SID: What’s wrong with that, I know what’s wrong, but in other words, what is wrong with Star Wars and all of these movies, I mean it’s almost a cult group, they collect everything, I mean its good versus evil, give me a break.

BOB: It’s not, it’s not, it’s not good versus evil. The Bible tells us in Romans to overcome evil with good, but what is the definition of good? In Star Wars, and in occultism, such as Daoism, good is merely the flip side of evil. Much of this stuff comes out of the teaching that good and evil are harmonizing opposites that must live in equilibrium. The Bible says Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil; we are to eradicate evil not figure out how to live with it, so in Star Wars the power that is used by Luke Skywalker or Darth Vader is the same power, it just depends on who is using it, it is all in the mind. It is not in the mind, it is in the moral prerequisites set down by God. Not, you don’t choose what is good and evil, God tells you in the Bible what is good and evil. What is wrong with someone sending their children to the Star Wars movies; let’s take their most recent movie, what is wrong with that?

BOB: I’ll give you a good illustration, my wife went into a Christian Bookstore the other day, and it’s really one of these high-tech upscale Christian bookstores, and they got this big flat paneled TV there, and they are constantly showing DVD’s, they are showing Star Wars. My wife went ballistic, I guess a little of me has rubbed off on her, she went to the counter, to the clerk and said why are you showing Star Wars and you know what, clueless, absolutely clueless, here’s the danger, the kids sitting there watching that are going to loose the power of spiritual discernment and then when they are faced later with something like Silva mind control or whatever, they are not going to be discerning enough to know this is dangerous because gradually their spiritual sensitivity has been eroded over time.

SID: Okay, the producer-director of Star Wars, what’s his agenda?

BOB: George Lucas is an avowed Buddhist; he was a disciple of Joseph Campbell, the man who wrote so much about mythology and who is the founder, the philosophical founder of the new age movement in America, he brought Joseph Campbell out to his ranch, sat down with him and had Campbell school him in Buddhism, and so he deliberately projected this into the storyline of the film, you see it over and over and over again.

SID: Does he have an agenda?

BOB: He has an absolute agenda, and his agenda, look, he has made statements such as this: “There is no difference between the virgin birth of Jesus Christ and the myths of pagan gods coming down and having sex with human women to produce offspring, it’s all the same.” And that is blasphemy; this guy is truly out to lunch.

SID: Okay, switch gears, in Los Angeles there is a professional basketball team and the coach, who is one of the most famous coaches of all time, is involved in Zen. And it is kind of an “in” thing to be involved in, what’s wrong with Zen?

BOB: Well I mean Phil Jackson has got issues in his own life, he is not willing to resolve, and what Zen is for him and millions of people is a mindless escapist way of avoiding dealing with your issues and the issues of a fallen suffering world. It is a form of detachment. Now what it does in the sports world, it allows people to become so detached from everything that they can find a calm center and perform better. And from that standpoint it looks good

SID: It’s good; that is good.

BOB: From that standpoint it looks good. But there is a spiritual price because you are adopting a world view that causes you to also become detached from any moral realities that you might be a sinful creature in need of a holy God.

SID: Have you prayed for people that have been involved in something like Zen just to relax, etc, to lower their blood pressure that needed deliverance?

BOB: Oh, many, many times, and here’s what happens. Most meditative disciplines like Zen teach you that the mind is the enemy of the spirit so to release the spirit you have to still, shut down, or as they say, kill the mind. But in killing the mind what you do is that you become completely vulnerable, there are no spiritual defenses, in other words the resistance against evil is a choice of the soul

SID: So you are opening yourself up to the Zen mind?

BOB: Yeah, what you do is you put the choice in neutral, it in not operational anymore, and so any inherent, by God’s grace defenses against demonic forces are just not there, they are shut down.

SID: Have you been involved in deliverance with people that have been involved in things such as Zen?

BOB: Yes, yes I have, many people. I can’t think of a specific instance but I have done a lot of exorcisms of people in Zen and various forms of meditation.

SID: White witchcraft, we know that witchcraft is evil, white witches use their power for good, what’s wrong with that?

BOB: Well the Bible teaches, and you talked about it earlier, Deuteronomy eighteen, that all that comes from the devil is evil, it only masquerades to appear to be good, but in all of these cases the definition of good and evil is not contingent upon an external revelatory source, its all what you decide is good and evil, so it’s the witch who decides if he or she is doing good or evil. And I remember a classic story one time, I was on Larry King debating a witch and the witch kept saying well I only do white magic, and I just kept pushing, then he starts telling this story about you know, getting ticked off at a taxi driver on the way over to the studio and putting a spell on him that he would be in an accident. I said whoa, wait a minute, I thought you only did good magic; he said well that was for the benefit of that guy to wake him up. All right, I think we, history has shown us, Hitler thought he was doing the world a service, he thought he was doing a good thing. Mental maniacs operate from an internal moral compass that is corrupted and witchcraft knows that, and so you can say what you are doing is good for the benefit of the world but it might be a horrible evil.

SID: Okay, go ahead.

BOB: So what you define as a witch, as white for your benefit, might be to somebody else’s detriment, that’s why the Bible teaches us, we leave all judgments in the hands of God and seek only to obey Him.

SID: Okay in your book you have researched so many different religions, cults and occults, one that was to you one of the most amazing in the entire book and there is hundreds of them.

BOB: The forms of Satanism that taps back into ancient Egyptian black magic believe they have power to recreate Satan in our age, this is very diabolical stuff and it is extremely dangerous and more pervasive than people would realize: the actual Luciferism.

SID: But why is this flooding society at this moment more than ever before in history?

BOB: Because (a) the church is playing games, it is not directly willing to confront this stuff. I had a church recently who said they were going to go into a new church growth campaign, their slogan would be, “We serve Starbucks inside.”

SID: Tell you what, I don’t know about you but I believe we are so close to the return of the Messiah, this world is about ready to destruct, and I don’t want anything separating me from God, but how am I going to know truth, Jesus said, My word is truth. You may say your kingdom is within, but in a kingdom you need a king. Who is your king, who is your king? If it is not Jesus it is that other one, the dark side. Read the book, Deuteronomy eighteen lists all the things that Bob Larson is talking about, in the days of Moses people would have been stoned to death, you know what happens today? Spiritual adultery, separation from God forever, and as the song goes, “Forever is a Long Time.” I have walked with Jesus as a Jewish man for over thirty years and I tell you the peace that I have inside of me, the purpose, the destiny, have you ever had the song go off inside of you, there must be something more? There is, intimacy with God, no other name but Jesus gets you to God, that’s God’s way, try it, you’ll like it.