SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Tony Kemp. And we’re talking about an amazing end time move for the devil. It is one of the major heresies to ever hit the church, and it’s spreading throughout Christian television and Christian radio, and books and conferences. It’s called the counterfeit grace message. Now Tony, people would say, wait a second, Tony, you’re saved by grace, not by works. What are you talking about?

TONY: Well here’s what I would say. I would say that grace is the influence of God in my life, the presence of God in my life and the power of God in my life. And grace produces genuine repentance. Where I bring to Jesus the fruit of repentance, grace produces right living everyday, and grace produces intimacy with the person of Jesus and with God the Father.

SID: I like that kind of grace.

TONY: Amen. Amen. Grace is powerful. Grace causes people to be safe from their sins, delivered from darkness. Grace causes people to walk in holiness, causes God to enjoy his sons and daughters, and grace enables you to enjoy God like never before.

SID: What would you say to someone that says, but wait a second, Tony, you can’t get away from God’s grace.

TONY: I would say this. I would say that the Word of God says that you can fall from grace. And the apostle Paul said in Galatians 1, he said, “I marvel that you are so removed from him who called you into the grace of the Messiah. And talked about it to those Galatian believers who decided to backslide, and he actually makes this phrase. He said, “You have fallen from grace.” Now listen, Sid, I’m going to listen to the apostle Paul. I’m going to listen to Jesus who told people that they had to obey him to the end.

SID: Well listen, these false teachers use the scripture. There’s no condemnation. They say, let’s just preach love. That’s the only way people will come to know Jesus. Let’s get this condemnation business gone. In fact, God says there’s no condemnation in Messiah Jesus.

TONY: Well let’s talk about love. Because in the Book of Revelation, Chapter 3, Jesus addresses the church in [unintelligible]. And this is what he says: “As many as I love, I rebuke and correct.” He said, “[unintelligible] and turn from sin.” That’s my first response. Here’s my second response. Jesus, because he loves us, Jesus represents the Father. What father has a son or daughter that he doesn’t correct or chasten, or bring into character development. And so when we receive the correction of God we receive the direction of God, and we come into character development with just holiness.

SID: Okay. But the scripture actually says, Tony, there’s no condemnation for those that are [unintelligible].

TONY: Romans 8:1 says this: “There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus who do not walk after the flesh, but walk after the spirit. For the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set me free from the law of sin and death.”

SID: So they leave the last part of the verse out.

TONY: And that’s what makes it a counterfeit message, because God sent his son to condemn sin and the flesh. And when I surrender to his son Jesus, the righteousness of the teaching, the instruction, the law fulfilled in me as I walk in and by the power of the spirit.

SID: You had a vision, multiple visions of the Lake of Fire, of Hell. Tell me what you saw.

TONY: Well it all began in 1989, where I had an out of body experience. An angel came to me and I was taken to Heaven. But as I was on my way to Heaven, I saw the souls of those that were departing Earth, and they went into a portal toward the Lake of Fire. Later on in the mid to late 1990s, I had two visions. And I saw the Lake of Fire, fire, brimstone. And then God Almighty took me up close to one individual who was hanging in the fire and suffering, tormented because of disobedience and rebellion to the Word of God, and because they did not live for Jesus the Messiah.

SID: Hell is real to you.

TONY: It’s real.

SID: Hell is real. And I’ll tell you what concerns me the most, you know, Tony, and audience, what concerns me the most is people that are in sin that aren’t concerned about the sin that they’re in. I mean, I talked to someone recently that is a homosexual, and this person didn’t seem to be bothered one iota. Do you know why she wasn’t bothered? She is this close to having her conscience seared. And once your conscience is seared you cannot be convicted of sin by the Holy Spirit. The counterfeit grace message says that the Holy Spirit doesn’t convict you of sin under the New Covenant. You just don’t know the Bible. I’m concerned about you that are involved in the sin of pornography. I’m concerned about you that are involved in the sin of drugs and addiction. I’m concerned about you that are having sex outside of marriage. I’m concerned about you that are involved in the new age. Do you know how close you are to having your conscience so singed, so seared that you won’t be able to repent. But you would not watching this show right now if you had crossed the line. Repent. The Kingdom of God is now. Repentance means turn from your sin, believe that the blood of Jesus washes you away when you repent, and turn to God for the power to be free. The Messiah says, “You shall know the truth.” He’s a person. His name is Jesus. “You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.” Choose life. You do not know when your end will come. As smart as you are, you do not know when your end will come, and I don’t want to see your conscience seared so you can’t repent. It will never be easier than this moment, never easier than this second. Make your peace with God right now in Jesus’ name.