Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Chuck Missler.  Chuck is a Naval Academy graduate, Branch Chief of Department of Guided Missiles, CEO of six public companies, has been known as a tremendous Bible teacher affiliated and taught the Bible at Calvary Chapel at Costa Mesa, California.  And when I heard he was getting involved in the subject of UFO’s I’ve always thought Chuck, that this is a hoax, but you have two CDs called “Returned of the Nephilim” in which you have done investigative reporting.  Excellent I might add investigative reporting, that where is there is a lot of hoaxes involved in the UFO industry there’s a lot of evidence that causes us to believe something is going on.  But then you teach on the Bible areas I’ve never heard taught before and I believe that you have vital information that has been missing; it’s almost been covered up.  Give us some evidence that you have found to cause those that feel that it’s just fringe people and a fringe area with this UFO’s that it’s real.

Chuck: Well, that kind of skepticism is very well placed because there is probably no other area that I know of that is more crowded with nonsense, with deliberate hoaxes, contrived photographs, stories that don’t check out by the thousands, by the way.  So any one that tries to jump into this area to do some research has a very daunting task to cut through all of this.  But the thing is as you do if you take the effort to get into it, you suddenly discover that despite the abundance of nonsense that also pervades the area and strange publications and I won’t go down all of those things.  In all of that though, what emerges are legitimate examples; first of all thirteen of our astronauts have publically confirmed sightings on their missions and so forth and you know clouding their own credibility it would seem they risk that as astronauts collaborating this kind of stuff.  And the reason one of things that makes it so difficult is the phenomenology that one encounters even in the legitimate you know, collaborate a stories are bizarre because on the one hand they leave physical evidence; radioactivity on the ground or burnt ground or other indications of actually having been there and they also show up on multiple radars simultaneously.  Now radars don’t have you know hallucinations so that’s on the one hand demonstrates that they actually are physical phenomena on the one hand.  On the other hand, they behave in ways that are physically impossible.  They go faster than the speed of sound without sonic booms; they make right angle turns at enormous speeds that don’t make sense from any kind of inertia.

Sid: Now we know this from our radar tracking?

Chuck: Yes, oh yes from collaborated accounts and so and they also seem to have the ability to materialize and dematerialize.  Now the two most respected researchers in history was J. Allen Heineck of the American and Jacque Volley the Frenchman.  These two guys that were very proliferate writers and really researched this all the way through you know the late forties fifties and so forth.  They both past away since by the way, but they did a lot of serious research, they both of them independently came to the conclusion that:  a. these things are not intergalactic as some people like to image them for some good reasons.  They believe that they were hyper-dimensional, comeback to that issue in a minute. The second thing is that they also felt that these things are deliberately deceptive and so to someone that is really trying to research those things are very critical…

Sid: So you believe that there is a miss information campaign so that most people will think that these are hoaxes.

Chuck: Exactly right, and that is the other thing that comes about on top of the hoaxes there’s also government interference in a number of cases, many, many cases where the government will step in and either and cloud the issue with misinformation in an attempt to cloud.  The most famous example of that in the US is the Roswell incident in England they have their Rendlesham Forest incident; another place where the government gets in and goes at a great lengths to hide what really happened and generates stories that are preposterous to discredit the people that are trying to find out what’s going on.  So the government interference is repetitive and in many ways; there’s an area now this gets into a little sophication there; but there’s an area in intelligence called disinformation.  One of the ways that you can hide something is to create information about it that is fundamentally spurious when that information is discredited it tends to discredit; it’s another way of hiding the reality and that disinformation techniques are widely used within the intelligence world and that’s exactly part of which is going on in the UFO area.  So the only reason I got into this because I discovered much to my amazement is that some of these issues are very fundamental in understanding certain passages in the Bible.  And so that’s when we started me and my associates, Mark Eastman and others and we really rolled up our sleeves, due to get into this area.  But our primary goal was to try to understand what the Bible perspectives were about this area and the disinformation and the difficulties was in researching this area is very tough with because of not just the hoaxes, but the fact that there’s deliberate efforts with people with substantial resources trying to hide the area.

Sid: I think that it’s absolutely amazing the documentation that you’ve put into these two CD’s were making available “The Return of the Nephilim.”  But do you believe that these are aliens from other planets or do you believe conclusively that these are demons?

Chuck: I personally, the conclusive is probably pretty strong one, but I personally conclude, let’s put it that way, that first of all that they are not aliens from other planets.  Now there’s a number of reasons why most serious researcher in this area tend to disregard that for some other physics reasons.  But the main point is I do think that they are demonic.  I think that they have an agenda and I think that when you look at these things through Biblically oriented glasses so to speak they have an agenda and its one of deceit and confusion.

Sid: But well, if I can take that one step further, could you give me some sanctified speculation as to what their agenda really is?

Chuck: Well, that’s probably a little hard, but I can tell you this, Jesus seemed to indicate that this kind of activity will increase prior to His second coming.  He when He gave a confidential briefing to four of His disciples He indicated that “As the days of Noah were, so shall the coming of the Son of man be.”  So to understand His remarks one has to really dig in and understand what really happened to bring about the flood of Noah?  And whatever that was apparently is going to be a major factor as we get closer and closer to His second coming.  And that was one of the reasons we put the effort into wanting to understand that is from the Biblical point of view is because it is in effect not just an important historical foundation to the Old Testament, which it turns out to be by the way, but also it’s a clue into what to expect.  And I think that these are going to be part of a major deception that will come upon the mankind.

Sid: You know my mind is just going a million miles an hour as I start seeing your Bible Study and seeing your Documentary evidence, it’s almost as if it’s a high bred race walking around.  You know parable of the tares and the wheat and you can’t tell the difference until the judgment.  Could there be a descendents of this high bred race among us?

Chuck: Well, Daniel seems to speak about that; in Daniel Chapter 2, He talks about, I remember the different metals the gold, the silver, the bronze, and the iron mixed with clay?

Sid: Right.

Chuck: He goes on to explain the clay, “He says as for the miry clay, they turns to a personal pronoun; they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men,” as in Verse 43 of Daniel 2.  Well for the grammar requires that they in order to mingle with the seed of men, but they must be something other than the seed of men or you cannot mingle.  You see in other words it implies two separate things the things that are being comingled.  Well, the they there is the suggestion that whatever the they are, they are not the seed of men, and so there’s a hint, just a hint but it’s almost required by the grammar that there is some kind of creatures that are being introduced that are going to contaminate or mingle or make less pure.  It seems to be an echo of this high bred thing that Genesis six talks about.  And that’s one of the reasons that I think this area from a Bible point of view needs to be understood, because it turns out the more you get into this, it’s an essential foundational understanding to really understand what else is going on in the Old Testament.

Sid: It really helps you put it altogether; it’s just hard for me to believe that I have never heard anyone talk on this before the way you present it in your two CDs.

Chuck: Well, I think that that’s one of the tragedies of our seminary system, because in the seminaries you would think that they would have an obligation to present the alternative views of some of these controversial issues and then justify the one that they favor.  But they don’t do that though, they present just the one side and you generally, only rarely do you run into what’s called the Angel View of Genesis 6.  They sell a thing called the Sethite View of Genesis 6, which is a way to try to cover this all up.  And we’ve gotten a lot of correspondence from people that are seminary graduates that are presently executives in the publishing world or whatever, that they express they’re upset with their own back ground because when they went through their graduate schools and so forth they weren’t ever taught the Angels View.  And yet if you do the homework; if you dig into the literature you’ll discover that is the traditional view.  That was the view of the early church, the Angel View that is; it is also the view of a substantial number of modern commentators too.  This not a fringe thing within the Biblical Fundamental Community; it is a controversial view.  Different people have different views, but at the same time the Angel View carries the implementer of some of the most conservative of the, you know the expositional scholars in the publishing world.

Sid: You know you have some of the most amazing statistics of about these abductions and UFOs of what; I want to get into that on tomorrow’s broadcast.

Sid: This is the time we need to see that glory, and that’s why I’m spot lighting some amazing gifts of the Spirit through human vessels and I have on the telephone Denny Cramer who functions and as New Covenant Prophet.  He’s prophesied over thousands and thousands of people for over thirty-three years and he’s learned a lot, but he’s still learning.  And at the start of the year, the Holy Spirit came on him and he was given ten words for the year.  Denny quickly you shared two of them.  Share the other eight and briefly what each one means.

Denny: The third word for the year was filters.  And the Lord said to me, “As each believer walks in obedience, which was the first word, that all negative hearing filters, that is blockages, hindrances, and restrictions that affect our hearing the voice of God were going to be removed.  He said, to me…

Sid: I’ll take that; I’ll grab it right now!  Ha-ha.

Denny: You’re doing what we got to do, we got to grab this.  He said, perfect prophetic perception or hearing, PPP.  Perfect prophetic, perception is going to be restored to the Church.  A spirit of deafness is going to come off the Bride and I heard the Church declare, I can hear again.  So that was the third word.  The fourth word was honor.  The Lord said that it was the year to give honor.  This means that Churches need to increase the honor that they are showing their leaders.  The Bible says, “Honor to whom it is do and the Lord said that has been acute shortage being bestowed in the Church.  In fact in our culture we’re not real good at understanding this, but in the Bible culture, honor was a big deal.  So for 2010 the Lord said, “Tell everybody, to pay their debt of Honor, pay up says the Lord, He said that we need to begin to honor those who over the years have left us in ministry.  Not to get something from them, even if you got to go back thirty-years and bless someone that blessed you thirty years ago, honor to who honor is do.  The next word is wisdom.  And this verse is so exciting to me; I want to preach it at every church service.  He said, “The wisdom of God is going to be heard and seen in and through the Church as never before; the verse is Ephesians 3:10.

Sid: So that’s going to cause the world go come after us.

Denny: Absolutely.

Sid: Because they’re going to have the opposite.

Denny: Listen to this, He said, “The Church is going to be the place to be in 2010.  The Church is going to be the happening place; the verse the Bible says “It is God’s intention that right now His wisdom is going to be made known in and through the church to all heavenly and even demonic principalities and powers.  So the Lord said to me “You don’t want to get – join Mensa, you don’t want to become a Fortune 500 Corporate Executive, you don’t want to become a Joint Chief of Staff.  What you want to do is get into the Church because it’s going to be through the Church that the wisdom of God is going to be made known and there is going to be a little expression this year, you heard it here first, where?  In the Church.  The next word is creative.  God showed me that Apostles and Prophets were going to unleash borage of prophetic creative declarations over Churches.  These won’t be sermons or teachings, but they will be literal creative declarations from Heaven literal awakening word that will have a life giving dimension to them so that when apostles and prophets do their job and leave the church and go on to the next church, they will literally have changed the atmosphere of the church.  And the Lord even kind of scared me He said, “Apostles and prophets for 2010 will operate and express more revelation in their ministry than over the last ten years combined.  So it’s going to be a year of great creativity for apostles and prophets.  Number 7 was media and I’m just going to read it the way the Lord gave it to me; for 2010 we are take the media back from the world.  Any Christian ministry that has an opportunity to get on the radio or TV needs to do it now says the Lord.  Number 8 was fear; the Lord said “The Church needs to repent of the sin of fear, it’s an epidemic in the Church and the Lord wants us to go from fearful to fearless because the devil has used fear as his number 1 strategy to paralyze the Church and its working.  Number 9 -holiness.  It is time for the church to clean up her act.  He verse that God gave me was, “There is a filthiness of the flesh and a filthiness of the spirit and this must be eradicated from the Church.  Now number 10 was dream; and He said, “For 2010 it will be a year where all believers’s will begin to see a dramatic increase of spiritual dreams that they will experience.  Seventy-five percent will be warnings.  So the Holy Spirit says take heed to your dreams.

Sid: Now with me personally, I have had dreams that are literal but most of my dreams are symbolic and to be candid with you I’m not sure of what they mean and so I usually just ignore them because I don’t really interpret them to my satisfaction.  Do you believe that there will be more literal dreams?

Denny: I do, yeah, I think about the four dreams surrounded the birth of Jesus Christ.  These were literal warnings that they heeded that protected the Son of God upon His birth, Yes I believe that many times dreams can be literal especially the one that are warning.

Sid: Now when you have prophetic words, I imagine that there’s a lot of times that you don’t understand what you’re saying, but the person receiving them know exactly what you’re saying.  For instance you had a word once for someone, “Don’t give your ticket away.  I bet you had difficulty giving that word.

Denny: Not only did I have difficulty giving it, but when I was done I said, that’s the stupidest prophecy I have ever heard and I’m the one that gave it.

Sid: Well, what did it mean to the person that got it?

Denny: Well, I stood this just little cute as a button little twenty-five year old blond up in my meeting looking like my daughter and I said, to her publically Sid, “The Lord would say, because I had a vision, and I saw a train, and I saws a conductor and I saw a train station.  And I saw this train pulling up.  And in a vision I saw this, so I said, I’m going to describe what I see.  The right train is coming, until the right train comes don’t give your ticket away.  So the Lord would say that when the right train does come along that’s when you give your ticket away.  Don’t do it, don’t do it, don’t do it till the right train get here says the Lord.  Do not give your ticket away.  Sid I had absolutely no idea, what it meant I was begging the Holy Spirit for an interpretation when I done giving it the church didn’t know what it meant, I didn’t know what it meant, I’m sure the little girl didn’t know what it meant.  After the meeting she walks up I’m suppose to tell you what my Dad told me to tell you.  I said, “Well, who are you? I’m the lady that you just said, “Don’t give your ticket away.”  I went, “Oh, yeah.  Does that mean anything to you?”  Absolutely, three nights ago I was at my boyfriend house, Nathan’s a believer, I’m a believer.  We were sitting on the couch watching TV.  Here’s the phone call that my Dad and I had, he calls me around 11:15.  I pick up the phone, “Oh hi Dad.”  “Hi, sweetheart, how are you doing sweetheart?”  “Doing good Dad,”  “Well, sweetheart, do you still have your ticket?”  “Yeah, I do Dad, I have it right here in my purse.”  “Okay, honey we agreed that you wouldn’t give your ticket away right.”  “Yes, Dad I still have it don’t worry.”  “Okay honey, just remember don’t give your ticket away.”   And I said, “Young lady what are you telling me?” She said, “You prophesied the secret code language that my Father and I devised that I would remain sexually pure until I got married.”  My Dad couldn’t call me on the phone and say honey, are you being sexually pure tonight?  He couldn’t call me on the phone and say honey, and say “Honey are you still a virgin?”  So we devised a secret code which was, “Don’t give your ticket away,” which was a symbolic code language meaning are you behaving yourself with your boyfriend Nathan?  So she said, you prophesied the secret code language just between my Dad and me.

Sid: Now, out of curiosity, do you ever prophesy healing for people and they get healed?

Denny: Hundreds of times, in fact I’ve had a history of doing just that; I’ll have a word or knowledge that will reveal the need for the healing and then the healing gift kicks in.  Yes I have.

Sid: And have you ever had prophetic words of what’s blocking the healing?

Denny: Precisely.  If it’s a spirit I know the spirit of infirmity that’s causing it and I often will see over people these spirit in action and I will address the spirit and then prophecy healing and then they get healed.

Sid: How about something of people that want to have children and can’t have children.

Denny: As a matter my greatest healing gift is in the area of barrenness.  I have literally hundreds of testimonies around the world from barren couples who could not conceive where it was revealed to me that a spirit of barrenness.

Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here with Shira Sorko-Ram. She’s reporting to us from Jerusalem, Israel. Shira, what is the feeling like of the average Israeli with the threat of Iran, all the missiles, everything? What is like to live in Israel being pressed from almost every side?

Shira: Well obviously the two greatest pressures against the Israelis is, number one, Iran, which is, as I said before, acting just like Hitler did with his mouth, and secondly, the United Nations.

Sid: Why is the United Nations so against Israel?

Shira: It is so simple to tell you. There’s around 50 Arab nations in the Arab League. That’s not exactly the number, but around 50, and so that’s out of close to around 200 member nations. And then you have another 70 or 80 nations that are either partly or wholly Islamic. And so the United Nations is simply dominated by Islam. And so whatever the oil countries, whatever they direct, these other nations move with them.

Sid: Speaking of the United Nations passing a resolution, what do you think about the reports that this September, the United Nations might declare a Palestinian state without Israel’s consent or working out any peace arrangements?

Shira: Israel has asked the Palestinian authorities and said, look, just recognize our nation that we have a right to exist as Jewish nation, just like you have a right to exist all these other nations around that are Arab nations, Islamic nations. Let us have one nation and recognize us, and secondly, agree to stop your terrorism against us. That’s what Israel is asking. Now the Palestinians say, no, we’re not gonna do that. We’re not gonna recognize and we want all of our Palestinian, several million refugees, so called, and that’s a whole other tale. We want them to come back to Israel, which means, of course, that it wouldn’t be a Jewish state any more. And so Israel has been going, ever since I’ve been in this country, this is what has been the conflict. And so now the Palestinians are saying, hey, we’re not gonna agree to that. And so we just decided we’re going declare our own state, period. And if the United Nations agrees and all the other nations agree then we have our own state. That is what is coming up in September.

Sid: Briefly, what could you foresee happening to the United States if they do not veto this and go along with the resolution to declare a Palestinian state?

Shira: Yeah. Well that means that they’re dividing up the nation and that’s what Joel, the prophet Joel said that God was going to come against these nations because they are dividing up the land. You can’t do it because God gave this tiny little wisp of a nation to the Jewish people. Now God loves the Arab people. He’s given them, I think it’s, how much is it, 562 times more land than He gave to Israel. But the Arabs want that next little piece of land. But it’s not going to happen. Israel is going to be here. God’s going to keep His promise, and the nations that come against Israel will see tragedy coming to them.

Sid: Last question, Shira. Will there be a revival among Jewish people before the Rapture? Many Christians say, let’s not share with the Jewish people because after the Rapture they’ll get saved. What do you think?

Shira: That is horrible, horrible way to think, because even if that were true, which I don’t see it that way, every Jewish person that dies without having salvation, he’s lost, just like anybody else. Look, the Bible says, Yeshua said, look, to the Pharisees, to these unbelieving Pharisees, “You’ll not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'” That means somebody who’s accepting the Messiah. In the Book of Acts, Peter is talking to the people there and he says, “Believe on the Lord, Yeshua, and when you do, all of these things are going to be fulfilled and then the Lord will send the Messiah back.”

Sid: I see a great Jewish revival that’s about ready to happen in Joel, too. What do you see there?

Shira: I believe it. I believe that there’s going to be a revival and they’re going to be here. And when Yeshua comes back to this earth, they’re going to say, “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.” Yes, there’s going to be many, many Jewish saved people who are waiting for Yeshua to come back.

Sid: What’s the climate among Jewish people right now, young Jewish people in Israel?

Shira: I think they’re looking. They’re looking and as we get stronger and have more opportunities to get the Good News out by ways that we don’t have at our disposal: television, Internet, media, they’ll have a chance to hear, and I believe they’re going to really receive. I know when I talk to individuals they’re very open to me.

Sid: Shira, thank you for so much for being my guest on It’s Supernatural.

Shira: Thank you, Sid.

Sid: And thank you for listening to us. You don’t realize how prophetic this show has been. You know in Obadiah 1:15, it says, “If you have done unto Israel, it will be done unto you.” And in Joel, Chapter 3, it’s been pointed out, “There will judgment on the nations for one specific sin, dividing up my plan.” Well all this is going on. You see how End Times are speeding up. I wish more people would understand God’s law of evangelism. When God wanted to reach the world, He went to who? The Jew, Abraham. When Jesus wanted to reach the whole world, who did he go to? He said, “I got only to the lost sheep of the House of Israel.” When Paul wanted to reach the whole world, who did he go to? He said, in Romans 1:16, “I go to the Jew first.” That is God’s strategy. By going to the Jew first, it opens up a supernatural door of evangelism for gentiles beyond anything the world has ever seen. This is God’s method. Amos, Chapter 9, it says, “When the Tabernacle of David is restored,” and the word “Tabernacle” in Hebrew means “house”. When our family, when the family of David is restored the Jewish people will be the greatest gentile revival in history. Get it right, folks. It’s going on, I hope, right now.

Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here with Shira Sorko Ram reporting to us from Jerusalem. And Shira, I have to find out from you, what is your spin on what’s going on in Egypt? What’s going with the young people in their protests throughout the entire Middle East? I don’t think there’s ever been a time in the history of the world that there’s been so many protests going on in the Middle East like this.

Shira: Absolutely. You know, I would love to think that the Arab people were going to go into a democratic style government. But because Islam is so strong in these nations, I just read polls today about Egypt. Way over a majority of Egyptians want their government to break the agreement, the peace treaty with Israel. The people don’t want Israel here. And so in a democracy what’s going to happen is the Islamics, which are in the majority in Egypt, are going to take over. And it is a tragedy because Islam is a spirit that hates the Arab people as much as anybody else, you know. It’s a spirit of death. And wherever Islam is there’s death of their own people, first of all and then of course their desire to destroy Israel and the western nations.

Sid: Shira, politically, a group called the Muslim Brotherhood is getting a lot of good press in the United States. But who is the Muslim Brotherhood and why is it bad for the world that they’re literally, it looks like they’re going to be taking over a lot of these countries?

Shira: Well let me explain it this way. The difference between the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda is that Al Qaeda kind of comes out with its guns smoking and they want to take over by violence. The Brotherhood says, look, we can have the same goals, but we’ll do it through elections. And but their goal is just Al Qaeda, to have a worldwide Caliphate.

Sid: There is an increasing anti-Semitism worldwide, even some compare it to what it was during Hitler. We’ve never seen such ferocious anti-Semitism worldwide. Why is this going on at this time?

Shira: Well I think that, again, Islam, wherever it goes is carrying on the theology of Hitler. And so because you have so many Islamics now in Europe and they’re pushing this agenda of anti-Semitism, that it is spreading. It is definitely spreading. And Ahmadinejad in Iran is saying exactly the same things a Hitler did. Back in Hitler’s day, people didn’t believe him. Today, they do not believe the Iranian president.

Sid: At the same time, Shira, and it’s so amazing to me, Israel is prospering like almost no country I know. The shekel, compared to the U.S. dollar is so much better. What’s going on in your real estate, your pricing me out of being able to buy a home, in the high tech industry. How could this all be going on with the whole world doing so many horrible things to Israel?

Shira: It’s crazy. It is absolutely crazy. But you’re right. You know, this little start-up nation is creating and creating, and creating. It’s obviously the blessing of God.

Sid: Question. Who owns the Land of Israel?

Shira: The Bible says it is His land, with a capital “H”. And so God is going to keep His promises. He’s always kept His promises, and there is no nation that is going to destroy this nation. However, the nations that come against Israel will ultimately be destroyed. I know that sounds terrible. I know it’s hard to believe and I don’t even like saying it. But that’s what the Bible says. When I see what’s happening, the wars and rumors of wars and the killings all over the earth, yeah, it’s gonna happen. And more and more nations that come against Israel are going to, themselves, have disaster happen to them.

Sid: Shira, what about the pawns, if you will, of this situation, the Palestinians? What can be done with them?

Shira: You know, Sid, there is no political solution, absolutely no political solution. The only solution is Yeshua, the Messiah. When the Arab people find God and receive the Messiah, believe the Bible, they love the Jewish people. We have friends among the Arabs who are so strong in favor of Israel. They say, one preacher says, “I’m a Ruth congregation. I have become a part of the inheritance of Israel.” That’s the only solution. So even the Israeli government realizes that. And they encourage missionary work among the Arabs. I can tell you right now that in the Palestinian areas there are groups of Muslims who have come to believe in the Messiah. Of course, if it were known they would be killed themselves.

Sid: Shira, we’re going to have to take a break right now. But when we come back, we’re going to discuss what is going to happen in the United States of America this September. You must hear this. Please do not go away. Be right back.