Sid: My guest is Pastor Shane Warren, Pastor of First Assembly of God in West Monroe, Louisiana. He had a visitation to heaven, and he’s been commissions to teach others to be able to do, and as he teaches, and that why we’re making His book secret’s of the well and his three CD series living in the throne room available to you. As he teaches people have these breakthroughs in their life. I think it’s amazing the chapter in your book about the warfare of worship, the revelation you got, if you would teach on that today.
Shane: Sure, you know in the book of Exodus Chapter 32 Moses is on the mountain with God. Aaron is down in the valley and there’s a golden calf being made; Joshua’s half way up the mountain and God tells Moses to come down off the mountain. He gets to where Joshua’s at and Joshua says to Moses, and this is very key, and He says, “There’s a noise of war that is in the camp.” Well, what were they doing in the camp Sid? They were worshipping a golden calf and by the way the word worship there means to kiss as mouth to mouth or to lick like a dog would lap or lick the hand of its master.
Sid: They got as low as a human people group could get!
Shane: Absolutely, they had resolved to this idol worship and what was bad was that they were calling the idol by the name of Jehovah. That’s another whole another message in its self. But the thing that’s key is Joshua said, “There is sound of warfare in the camp.” Well, they were worshipping, which tells us that worship to the spirit realm sounds like warfare. Moses stops and says, he listens for a moment and he puts his hand over his ears and is in Exodus chapter 32 about 16-17, he puts his hands over his ears and says, “No, it’s not the sound of those who shout because they got the victory, nor the sound of those who shout because they need the victory, it’s just simply the sound of singing that I hear.” In other words Moses was able to discern because he had been in the glory, he was able to discern that this wasn’t true worship, that it was just simply lip service, and that is was worship was kissing. By the way what was it, what was the way that Judas betrayed Jesus? He betrayed Jesus with a kiss of worship; Judas comes from the name Judah, Judah means praise, Judas was named because he was probably an unusual praiser; he carried according to John chapter 12 he carried a bag on his hip. The Bible says he kept Jesus money in that bag, but there’s several different words for bags just like a woman has purse, then there’s man bags and then their brief cases or satchels. There’s different words in the Greek for bags; well the word that’s used there is the Greek word noscoman. The noscoman was a bag that only one person in Israel carried, it was a musician, it’s called a tongue bag and he would put his reeds in it. So what Judas had done is he had traded or merchandised his anointing of worship and betrayed Jesus with the very thing that he was created to do.
Sid: You know it reminds me that there is a teaching going around about merchandising the anointing, isn’t that the same thing?
Shane: Yeah, it’s very similar; I hadn’t heard that, I hadn’t heard anyone else teach on that subject to the extent that I’m talking about in the context of worship. But back to this thing of warfare, your listeners and all of us don’t realize how close to break though than we are because when we worship we put forth the sound of warfare. When a person worships I want you to realize that every principality and these were the things that I saw in the Spirit. There are spirits, chief spirits that are over territories and regions and cities. These spirits descend on places when they hear the sound of worship because worship to the spirit realm is the sound of warfare. Not only that, angels ascend and descend on those waves of worship, proof of that is 1st Corinthians chapter 11. Paul was talking about the culture setting of the Corinthian church, he said “A woman needs to cover her head,” and he said “When she comes to church may a woman cover her head and he said, because of the angels.” Well, he’s speaking about a church service there, he said, “When you come to church everybody needs to be careful how they conduct themselves because you’re not just coming to church; there’s a whole spirit realm that becomes active and angels show up in the church service. And they’re there to do bidding. The Bible says “Angels are sent forth to minister on behalf of those that have been born again, those of us who are righteous.” And so when angels come to a church service they’re coming with your breakthrough in their hand. And it doesn’t even have to be a church service, I want to be clear here, that when you worship God angels come into your room where you’re at, they come into your house if it’s in your house, in your office, if it’s at your work, angels ascend and descend in that place. And also there are wicked angels that are involved as well, wicked spirits that are involved as well that are trying to stop the breakthroughs and the miracles from happening. But what I saw was that when we begin to worship God showed me the atmosphere was like it was warfare, warfare atmosphere. In the prophets it says “He teaches my fingers to do battle, and my hands to make war.” The believer through the power of worship can win more battles by simply snapping his finger, if they knew the power of worship they could snap their finger and worship and win every battle that comes against their life.
Sid: Describe to me what might be happening as believers in your congregation are worshipping corporately, what could be going on in the spirit world?
Shane: Use your sanctified imagination and tell me what could be going on.
Sid: Well, here’s the thing, I don’t have to use my imagination this is what the Lord showed me and I write about it in my book, this is what he showed me. He showed me these angels coming into the worship service and they had our miracles and our breakthroughs in their hands, but they’re not the only ones coming. Hebrews chapter 2 verse 10, 11 tells us that “Both he who sanctifies and those that sanctifies are all one; He is not ashamed to call us His brethren.” And that’s talking about Jesus and us. And the Bible says in verse number 11 that “He will declare the names of God to His brethren in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.” The context there is Jesus talking so the Bible doesn’t just say the angels are coming to our church service, the Bible says Jesus Himself is somehow visiting our services and coming into the services and joining us in our worship setting. And that was the most profound thing I ever saw in the word of God and as people begin to worship the Bible says in John chapter 4, and this is the reason I call my book “The Secrets of the Well.” In John chapter 4 Jesus is giving these secrets to this woman at the well whose life is in a mess, she has had five husbands, she now in a relationship with another man she’s not married to, she’s at the well in the middle of the day, her life is a total disgrace, and Jesus sets down with her and He picks this woman to give the most profound revelation of worship in the new testament to a woman whose life is in a mess. Why did He do that? Because He knows the keys to break though for her life and for our life is to discover the power of intimacy with God, that when a person discovers the power of intimacy with God miracles begin to happen and the Lord turns our lives right side up. And the Bible say, here’s what Jesus said to that woman, He said, “The Father seeketh such to worship him.” The Lord is on a hunt for those that are worshippers and I didn’t say those who do worship, because worship is something you do, but a worshipper is who you are. The Lord is on a hunt for true worshippers, so when the Lord shows up in our church services and with these angels he is looking for somebody, He is not looking for everybody, He’s looking for worshippers. And according to Hebrew’s chapter 2 verse 11, He walks around and declares the names, the redemptive names of God in the ears of those who are worshippers. So what happens is he walks up to somebody that’s say is setting in a church service, and their truely worshipping God and they are sick in their body, and He walks up to them, and at some point during the worship service He whispers in their spiritual ear he says “He’s Jehovah Ropha, He’s the Lord that healeth thee.” And when He says that there’s healings that take place, there’s miracles that take place. Sid that just happened in a church in Pineville, Louisiana. I was walking around teaching this revelation and I walked up to a man through a word of knowledge and I said, “Let’s just say that Jesus were to walk up to you tonight and you’re dealing with sickness in your body and He says “He’s Jehovah Ropha, the Lord who heals you and I whispered that in his ear and immediately I did not know, but I knew that the man had received a touch from the Lord and I told him “God has just done something for you.” This man’s kidney’s were in failure and he was going to the doctor because of kidney failure, he went to the doctor the next week his kidney’s had completely reversed because Jesus had walked up to him. Listen, the Lord means what He says when He says in the midst of two or three I’m there, the Lord comes down and He ministers and these angels do ministry. You know I’m not into worshipping angels at all, but I’m telling you we under estimate the power of angelic ministry.
Sid: You know I was really intrigued by your chapter in your book that talks about what the devil knows about worship, and what the devil doesn’t want us to know. When we know, when we really know the revelation in this book you say that there’s no obstacle in life that is impossible, no war you cannot win.
Shane: You’re right. Listen, satin according to Ezekiel 28 was a worshipping being, he was created for worship, the Bible says he had three different sets of instruments in his body, a percussion instruments, woodwind instruments, and strings instruments according to Isaiah there, but he was a worship being. Listen he knows, the Bible says he walks up in down, he walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire in a pre-fallen state. He knows how worship affects the Father; he know how worship affects the spirit realm; he knows how worship affects the angels.
