middle of the night.

LAURA: Yes. It can be in the middle of the night if that dream wakes you up.

SID: I see.

LAURA: This one was in the morning and I saw a hand. It was knocking on a door. It wasn’t my hand. It was a hand knocking on my door and that was it. Then I heard, “opportunity knocks”. So I waited. Well the morning before that I had a dream that I was big and pregnant. Okay. So I’ve had six children, so that was analogy that the Lord knew I would understand. I was expectant. You know, you’re expecting, when you’re pregnant. So I put those two together in my mind and I thought, something big is about to knock at my door. I’m full and here comes the opportunity for, you know, delivery. And hours later, we got the email from your executive producer.

SID: You know, that is exciting to have this knowledge before it happens, that it really is God knocking at your door. But also, you can have what you explained, warning dreams. Explain a little bit more.

LAURA: Can I give an example of one?

SID: Please

LAURA: Because it’s sort of self-explanatory. But I love this example. It was a warning waking dream, and waking dreams you just have a hard time shaking. I woke up one morning, it was a Sunday morning, and I saw myself standing in front of my church. My husband and I pastor in church in Nashville. And there was a huge wrecking ball, and it was coming towards the church. Now I’m standing in between, you know, it, so I see it coming at me. And I woke up, and I knew immediate danger—

SID: That’s dangerous.

LAURA: It was, it was, not just because I saw it coming to me at my church, but it was staring me in the face at a rapid beat. And so I got up, I got out of bed. I knew that the early morning prayer team, the pre-service intercessors would be there praying. And so I must have barged in there like a bull in a china closet. I gathered every elder I could find, I gathered every pastor, the music pastor, everybody. And I said, “Listen, there’s something that is about to happen. I’m not sure, but if we’ll pray with this, I believe we can thwart it.” So sure enough, that week we had two of our key families, a feud broke out between them that could have been really divisive. It could have split the church. But because we had already been praying, we had fondued the whole situation in prayer. We had gotten prepared to clear our schedules if need be. We did. We had some mediation meetings. And you know, love won. Prayer won. They—

SID: If you had not had that warning dream—

LAURA: Exactly.

SID: What would have happened?

LAURA: Exactly. Well who knows? I mean, the enemy, he was after more than just our family, he was after our church. These were two very key families. So you know, I say it’s like those DVDs that you can watch. You have the alternate ending, you can choose which ending you want. That to me is what a warning dream is about. It’s not fate, it’s not set in stone. Many people mistake them for nightmares because what they actually are is they’re information like intelligence being given to you by God to pray to change a situation.

SID: You know, a lot of people miss that. They see a warning dream and they say, oh no, something awful is going to happen. Oh no, you’re to pray so something awful doesn’t happen. Well Laura, you researched 1000 symbols, if you will, from the Bible, and when you did this, what did you find as far as opening your understanding of your dreams?

LAURA: It was so important. It was difficult to write a dictionary. I wasn’t quite sure, you know, what I was biting off at first. But I did it because I wanted people to be able to understand what they were dreaming and not to just rely on, oh my goodness, the secular websites that are out there or New Age interpreting books on symbols. I went to a secular website and dreamed or saw that if you dream about biscuits, it said you’re a woman who’s ambitious in your career. And I was like, what does that have to do with anything?

SID: Toss that stuff out. I like the biblical understanding.

LAURA: Exactly.

SID: I’ll tell you what, when we come back, I’m going to have Laura pray for you. She’s prayed for people with insomnia that have been able to sleep. She’s prayed for people that don’t remember their dreams. They start remembering their dreams. I’m going to have her pray whatever the spirit of God wants her to. Be right back.

SID: Tell me about this former prostitute.

KATHERINE: Well I was doing a series of meetings in Australia and a lady came to the meetings and she was listening to the message, but she didn’t feel worthy to come forward. I didn’t know about this until on the last night, she came forward for prayer and gave her heart to Jesus. And the Lord just did a huge work of deliverance. I was on the floor praying for her and I found out later, she wrote me a letter a few days later, to say that she had been a heroin addict and a prostitute since she was very, very young. And the next morning, she had woken up and tried to have a cigarette and choked on it, couldn’t have the cigarette. And so she brang up all her supplies and said, “Stay away from me. I’m a born-again believer now. I am, I’m a Christian. Stay away from me. I don’t need that stuff anymore.” And then went out on the street and met another heroin addict and just began to share her testimony. She said, “Guess what, I don’t even have a shake. I don’t have, I haven’t had no withdrawal symptoms. I’m free. Jesus has set me free.” And this man said, “Well you know, I’d believe that if God would heal my stomach,” because he had terrible stomach issues. And she, not even 24 hours saved, said, “Well I’ll pray for you.” And right there, she laid her hands on his belly just as she had seen me do, laid hands on his belly, and he was slain in the Spirit, fell out under the power of the Holy Ghost on the sidewalk. And when he got up—

SID: No catcher.

KATHERINE: No catcher. When he got up out of the bushes, he was speechless. He had been healed. And he reached in to his pocket, pulled out $800, gave her 500 and gave his girlfriend 300 and said, “That’s what I would have spent on heroin this week. I’m not going to need it now.”

SID: Wait until you hear about the chair in the air.

KATHERINE: Well I had a vision, actually, it was a dream. And I believe the Holy Spirit speaks to us in dreams and visions. And one day I was, the Lord had promised me that He was going to open doors to the U.K. and I had very dear friends now in the U.K, that at that stage I didn’t know anybody, and I had these prophetic words. And so in faith, I felt the Lord just tell me to pencil a couple of weeks that I would go to the U.K. But I didn’t have any invitations. I hadn’t heard anything and I wasn’t going to knock on a door. So as I got a bit closer, I started to think, oh Lord, maybe I’ve missed it. And I went to sleep that night thinking about this. And during the night I had a dream, and in the dream, I saw myself being brought into sit in this chair, and we were about to watch something wonderful unfold. And then as I was sitting there, I began to think, this is great seats. This is a great seat. And it was suspended in mid-air, until I finally started to try and figure out how I was suspended in this chair. And then I wobbled and I woke up, and I said to the Lord, “Are you trying to speak to me or was I just too hot under the covers? You know, Holy Spirit, you are the revealer of mysteries.” And then the Lord began to speak to me. He said, “Katherine, have any of these miracles happened because of you?” I said, “No Lord, you’ve done them.” And He said, “Any of the doors that have opened, have you done that?” And I said, “No Lord.” And then He said, “Well why are you worried about England?” And then that morning, my secretary came in, she looked at my calendar and went, “What’s this about the U.K.” And I said, “God’s got it.” And then that night I received an email. Someone had been watching us and on the Internet, and it was an invitation from a pastor in the U.K. He said, “We live five, six miles from where Wigglesworth used to minister. We were wondering if there was any chance that you might be able to come and release that anointing for miracles in our region. Would you have any space to do that?” And I said, “Well I’ve got this two-week gap.” And I began to understand since then God had opened it up.

SID: What did you learn from this? What would you say the bottom line is?

KATHERINE: Well you know, I really believe we’ve got to learn how to settle back in back to the strength of Jesus. I’ve been praying for people at times in meetings and feeling the anointing bounce back on me. But you know, I believe that even as that’s been happening, I thought, what do I do Lord, and heard the Holy Spirit behind me saying, “Just lean back. Lean back into me.” And as I’ve done that, suddenly the power of God has come.

SID: Would you lean back right now and pray for miracles.

KATHERINE: Absolutely. Father, I thank you for your power. I thank you Holy Spirit for your healing and anointing. Father, for everyone watching right now, Lord, I decree I thank you that you are hovering over them right now in the room, as they are listening, as they are watching. Lord, I thank you, Spirit of God, that you are touching, you’re healing cancer, you’re healing MS. Lord, you’re healing all kinds of diseases because it’s your power. Just reach out now and lay a hold of the power of the Holy Spirit as he’s touching and healing you in the precious name of Jesus. Thank you Lord for that tangible power of God touching and healing bodies right now. I thank you Spirit of God that even as they cry out to you, you are manifesting yourself as the answer, because you are the same yesterday, today and forever. And I thank you Lord that you will meet their need as they expose their vulnerability, as they expose their need in their weakness to you. I thank the rush of the Holy Spirit. You come and you touch, and you feel the need now in Jesus’ name. I look forward to hearing the testimonies.

SID: I know that that presence of God is on you. It’s in you, right now. Now for the few of you, there’s actually a lot of you that have not made Jesus your Messiah. Such a wonderful God. He died for your sins before you even knew him. Just ask him to forgive you. Believe the blood of Jesus washes away your sins. Ask him to come inside of you and be your Lord, your own words. Make that peace with God and watch how He makes His peace with you. But I tell you this, everything that Katherine said is about ready to happen to you. The healing is ready to erupt. I see ears open. I see arthritis leaving fingers right now. You are going to be a walking miracle in Jesus’ name.

SID: Next week on It’s Supernatural. My guest had nine straight weeks of visitations of angels. He was taught by Jesus on how to pray for the sick. He heard things that are going to happen shortly in the future. Anyone interested in what he’s going to teach? Me, too.

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be whole.Many people are stuck because of stronghold that have formed in their life from events there not even thinking about and they wonder why they’re stuck. But there’s nothing that they feel that they can do about so they go throughout life without having the intimacy, the friendship, they peace, the sweetness of a full relationship with God. So my guest Trisha Frost was like that, and her husband Jack Frost was like that. And Jack was a very very driven man, his father was an alcoholic, he got into after he became a believer Jack got into performance based Christianity. His wife Trish had very low self-esteem and he went to a conference and for the first time he realized that he and his family members were judging God by their relationship with their father. And he broke it in himself and then he preceded to show… just out of curiosity Trish did he come home and start teaching or did you just notice the change in him? What occurred?

Trisha: Well whenever he first came home when he walked through the door from the conference where Jack Winter… isn’t that nice of God, Jack Winter had…God had Jack Winter speak a blessing over Jack Frost.

Sid: (Laughing)

Trisha: But he came home from this conference and he was not the same person, and he walked in the door and he immediately began to sit us down and he just started saying “I’m sorry, I’m sorry that I’ve treated you this way, I’m sorry that I didn’t value you.” And there was no but attached to any of the sorry. You know there was no “I’m sorry but if you hadn’t had done this we wouldn’t be this way.” He took responsibility and ownership for his behavior; he took responsibility for all of the ways that he had wounded his family because I think for the first time he had a revelation of just how much he had wounded his family. He didn’t want that for his family any more, and so he immediately… he didn’t just come in and say “I’m sorry” that was great but then his whole behavior changed. He began to act differently, you know we didn’t have to…

Sid: You know most people think no one can change “That husband of mine, that wife of mine that’s the way they are they can’t change.” But you’re saying your husband changed.

Trisha: Given the right environment anybody can change. And Jack was placed in an environment of unconditional love and acceptance himself when Jack Winter prayed over him. He was placed in an environment that he’s never felt that kind of love and intimacy from a father. And I think all of us need, isn’t that what we’re all looking for? We’re all looking to be valued and loved especially by our fathers or and our mothers too, but especially we long to hear those words Sid “I love you son, I’m proud of you son,” and just words of blessing. So many people live by words that have been spoken over them because they’re word curses you know “You’ll never amount to anything you stupid idiot you know you can’t do that,” or all of the “I can’ts” instead of creating an environment where we we can believe in a person and we can see the potential and purpose and the destiny and then as parents begin to bless that. So when we create environments like that anybody can change.

Sid: Now I’m going to read a quote from you “Pain turns to behavioral patterns which cause us to then be pain, for those that we love.” It seems like such a viscous cycle.

Trisha: Yeah, we called our cycle of pain because what it is for us it is a cycle. Because this cycle of pain it starts with a wound somewhere in our life. Either a word curse is spoken or someone does something that just hurts and wounds us to the point that we get stuck believing a lie or word curse that we can’t. Out of that woundedness then it causes us to begin to think negatively about our self “Well maybe their right, I can’t do this or I can’t do that and so I might as well live life.” And then the next part of that cycle whenever you don’t believe in yourself and you start believing a lie about yourself and then you step into disobedience. God did not make any of us to not be successful and so we step in… we embrace the lie and we step into sin and disobedience. Well that opens up the doors for isolation, you know well I just don’t trust you enough to allow you to be a part of my life. And whenever we open up the doors for darkness and isolation, I hate to say it but then we open up the doors for demonic oppression. You know our enemy is looking for ways to just devour us, I feel like the devil has just had one mission statement and that’s to divide and conquer. So he’s constantly looking for ways to divide families and to conquer whole families and he does that through separation. “You know if I can get this person to believe that they have no value especially by their earthly parents of even their spiritual authorities in their life. Then I’ve got them, if I can convince them to believe a lie long enough that sooner or later that lie becomes a reality it’s not their truth.” But I heard it said one time that Joseph Gobel who was Hitler’s minister of propaganda he made this statement “If you can convince a person of a lie long enough they’ll believe it.” And that’s how he convinced Germany to believe the lie that Jewish people have no value.” And you saw that, I mean really it almost produced one of the greatest genocides in history ever.

Sid: But you know what’s interesting, the flip side of that is also true. “If you believe the word of God and hear it long enough and start following that you will believe the truth.” In other words, that’s the way the human body is created, we will believe what we hear long enough. So we have to make sure we hear the right thing.

Trisha: Exactly, exactly. Well how do you do that? You know people ask me all the time “Well how do I identify the word curses in my life, how do I understand what wounding is?” Well I think Jeremiah 1:10, 11 help’s us out there. Because it says “See today I have set you as rulers.” Sid I really don’t believe that people believe that they have that kind of authority. God has set us up for rulers, you know we’re joint heirs but in being set up for rulers He’s told us to go out and uproot, tear down, overthrow, and destroy all the things in our life those root issues, those ungodly beliefs so you can build and plant. So many people get a hold of the faith message build and plant you know that mouth confession is really good but when you try to just do mouth confessions on top of ungodly beliefs then it doesn’t change anything for you and then you get frustrated and you lose hope that “I’ll ever change, that I can ever have purpose and that I can ever have value.” So it’s when we go after those things you know those ungodly beliefs you know those strongholds, those habit patterns.

Sid: Now when you say stronghold what’s your definition of stronghold?

Trisha: I think a stronghold is a fortress of thought or could be a fortress of many thoughts that actually influence the way that we respond to life you know. Again it’s a habit pattern, it’s a habit. You know a habit is something that we are we or it’s an act or something that we believe so often that it takes no new decision of mind to perform the act.

Sid: Now how does the stronghold actually get to be a stronghold in our life?

Trisha: Well through word curses; you know whenever you’re told a lie it goes back to that. When you are told a lie long enough you begin to believe it, even though you know that that’s not true, that’s not your destiny, that’s not the purpose and plan of your life you begin to embrace that as truth for yourself. And then involuntarily you will begin to live from that lie thinking that that’s your truth. I see it over and over and over again. I mean I travel, mainly in North America right now but I travel at least twice a month and I do encounters and seminars. And Sid I meet people every day in these seminars that have embraced an orphan heart. You know that heart that tells them that they don’t have a right to belong. And they embrace that orphan heart mainly because they’ve not had a place to belong. They’ve not had anyone speaking into their life that they have value, that they have purpose, that they have destiny. And so they begin to believe that they don’t and believing that they don’t they live their life most of time… I hate to say subservient but just beneath their potential. And I believe it with all of my heart and I believe this. And I have been especially been living this way since Jack died I believe with all of my heart that Father God wants each and every one of us to not just be successful but to live abundantly above anything that we could dream about. And why not?

Sid: I have in my hand your bookmark which is called “I am Father God’s happy thought.” Tell me about this bookmark very quickly.

Trisha: I keep that bookmark most of the time taped to the mirror in my bathroom because I need to remind myself that Father God has happy thoughts. See we don’t believe that, we tend to view Father God the same way that we view our earthly dads. And that’s such a misrepresentation of who He really is, because He says in 1^st Corinthians that He can’t think an evil thought. And if He cannot think an evil thought about us where do we get the idea. Who’s telling us that He does, “Who’s telling us that we’re a failure that we can’t.” Because I just believe with all of my heart that if it hadn’t had been my belief of the image of who Father God really is today I never would have been able to walk through the last 7 years of Jack not being here. You know I was so afraid to do anything, especially anything on my own and Father God’s given me the courage to believe in my destiny and purpose and the plans that He has for me. But Sid it has not come without a cost.

Sid: I’ll tell you what out of time right now.